The Syndicate

What if Scotty was the Penguin it would explain why he votes for low posters that are never gonna show up.

This is a silly exercise.

linki- "there's no evidence" there we go

How does the evidence point more at him than you?

juliets wrote:Enrique, who are you looking at for a vote?

sig is still my number one suspect but I haven't had time to put together something solid for the thread. I know EoD is approaching, I'm just swarmed with other stuff right now and it's hard to make time to actually get on my computer and analyze shit. I have some smaller stuff that I've posted but it's not getting much attention. juliets can you read the post I did make on him last night? Do you agree with his quoted interpretations?

MP is also likely bad but I think he can wait (especially if he's poisoned

)

I don't see the case on Mac at all to be honest. I read TH's post making all these connections but they just looked like normal posts to me.

I don't think Typhoony is the Penguin, but I don't really have any reason to think he's a civ either. I'm interested in how this develops but I don't think he should be lynched today.

no wait doesnt matter nvm

@Hosts: Can Mr. Freeze double target?

@Hosts: If a Mafia team is killed off, does the other start killing every night?

sig wrote:Quick little theory maybe poisoned players are forced to do something or they will die. This could explain Matt's knock knock joke thing yesterday.

Scotty wrote:Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

yeahh and then i went back on that too its a mess tbh im over it

I think he might want us to name Shakespeare's entire body of work.

tbh i kinda hope at endgame we find out hes just being a goofball

excuse me

man our brains work very differently i do not get that impression at all

sig wrote:I'm not twisting his every word, that is what I took from it. The first three posts you quoted I took the first and third to be joking, and he never answered me on the second. That post was also not a lie. He said he was close minded at the time and rushed into it to quickly I took that to mean he thought he was wrong since he did rush into it to quickly and wouldn't have voted on me then.

The second post doesn't matter because he didn't answer you on it?

I don't see anything to indicate he thought he was "wrong," especially when in that very same post he says he doesn't regret it!

That isn't a lie he didn't suspect me last night imo. More so didn't you say you thought his reasoning for voting me was bad anyway?

Yes, and that's completely besides the point. I'm not trying to validate his points, I'm saying there was no 180 at all here.

To address your last point I'm not trying to make him look more irrational or irrational at all I was proving that he had changed his mind over the course of the day/night and that this latest thing was forced.

You don't need to tell us it's forced. But you also shouldn't try to convince us he saw you positively before that or that he ever changed his mind.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:Just popping in to vote and all that good stuff I'll be going to Arkham Asylum.

I like Macs case on Zebra and I'd also like to point out how much more Zebra tried to stop people from lynching nero over me, and pushed my lynch over Nero. I didn't think much of this when I thought Nero would flip third party, however seeing that he flipped mafia I think this looks bad for Zebra.

People where asking about two new players on a team, keep in mind if one of the new players got recruited as a cop that could happen. So if there is a second newbie on the team I'd say they are a flipped cop. This wouldn't be the case right know since tonight the other cop will get recruited, which is something to be on the lookout for.

linki: Don't worry MP since you aren't planning to lynch me I don't think your mafia

Though on a serious note right know I'd rather lynch Zebra then MP I see a bigger connection there and I trust Golden who still thinks MP is townie so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Who said I wasn't planning to lynch you? Lol.

Anyway, I really ought to go, so idk when I'll be back, maybe tomorrow evening if not sooner. I'll try to contribute whatever I can, but I just feel so out of my element I feel like I really have practically nothing of value to contribute.

At least I finally understand now how other people feel when I've spammed the thread game after game with useless content.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.
We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.
I think our votes look fine actually, and I'm still going to be voting for sig tomorrow if no one better comes up. Mac's teammate connection of me and Nero had little to do with my vote and more to do with how waffly we were with each other.
That's a good point.

In fact, if sig was Nero's teammate, that would make a lot of his comments yesterday sensible.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.
What about sig?
He'll somehow get away until d6, then he'll die.

All of these Night 2, the last one just before the Day began. This is what you said.

sig wrote:First post addressing the Wilgy thing, and no longer thinking this makes me mafia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, I also wanted to say I apologize if I got too heated when I voted for you yesterday; I was getting increasingly frustrated and knew I'd probably have little time before EoD, and I was very pinged by you in the moment, so I voted for you. I don't regret my vote, but I didn't really have any solid baddie read on anyone else.
Second this one is slightly different here he says he thinks Nero is mafia and not me as an attempt to save nero wouldn't result in lynching me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Based on the momentum of the thread, I don't think someone who wanted to save Nero was going to vote for sig. I think Matt was a much more likely scapegoat, at least until you changed your mind, Enrique. That might have got Nero's teammates panicking, so I'd say they'd be more likely to bus after you did a 180 and kept harping on it.

It's hard to speculate though; it depends on the person. Looking at interactions between Nero and every player would be more illuminating, I think.
Important part is underlined said he didn't have an open mind about my lynch and just got caught up in the moment. So he basically admitted to being wrong and not having an open mind yet this is his reason for lynching me again. HE HAS ANTI TOWN SENTIMENT IF HE IS REALLY TRYING TO LYNCH ME THIS WILL HURT THE TOWN.

It is so important I'll bold underline and caps it. :P
MovingPictures07 wrote:
juliets wrote:Yippee! We caught a mafia. Good work Matt. Nero, you are a delightful individual and I hope you will play with us some more. Don't let this discourage you.

Thanks to the hosts for cutting some hours out of the night to get us back to a more reasonable hour for the posts!

linki MP, how are people being closed minded?
People are inevitably being closed-minded this game for multiple reasons: (1) due to the setup, in which roughly half of the players have potentially no reason to conventionally baddie hunt; (2) due to the ridiculously high volume of posting, with the actual content of which mostly comprising strenuous back and forths; and (3) players who do not have adequate time to do anything more than intently read and analyze the thread will inevitably make uninformed decisions, and in a game of this magnitude, thus will never be able to properly consider even half of the living players with proper weight of suspicion.

Regarding (3), one that does not have sufficient time cannot properly examine 29 other players, especially in this game due to (2). That means that certain players will be subjected to the microscope more than other players; it's often an inevitable side effect of games this large, as opposed to Heists where it's very difficult to stay out of the spotlight if the town is actively playing the game. Conversely, it also means that town cannot properly evaluate everyone without pouring ridiculous amounts of effort into trying to spend equal time analyzing every player and it just cannot happen for most people playing this game. Therefore, take Dom for example, he can't stop mentioning my name. Ever since I made one post way back on Day 0 (was it? or was it technically Day 1 by that point?) with my first gut read of the game: him. I added a joke after it saying I can't read him so that it means everyone should lynch him instead. It was a joke. Since then, he pressed me and asked the thread multiple times to talk about how I was "setting him up" or "hedging". He won't even listen to my explanations because he's already made up his mind that I was hedging, even though it's absurd that anyone would later use "I'm never wrong about so and so" clearly stated in joke format as a reason to legitimately change one's mind about that player. Dom is far from the only player who is unwilling to actually listen to the player they are suspecting. Hell, even I did it with sig; I got too caught up in the moment and wasn't giving him the chance. Townies should always stay skeptical, yes, but they need to try to actually connect with and understand where the person they're suspecting is coming from, and should always be open to changing their mind. I consistently get the impression that the majority of players in this game aren't willing to do that. That's fine. It's not easy to do, especially when the game's setup has so many potentially anti-town roles in it.

But that's why I feel this way.

What is this post?

You quote him saying he was too aggressive, but that he doesn't regret voting for you. For some reason you describe it as "saying the Wilgy thing no longer makes you mafia."
You quote him as saying Nero is Mafia (which he was), and you turn it into "he thinks Nero is Mafia and not me."
You quote him saying he tunnelled you more or less, but to you "he basically admitted to being wrong."

I don't think anyone reading the posts that you quoted would come to the conclusions you did. You're twisting his every word to your favor to make him look more irrational than he already is being (like that was necessary).

sig wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So I'll vote for sig then?
MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

This is a lie.

... sig you're completely reinterpreting MP's night 2 positions. i'mma get this straigjt just gimme a sec

sig wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So I'll vote for sig then?
MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

Not saying he's not cursed, but I'm not exactly seeing that in his ISO.

He can say he got a message to go to Arkham but not say when? What kind of assumption is that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Enrique wrote:Did you do something wrong yesterday MP?
What do you mean?

sig is my number one suspect.

When did you get the message?

Did you do something wrong yesterday MP?

MP are you still poisoned?

Well

unless he's lying, debunked lol. But it still doesn't quite add up.

I'm sorry, I'll be free at like 8-9 to make the sig post I promised this morning. I have a bunch of places to go and stuff to solve right now.

sig wrote:Quick little theory maybe poisoned players are forced to do something or they will die. This could explain Matt's knock knock joke thing yesterday.

or maybe that's what they want you to think

*X-Files theme music*

dammit i did say that

I'm leaving school right now and I have a doctors appointment from 7-8, but I'll see if I can whip up something real quick as soon as I'm home.

Nah, it's about Poison Ivy. Something doesn't add up today.

There is something I'm not allowed to say (and I don't really mind anyway it's pretty lame) but this part of it is just speculation. Are you guys itching for another of my conspiracy theories?

I have a theory but I'm kinda waiting on someone to confirm it

sprityo wrote:yknow, it just popped into my mind. why hasnt poison ivy been poisoning?

or for that matter, if she has, what's the time on how long it takes to kill someone?

a couple days? should we expect to see someone randomly drop dead tomorrow morning alongside the nightkill?

i mean that and the penguin, no one has really talked about him. unless i mean, he is still "blackmailing them"

be back later for more

This is a very important question to be asking today.

There was a discussion about it. In my original post I said my picks would be MP and Zebra (I think, maybe sabie) but left it to his judgement. Other names that were brought up were me, TH, sig and DH (correct me if I'm missing some).

Zebra is dead and later pretty much came out as an inmate. so I feel safe crossing her off. It wasn't me, and I see practically no chance of it being either TH or DH.

That leaves us with MP, sabie and sig as the most probable supects.

sig wrote:
Enrique wrote:MP for how long has sig been your number one supect?
I'm guessing since the beginning of the day when someone hungered/forced it tell me was this your doing Enrique?

It was not my doing. I agree this is some behind the scenes thing, but I want MP to answer me anyway.

MP for how long has sig been your number one supect?

ebwop: kill not killed, lol

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am not sure I understand the R'as thing. I was hoping to have it explained like I was in Kindergarten. I just read/skimmed most of the 200+ posts since the night post, and I am none the wiser.

Some of the names and reasons for potential Nero teammates are confusing to me. Sometimes things really ARE what they seem, so not sure why everything has to be bussing all the time. Sometimes you suspect someone, AREN'T their teammate and you vote for them and try to get them lynched. This still happens, right?

And is MP doing this on his own, or was he Penguined or what?
Zebra kept asking to be lynched
Zebra claimed she was inmate, but 'pro-town the entire time'.
Ra's just fits with her behaviour. It's a hunch, really.

I was thinking Catwoman. "Town-aligned" and all.

Bullz there's a specific reason I asked such a broad question and your response sits fine with me. I think Mr. Freeze blocked the killed because I publicly asked him to block Nero's suspected teammates and voilà, no kill last night.

I don't think Mac is Nero's teammate tbh. He acted hypocritically re: TH / eagerness to call oneself civ, but I don't think it's such a big deal and I'm not sold any of those interactions with Nero were less than normal.

MP is bullshitting, but I agree with him. sig is my number one suspect. More on this after I get out of class and ISOs aren't a pain.

TH do you want to be my friend? (again)

I think I remember Glorf showing up, though. Are we sure the mods didn't accidentally delete something?

You're talking about last night's events in the post he quotes, the post is there but not the response..

Dom wrote:I think this was a good night!
Glorfindel wrote:
sig wrote:Lol Gordon's message is great. I'm glad Harvey got Zebra, but know we don't know who she is.

No mafia night kill though?

Hosts can a blocker block the mafias nightkill?
The Riddler?
This was my thought after reading the night post as well.

Also, I still can't believe Alex wants to be replaced despite having more than 200 plus posts in the thread.

Wait

when did Glorfindel say this?

Golden I'm saying this sincerely and in the least confrontational way possible. I think the idea that I bussed Nero is complete nonsense. On Day 2 of the game, as part of a three man team, I'm leading the lynch on a different player, and I just decide to turn back, put my ass on the line and lynch my teammate instead? That would leave two of my team for Day 3. Oh, and I also came up with a plan to block my team's kill that night and potentially get myself or my teammate caught that way. I'd need to be pretty fucking confident that the two of us left wouldn't die for the rest of the game (it's still Day 3) to win. Not killed by the town, by the ninja role, by the potential serial killer, by the poisoner, by a secret role. In a 31 player game, I would be destroying my team before practically anybody else even died. All of that easily avoided if I simply lynched the maybe civvie maybe not civvie on Day 2 like I could have, given he had just received three consecutive votes by the time I changed my mind.

You're free to suspect me, but I think linking me to Nero is going a little overboard with the open-mindedness. That scenario simply didn't happen.

Do you think I should've kept pushing for Matt, Golden?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Enrique wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Could you explain why I am in the color I am in?
Probably paranoia, but the case on you being Master Nero Teammate is somehow compelling.

I'm glad you enjoy my humor.

sig is the only suspect I need... because he's number one!

I agree.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Could you explain why I am in the color I am in?
Probably paranoia, but the case on you being Master Nero Teammate is somehow compelling.

oh wait you voted for him yesterday nvm i remember

MacDougall wrote:
Enrique wrote:Mac what do you think of Bullzeye?
Thanks for reminding me that I still think he's bad.

Sorry if I don't remember, but how long have you felt like that?

Mac what do you think of Bullzeye?

I want to hear Turnip Head's thoughts on MP today (and also on sig).

DharmaHelper wrote:
Enrique wrote:
sig wrote:So lets see
1. Player is forced to vote for me (MP)
2. One player who voted for me tried to save Nero and was killed by the vigi (Zebra)
3. The third is Enrique who is tunneling and could be mafia.

linki: So maybe there is but why are you SO sure Freeze didn't target you last night also?
He could have but I doubt it very much. I doubt there's more than a couple of people in the game that would've done that out of the options available.

And even if he froze me that's not what stopped the kill, so.

linki- DH just look at me right now

That's an unsettling look.

sig wrote:If Enrique is mafia he isn't on Nero's team though I don't think he is mafia.

Took you half an hour to forget.

sig wrote:So lets see
1. Player is forced to vote for me (MP)
2. One player who voted for me tried to save Nero and was killed by the vigi (Zebra)
3. The third is Enrique who is tunneling and could be mafia.

linki: So maybe there is but why are you SO sure Freeze didn't target you last night also?

He could have but I doubt it very much. I doubt there's more than a couple of people in the game that would've done that out of the options available.

And even if he froze me that's not what stopped the kill, so.

linki- DH just look at me right now

sig wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm sure Enrique is about to bless us with a huge "sig is bad" post that he may or may not go back on two and a half hours before EoD
He is my number one suspect, but I'm considering an MP vote as well. I think the Mr. Freeze plan caught him red handed.
Why should we assume MP, and not you or zebra, was the target of Mr Freeze?
It wasn't me because the idea of me being teammates with Nero is still as ridiculous and unfounded as it was when Matt first brought it up... no wait, even more. I did also come up with the plan for Mr. Freeze to do this in the first place.
So?

You've argued these same points for me, sig. I think there's a very clear so to those points.

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm sure Enrique is about to bless us with a huge "sig is bad" post that he may or may not go back on two and a half hours before EoD
He is my number one suspect, but I'm considering an MP vote as well. I think the Mr. Freeze plan caught him red handed.
Why should we assume MP, and not you or zebra, was the target of Mr Freeze?

It wasn't me because the idea of me being teammates with Nero is still as ridiculous and unfounded as it was when Matt first brought it up... no wait, even more. I did also come up with the plan for Mr. Freeze to do this in the first place.

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