The Syndicate

Well of course you'd want me to change it to your option, but why should I trust you? It's not like the one I voted for is winning anyway.

He hasn't been very subtle and it's been really annoying for people like me that didn't want to overthink the poll.

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:I voted for a random planet tbh

Doubt it. And even if you were voting randomly you wouldn't have voted Alfava Metraxis and then changed.

Please tell me how you know this.
I was faithful to my randomizer. I read four, accidentally voted one, and then changed my vote.

He has info on the poll, and is assuming that everybody else does.

I've been responding to you for over an hour lol. I'm doing other stuff in my phone, so when I switch tabs I remember to check back here.

I'm going to bed anyway. Good day to you.

I'm not sure what you're implying at all. I'm posting right now because I'm in a direct exchange with you? I didn't check the forum for a few minutes earlier, give me a fucking break.

Is there a particular reason why you have set yourself to appear as invisible on the forum? It makes it hard to tell whether I should expect a response at any given time.

I think I'd know if it was not bullshit. You're about the fifth person to pull an "Enri is clearly bad" out of his ass in this game so far and it keeps being bullshit. Whatever you think you have, fine, what choice do I have but to wait. I don't understand how an explanation of why you've already pointed the finger is reckless, but fine, you play on your terms. Because who the hell needs clarity. I'm not bad and I really don't fucking plan to go down tomorrow.

These senseless accusations get less and less fun every time. Four total Mafia days since I came back from retirement and they never stop. I look forward to whatever you have to say because it's bullshit anyway. And I don't get why you feel the need to explain until the end of the night when you've already pointed the finger at me? Where were you when juliets was being lynched in my place? What really do you think you're doing?

My post explains why I think the way I do... we have a big list of civvies, a big list of Daleks, and a big list of Cybermen (and an indie role). There are 3 more players than there are roles, so we know there's some roles missing. It's just my interpretation, which I'm not trying to force on anyone, that the remaining roles are probably their own faction and not in any of the existing ones. Think about it. Why have "Dalek #1" and "Dalek #2" with secret powers instead of just naming one of then "Davros?"

Now what the hell are you smoking? I was away for a few minutes reading about the Time Lords, and tbh I really should be sleeping considering it's 5am and I have plans for noon. But Jesus Christ the reactions I get sometimes..

Wait, what?

Dom, I'm afraid I don't really understand you right now. What's so terrible about Made missing your clarification? What about it makes him worthy of your eye?

zeek, I personally appreciate these contributions. I actually spent a bit reading the Doctor Who wiki today, and for the first time in my life considered watching the show Those last few possible roles you mention, what do you think they could be?

tbh I feel like the secret roles would be indies or maybe another baddie team, as opposed to civs and hidden Daleks/Cybermen. Plenty of roles in the list already have *secret* powers, what would be the point of adding more secrets to those teams?

... what?

I'm not giving this too much thought. As far as I know there were no effects to the Day 0 poll, and I know we're fans of placeholder polls around here. Out of the 4, one sounded like a terrible option and there was no detail on the other 2. I voted and realized people were big fans of the second option. Whatever, I don't even watch the show.

Oh apparently Alzarius is the consensus then... the third one sounded cool to me.

For the lazy, these are our options:

Alfava Metraxis

Alfava Metraxis (aka. Alfalfa Metraxis) is a planet in the Dundra System, once home to the extinct Aplans, and colonised by humans sometime in the 51st century. It is home to more than one "Maze of the dead", mass tombs where the dead are supposedly buried in the walls and represented with statues. However, all of the statues are revealed to be Weeping Angels. The Doctor, Amy and River Song landed on this planet in The Time of Angels after following the path of the spaceship, Byzantium. Alfalfa Metraxis is the 7th planet in the Dundra System and has 11 hour days.

Weeping Angels aren't good, right? I only know the name from the Doctor Who theme in BGO

Alzarius

Alzarius is Adric's homeworld, located in E-Space. It appeared in the serial Full Circle. Its galactic coordinates are identical to those of Gallifrey—except they were negative.[1] Alzarius is covered in lush, dense forests and marshlands. Every 50 years, the planet is dragged further away from its sun by a larger planet, causing a phenomenon known as "Mistfall".

Aldric isn't a role in this game, so no clue.

Arkheon

Arkheon, also known as the Planet of Ghosts, is a planet located near the Crab Nebula, just past the Pleiades, left at the Blue Star Worlds. Temporal echoes resembling ghosts roamed the surface due to a temporal fissure in the planet's core. The world was virtually destroyed by the Daleks, but the remains were visited in Prisoner of the Daleks.

Sounds spooky, except not really if they're not actually ghosts. Reminds me of the opening scene of Guardians of the Galaxy. Are we gonna find any orbs in here?

Azure

Azure is a blue planet seen from the ships in the Fourth Doctor story Nightmare of Eden.

Well OK that's specific.

S~V~S wrote:So now that you know they were not trying to save juliets, what do you make of those people who voted you, Enrique?

That they're misguided

Nikki doesn't seem to be following very well and probably just voted for me because I'm a familiar name.
Juliets was trying to save herself.
Bass came in late and decided he'd vote for me over juliets. He wasn't trying to defend her, so fair enough, I just "pinged him harder."

Dom and Blooper were just wrong I guess Blooper was still catching up by the time she voted for me, and Dom did so way before the juliets thing even started. So, yeah, I don't know. Worth keeping in mind maybe that I had a couple additional votes (Epig and Nikki) before this, so it may have looked like I was getting lynched.

linki @Dana - Made isn't exactly the easiest player to read lol, but I'll keep that in mind Only time we played together I was right about him, though. I'll look into his posts, but nothing has really jumped out at me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Honestly, if 15 out of 31 players missed the D1 vote and I was hosting, I'd be half tempted to just modkill them all. That's insane.

DF and MR both for themselves, Roxy randomized, a few drive-bys. Yeah not a great round for votes.

As far as I can tell the following players didn't vote:

BR
Boogs
splints
Gotrees
Hedge
keys
LC
Made
MM
rey
Snow Dog

So that's 11, not 15. MM and Hedge just hardly missed it, Gotrees hasn't been around at all, can't remember seeing rey either? Splints and Keys at least we know are busy. Surprised Made didn't vote, really, he's been talking a fair bit.

linki: RIP juliets. Honestly thought we'd get a Day 1 baddie this time.

It's not just about wording. You flip flopped around me a lot, according to the popular reaction. Sorry juliets but that comes across really bad

I'm just saying, I could've still gotten lynched. Dana makes it sound like there was no resistance to a juliets lynch at all, which isn't true. I find Blooper's post/vote the most interesting because it came just around the time juliets was taking the spotlight.

Well, not anymore... but you get me. Lots of non-voters this round.

Does Gotrees know we started? I saw he was on IRC earlier but he hasn't posted here yet.

Dana if her whole team came out right now and got me killed it wouldn't exactly look very good for them But this is still far from a landslide, and it could very easily be switched around.

@Dana

nijuukyugou wrote:I've got to drive and celebrate my brother's bday and I don't know when I'll be back (likely after the voting for both games I'm playing), so thoughts and my vote:

1) Still don't see MP as bad. Don't really know why people are voting for him. I've read the thread (or at least most of it in the last hour, since I was stupid enough to leave myself 7+ pages to read) and saw a baddie-hunting MP. Plus, one's gotta feel bad for a guy who can't stay alive past the first day in sooooo many games :P

2) In my catching up, the "supatown" comment by Enrique (giving zeek the suspicious eye for using the term) really honestly pinged me, before I even saw what others said about it. I don't read his defense of the comment as genuine, either - he gave zeek the eye and called him suspicious, then backed off and tried to say "no, I wasn't witch hunting" and "why would I push a lynch for a random civilian?" If you weren't pushing towards a lynch or trying to garner suspicion, and you weren't witch hunting/weeding out suspicion, then what exactly were you trying to accomplish through that comment? Your explanations change with whomever is asking, and it's not consistent. This is the most suspicious thing to me so far.

I see other suspicions of other people popping up, but I really don't have time right now to look at that, as I've spent the last hour and a half piecing the above suspicion together from the last 7 damned pages to read (my fault, no one else's, I know). I gotta look at my other game really quick and then get on the road, so going ahead and voting Enrique.

Not to mention, not everyone can be around at the same time. If there truly was no resistance for a juliets lynch I don't think I'd have 5 votes.

Or, never mind, actually. Need to re-read the roles. I forgot the number of roles that start without a power.

That sounds like a pretty specific role claim to me...

I don't think I buy it. But it's pretty ballsy when whoever actually has that role could be out there. Then again, you could just tell us "that's not what you meant."

Oh, yeah. *votes juliets*

And while I agree that Epig can be pretty stubborn/aggressive (I know for most of the day he had placed his vote on a civ and encouraged the rest of the thread to follow), I knew you were my #1 candidate the moment I read your post in the Monty Python thread before catching up here. Reading the rest of the thread only solidified my stance. This is not on him, it's on you.

But hey, I still have the votes on me for your teammates to come in and save the day if the poll is tight enough! Am I right, Blooper?

Made, for the record, I wasn't lynched in Monty Python.

I read juliets' post on me a good 20 mins ago before I started catching up, and I feel pretty comfortable throwing my vote there. "What does it mean to be opportunistic?" you ask? OK, to me, you were extremely opportunistic to see nothing in me until I started getting the votes. Random drive-by from Nikki who has never made a post about me, Dom voting because he "suspects me" yet offering little to no reason. So what you do is you hop into the one standing vote for me that had any kind of thought out reasoning behind it, since it doesn't look like anybody else is getting lynched. But then you're called out on it, and nope, you weren't actually compelled to vote for me! This is serious, jules, my life is at stake!

I think I may have to retract my statement about not voting for zeek, enrique or mp. I am piecing together Epigs suspicion of Enrique and it holds more water than I thought. Epi you could make this easier by just listing the reasons you voted for him. Just a few key words even.

Bolded part is key here. You're definitely saying you're considering a vote for me. What's even better here, is that the post that first made Epig vote for me directly acknowledges him, and then I directly respond to both of you here. I think it'd be good form to at least acknowledge my response, no?

Epig seems to be really good at picking out baddies except when it comes to you, right? tbf I came into the thread thinking I'd probably have to vote for him with the deadline so close and nothing solid, but now I think he got you here.

@Blooper - I don't really have much to add to what I've said before. I've said all I've had to say about the zeek situation. I was never gunning after him, I made literally one post on him before deciding it was nothing, I've explained all of this before.

hey nikki what the fuck

@Alex: Still a full 24 hours (I think?) until the poll closes. We'll be here, take your time.

Honestly, I don't think MP is bad here. I've played very little Mafia recently, so I still need to get used to people's playstyles again, but this isn't too different to the MP I've seen in any other games since I came back. His posts read of genuine frustration, and yeah, I don't agree with the tactic of using zeek as a scapegoat... he's obviously very frustrated with the reception he got. I have no reason to think he's good either, but, I wouldn't agree with an MP lynch today.

Epig on the other hand? Oh yeah. Maybe it's just that our styles don't mesh; last game I thought he was bad (which he kinda was?) and as far as I remember he also thought I was bad (which was only the case part of the time). That was a very quick vote for me for very little reason. Two votes within the first 5 minutes of the day, honestly I was scared of the bandwagon forming but that seems to have calmed down.

Let's look at the post that made him vote for me, since juliets also wanted to acknowledge it.

You know, I'm usually on SVS's side whenever she has the argument with Epig, but I really would've liked to see zeek's response here

The "usually" is there, juliets, because this has happened in both games since I came back (or at least happened in Monty Python and was brought up in this one). Epig insists that the only reason he ever took that position was because he was a baddie/sk and "couldn't give a tinkle" who got killed. OK, either way, that is not what I was doing, and I even acknowledged Epig in my original post. I wanted zeek to answer because it was possible he didn't have an answer prepared. MP came in and made sense, so I accepted it and dropped it. I never tried to make a big deal out of it.

Accusing me of lying about my personal life is also a little out there. I think I understand from a game perspective, but come on man

On a separate note, the way TH jumped in at first offering very little but a stance on MP was weird. Since then he has made some valid points, and honestly I don't blame him for his position. I don't think MP is bad myself, but TH's viewpoint is valid.

@linki: Assuming you mean "Enri" and not "Epig." He's looking at me since I've taken such a spotlight, making an opinion, and leaning civ. I don't have any problem with what he said. (I made another of my little probably inconsequential observations, though, just not sure it's worth sharing after the reaction last time )

I did give my opinion on the back and forth, though, Alex? You even linked the post. I said that I didn't think there was anything to it. That definitely happened.

I don't necessarily think you're bad (meaning I'm not leaning either way). Yeah, actually, bad habit of having to point out questionable behavior every time. This isn't too different from the Made/llama situation in Monty Python (where yes I flipped "recruited baddie," but the majority of discussion was on Day 1. In any case, Made wasn't my teammate like llama insisted). Few things llama said jumped at me, I felt the need to point them out, and we engaged on pointless back and forths where I had to explain that I wasn't pointing the finger at him as much as wondering if he could be bad. I really don't want to get into the same thing here.

Point wasn't trying to guilt anyone away. I'm really having a shit day, as anyone on my IRC channel can attest Point was that I'd need a break from the game for a bit. I don't even know if I was gone for 10 minutes. I, too, am an addict. Sorry. It's really hard to stay away, especially when I feel like I need to say something.

MP, not making any accusations, but you know what seemed really forced and over the top for me? Oh but then no one bought it, so I guess it was a ruse all along!

@Epig: ... no comment. You clearly know my life so well

Dana's explanation is spot on how I feel tbh. thx Dana, you're the best person.

I really really don't think I'm the kind of player to randomly pick on anyone on day 1, and I wasn't trying to. Give me some credit, guys, what would I be trying to accomplish? Call WIFOM or game-tell or whatever, there's only one other game that I've played in recent memory, but I'm not that risky of a player to try to get anyone killed without a solid reason. Why exactly would I push for the lynch of a random (as far as I'm concerned) civilian? So that I could do it maybe one more time as MP proposes and then get lynched myself? I'm not stupid either. I didn't have an agenda questioning zerk; rather I noticed something, asked him about it, got an explanation and immediately dropped it.

Dana is completely right about the other post calling him "suspicious." I used the same word Dom did, only explaining what my thought process had been. I wasn't trying to imply that I was leaning one way or another re: zeek.

@linki- I posted twice, yeah. First time when I noticed, second after doing a forum-wide search of "Supatown" to confirm zeek hadn't used it before.

Fwiw I pretty much agree with Dana that the game just started. IMO there wasn't as much worthwhile/serious discussion on Day 0 as you'd make it seem, but yeah, perspective.

*the reason I brought it up in the first place*

Sorry I'm not the kind to pussy out of mafia but I'm literally having the shittest day. Think I'm out for the night. I'm innocent and answering honestly and all that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:BAH! EBWOP: I meant to say... "So you don't really think it was suspicious, but that's NOT what you said here:"

s/suspicious/noteworthy. At that point I'd already accepted your explanation.

Not really, to be honest (to both of your questions). I am comparing the situations because, yeah you acknowledge this, one was a much heavier argument to lead a lynch. Asking zeek about his possible BTSC is exactly the kind of question I ask in every game.

Sorry I'm having a dorm meeting rn I'll be back to respond in a bit.

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=445&p=84883#p84883 Here's what shot Enri up to my radar, truly, the weird Supatown thing. zeek said "Supatown" and then Enri's all like WOAH GOT TO BE A SLIP, RIGHT?

Was I really reaching harder than your response to his vote explanation? Again, not leading a witch hunt here. I ask about things as I see them. Not too different to the potential Dana bandwagon I proposed. These are observations, not cases.

I'm not too bothered, really, I'm perfectly fine with everything I've said.

Yeah? That's what I'm referring to in the post you quoted. I didn't think there was an obvious explanation and legitimately wanted to know how zeek answered. But then MP did it for him, and it made enough sense to satisfy me. I wasn't witch hunting someone for the sake of it, I was asking a question and expecting an answer.

I like my observation better than yours.

I asked him directly because I was actually looking for an answer, as it happens. He could've easily answered the same way you did for him and I would've been satisfied. I think I made a valid observation, but I wasn't exactly gunning after him.

Anything specific you'd like me to address?

Llama isn't playing so I think it's safe to say he wasn't outing his partner

No. It's suspicious that he used it without any indication that he was around when it was used.

Eh, it's valid. I wanted to hear whether he had been in the previous games, because if not, that would be something to take note of.

You know, I'm usually on SVS's side whenever she has the argument with Epig, but I really would've liked to see zeek's response here

I'll take it, though. That'd be a really weird thing to slip on.

Yeah, for real... only uses of "supatown" outside of this thread are in the past two Speed Games. What's up with that, zeek?

"Supatown" has been used twice in this thread... once by Made, as a standard LD statement, and then zeek using it "in llama's words." Zeek, this is your first game here, right? Not even a Side Mission before? Caught on quickly to the lingo. Is this something you learnt from your BTSC partners?

keys56000000000 wrote:Mafia on STV wasn't fun, at all. Lol. *shudders*

Oh god I hated those "HURR 100% CIVVIE DEERRP!" roll call days. I remember once I wrote "100% mafia" just to break the monotony. I figured it would work the same, the LD would check it and it'd come up false, so no harm done, but the rest of the players didn't see things that way, and I was promptly lynched.

Starting to remember why I stopped playing this game in the first place! Ha!

Anyway, looking forward to Day 1.

Hahaha, that wasn't at STV, tho. That was Lostpedia! I remember because it was one of my first games. That's kinda hilarious, tho.

Not big on LD either, but it's in the game and we've gotta accept that The role would probably work better as a secret role, otherwise I'm not sure there's a way to avoid people making overt statements just for the sake of being LD'd. But oh well. In the end it still works in our benefit.

Right. Nobody said MP was bad.

juliets wrote:This is not going to be a favorable opinion but I see the whole thing as much to do about nothing. I don't think Dr. Who was left out of the regeneration conversation for a nefarious reason and I don't think MP has found a baddie behavior. Maybe part of my feeling is I know all too well how easy it is to say something that is taken wrong and be seen as a baddie because of it.

Completely agreed.

Nikki, what do you make of this whole zeek/MP exchange? Of Dana's reaction, mine, keys', etc.?

So cool to be playing with you btw.