The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:I was refering to this. i admit i thought I'd written more and LC was obviously civ. Even so you were outed and played on it by solving your secrets guaranteeing trust all around
Snow Dog wrote:Here's a scenario for you.

LC outed Mp as the Doc and MP didn't deny it. In fact he posted his secrets. But what if LC isn't a Doctor companion but a recruiter? And Mp is recruited! So what I great idea to reveal to all the Doctor....no greater civ cred than that!
Anyway it is what it is. A possibility. I could be way off.

I don't think LC would replace back in if he'd been the recruiter. Issues with knowledge.

Snow Dog wrote:Look Hedge, sweet Hedge. Just recruit me too so I can win as well!!!

Who else is on this team?

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.
And the truth is you actually don't.

Why do you think MP is recruited?

She died N3, I died N4

However, MM may have been recruited by the Master.

That's true but if we're talking concrete facts the lynch switch isn't one. It's possible it was a prize.

Not many people about ATM, still don't know how I'm voting. I'd like to hear thoughts.

It could be though, the Valeyard is original series and he's being used in the posts. Are good recruiters a thing?

That's possible, Chris. I suppose one would be good and one bad. Only thing that makes me doubt it is that the guardians are original series, and every revealed role is revival series.

No, thats why I'm asking if you believe him.

I'm struggling in this game. I'm questioning whether I believe all the role hints because nobody is challenging them. Only the cybers would know they're false if they found the role with their checks.

There are a few out there since he came under suspicion. Devil, circle must be broken etc.

DFaraday wrote:Serving humans is my sole purpose.

He lives to serve. He may be telepathic.

So, Chris and keys, you don't buy DF's hints?

SVS:I have her pegged as a civ role but obviously, like anyone, she could still be recruited. However, I don't understand why this Mickey thing is a big deal. Even if she did know, what does that prove exactly? Snow Dog 1.0 was not recruited. Unless she's been dropping bogus hints and she's a Cyber (i.e. on team with rolechecker). I don't see what the link is supposed to be with her possibly being the recruiter. Nobody has called her on her hints, maybe not many have noticed, but like Chris' hints this makes me think she is who she is.

DFaraday: I couldn't find the hint from yesterday or whenever, but I got the one from today. Most fans of the show will have. It's a convenient time to drop a hint, AFTER you're suspected, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it. I'd like to hear your thoughts on others.

Blooper: She is very quiet and possibly isn't very interested, though I look forward to her keeping up from now on. She is hard to read because she's been so quiet, and that kind of makes it hard not to suspect she may be being quiet for a reason. That's just the way it is, quiet people will come under suspicion for that reason.

Snow Dog: keys defence of you being caught in a tight spot may be correct but you must admit that aligning yourself so closely to Bass does not look good at all. Can you explain why you'd do this if you didn't know his role or at least have had him pegged him for a good role? I want to believe you because you seem so frustrated sometimes it makes me believe you but my brain is telling me you must be connected with Bass.

Recruits: I can see Dom's point, but I still don't think MP can be recruited. Just doesn't seem fair that he could be to me. It's just a fact that I'm more likely to trust those I am fairly certain have specific roles. My reasoning is that while some may be recruits, I am at least certain they have civ roles. This buys me more trust than somebody whose role is a mystery to me.

That's all I have for now. I'm uncertain how I'm voting today but it won't be for SVS. Chris, I respect your detective skills, I just feel you've missed a clue. That clue casts doubt on your paradigm of SVS' recruitment team.

Linki x 7 or whatever - Guess the clue is apparent.

Haven't had much time today and I've just got home, so I'll catch up later.

Not sure what to make of Elo dying, doesn't strike me as an obvious choice, but maybe the Cybers felt they were safe from suspicion and just killed off a quiet player. Dunno. MM was obvious I suppose.

Think this game is getting too much for me now :P I have no idea who is good and who is bad. Guess roles don't matter anymore! I'm too old for this.

Bass wasn't recruited. Dunno where this leaves us.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What if I told you that I was honestly going to start a new spreadsheet?

I would believe you. Baddies and civs both use spreadsheets to figure things out.

Are those people playing as they normally would?

*newb*

Of course. The questions I'm asking him I don't expect honest answers to, I just want to see what he'll say.

Linki - you not Bass? You voted for him yesterday. I'm not sure on a Bass vote either, just wondering what your thoughts are.

Mind games or not, lying or not, we can form our own opinions on what he says. He is at the very least a window into his team, which is all we have on them at the moment.

A few of them are quite under-the-radar, but vocal enough to pass as engaged in the game. Others don't seem to be. If any of them are bad, we'll have a hard time finding out without abandoning reason.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
zeek wrote:You've not done much to reassure us your on the civ side, MM, and if you weren't still recruited you'd be helping us by suspecting your former teammate(s).
Sorry that I don't have names. I had a spreadsheet at one point, but I haven't kept up with it since before I was lynched. I didn't think I would be around very long, but I clearly misread that.

Who do you think the Master is?

You don't have the names out your teammate(s)?

I'm not sure. There's a case to be made that Bass is the Master. DFaraday, while a weak case, is possible. Other than those two only a handful of players also have a NK survival but have had people speak up a bit more in their defense. It could be someone hiding, with all three lives remaining.

You've not done much to reassure us your on the civ side, MM, and if you weren't still recruited you'd be helping us by suspecting your former teammate(s).

I don't believe you.

Who do you think is the Master, MM?

LOL Chris, surely that would be a good thing? You wanted the Master yesterday!

I don't know if it was a stop or a fail, but if we lynch Bass AGAIN and he isn't the Master then the numbers are really fucking against us!

Sorry Chris, RL got in the way there. The switch/stop do seem like likely recruiter powers, given the lack of kill. But does that mean Bass is just a distraction? Probably.

I agree with SVS' assessment of Dana/LC.

That is possible, LC, but I question whether the recruiter would want the whole cyber team. Seems like if more than one was lynched the jig would be up and it seems a little too obvious Bass and Snowy are lynchable. Then again, it would have been done a while ago when neither had heat.

I think Chris was excited you were back because you were in agreement over a fair few things before your death, and now you're not.

Well why would the recruiter want to stop Bass' lynching twice? I find it curious that the switch was used first. If they were wanting to waste a day and still have Bass lynched the following day, surely using the stop first would have made him appear more Master-like?

I guess I mean a consensus from the people I generally trust. But they include people you don't, so I dunno.

Did I miss who those three amigos where?

I don't think your theories are retarded, for the record. I just don't know if I believe DFaraday is the Master. I think we can still come out on top here, but we need to get either a recruit or the Master on the next lynch to make some headway. I'm willing to ignore the Cyber threat for now if the consensus is that they've not been recruited.

Are we sure Bass is not the Master? Was the switch a prize from the poetry contest, designed to buy Bass an extra life?

So could you Chris, and your role is a good one to recruit.

Snowy, I guess he could regenerate later but I was dead for four cycles. If I was the master, the game would be so unfair it'd be untrue.

It's safe to safe Turnip Head 1.0 was civ, because if he had been Cyber they wouldn't have let him come back in a civ role. Like your "no opinion" on me haha. I'd like to point out I can't be the Master either

What I meant by getting the Cyber kill was infiltrate through one member, just to ensure they're not killed themselves, if that makes sense. But, yeah, the Master might have been a better option for recruitment. Just so difficult to pin down who that might be with all the NK survivals.

linki - Thats true, Chris, I think the Master is a priority at the juncture.

Well, logically the recruitment team would go after a killer. Seen as the Cyber men inheritted the Dalek kill after the recruited Roxy was lynched, so surely it's likely at least one of them is recruited? Or the Master, or both. If that's the case, we're pretty fucked, and the only solution is to go after the Cyber men to eliminate their most frequent kill. But that leaves a tough Master to kill.

And welcome back Long Con

Snow Dog wrote:Great game though if a bit stressing and when I was posting this morning I had been drinking and was sooooo tired. How do you manage it Zeek?

I went to bed quite soon after you. And I don't drink :P

My immediate thought after reading that post was that Bass was the Master and had won the switch as a prize. Why didn't anyone else think this? but its also possible he is Cyber/recruited and somebody is protecting him. This game is beginning to hurt my brain!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, Bass, you're simplifying the arguments against you. Just because someone is accused of having accurate "baddie hunting" skills due to being on a team with a rolechecker, does NOT mean that everyone that person suspects is bad. Baddies obviously want civvies dead too.

So I frankly don't trust anything coming out of a baddie's mouth. Who knows what it could be? I did that for even a second earlier with MM and threw out that possibility of TH 2.0 being The Master and I couldn't have been more wrong.

Linki: Precisely, that's my thoughts on the matter anyway.
Just because you don't know where I'm aligned does not mean that we don't want the same thing.

What do you want?

Okay, thank you, Snow Dog. Sorry to keep you up. I don't really know anybody so I guess my instincts may not be as good as others, and they were down right shitty the first three lynches. I'll try to keep an open mind, but if Bass flips Cyber you seem to be about the only person whose outright said you don't think he's bad... so it'll seem like you're his teammate to me.

keys, if Bass is Cyber why don't you think Snow Dog is? Would you expect distancing and SD to throw him under the bus?

zeek wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?
What makes you more sure of those two, over Bass?

I'm glad you trust me but I feel like if I disagree with you you'll say I've been recruited as well. I haven't, I'm the same old loveable zeek.

You never answered me, Snowy

The recruitment team will be hard to pin down, so where do we start? Must be 2-4, whether MM is recruited to them or the Master.

Snow Dog wrote:Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?

What makes you more sure of those two, over Bass?

I'm glad you trust me but I feel like if I disagree with you you'll say I've been recruited as well. I haven't, I'm the same old loveable zeek.

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?
i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.

For me, you seem to align yourself with Bass and he seems suspect. Do you not find him suspicious?

I just think we need a stronger case, I presume Strax and the Cybers will targets him tonight so we'll have an answer then

Going back to Bass. Sorry Chris.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.
Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.
How are you feeling about DF being The Master at the moment?

I don't know. It's less clear cut than the cybers. I think there is more than just Elo who could be in the frame for the Master. I want to lynch a baddies and Bass seems to have better odd of flipping bad. The longer the game goes on, the stronger the master is however.

DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.

Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.

Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.

S~V~S wrote:
zeek wrote:
Chris wrote:If Elo is Sarah Jane, then her 50/50 could have saved her.
That's not who I have as Sarah Jane.
Thats not who I have as Sarah Jane, either

I thought not.

You're right. This looks bad. Lot of NO U's.

You're not wrong but the only confirmed baddie is MM. You seem quite genuine atm, I may have to switch back.

linki - You suspect DF for agreeing with you?

Chris wrote:If Elo is Sarah Jane, then her 50/50 could have saved her.

That's not who I have as Sarah Jane.

DF, who do you think the Master is? Surely he's likely going to be under the radar, like yourself, so how else can a case be formed?

Yeah, maybe, I was wrong about who I thought Jackie was as well.

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