The Syndicate

Jules, were you silenced?

Excellent lynch Glad I contributed finally haha.

I can remember MP is possibly silenced, who were the other two?

I'm going to vote for bea, because I think she's trustworthy and loves Doctor Who.

Haven't really got time to catch and I won't have a chance to post/vote before the deadline. I doubt a catchup is necessary though, seen as Bass isn't around.

Voting Bass, because I just feel better about Dom.

Made wrote:This all does fit nicely in the idea of Dom being Hattie. No one has claimed hatter effect because doing so would reveal who Tyler was if hatter is lynched today. Tbh this feels like a stretch. I agree that Dom has seemed passive this game relative to how he normally does me.
As for Bass spot read, I don't have one. He wasn't on my radar, which is suspicious in it's own right.
Now reading through Bass and Dom.

You know, I never really game any cred to the theory of Dom being the Hatter, but it does make sense that.

Going into the last lynch I felt a lot better about Dom, however he missed the vote and Bass did not. I don't remember Dom saying why he missed the lynch. Bass did vote DF and maybe he thought it was a foregone conclusion, but Cyclops' vote is worth 3 and DF had a -3. So, perhaps the voting isn't as worth as much as I thought in terms of when people voted. I'm relatively happy Bass isn't a Suit is what I'm saying.

DF voters *

RIP FZ, quite sure you were civ. This meant to set up DH voters #1-4 maybe.

Obviously we'll get into this a bit more in D4. I think the focus will more likely be on non-DF voters like myself and that's fair.

I agree DH and Daisy may be good places to start but disagree over DF votes #1-4. DH and Boom had 2 votes while DF had 1. It was nowhere near a sure thing at the time of that 4th vote. Much easier to vote for DH or Boom at that point.

sabie's logged in a couple of times since N1, the other two have. Don't know what to make of that, hope everything is okay.

FZ - True, but that would make any sort of analysis of the voting yesterday null and void. I don't believe that is the case.

Thanks Epi, I'll stay up a bit longer then and see how tired I get

Epi, what time should we expect a night post? Wondering whether to stay up or not.

For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.

Well done guys on voting DF!

I'm happy with TH getting the helmet, but I fear people lying about who they're voting for.

S~V~S wrote:Yes, why would you think it wasn't? I looked it up and that helmet magnifies powers. SinceMMs power was the power of self protection, I thought it was worth asking.

I'd say it's a good chance the helmet magnifies powers, as it does in the comics. It kinda also shows Prof X whose mutant, so maybe it might show friend or foe to whoever gets it.

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote: I'm CHANGING my vote, Epi, from S~V~S to DharmaHelper.

Why did you address Epi here?

Because I was telling him I was changing, incase he wasn't poll-watching.

Gonna be really honest with you guys, I'm on the fence on who to vote for and I am not inclined to investigate any further to come up with a really good reason to vote one way or another. I've just asked my girlfriend's parents for their blessing to ask her to marry me. They said yes and were over the moon! But that's left me wanting to enjoy the night with her when she gets back from the gym.

I don't want to waste my vote but my reasoning here is not going to be strong.

I'm CHANGING my vote, Epi, from S~V~S to DharmaHelper.

I feel as though DH is hanging onto his suspicion of Made because the forced vote thing was a way to justify a vote without really justifying it. Out of the people I've been looking I just feel the least comfortable with his gameplay at the moment. That's all I've got. It's poor, but that's it.

Have a great night guys, I know I will

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seemed set on dismissing? Yeah, I suppose you could say that, because I didn't comprehend any logical reason that he would lie as a baddie.

I don't understand how it was very un-MP-like, but if you think that, then I don't know what else to say about it.

Where are you looking right now?

It was logic enough for 8 people. I'm not going to beat you over the head with this but I just don't see why you didn't give it more consideration. But there you go, we've reached an impasse on that.

I don't know who to really look at right now. Got 5 people on my shortlist: Boom, DH, DF, Rox and yourself.

What I mean is you speculated on the possiblities surrounding Made but really seemed set on dismissing him lying. The way you addressed that possibility was not the same as you addressed the others. Whether you thought it was weak or not, you didn't not give them an even look, which I found very un-MP-like.

You're right about the wand actually. Don't say anything, better you don't discuss it.

Elo - Thanks for explaining a bit more, which you didn't really do before. Happy with that response.

Made - I agree in part over DH. Having come over from suspecting you now, I can see where DH was coming from but I think he's still carrying over his suspicion despite new evidence. Feels like he's finding a reason to still suspect you.

Snowy, I can see what you're saying but I just don't know in what context they would use that in a chatroom.

S~V~S wrote:We only missed CAH one night~ there are blocks, dropped PMs etc. I would be more convinced of that re BR when there is no CAH 2 nights in a row. Plus there have been 2 NKs right?

We've not got results back from the first CAH submissions, as far as we know anyway. We should have heard something about that before the second NK, right?

Also, I'm not questioning your vote for MP. Your reasoning seems genuine to me but I'd like your opinions on the others, as I seem to remember a few who didn't even post but voted that way.

S~V~S wrote:And I think TH is silenced. Zeek, what time did you get your PM? I was wondering about one or two others being possibly silenced, but they made a post or so after the Night Post. So it is possible they also got late PMs, or did not check their inbox. There is not a pop up notification in the light theme.

I got my PM at 12:47am GMT, 8 mins after the night post. Didn't see it until after I'd replied to MP's huge post, so it's possible others didn't see a PM as well.

I think maybe rewyas has been afflicted by some sort of curse, posting only in pics like someone said. Though didn't someone fake this in Python maybe? Dunno, either way I'd like to hear more from him through his pics.

I'm still unsure where I stand on some people.

bea, Dom and S~V~S - Despite the disparity in your views, I find myself agreeing with you two the most. I'd like to know your thoughts on how easily MP racked up votes for the wand. With BR probably being the Card Czar (due to the CAH stuff stopping), it's likely all baddies were alive during the N2 poll and yet MP was the only person who got over 5 votes. What do you think of the MP voters?

DF and Snowy - I'd like to hear who you trust and suspect.

DH - What are your thoughts on Made now? Top three suspects?

Elo - Got a reason for voting me yet?

Made - What are your reactions to those critical of your forced voting?

MP - Ultimately you were correct on Made's voting but I still feel the MP I know would have speculated a bit more on him being a baddie. You detailed a number of scenarios and the only one you really commented on in a significant way was him being a baddie, which you dismissed quickly. Can you also provide us anything on what happened with the wand?

Roxy - You've been a bit defensive over the past few days and I don't wish to make you continue this, but I found some of your comments confusing. Do you think we should be looking at the people who lynched MM and llama? Wasn't sure if it was sarcasm.

sabie12 - I saw you were online last night but did not post (possibly didn't even come onto the thread), got anything to say?

That's all I got for now. Still rereading the rest of you :P

*mean

S~V~S wrote:Waiting for me to make a Federal Case out of it, aren't you?

What does that me :P

Moving my vote, cause I gotta a few times.

I have no actual intention of remaining on you, S~V~S, I just know you'll be mature enough to understand.

Kinda starting from scratch today as I've thrown the Made stuff out after last night's events. Dunno where to start tbh.

Roxy wrote:Also last time SVS and MP trusted each other turned out bad if I remember correctly.

They trusted each other in Who before MP was recruited even. Not sure it's an indication of anything.

I was concerned, Dom, but I have to rethink everything now anyway :P

Also, I fear BR may have been the Card Czar. No CAH stuff tonight.

I don't have to vote anyone in particular, I just have to change my vote during the day. Hence, I've self-voted.

No shapes, no

It's different. My vote isn't forced.

Yeah, I suppose so. It's not a secret role anyway, it's the Mad Hatter at work here. My vote is not forced, but I gotta change it up.

Sorry Made, should have believed you.

Don't know where this leaves me on everyone else. I'll think about that in the morning.

linki - The quote.

Okay, so I am making the biggest U-turn in the world ever. Made wasn't lying.

And the Mad Hatter is a very naughty boy.

Oh ffs. Standby.

Fuck it, I'm awake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

zeek wrote:Llama was a civ and Made's alignment is unknown. I am far more comfortable voting for somebody who voted for Made purely because we know for certain they weren't trying to save a teammate.

MP, you said earlier you don't trust me. Who do you trust?

Civilians vote civilians all the time.

What about the MM v. DH vote? We know MM was civilian. DH's alignment is unknown. Why aren't you factoring that into your analysis at all?

I don't trust anyone, frankly. I do, however, at the moment feel most relatively OK about Turnip Head, reywaS, and S~V~S.

I'm not discussing the MM v. DH vote because DH hasn't had the same stink on him that Made has over this forced vote. I've not forgotten it, it's simply not relevant to where we are in the game right now. Civs do vote civs all the time, but thats not really saying anything, is it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:This reminds me of the argument that we used to our advantage in DW about how my role (The Doctor) could never be recruited.

The truth is we don't know what could possibly go on this game, especially since it's a Champions game.

Nonetheless, I understand you raise a good counterpoint.

How do you feel about the possibilities regarding Made that I brought up previously?
1) Made info dumped and got in trouble with Epig, but this hasn't been confirmed due to host interference.
2) Made is cursed. Of course, he would have to argue he wasn't cursed.
3) Made is a civilian, lying, because he's pulling a gambit. Even though almost no player would do this, I could see Made doing it.

Of course, I realize 4) is that Made is a baddie and lying, and I do wonder if this is the case, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced it is true. What benefit does Made have in this scenario? He brought so much attention unnecessarily to himself. The only reason I would think he would do this is if he is on a baddie team with someone who was really hot and wanted to take attention away from them -- someone such as Boomslang or DH.

How does it remind you of the unrecruitable Doctor scenario? The arguments are completely different. You're right, we don't know what could possibly be happening, so why are you so quick to accept what Made has said at face value?

You say yourself you think Made could be pulling a gambit as a civ, so why wouldn't he do it as a baddie? You have me worried right now because you seem eager to consider every alternative and the only one you're providing commentary on here is him being bad (which you dismiss almost entirely). Scenarios 1-4 are all possible, but I really doubt 1 and 2.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What happens if we lynch him and he flips civilian? How would this affect how you view other players?

Same way it'll change yours if he's lynched and he's bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why those three? Especially LC and Dom.

You think I'm easy to trust?

I do think you're easy to trust. People know you, they like you, you're a leader and they know you love mafia.

Why those three? I think LC and S~V~S have both played a very balanced game and seem like their civvie selves. Dom seems very even-handed to me, is asking all the right questions and I find myself agreeing with most of what he says.

Linki to fuck.

So did I get my times wrong and night has only just ended?

linki - i'll respond tomorrow MP, too tired right now

linki 2 - guess that answered that.

Night is ending in ten mins isn't it? Alarm isn't far away.

I don't have much trust in anyone at the moment. LC, Dom and S~V~S are probably the three I trust the most right now.

I just don't see what it is MP has done to qualify for such trust. He's easy to trust, I get that, but that'sexactly why I'm wary of him.

Looks like the wand is MP's. I have no reason to suspect him, just wary over what I perceive to be a behaviour change but then S~V~S says its a return to past behaviour, so... dunno.

Hope this isn't a bad move.

I mean I don't think there is a staunch trust in Dom Seemingly in MP, but not Dom.

Staunch trust of Dom?

I'd prefer Dom to have the wand over MP. I just feel as though if this was Who MP would be all over Made right now. So I'll switch to Dom if he has a better chance at the wand.

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:Can we all just acknowledge how much emphasis Epi puts on game balance? Good, now lets think about how Boddy hasn't blackmailed Made, because Made could not tell us if that had happened... cool, now lets think about an unknown blackmailer whose blackmailing can be revealed. Seem fair? Seem balanced? Not in my opinion.

Are you a No. 2 Pencil during Finals Week?

Cause boy you better have a damn fine point.

Point being I doubt Epi would have one rule for Boddy and one rule for some other blackmailing role.

Snow Dog wrote:I think FZ makes very good points. I didn't vote Made simply because I don't see the logic of his actions if he was bad. Plus he seems to be a player that people are always suspicious of. Having said that I don't know who to vote the wand to.

Exactly why I think this makes more sense if Made is bad. He's used to getting suspected and going out early. I think he's just rolled the dice and tried something different.

I just think most people are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt.

Can we all just acknowledge how much emphasis Epi puts on game balance? Good, now lets think about how Boddy hasn't blackmailed Made, because Made could not tell us if that had happened... cool, now lets think about an unknown blackmailer whose blackmailing can be revealed. Seem fair? Seem balanced? Not in my opinion.

FZ. wrote:Can I ask a general question? Out of all the players here, who would you all say is the best at sniffing out baddies?

I've only played a couple of games here but MP is good when he's on the up-and-up (but that's difficult to tell).

Llama was a civ and Made's alignment is unknown. I am far more comfortable voting for somebody who voted for Made purely because we know for certain they weren't trying to save a teammate.

MP, you said earlier you don't trust me. Who do you trust?

I don't want to vote for a llama lyncher either. I think I trust LC a bit more than the others, but only slightly.

Elohcin wrote:right...I did say those things and I stand behind them. I still don't believe him about the forced vote. I call it shenanigans. Even in the post where I voted for you I said even if he is fibbing, doesn't make him bad. I'm not saying he definitely isn't bad. I am just saying I find you more suspicious than him. But, whatevs. I'm not pressing the situation anymore. Why are you so paranoid that one little 'ol Eloh finds you suspish?

I'm not paranoid, I'm annoyed. You're still not saying why you find me suspicious, at least pretend to have a reason.

Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.

Vote for me then

You also said:

Elohcin wrote:Made, I know you are my tag teammate, but I have to say that I don't believe you either :/. This will be my last post for the evening. The kids are sleeping soundly in their beds which means I need to get some rest. And I know it will be difficult to sleep well tonight.

Elohcin wrote:My thoughts exactly. And, are you sure you're even allowed to tell us your vote was forced? You telling us it was forced makes me think you are making it up b/c I thought you were not allowed to share that kind of info.
linki: I am already under the thick sack of blankets Yay for laptops

But whatever, I'm not debating u-turns. Fact is the first time you even mention my name is in voting for me. That's not right.

Nice jobs, guys. RIP llama.

Are we supposed to vote who we trust to have the wand?

Well I'm going to bed. Bit annoyed I've got my first vote on here for literally no reason. Elo completely u-turned on Made and just threw her vote on me. Weak.

I'm happy with my vote for Made. He's lied. If we're letting everyone off with proved lies then what the hell are we doing in this game?

Elohcin wrote:I've reread some people (I know there isn't much to go on) and my gut tells me Zeek is bad. And him voting 4th for Made makes sense if my theory of a civvie Made is correct.

*votes zeek*

Well I can't dispute gut, can I? I presume this weak ass vote is so that you don't have to vote your teammate. Welcome to the list.