The Syndicate

sabie, Made survived that lynch because SD got more votes than him, not any sort of secret power. I still don't get why you stopped voting for him though?

@TH: On that last point, to be fair, I have no idea what MM was doing and I questioned him on it too. He thought SD was likelier to be bad, but still wanted himself and Alex to vote for Made together instead of causing a tie. I don't know what he could've been trying to accomplish but I think it's fair to at least question him on it.

I also forgot that MP had voted for SD before, then switched it a couple times (or at least I'm assuming that happened? I remember his final vote being in the final minutes, he's too calm in the post you quoted). The Polls thread doesn't keep track of vote switches so it can be really hard to follow.

As per the night post:

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Remember, all civvies start today with a +1 vote.

I'm taking Epig and BR's votes for granted, though, so you could even say I started with +3

linki @ bwt- E

Also, yeah, Made never survived an NK. You must be thinking of either MP or Eloh

It being a close tie is precisely why it matters! I started the lynch with +1 vote, so I'm currently sitting at 8. If Made is bad, he's sitting at 6 and needs you to change your vote to tie us up.

Why me, though? You've been voting for Made all game, so I would've assumed you wanted him lynched more than me. Today your vote is especially important, don't let me die.

OK hold up MP, I was just looking at the poll instead of trying to remember what actually happened. You weren't just the fourth, you voted at the last possible second. SD had 3 votes to Made's 5 when you, Dana and MM all voted at the very last moment.

Do you think I had any idea that would happen when I voted for SD?

sabie do you wanna change your vote since it's so close between me and your game-long prime suspect Made?

Well that's hella convenient you weren't trying to save Made but I was I was the second vote, you were the fourth. Made had five votes. Did you really see a save coming?

sabie has voted for Made twice in a row but still chose me over him today because she's suspected me for a while. That's fantastic.

Internet just shit out on me and took my original response. Sorry.

zeek, the previous post was directed at Alex, not you.

And Alex, the post I just lost went something along the lines of: I could name plenty of pairs in this game more closely associated than that. There's you and Epig, Epig and Elo, me and Dana, Dana and Gotrees, keys and splints, keys and Chris. In the end I guess it just comes down to knowing that person better. I wasn't convinced by any of of the previous arguments against him, in fact, SVS' today is probably the best summation of the case that I've seen. I stand by every point I've made regarding Made before, but I know I'm not bad while he still could be.

I also insist that there was no Snow Dog save, and I think even you will agree with this. But I suppose it looks nice in a list.

linki- sabie didn't you vote for Made yesterday? ...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, that does make more sense, since Enrique and Made are inevitably linked anyway.

How did this idea even gain so much steam? Someone enlighten me please.

linki- and now you're just contradicting that and expecting one of us to turn civ. Cool.

Voted Made since that seems to be the only shot I have at surviving. Again, I'm the only player I can be 100% sure of, so I hope you guys are right and he's bad (in which case he needs 4 more votes... I'm totally fucked, ain't I?). I never thought there was much to Dom's case on him which I admittedly skimmed through a lot, but the chance is still there that he's bad so I'm taking it.

I stand by my point that that's a terrible strategy and I especially don't think I would've been under any pressure to do that.

There's a lot of potential survival in this game. What is it, 6 attempted kills so far and 3 of them have failed? I don't even know what saved me, but I expect people to keep surviving after I'm dead and you won't be able to go after all of them. Would you be voting for me without this, zeek?

zeek wrote:

Enrique wrote:Can I ask for your own thoughts on the SD lynch? Do you honestly think he got 6 votes because there was a save going on? Might be something to MM, but I really don't think any of the other voters were trying to save anyone. There would've been much easier ways to go around that, what with all the vote spread, I'm pretty sure.

I'm voting cocaine you because you machinal obligor why you survived. harelipped think cocaine the Master.

Well, the post you quoted me on was explaining the SD lynch, so I figured I'd ask.

I don't know how I survived. Whatever it is has nothing to do with my role. Sorry if it doesn't seem like a very good answer but that's all I know

What does that last line say? It's not "I think you're The Master," is it? Because you might wanna check who tried to kill me then

zeek wrote:

Enrique wrote:

zeek wrote:

Enrique wrote:Plus, I think at least MP, Dana and zeek are civvie.

Setting up a few more civvie lynches when you Dusty Spoon bad King of Hearts see.

I'm sorry are these not opinions I've maintained through the whole game? Have I not been seeing eye to eye with each of you for days now?

I'm gonna flip civvie, so you have nothing to worry about anyway.

Beside the point, MP is the only one getting votes. No need in grouping the four of us witworm.

Can I ask for your own thoughts on the SD lynch? Do you honestly think he got 6 votes because there was a save going on? Might be something to MM, but I really don't think any of the other voters were trying to save anyone. There would've been much easier ways to go around that, what with all the vote spread, I'm pretty sure.

juliets wrote:Enrique, what did you mean when you said:

You... do realize I haven't had a choice, right? I can't even handle this argument.

What do you mean by "you realize I've had no choice"?

I can't keep voting for the same person because everyone I've voted for has been lynched.

keys56000000000 wrote:I'm up for an Enriqye lynch, why not. When I was going after MP, Enri defended him pretty heavily, and I remain unconvinced that it was one civ looking out for another. If he flips mafioso, you all should look at MP with me.

You're doing it again. Dana looked bad so you wanted to vote MP, now MP looks bad so you want to vote for me. Stick to your guns and don't let the votes for me keep piling up please

Spoiler: I don't wanna die.

juliets wrote:I have not re-read Enrique yet but I agree Epi had some good points about him. Of course, Epi had some "good" points about juliets 1.0 too and he was wrong so I really want to look at Enrique's posts before I buy in. Some people have cited his survival as evidence of him being a baddie but we have characters who can survive who are civ. I'm not seeing anything bad about LC yet, though I may have a blind spot where he is concerned. I don't see that he is protecting Enrique. I may vote Enrique today depending on what I find.

Sorry about the quotes. My survival had nothing to do with my role, though, I don't know where that came from. My best guess is that The Master got blocked.

linki: You don't have to defend yourself, I know SD1.0 was a civ. But you can't simply shrug off every vote against you because they were wrong. People hardly get it right in mafia.

zeek wrote:

Enrique wrote:<snip> We had a last second vote-change from Snow Dog <snip>

Thats not true, he panoplied in bed tedge before the deadline.

Yes, and then he came back, changed it again, and got lynched.

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Enrique wrote:

zeek wrote:I want Enrique to explain honeytongued viridescence survived.
MP submergence Elo have explained.

I don't know >_> It's not a part of my role, and while I did receive a recruitment boon, it wasn't anything this big and it's been spent for a while. I can only assume The Master got blocked, or I got protected or something. Regardless, I'm glad it didn't go through.

@Snow Dog: I kinda disagree with the idea that self-preservation "isn't very civvie," since the only people we can be 100% confident on in this game is ourselves. Made didn't even do that, though, he kept his vote for Dom which was the only one. What opportunity did he jump on? Of course he wasn't gonna vote himself..

Honestly, I don't know if there's much more to this case on Made than "he's playing differently" which makes me wary of voting for him. I mean, there's the possibility of a save, but again... how could you possibly pull off a save where this guy had 5 votes and the final lynchee had only one an hour before the lynch? No team has the numbers to pull that off, and even if they did it'd be pretty dumb to all stack their votes on the same player instead of a lynch frontrunner. Made's voters yesterday were pretty much all drive bys, so I'm not sure why we're suddenly giving that "case" so much importance.

So yeah I guess I'm defending him now, I just don't get why people are so insistent that he must be the "focus" today.

Have you even read a single post I have made about Made? You are COMPLETELY misrepresenting the facts. Completely.

He's done that a lot this game. You should reread him. He even tried to do that on what little posts I have made.

I'm voting now. Guess who for...

That's... what you're doing now, BR I don't recall ever accusing you of anything in this game other than lack of participation, but if you wanna keep accusing me of shit that's cool.

re: Dom and Made. Honestly I skimmed through most of those posts. It didn't look like anything new was going on after the first couple and you were just getting really heated and personal.

zeek wrote:

Enrique wrote:Plus, I think at least MP, Dana and zeek are civvie.

Setting up a few more civvie lynches when you Dusty Spoon bad King of Hearts see.

I'm sorry are these not opinions I've maintained through the whole game? Have I not been seeing eye to eye with each of you for days now?

I'm gonna flip civvie, so you have nothing to worry about anyway.

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:Because obviously, you are the only player capable of picking up on potential baddie behavior. I didn't follow your vote for juliets, that's absolute bullshit, I have my own reasons and followed through on the player I thought was likeliest to be bad.

Not buying it. If I had not brought it up, NO ONE would have voted for juliets. Including you. If I hadn't said anything against juliets, you wouldn't have said anything about her. Would you like to know how I know that? Because you only interacted with juliets once, and you agreed with her. It wasn't until I made my case against her that you latched onto it like a leech. And then you turn around and lynch poor K9.

How full of yourself do you need to be? The time I had interacted with her before, her "slip" hadn't happened yet. I saw that and immediately thought of the worst. It's not exactly like you had spoken out against her before, either.

Enrique wrote:I did express suspicion of you first, and finally gave in to it on Day 2:

Day 2?

Enrique wrote:Voted. Not sure what I was waiting for.

Enrique wrote:Oh so Bass voted for me. Cool. Look forward to hearing a reason.

There was more dancing on Day 2 than there was actual substance from Enrique, but I'll let others comb through that ballroom. Enrique demanded others give a reason when they voted for him, but he didn't come up with one until near the end.

But wait, you literally just brought up how I found you suspicious? You honestly don't think I ever made a post about you? Do I need to link all of those now? The post you quoted before is essential here.

I don't need to ask Mafia why they found civilians suspicious. I understand their reasons.

If I had a penny for every time you shrugged me off.

Enrique wrote:You turned out civvie, so clearly, the problem here is that our playstyles don't mesh.

The vilest word in Mafia is "clearly," which is both an evil adverb and one that assumes everyone agrees with you. I don't have a play style. People think I do. I don't. I do whatever amuses me at the time. You may have a play style, and I have no problem with yours. The problem is that you got a bad role, and that you didn't do a very good job on Day 1 concealing it.

... Epignosis, stop. You're allowed to be pretentious, but a little self-awareness doesn't hurt. Of course you have a playstyle, and it's one that will never let us play together without being at each other's throats.

Enrique wrote:But you were still hella suspicious and honestly I don't think you've contributed anything to the civvie cause all game. So how's that?

Ah, I'm still suspicious and haven't contributed.

Well now, let's see.

I got one civilian lynched. You nailed three in a row- well done. I want to lynch you and have been wanting to since Day 1. You say things like "hella suspicious." Since you've leveled this accusation against me, what have YOU contributed to the civilian cause? Besides reducing their numbers and making it easier for them to figure out who's bad, I mean.

Key difference: I'm trying. We're gonna see at endgame who came closer to the truth.

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:All these people online who haven't voted are making me nervous. So easy to switch the tide at the last possible second.

Why should this make him nervous? Think about it folks: We can switch our votes here as often as we like. What difference does it make that people were online and hadn't voted? This concern was a VOID concern. It gives the sense of urgency without there actually being any.

This is such a terrible argument. So last second saves aren't a thing in the universe from where you play mafia? It was a tight lynch with several votes still missing, perfectly open for manipulation. I had multiple people agree with me on this point, and guess what? We had a last second vote-change from Snow Dog (I think his third change in that phase alone after asking about anyone who he should vote for) and up to six people thought that was worth lynching him for.

Enrique wrote:Really tempted to vote for Snow Dog. That last minute vote change doesn't sit well with me at all.

Including you. You voted Snow Dog over a vote change. That's it. No other reason given.

Is that not a reason? Because five other people voted with me. Is every case in this game null unless you make it?

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess I'm switching to Snow Dog for now, just to get it off LC.

Linki MM: Why should I vote Made?

To save Snow Dog / Hedgie, duh.

Duh indeed.

You think Made is good and people were trying to save Snow Dog or Hedgeowl? So...are you going to vote Hedgeowl? Of course not. You need to see which way the wind is blowing. You need to see someone call out someone who mistakenly posted in another thread. You need to see some support against someone who wants to lynch you. You need to see someone switch his vote.

You have no real suspicions. You are (to use a term that maintains currency with my students) "fake."

Honestly I'll probably just have to vote for whoever isn't me this lynch. I started out with three guaranteed votes against me, and have only been getting more. The only person I can be 100% sure of in this game is myself, so yeah, in all likelihood I'm gonna be a bitch and vote to save myself. Didn't I vote for Snow Dog yesterday? Doesn't that go hand in hand with the post you're quoting?

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Three civilian lynches- the only one to participate in all three. Where is Long Con now to say someone is Mafia hiding in plain sight? Ah, there he is- "suspecting" both Enrique and Made but voting for Made.

I think Enrique needs to go, and I'm not even done saying it.

"Hiding in plain sight" wasn't a valid argument when LC used it against you, was it? So why the hell do you think I'd spend every lynch on this game having a civvie killed? Clearly my judgement hasn't been on point but it's bullshit to pin all of this on me.

Because you're bad?

Ugh, and "clearly" again. Get that shit out of here.

Trust me, the baddies' endgame in mafia isn't setting themselves up for failure with every lynch. They have a nightkill. They kill people with it. I think they're good as long as their team isn't being lynched.

Enrique wrote:If you get me lynched today, which is a strong possibility considering I'm pretty much starting the day with 3 votes, I'll find some comfort in knowing the thread will know how full of shit you are. Don't pretend you're an expert baddie hunter, Epignosis, you're embarrassing yourself.

Sorry. I choose to pretend I'm an Expert Baddie Hunter. It's fun. Bet you don't even know any real expert baddie hunters.

I'd like a look at your track record so far. A quick skim of the Hall of Fame tells me you've never won a game as a civvie, and I've never seen you lead the charge against a baddie. Can I take a look at your credentials?

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:To answer your question more directly, Dom, it looks to me like Enrique is still dancing and his partner Long Con is trying to suspect him while protecting him.

Oh, man, LC too? How many partners does that leave me at? I don't think there's a team with sufficient space for me, LC, Made, Dana and MP together. Never mind one that would be outed so quickly.

When you're gone, I'll work out your teammates. That's because I'm pretending to be an expert baddie hunter for the next couple of weeks. I even have a badge!

When I'm gone you lose all credibility, so don't get too excited

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:Epig, do you think my concerns with Made are valid?

English teacher fail.

I didn't directly address your question at all.

Dom wrote:Initially, Made said he missed something I said, and subsequently said he misread it. I thought teammates had filled him in on something, and he screwed up. I pressured. Response: lashing out, no u, misrepresentation. Then, he got very angry, and that read as even more baddie. He seems cornered.

It has also been said that Made has been behaving differently than in other games. My sample size is small, but I'd say "lashing out, no u, misrepresentation" is par for the course when he's good.

If I am suspicious of Made, it's because he's defended Enrique, who moves around more than Bill Clinton's underwear.

Move around where? Can you please cite some examples? Because I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You vote with Ep1 against jul1ets, then vote against Ep1. You vote with MM against Snow Dog and then say you're going to vote against MM. That's moving around. I would like you to stop moving altogether.

Wait, you mean I'm moving around because I'm voting for a different person every day? You... do realize I haven't had a choice, right? I can't even handle this argument.

Enrique wrote:

Long Con wrote:That's not accurate, I have never defended Enrique. The post you quoted earlier where I discussed Made and Enrique was intended to convey that I'm suspicious of both. I chose Made for this lynch because of the value we may find in regards to the Snow Dog lynch.

Obviously you suspect me now, so that's something. I'm not a baddie this time.

Wait, so was I wrong to interpret this post

Long Con wrote:Epig, you assume you get better as you go. I posit that your ego may convince you that you are a improving, despite evidence to the contrary.

as you sharing my view that Epignosis is full of shit? Because that's how it reads to me. He has no idea what he's talking about, he just got a hate boner for me and needs to get it out of his system somehow. Regardless of what my role turns out to be, he'll feel like he proved a point somehow, and I'm honestly really annoyed by that.

You just uttered four different thoughts here. "Full of shit" means I'm lying. "No idea" what I'm talking about means I'm ignorant. A "hate boner" is something I will interpret as a sad youthful example of figurative language meaning "I don't like you." "Proving a point" means I have a point and I mean to prove it no matter what, win conditions be damned. All four scenarios cannot possibly be true.

Yes, I daresay I would be quite annoyed if I were that confused.

That's a nice interpretation. How do you like this one: Full of shit means you're wrong, no idea means you're wrong, hate boner means you won't let go, and proving a point means you'll do the exact same thing you do with juliets and shrug it off as "he acted bad" while maintaining pride in the fact that you could get somebody lynched.

Enrique wrote:Don't know what you're doing, Epig, but if you actually think I'm bad then you can probably make some sort of case without all the misrepresentation and hypocrisy.

Yeah, Snow Dog could've used a case. "Really tempted to vote for Snow Dog. That last minute vote change doesn't sit well with me at all." That's all you gave him.

But how's this post? Is this case enough for you?

Nope, you're still doing the same thing.

Enrique wrote:linki- What? How did not I address his point? His was a ridiculous question, can hardly even call it a point. I don't vote for whoever I think will be lynched at any given day, that's just stupid.

For context, I'll put this here:

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:

juliets wrote:I see Epi - thats what I mean about things slipping through that seem small that add up to something bigger. I'll be interested to see what Enrique has to say about your observation.

I can tell you I thought all 3 were bad at the time, and that I really didn't expect a Snow Dog lynch to actually happen that day (or Epig at the time I voted for that matter). I've chosen poorly but considering all 3 of you got lynched it's not exactly like I'm the only one.

Am I interpreting this correctly? That you vote for people you don't think will actually get lynched?

Tell me how that's a civilian strategy. :wonka:

Oh, I missed this post.

I voted for the person I was the most suspicious of... do you actually expect me to be lynched every time you vote for me? I don't understand this argument.

So... you're just re-quoting the quote I'm responding to. Nice. Nice. Still not an argument.

Just woke up. I look pretty screwed. I'll catch up in a bit.

Lying about what? Snow Dog would literally follow anyone's lead, vote, then ask someone completely different who he should vote for. That's a thing that happened. Exactly the kind of thing Epig would call moving around.

Chris, the reason I don't think it was a save is because there were SO many lynch candidates, and SD didn't start getting votes until the end. Plus, I think at least MP, Dana and zeek are civvie. MM's vote was sketchy as hell and I have no idea about Gotrees, but I definitely don't think the entire lynch was a "save."

Oh, it's fine, take your time. I don't think I'll be back tonight and if I am probably not in a state to mafia But come on dude, don't let some lynchboner that you got on Day 0 dictate your behavior for the rest of your game.

Epignosis wrote:Enrique thought Ep1 was bad...

Enrique wrote:Honestly, I don't think MP is bad here [...]

Epig on the other hand? Oh yeah. Maybe it's just that our styles don't mesh; last game I thought he was bad (which he kinda was?) and as far as I remember he also thought I was bad (which was only the case part of the time). That was a very quick vote for me for very little reason. Two votes within the first 5 minutes of the day, honestly I was scared of the bandwagon forming but that seems to have calmed down.

...but voted alongside Ep1 after Ep1 brought up jul1ets. Enrique even tried to make it seem like lynching jul1ets was his original idea:

Enrique wrote:I read juliets' post on me a good 20 mins ago before I started catching up, and I feel pretty comfortable throwing my vote there. "What does it mean to be opportunistic?" you ask? OK, to me, you were extremely opportunistic to see nothing in me until I started getting the votes. Random drive-by from Nikki who has never made a post about me, Dom voting because he "suspects me" yet offering little to no reason. So what you do is you hop into the one standing vote for me that had any kind of thought out reasoning behind it, since it doesn't look like anybody else is getting lynched. But then you're called out on it, and nope, you weren't actually compelled to vote for me! This is serious, jules, my life is at stake!

Because obviously, you are the only player capable of picking up on potential baddie behavior. I didn't follow your vote for juliets, that's absolute bullshit, I have my own reasons and followed through on the player I thought was likeliest to be bad. I did express suspicion of you first, and finally gave in to it on Day 2:

Day 2?

Enrique wrote:Voted. Not sure what I was waiting for.

Enrique wrote:Oh so Bass voted for me. Cool. Look forward to hearing a reason.

There was more dancing on Day 2 than there was actual substance from Enrique, but I'll let others comb through that ballroom. Enrique demanded others give a reason when they voted for him, but he didn't come up with one until near the end.

But wait, you literally just brought up how I found you suspicious? You honestly don't think I ever made a post about you? Do I need to link all of those now? The post you quoted before is essential here. You turned out civvie, so clearly, the problem here is that our playstyles don't mesh. But you were still hella suspicious and honestly I don't think you've contributed anything to the civvie cause all game. So how's that?

Enrique wrote:All these people online who haven't voted are making me nervous. So easy to switch the tide at the last possible second.

Why should this make him nervous? Think about it folks: We can switch our votes here as often as we like. What difference does it make that people were online and hadn't voted? This concern was a VOID concern. It gives the sense of urgency without there actually being any.

This is such a terrible argument. So last second saves aren't a thing in the universe from where you play mafia? It was a tight lynch with several votes still missing, perfectly open for manipulation. I had multiple people agree with me on this point, and guess what? We had a last second vote-change from Snow Dog (I think his third change in that phase alone after asking about anyone who he should vote for) and up to six people thought that was worth lynching him for.

Three civilian lynches- the only one to participate in all three. Where is Long Con now to say someone is Mafia hiding in plain sight? Ah, there he is- "suspecting" both Enrique and Made but voting for Made.

I think Enrique needs to go, and I'm not even done saying it.

"Hiding in plain sight" wasn't a valid argument when LC used it against you, was it? So why the hell do you think I'd spend every lynch on this game having a civvie killed? Clearly my judgement hasn't been on point but it's bullshit to pin all of this on me. If you get me lynched today, which is a strong possibility considering I'm pretty much starting the day with 3 votes, I'll find some comfort in knowing the thread will know how full of shit you are. Don't pretend you're an expert baddie hunter, Epignosis, you're embarrassing yourself.

Epignosis wrote:To answer your question more directly, Dom, it looks to me like Enrique is still dancing and his partner Long Con is trying to suspect him while protecting him.

Oh, man, LC too? How many partners does that leave me at? I don't think there's a team with sufficient space for me, LC, Made, Dana and MP together. Never mind one that would be outed so quickly.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:Epig, do you think my concerns with Made are valid?

English teacher fail.

I didn't directly address your question at all.

Dom wrote:Initially, Made said he missed something I said, and subsequently said he misread it. I thought teammates had filled him in on something, and he screwed up. I pressured. Response: lashing out, no u, misrepresentation. Then, he got very angry, and that read as even more baddie. He seems cornered.

It has also been said that Made has been behaving differently than in other games. My sample size is small, but I'd say "lashing out, no u, misrepresentation" is par for the course when he's good.

If I am suspicious of Made, it's because he's defended Enrique, who moves around more than Bill Clinton's underwear.

Move around where? Can you please cite some examples? Because I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Long Con wrote:That's not accurate, I have never defended Enrique. The post you quoted earlier where I discussed Made and Enrique was intended to convey that I'm suspicious of both. I chose Made for this lynch because of the value we may find in regards to the Snow Dog lynch.

Obviously you suspect me now, so that's something. I'm not a baddie this time.

Wait, so was I wrong to interpret this post

Long Con wrote:Epig, you assume you get better as you go. I posit that your ego may convince you that you are a improving, despite evidence to the contrary.

as you sharing my view that Epignosis is full of shit? Because that's how it reads to me. He has no idea what he's talking about, he just got a hate boner for me and needs to get it out of his system somehow. Regardless of what my role turns out to be, he'll feel like he proved a point somehow, and I'm honestly really annoyed by that.

Don't know what you're doing, Epig, but if you actually think I'm bad then you can probably make some sort of case without all the misrepresentation and hypocrisy.

linki- What? How did not I address his point? His was a ridiculous question, can hardly even call it a point. I don't vote for whoever I think will be lynched at any given day, that's just stupid.

3) My thoughts haven't changed on Made. Yes, the major argument is that his game this time around has been markedly different from any other game we've played with him, and he was Civvie in all those games. I believe this is a valid argument because, as someone mentioned (I'm sorry for the "someones" instead of actual names, but I just spent an hour catching up and I'm not going back through at the moment for specifics; ask if you want them), he was more helpful/speculative then. In other games he spent the majority of time filling the thread with speculations and bouncing ideas off with other people. Sometimes it was helpful, other times it made things a lot harder for those of us who check in periodically to keep up with the thread to, well, keep up, since he was so ridiculously talkative. But this game? He talks little, and harps on the same points, then disappears when the conversation gets back to him between several people (not just one or two). He's doing almost no idea bouncing this game. And it's not like he hasn't been busy in other games (he was practicing for tests, etc. and said so in the thread). That looks like a baddie flying under the radar. So his behavior is not only "different," but not particularly helpful to the Civvie cause.

I get the impression he's just not as invested in this game. It happens to a lot of people, and it happens a lot. I could name up to 10 other players in this game who have been a lot less involved.

then Enrique says he suspects Made

That didn't happen.

I honestly don't understand how people take Epignosis seriously.

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:So yeah I guess I'm defending him now, I just don't get why people are so insistent that he must be the "focus" today.

I'm not insistent on that at all.

Good thing I wasn't talking about you!

zeek wrote:I want Enrique to explain honeytongued viridescence survived.
MP submergence Elo have explained.

I don't know >_> It's not a part of my role, and while I did receive a recruitment boon, it wasn't anything this big and it's been spent for a while. I can only assume The Master got blocked, or I got protected or something. Regardless, I'm glad it didn't go through.

@Snow Dog: I kinda disagree with the idea that self-preservation "isn't very civvie," since the only people we can be 100% confident on in this game is ourselves. Made didn't even do that, though, he kept his vote for Dom which was the only one. What opportunity did he jump on? Of course he wasn't gonna vote himself..

Honestly, I don't know if there's much more to this case on Made than "he's playing differently" which makes me wary of voting for him. I mean, there's the possibility of a save, but again... how could you possibly pull off a save where this guy had 5 votes and the final lynchee had only one an hour before the lynch? No team has the numbers to pull that off, and even if they did it'd be pretty dumb to all stack their votes on the same player instead of a lynch frontrunner. Made's voters yesterday were pretty much all drive bys, so I'm not sure why we're suddenly giving that "case" so much importance.

So yeah I guess I'm defending him now, I just don't get why people are so insistent that he must be the "focus" today.

lol but you sure were proud of getting juliets lynched, huh?

How can you be so confident and so wrong at the same time? Do you care about winning or just about getting your targets killed?

Now, before you start boasting, the question is whether it works to get baddies. Not to get civvies lynched.

Oh God, Master, why the hell would you even..

Epig dude are you like this in every game? And honestly, does it work? Because you obviously were a civvie at least in your last incarnation but I have never seen a player be so close-minded about something they're WRONG about before.

OK dude I'm not sure why I'm expected to reciprocate

I'm honestly not sure how that changes the meaning of the previous sentence or why you would even think so...

linki - I think MP and Daisy are good and I've got practically no read on Made?

lol hey guys did I defend Made in the other game I've ever played with him?? I can't remember And how did that turn out?

I'm not even sure I'm defending him here. Rather see him lynched tomorrow than me or MP or even Daisy

linki - OK, that's your interpretation. Can we hear it from MP?

sabie12 wrote:I participate when I can I'm just not around that often and when not much is going on I don't say much. This particular poll doesn't take much discussion. It's all the same thing. Made and enrique are still my suspects and I'm still not sure what to think of MP and his super long posts suspecting a bunch of different people. Not sure what went down with the Snow Dog thing. I didn't see anything suspicious there and was unsure as to why people really wanted to vote for them in the first place. I hadn't seen a lot of posts prior to that regarding them so I thought it was weird that all of the sudden a bunch of people moved to lynch a civvie. Also, wary of Epi coming back not sure what to think of that yet.

The whole Snow Dog case is there for you to see, not before, but during the lynch. He changed his vote several times according to what anyone told him to do. Of course it turned out to be the wrong choice, but it's not really fair to say he got lynched for no reason.

Like, trust me guys, I'm not intentionally setting myself up for failure with every vote. If I'd thought Snow Dog was a civvie I wouldn't have voted for him. Second vote, too, when there were three different people with 3 votes, one with 4 and one with 5. Not trying to save anyone. But I still thought he was hella suspicious so my vote went there.

linki @ Epig- Not following.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:Alex, not to speak for her, but let's just go with "she's leaning civvie." I think she's a civ too but I can't know if I'm right. It's too early to have any solid info on anyone. What she just said is super standard and I don't know why you'd be so quick to jump on her.

linki- Oh hi BR nice to see you!

I don't understand, how is "I do think he's a civvie" and "I have no idea if he's bad or not" the same?

And you know, I would have preferred she answered this and not you. Deja vu much?

Epig how do you feel about this instance of "I would have preferred she answered?" Is it still a blatant baddie tactic in your books?

Sick burn But damn at least I'm trying.

This is honestly based on so little that I don't know what to say. You're wrong?

linki- right Dom but the thing is I was NOTHING away from being lynched. I still have Epig and BR's guaranteed votes every day, and you never know who from the sabie/blooper/Eloh/Bass hardly active train is gonna hop on at any given day.

I think we're probably civ teammates.

But let's also not forget how close he came to getting me lynched on Day 1 I'm not hiding anything, my opinions are exactly the ones you see in this thread. I think MP is good so I feel OK with defending him.

I'm not saying you did... I was clearing that up myself... it's OK.

Nothing on anyone else then?

Black Rock wrote:I have basically caught up right now. The one person who stood out to me the most was enrique. His posts read false to me. A few posts an amount of pages back kinda clinched it for me. My vote is likely going his way today.

Black Rock wrote:

Enrique wrote:My post explains why I think the way I do... we have a big list of civvies, a big list of Daleks, and a big list of Cybermen (and an indie role). There are 3 more players than there are roles, so we know there's some roles missing. It's just my interpretation, which I'm not trying to force on anyone, that the remaining roles are probably their own faction and not in any of the existing ones. Think about it. Why have "Dalek #1" and "Dalek #2" with secret powers instead of just naming one of then "Davros?"

Now what the hell are you smoking? I was away for a few minutes reading about the Time Lords, and tbh I really should be sleeping considering it's 5am and I have plans for noon. But Jesus Christ the reactions I get sometimes..

Ok so it's page 19, the back and forth between him and Zeek. It's not this post in particular but the whole exchange that felt off and false.

Black Rock wrote:Alright slowly catching up and trying to stay current.

A few thoughts on players.

Daisy seems genuine to me, I am leaning civvie here.

Enrique reads baddie to me, once again that's where my vote will probably go.

MP, I'm feeling pretty neutral about him right now. I'm not seeing anything baddie here, just pushy.

I am going to look into Epigs voters posts as well. I feel like there was a last minute push in his direction and I personally did not see why he was so suspicious. Last day is the last I need to completely catch up on so I feel like I am working with full info here.

Linki: Gotrees, how does it make him more suspicious? I might be missing something here.

This is about all the content I could find from you. You understand why I would want you to say more, right? Every other post is about you catching up or simply stopping by to mention you're gonna vote for me. Best reason you've given is that you thought my exchange with zeek seemed fake to you, whatever that means.

linki- Well, he was one of six votes. I was another one of the six, and actually the first one to voice suspicion for Epig, which LC never really did before his vote. I'm not accusing LC of anything, I was just curious to hear your thoughts.

linki2- Aggressive in a Mafia way, dw everything's good, but I was kinda surprised I just reiterated a question splints asked and your post immediately went to "Of course you'd want me to talk about other people, you baddie!"

That was unnecessarily aggressive Would you rather we let you play this game without offering any insight? I actually went through all your posts, out of which the only thing I could gather is that you think I'm bad and you vote for me every day (reminds me of someone..). And you said you think Daisy is good once. It's almost Day 4, let's get people talking and not be content with drive by voting.

keys56000000000 wrote:Some of you seem really hung up on the Epig lynch. I don't know what to tell you guys, he seemed sketchy enough to get lynched to me. Why aren't you guys as hung up on Jules/Snow Dog's lynches? Other than the fact that you voted for those two?

I voted for Epig myself, it's not about me, it's Black Rock herself who said she'd be looking at the Epig voters. So we're asking her specifically what she thinks of LC.

fingersplints wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Alright slowly catching up and trying to stay current.

A few thoughts on players.

Daisy seems genuine to me, I am leaning civvie here.

Enrique reads baddie to me, once again that's where my vote will probably go.

MP, I'm feeling pretty neutral about him right now. I'm not seeing anything baddie here, just pushy.

I am going to look into Epigs voters posts as well. I feel like there was a last minute push in his direction and I personally did not see why he was so suspicious. Last day is the last I need to completely catch up on so I feel like I am working with full info here.

Linki: Gotrees, how does it make him more suspicious? I might be missing something here.

I want BR to say stuff other than she's voting for me This is the best I've been able to find.

BR, do you have anything to say about anyone else? Let's not leave it at "the Epig voters," be specific.

I'd like to hear BR's take on LC this game.

Who happens to have been the first Epig voter. Yeah, I'd like to hear this as well.

@zeek: http://www.mikesteffler.com/InsanityGenerator.html Enjoy

Black Rock wrote:Alright slowly catching up and trying to stay current.

A few thoughts on players.

Daisy seems genuine to me, I am leaning civvie here.

Enrique reads baddie to me, once again that's where my vote will probably go.

MP, I'm feeling pretty neutral about him right now. I'm not seeing anything baddie here, just pushy.

I am going to look into Epigs voters posts as well. I feel like there was a last minute push in his direction and I personally did not see why he was so suspicious. Last day is the last I need to completely catch up on so I feel like I am working with full info here.

Linki: Gotrees, how does it make him more suspicious? I might be missing something here.

I want BR to say stuff other than she's voting for me This is the best I've been able to find.

BR, do you have anything to say about anyone else? Let's not leave it at "the Epig voters," be specific.

Turnip Head wrote:

zeek wrote:Gets head for posting too much, <snip>.

Scandalous

Uhh see ya?

I'm not sure how this helps you, Alex, if at all... but it's up to you I guess. Good luck on the PhD work.

Turnip Head wrote:Voted for Chris on accident, changed my vote to Chris instead.

You have info don't you??