The Syndicate

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:34 pm You're a good guy G.

My advice to you is never trick your players. When you host, you should always be the reliable anchor. This was a trick.

I own that it was a trick and that this sort of thing should be considered out of bounds by a host. Curiosity is what drove me to see it through, not malice. I hate to lose face as a host for it, but it is indefensible. If my reputation is tarnished, then I only have myself to blame for that.

We'll see if this ruse hurts my ability to fill up future games. I will be sure to state in my gameplay section, though, that all of my future games include an informed minority clashing with an uninformed majority. That way, no one ever has to worry or speculate about the possibility of a repeat.

And as I said before- if the admins believe that they need to make a punitive example out of me, I won't object. Twelve people can't get back the time they invested into this game, and that's on me. Recourse may well be in order.

None of this. It was a game that some people didn't like, there have been and will be plenty more like that. You're one of the most celebrated hosts on the site, but not every game can be a hit. If you're making games that people enjoy that's enough, and if not, you can just do it differently next time. It shouldn't be more serious than that.

I've never heard of bastard games, I don't care what they are or whether this was one or not. I come here to play games by and with my mafia friends and I did. It's not more serious than that.

It didn't come out of nowhere. G-Man left hints, and not just in the flavor but especially in the set-up. It was winnable. It wasn't that bad.

I think it was a fine experiment. It wasn't just a small game but also a low-activity one to begin, and it created a lot of frustration but ultimately I prefer this to just having a powerless or complete inactive mafia. We could've pulled it off.

I'm half expecting G-Man to still say he's fucking with us.

I will not let ANY OF YOU forget what happened tonight ahahhahaha

Wow.... wow..... lmfao!!

I do maintain that if there was no kill we had basically nothing to work with. If there was, and it was just Poison and rey missing it, then lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:04 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:01 pm The game's about to end... don't know if I'm more relieved or disappointed.

If you are a civilian you are taking the most irrational approach I've witnessed. I would have voted Poison out or KZA out today. You weren't willing to work with that. Oh well.

Yeah, nothing really played out how I wanted. Sorry for this one civs but at least we all sucked together for most of the game

The game's about to end... don't know if I'm more relieved or disappointed.

Still a civ!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:05 pm I absolutely don't know you didn't lie. I don't know that at all. If you're a civilian you're allowed to be annoyed by that, but I am telling you flatly that I don't know that. Nothing you have said today confirms to me that you didn't lie. The entire concept is silly. Do I think you sound sincere? Generally yes, and you have much of the game. That's why you're still here. But G-Man told me the game can be lost today; I can at least formulate a semi-coherent case against you, and you have a double vote that makes you a mathematical explanation for WHY we can lose. I may be wrong, but don't act like it's nonsense. That's just not true.

I have two more posts all day. I want non-Enriques to speak up and I will listen. This dialogue has run its course. Also: I don't really believe that Jacob Ferraro is the protagonist. I'm not sure he's anything at all.

If I lose this game because I didn't vote no eviction, I will blame myself zero percent. That's not on me, and clearly not on Enrique. It's not on anyone playing the game.

I was telling the truth about offering myself for chops. We don’t have to go over this a 100th time. You do know that it wasn’t the lie you made it up to be.

The last thing I would argue here - a lot of people see the suggestion that there isn’t a mafia as something ridiculous. I get it. But literally what is the alternative? There is a mafia that doesn’t act or do anything and is thus completely indistinguishable from townies? What is the source of our conflict? They haven’t touched us. What is the game? What is there for them to lie about? What do they have to strategize about? This scenario is no less a twisted psychological experiment variation of the game than the “no mafia” theory.

Whatever is happening, and I do think either possibility would be fun to host, it’s not a regular ass townies vs. wolves game. Those have night actions, a threatening scum team, and a town that is able to identify them for their actions. None of that really exists in this game, and every time we’ve thought it did, it turned out to be a red herring.

We know there is a pursuit of bad guys. That’s literally the game. That’s what we’ve been doing. Whether they actually exist at all - there is not a shred of evidence, and if they did, they have not lifted a finger! Why would we care to evict them then? Isn’t the point our own safety?

I don’t know why you mentioned the Day 0 post twice as if it were two pieces of evidence when you’re talking about the same thing twice. I read your post. In it you somehow glossed over the fact that several of those posts consecutively showed us the protagonist try to stop the evictions. Do you think literally nothing of that? Why would that be any less valuable than a HOA meeting where the known fact that we’re yeeting people is discussed?

For all I know I am wrong about exactly what we’re supposed to do. But if I am wrong, I can at least tell you with a straight face that this was my sincere conviction. You? You’re distorting the record to get a civvie lynched. It would be so much easier to proceed if you could just tell me “That was a mistake, I ignored the substance of your argument and made a strawman out of you. I will pursuit your lynch because I don’t agree with the No-Evict theory and we’re running out of options fast.” So much easier!! Don’t make it out like I lied because you now know I didn’t.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:40 pm there's plenty of flavor evidence that evildoers are on this roster too.

Provide a single example.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:35 pm You haven't shown anything dude, you have just challenged my argument with wifom. Maybe you're telling the truth, I don't know. But the whole point of Mafia is to interpret honesty and if I have to choose someone on this roster that I think is most likely bullshitting then I pick you Enrique. That's just how the game works.

You cannot guarantee me that there is absolutely no loss for town in delaying the chop. You simply cannot do that.

lol you do not want to confirm that the last several posts I made before this phase were my volunteering to be chopped, even though you will guarantee I never did such a thing as part of your case against me. It’s bullshit. You don’t want to discard any of your supposed evidence against me even when presented with the fact that it’s fake.

If there is a scum, it has to be JJJ. He doesn’t care to correct the record on his lies because he knows I’m town. If I show what he’s saying about me isn’t true, he just diverts the topic. It makes no difference if his case holds up! He just needs me gone! It is URGENT to lynch a civ today because he knows he can win right now. There is absolutely no loss for town in delaying the yeeting, whether it be of me or him or whoever else - he knows that and will distort it into a fake nonsensical scenario where the mafia wants to No Evict to win.

This is my opinion and I don’t expect it to affect the outcome of the game (I will probably be lynched), but I’m leaving it on record now and you can trust me next time...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:13 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 am I also think Enrique makes the most sense on a behavioral basis. He pushed the no eviction angle harder than anyone, and now we have a concrete reason to doubt that's valid. The game can be lost today. When faced with the threat of receiving votes, he displayed considerable survivalism. He strikes me as more interested in staying alive than anyone else in this bizarre game. Scirrus hardly gave a damn by the time he was chopped. I doubt I would have felt much different in his place.

Did you miss my posts where I repeatedly offered to be chopped if [basically any scenario] ? What I’m quoting is actual nonsense if not a deliberate misreading.

You're sure as hell not volunteering to be chopped right now. You weren't volunteering to be chopped in the night phase either, even before "you can lose the game" was revealed.

As a matter of fact I did, several times over. I would post a quote wall but I can’t log in with my laptop for some reason. I am also not asking to lynch anybody else at any point. Vote No Lynch, and if nothing changes, INSTANTLY vote to yeet me, all of you. I have repeated this many times and it disappoints me that you’re paying so little attention to my posts that you’d even accuse me of lying about it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:11 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:10 pm Okay! Let’s see if you can figure out who it is then, but I’m not yeeting anyone. I’m doing as the host posts indicate.

What does "the game can be lost today" indicate to you then?

What else?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 am I also think Enrique makes the most sense on a behavioral basis. He pushed the no eviction angle harder than anyone, and now we have a concrete reason to doubt that's valid. The game can be lost today. When faced with the threat of receiving votes, he displayed considerable survivalism. He strikes me as more interested in staying alive than anyone else in this bizarre game. Scirrus hardly gave a damn by the time he was chopped. I doubt I would have felt much different in his place.

Did you miss my posts where I repeatedly offered to be chopped if [basically any scenario] ? What I’m quoting is actual nonsense if not a deliberate misreading.

Okay! Let’s see if you can figure out who it is then, but I’m not yeeting anyone. I’m doing as the host posts indicate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:06 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:05 pm If “No Eviction” were the option that causes town to lose today.... wouldn’t the game have already ended?

WHY? Where are you getting this rationale? WTF?

Why would TODAY be the official only no eviction day we get? This shit makes no sense.

?

You seem to think that if I get my way the mafia wins.

If I get my way, no one dies, and at worst tomorrow we’re in the same place as today. Mafia does not win.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:01 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:57 pm Nobody seriously thinks that JJJ’s argument as to why I’m scum makes any sense, right? He’ll twist any new information to make it fit. If there is a mafia after all it just might be him and he had me fooled with the apparent exasperation at the state of the game. The game can be lost by not yeeting anyone, but not by yeeting a civilian? Don’t make me laugh.

I’m voting No Eviction and not moving my vote, though. As promised.

Why doesn't it make sense? G-Man explicitly indicated the game can be lost today. What other explanation is there?

Don’t you think it makes more sense to lose a game by lynching a civilian than by not lynching anyone...? The idea that pushing for No Eviction (of all things) makes me scum is absurd.

How about 4 vs. 2 with a double voter? That's the argument I opened with and it is mathematically secure. One miss and the game goes to 3:3 parity exclusively if you are mafia.

I am not pushing for a mislynch. You are.

If “No Eviction” were the option that causes town to lose today.... wouldn’t the game have already ended?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:01 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:57 pm Nobody seriously thinks that JJJ’s argument as to why I’m scum makes any sense, right? He’ll twist any new information to make it fit. If there is a mafia after all it just might be him and he had me fooled with the apparent exasperation at the state of the game. The game can be lost by not yeeting anyone, but not by yeeting a civilian? Don’t make me laugh.

I’m voting No Eviction and not moving my vote, though. As promised.

Why doesn't it make sense? G-Man explicitly indicated the game can be lost today. What other explanation is there?

Don’t you think it makes more sense to lose a game by lynching a civilian than by not lynching anyone...? The idea that pushing for No Eviction (of all things) makes me scum is absurd.

kza lmao

I have no idea of where your head is at but cheers

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:37 am This many successful blocks is tough to believe as it is.

I guess the absence of a mafia kill would even out two lynch powers if that is what we are up against. But on the flip side, if that is the case, wouldn’t it have made most of the town actions kind of pointless. Without any night kills or mafia night actions, I’d only be able to successfully block civvies. Trackers would only get information if they tracked a civvie because the mafia went no where at night.

mandi please ISO my posts from the last two days. I’ve pointed out this exact thing, but came to a different conclusion. All the night powers are jokes because only the day matters.

Nobody seriously thinks that JJJ’s argument as to why I’m scum makes any sense, right? He’ll twist any new information to make it fit. If there is a mafia after all it just might be him and he had me fooled with the apparent exasperation at the state of the game. The game can be lost by not yeeting anyone, but not by yeeting a civilian? Don’t make me laugh.

I’m voting No Eviction and not moving my vote, though. As promised.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:46 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:43 pm Okay. I don't want you to lynch anybody else anyway. Forget them, make the next round me vs No Eviction and hopefully at least one or two other players will see that I'm right and that my argument is reinforced by the story posts and our knowledge of the revealed and claimed roles. Again - the worst case scenario is that NOTHING HAPPENS and you all can just do everything you want to do one day later. Every time there's no night kill and the yeeted player flips civilian should just convince you more. There's nothing happening at night, it's all useless.

If I lose, who wins?

I don't know man, I didn't design this game, I'm just paying enough attention to know we're losing.

If you lose, who wins?

Lynch me tomorrow and find out! This is an open invitation. I can't make the blind see, so I have nothing left to do in this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:43 pm Okay. I don't want you to lynch anybody else anyway. Forget them, make the next round me vs No Eviction and hopefully at least one or two other players will see that I'm right and that my argument is reinforced by the story posts and our knowledge of the revealed and claimed roles. Again - the worst case scenario is that NOTHING HAPPENS and you all can just do everything you want to do one day later. Every time there's no night kill and the yeeted player flips civilian should just convince you more. There's nothing happening at night, it's all useless.

If I lose, who wins?

I don't know man, I didn't design this game, I'm just paying enough attention to know we're losing.

Okay. I don't want you to lynch anybody else anyway. Forget them, make the next round me vs No Eviction and hopefully at least one or two other players will see that I'm right and that my argument is reinforced by the story posts and our knowledge of the revealed and claimed roles. Again - the worst case scenario is that NOTHING HAPPENS and you all can just do everything you want to do one day later. Every time there's no night kill and the yeeted player flips civilian should just convince you more. There's nothing happening at night, it's all useless.

JJJ - I think you've speculated about the scum having one kill they could strategically use at the end of the game before. It didn't happen when it could've led to a 3v3 win, so now you assume it's a team of two. Lynch me, a civ, and they can use that kill to win the game. Does that scenario worry you any more than my proposal does?

linki - yeah isn't that how it works? Do townies get wins when they're dead? Wasn't that rule changed a while ago? (I remember talking about it when you and Marmot made the spreadsheet but maybe I have it the other way around...)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:29 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:21 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:18 pm There isn't a mafia. I welcome you to lynch me instantly if they kill tonight, or if we vote No-evict and nothing happens (the town doesn't lose anything in either situation). Moreover, if you really think there is a mafia, then lynching me just because of my double-vote is a terrible decision. Vote for me because you think I'm mafia, otherwise you're just admitting to throwing the game. Lynching another civ because his role would be threatening if his alignment was different is just another path to loss.

It's not game throwing if it's a mathematical necessity.

It occurs to me now though that I might have screwed at least one pooch in yesterday's Pepe Silvia solving nonsense: mafia Enrique on a two-player team poses the same threat tomorrow that he would have yesterday on a three-player team. So if there's a kill and we lose, go ahead and blame me gang. I won't be bothered given the bizarre nature of this game, but blame me anyway if you wish.

I have a SNEAKING SUSPICION that there won't be a kill anyway.

It's not a "mathematical necessity" if I'm a civ. You lose the game when you kill civilians, not when a civvie role could be used for evil. Which, anyway, I insist can't be a fucking problem because I won't move my vote from No Eviction. My role can't manipulate the results in any way if we all just vote for No Eviction. What are the dangers of trying?

Wouldn't you agree that we can take this leap of faith even if you're not alive? Why not exhaust all other scenarios before we try something like that?

lol because I want to win too bro!!

To stop yeeting each other / diving head first into a town loss as we've been doing all game. Like I said, lynch me the second nothing happens. At best we crack the game open, at worst literally nothing (good or bad) happens.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:21 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:18 pm There isn't a mafia. I welcome you to lynch me instantly if they kill tonight, or if we vote No-evict and nothing happens (the town doesn't lose anything in either situation). Moreover, if you really think there is a mafia, then lynching me just because of my double-vote is a terrible decision. Vote for me because you think I'm mafia, otherwise you're just admitting to throwing the game. Lynching another civ because his role would be threatening if his alignment was different is just another path to loss.

It's not game throwing if it's a mathematical necessity.

It occurs to me now though that I might have screwed at least one pooch in yesterday's Pepe Silvia solving nonsense: mafia Enrique on a two-player team poses the same threat tomorrow that he would have yesterday on a three-player team. So if there's a kill and we lose, go ahead and blame me gang. I won't be bothered given the bizarre nature of this game, but blame me anyway if you wish.

I have a SNEAKING SUSPICION that there won't be a kill anyway.

It's not a "mathematical necessity" if I'm a civ. You lose the game when you kill civilians, not when a civvie role could be used for evil. Which, anyway, I insist can't be a fucking problem because I won't move my vote from No Eviction. My role can't manipulate the results in any way if we all just vote for No Eviction. What are the dangers of trying?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:04 pm So still no one talking. Ok I’ll think out loud to myself I guess

We have 7 players left. Possibilities are 2 mafia 5 town or 3 mafia 4 town.

If we lynch another town today, we might be in trouble.

If scirrus is mafia as we suspect, who would be e teammates. Poison? KZA? Enrique? Both KZA and Enrique have some lynch manipulation so we might be in trouble. Really hoping it’s poison and scirrus and that’s it

The second the day starts I will place my vote on No Eviction and I won't move it from there. I think I've made a more reasonable case for that option than anybody gives it credit. The night actions are a joke, besides Scirrus' kill absolutely nothing has happened through them, and Alison's particularly should've nudged us towards the truth that they are a distraction.

You can block me, Poison can track me, or you can each do whatever to whomever you think is scum (first I typed "the killer", but I have to correct myself, there isn't even a kill!). Whatever happens I bet you there won't be a kill and town won't be any worse off like in every other night phase, just as we won't be worse off if instead of lynching another civ we just band together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:46 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:37 pm

Shot Across the Bow

"Watch it, Ferraro, or you'll be next."

That comment stuck with Jacob all the way home and all the way through the contents of a bottle of finely-aged bourbon.

He had pulled what most considered a stunt- trying to get homeowners to vote with him for no eviction. It wouldn't solve the problem of ferreting out the nefarious, so his efforts were met with contempt from both sides. Finally- something Phase 1 and Phase 3 could agree on!

Normally, he would have dismissed such a petulant threat. These days though? He had no reason to underestimate anyone anymore.

Jacob was left with difficult decision: should he start looking for a realtor to sell his house to escape this hot mess, or should he start looking for a lawyer to defend him against eviction?

In the end, he dismissed the binary choice altogether and ordered more bourbon online instead.

The flavor beckons us onward toward Troll Tower. It's almost like Enrique is Jacob Ferraro.

Jacob Ferraro isn't my role but I don't think our agreement is a coincidence. You've read all the host posts and written about them - did you forget that in previous posts, such as the start of day 3, the start of night 3, and the start of day 4 Jacob Ferraro, the protagonist of the story, was already trying to figure out a way to stop the evictions? This didn't come out of nowhere. It's an intentional part of the story and we're supposed to be picking up on it.

There isn't a mafia. I welcome you to lynch me instantly if they kill tonight, or if we vote No-evict and nothing happens (the town doesn't lose anything in either situation). Moreover, if you really think there is a mafia, then lynching me just because of my double-vote is a terrible decision. Vote for me because you think I'm mafia, otherwise you're just admitting to throwing the game. Lynching another civ because his role would be threatening if his alignment was different is just another path to loss.

Fourth scenario - Poison and I are the mafia. After no evict today we’re 5v2, after a kill 4v2 and I’m dangerous enough to yeet; if no kill Poison or Scirrus can be yeeted and it’s 4v2 or 5v1, where I’m still overpowered; if I can kill then it’s 3v2 or 4v1. I win in the former, I’m easily rid of in the latter. So I think it makes sense to renew my offer that if there’s a kill at all you just yeet me immediately.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:52 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:49 pm I think Scirrus might be a better option that Poison if it comes to that. If I weren’t me I would be especially suspicious of the last post he made - say it’s me and Scirrus and maybe a third who are the mafia, and we’ve just been hiding a kill for the right time.

7 players left. We yeet Poison (possibly civ in this scenario) and it’s a 3v3 or 4v2, which a well placed kill could bring down to 3v2, but then you also have my double vote. In this scenario, given both of us were mafia, I could use my extra vote to finish the game for scum. Then you should be yeeting me. Scirrus would be prefer himself to be killed, because he’s less valuable at the time, while also potentially clearing me as a civ.

I give you this instead - no yeet today, and if there’s a kill tonight, just kill me and get ahead of a potential problem (I AM a civ but I won’t care at that point after being so wrong). But if there isn’t a kill then let’s kill Scirrus. And even in the dreaded scenario that he and I were a team, the whole thing would’ve only been a loss for the mafia team and a net win for civilians (who didn’t lose anyone).

Are there any issues with this plan? Let me know.

If there are three mafia, no eviction followed by night kill bring the game to 3-3 parity and civilians lose.

If they have a kill why not use it last night and win? If we’re working under that assumption then Poison is the last logical choice for a yeet today.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:49 pm I think Scirrus might be a better option that Poison if it comes to that. If I weren’t me I would be especially suspicious of the last post he made - say it’s me and Scirrus and maybe a third who are the mafia, and we’ve just been hiding a kill for the right time.

7 players left. We yeet Poison (possibly civ in this scenario) and it’s a 3v3 or 4v2, which a well placed kill could bring down to 3v2, but then you also have my double vote. In this scenario, given both of us were mafia, I could use my extra vote to finish the game for scum. Then you should be yeeting me. Scirrus would be prefer himself to be killed, because he’s less valuable at the time, while also potentially clearing me as a civ.

I give you this instead - no yeet today, and if there’s a kill tonight, just kill me and get ahead of a potential problem (I AM a civ but I won’t care at that point after being so wrong). But if there isn’t a kill then let’s kill Scirrus. And even in the dreaded scenario that he and I were a team, the whole thing would’ve only been a loss for the mafia team and a net win for civilians (who didn’t lose anyone).

Are there any issues with this plan? Let me know.

Third scenario - I’m scum but he isn’t. He’s lynched, then it’s potentially a 3v3 and town loses (yeah that’s a fucking risk with anyone) or a 4v2 and there’s the votes to lynch me, so I still offer myself to go after Scirrus. Unless I also killed that night and it’s a 3v2 and I can make sure there isn’t a lynch. Ah who fucking cares. It’s all a risk.

I forget if KZA’s role is just a pardon or also switch. That could be used against me in that scenario, or if he’s my teammate, say fingersplints’ block against me or the suspected teammate. idfk. I’m sure there’s a strategy to cover most potential holes.

I think Scirrus might be a better option that Poison if it comes to that. If I weren’t me I would be especially suspicious of the last post he made - say it’s me and Scirrus and maybe a third who are the mafia, and we’ve just been hiding a kill for the right time.

7 players left. We yeet Poison (possibly civ in this scenario) and it’s a 3v3 or 4v2, which a well placed kill could bring down to 3v2, but then you also have my double vote. In this scenario, given both of us were mafia, I could use my extra vote to finish the game for scum. Then you should be yeeting me. Scirrus would be prefer himself to be killed, because he’s less valuable at the time, while also potentially clearing me as a civ.

I give you this instead - no yeet today, and if there’s a kill tonight, just kill me and get ahead of a potential problem (I AM a civ but I won’t care at that point after being so wrong). But if there isn’t a kill then let’s kill Scirrus. And even in the dreaded scenario that he and I were a team, the whole thing would’ve only been a loss for the mafia team and a net win for civilians (who didn’t lose anyone).

Are there any issues with this plan? Let me know.

I’m sticking by No Eviction for the whole phase though fuck this maybe Scirrus or Poison tomorrow if nothing happens.

Alternative idea - the only consequential night action has been Scirrus’ kill (thus the only one for which the blocks/protects/etc had a purpose) so maybe he shouldn’t be living among us lol.

Well and Scirrus lol it’s kinda fucked up that he killed a guy...

Alison’s ability was a JOKE because she had nothing to discover. Nobody else has been shown to actually do anything (except me and apparently KZA who can also act during the day - precisely for an event like this. The day phase is the only battleground and the two options are unity and discord).

If I had more balls I would just say... just yeet me then, fuck me over, see that I’m a civ, then win the game or progress the story to achieve whatever there is to achieve.

But I don’t want that! Let’s stand together this one time at least and the if nothing happens then yeah I guess I deserve to be yeeted / wouldn’t know how to get the town to win anyway.

There is no evidence that the mafia exists besides the word of a swindler that was set up as the story’s villain before the game even started. The same swindler that’s trying to get rid of our homes, for whom we are obstacles, and who sowed distrust and then told us we could evict each other. I don’t see why we should. None of you has caused me any harm, and it doesn’t look like you will (I mean an eviction would be really shitty but it’s avoidable...).

So basically, story-wise, if there isn’t a kill, then is there a problem? Why should we empty the whole development?

If you do what I say after yeeting me and win that way I better get some kind of honorary banner...

Has anybody had something happen to them behind the scenes (unrelated to your role / actions)? Like out of thread events? I haven’t, but we should figure out right now if there’s anything happening besides what we’re all looking at in the thread aka our repeated failure to find scum.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:01 pm I would be shocked the key to this game lies in town collectively choosing to NO EVICT

because it's effectively rewarding not searching for mafia. Which seems against the spirit of the game?

Do people have any thoughts on this?

@Enrique @Epignosis @fingersplints @JaggedJimmyJay @KZA @Poison

If it isn’t do you think it could hurt us? Especially without a kill at night?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:07 pm

Hell On eArth

The newly elected board members stormed down the hallway of the township building in pursuit of the Lenker brothers. The angry voices of their fellow homeowners echoed out the meeting room doors and down the hall.

The meeting had been a total shit show, which wasn’t too far from the norm for the Lenkers, but this was a new low. They came prepared to pull a fast one at light speed, and their lawyer certainly made that possible. It wouldn’t have surprised them if this was how they dealt with all of the neighborhoods they swindled into existence. The Lenkers’ lawyer knew all the tricks of parliamentary procedure and moved the transition of governance of Piano Estates over to the homeowners in exactly 17 minutes and 12 seconds.

The greedy property management representative, who they would later learn was a cousin of the Lenker boys, seemed to take glee in raising his price every time someone interjected during his three minutes. He priced himself out of the market quickly and also lit a fire under the homeowners to push through a half-assed election of officers that was both contentious and controversial. Nobody felt good about how things went down, and the new board was going to make sure the Lenkers knew that before they could slither off into the night for good.

“Just what in the hell was that you just pulled?” one of the board member yelled at the Lenkers as they climbed into the overcompensating oversized pickup trucks.

“A business transaction,” Corey Lenker replied from the safety of his truck.

“Our lawyer has copies of all the necessary documents for you,” Justin Lenker replied. “Maybe you should go back inside and start reading them.”

“Maybe I should drag you out of that truck and kick your ass right here in the parking lot, you beady-eyed piece of shit,” another board member shouted. To be fair, both Lenker brothers were indeed beady-eyed pieces of shit.

“Look,” Corey Lenker said, “we’re sorry about the abruptness of all this, but we have no choice. We want out and we’ve sold more than enough of the required homes in Phase 3 to execute our rights as developers.”

There was a curious look in Corey’s pale eyes. For the first time, the board members saw none of the usual calculation and scheming they were accustomed to. This was the look of raw fear.

“Why?” someone shouted. “Just tell us why so suddenly and help us understand.”

“I’ll tell you why,” Corey replied.

“Corey, don’t” Justin interjected.

“We’re out because it’s not safe for us anymore.”

“Corey, shut up,” Justin barked.

“What the hell does that mean?” asked someone else.

“We don’t need to be mixed up with the mob, okay?”

“God dammit Corey,” Justin screamed.

“The mob?” someone laughed. “Really?”

“Yeah,” Corey sneered. “Some of you assholes have connections that we want nothing to do with.”

“Who told you that?” another board member asked.

“Word gets around, Corey said. “Developers compete but we also talk to each other. Everybody has connections and we’ve got wind of some of the people we’ve sold to. We’re out, now good night.” He rolled his window up and started his truck.

“Oh now you shut your fat face,” Justin groaned.

Three of the board members stepped in front of Justin’s truck, just in case he was thinking of taking off suddenly. He could be the reasonable one, if you applied the right amount of pressure.

“And what are we supposed to do about this information?” someone asked him. “You know word will get around. People are going to panic and turn on each other.”

“I’ll offer you this,” Justin said. “Anyone buying a home with an HOA is bound to the covenants, by-laws, and use restrictions whether they read them or not. End of story.”

“What does that mean?”

“Go read your covenants and pay special attention to page 37. There’s a little something in there that might help you when you sort out who’s who. Good night folks and good luck.”

The board members stepped away, not satisfied but aware that the Lenkers would be of no more use to them this evening. Their trucks pulled away, growling with all the overpowered diesel fury that money could buy to cover up their insecurities.

“Now what?” someone asked.

“Let’s get reading.”

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MAKE SURE TO READ THE RULES, AS THEY WILL BE ENFORCED.

The Lenker Brothers are the baddies. They set us up to turn on each other and abuse the eviction clause on page 37. The host is the baddie and we must rebel.