The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

Thats between a man and his wallet.

Chris, all of that may be true, I was dead and not following with full attention.

I think Dom is the Master. I've said all along it was possible he could be the recruiter and you have negated that possibility.

keys56000000000 wrote:I believe that you believe it, I just think you're going off half-cocked.

I get you don't like when people push too hard (N1 for example) so I might as well give up trying to convinced you.

keys56000000000 wrote:Question for all: What do we know about Zeek? I feel like he's been getting a pass because he was rezzed.

I've made my case. Believe me or not.

I don't think your interpretation is correct. Dom remains the only person not pegged as a role out of those Epi voters and whoever MM was with wouldn't have missed it. It ended a draw, on the surface, this is the only thing that makes sense.

keys56000000000 wrote:You get support by making reasonable cases that other players agree with, doofus.

keys56000000000 wrote:Haha, that's so funny coming from you. I disagree that Zeek's case is based on nothing. His interpretation of the votes seems solid and reasonable to me.

You've changed your tune pretty quickly. You have your opinion, I have mine. Insults are not necessary. I don't really see a case for Hedgeowl presented though.

How I am supposed to garner support without pushing?

You're forcing the issue asking people not to vote for somebody. If they think there's stronger evidence to vote for Dom, let them.

I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.

No, you're allowed RL. Of course you've just confirmed it was your only opportunity to vote and save MM.

On the contrary,

Dom's vote for Epi vs MM makes it 4-2 Epi. Does it matter when he places his vote if he knows he's not voting MM?

Roxy I am less sure of as I believe Dom is the Master, but if he votes early he can avoid explaining his vote. WIFOM though, I know.

Lets be respectful here. He's belittled my case but Chris is valuable to the game. Although this has me wondering.

Chris wrote:Lol... I won't be strong armed into a vote zeek...

I may or may not vote for Dom. But I am going to stay curious how you knew he was bad. Not think he's bad... you know he's something, and I don't think you got there just from thread info.

Vote how you want Chris, I'm not strong-arming anyone. Stay curious.

Also, I could meaninglessly analyse every vote of Dom's and you'd still be able to argue the toss. Guess what? The only votes that even matter are the MM and Roxy ones. The Master or recruiter can't be traced from any other day.

My point is I'm simply not a noob. This ain't my first dance. I'm good at finding them later in the game.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt before but all you've given me here is a put down. Ranting and raving is not the same as trying to drum up support.

You're worried I have info? And yet you're not voting Dom? Make your mind up.

I'm not a noob. I've found a lot of baddies leading lynches in mid-to-endgame in the past. You don't like my case, fine.

It's really funny that you think it's based on nothing, because your cases have had far less substance. The voting is there, which you've based your cases on before. It worries me you're trying to discredit that.

I don't know, I was dead and only skimming. A few at least.

I would have agreed with you if I could. I don't think whoever recruited MM would have missed the vote. There was no telling he'd be lynched even after the poll closed. I'm of the mind that MM was with the Master and Dom fits the bill.

linki - You're the delusional one, Dom. The only lie is saying you're not bad. You are.

Chris, what wrong?

keys, why Hedge? He voted to lynch MM. If you think Hedge is the recruiter, MM can't have been recruited by him IMO.

That is fair enough, but whoever MM was recruited by had no need to throw him under the bus. It was 7-7 without extra hidden votes.

Which case do you find the most compelling?

That is a mistake, keys, the long we wait the longer it'll take to get him out the game. He's killing tonight.

I don't want the vote spread either. I'm not changing my vote though.

Snowy, yes, he will survive today.

Good, because the Master is bad.

Yeah, you have discussed people but remotely strong opinions? No. You're trying to coast through. My argument is not based on this, however, and when you're lynched everyone will know I was right.

Chris wrote:Dr. Cyber Master Dalek BODY recruiter to be exact...

* Fixed

You speak the truth, dear chap

You're misrepresenting me, Dom.

You could be either, as we don't know who recruited MM. You have brought nothing to the table since MM's rezz. You're in stealth mode. Those lynches are telling.

MP, vote Dom plz. I'm right on this one, I can feel it.

Dom wrote:What even is your argument about the Roxy lynch?

Both of them were recruited. MM could have been recruited by the Master, but the fact you voted against lynching both of them means you could be the recruiter. I think you are the Master, however.

The key here is Metalmarsh. Whether you believe he was recruited by the recruiter or the Master (I'm leaning the latter, given MM's rezz posts), we WAS recruited. The player who recruited him had the chance to save him.

Interestingly Roxy did vote Epignosis and may have tried to save her fellow recruit.

Epignosis 2.0 - 7 votes
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22)

MetalMarsh - 7 votes
MovingPictures07 (7), DFaraday (8), juliets (13), Epignosis (16), Snow Dog (17), Elohcin (20), Hedgeowl (21)

Dom is the only player I believe voted to save MM. I believe he's the Master, but he could easily be the recruiter. Let's look at Roxy's lynch:

Chris - 3 votes
Dom (7), sabie12 (8), DFaraday (14)

DFaraday - 2 votes
keys56000000000 (18), Hedgeowl (21)

Roxy - 9 votes
MovingPictures07 (10), Epignosis (11), Chris (12), Turnip Head (15), nijuukyugou (16), Snow Dog (17), Black Rock (19), Elohcin (22), Long Con (23)

Now, Roxy gained an easy majority. Only Chris and DFraday took the other votes that day. Dom was one of the other votes, the first vote out of living players.

He is the way we have to vote today if we still want to win this game. Lynching a cyberman won't help us. Please, vote Dom!

Your thoughts on Dom are my thoughts on Ninju. I think she'd have kept up more if she was the Master.

DF's hints aren't being refuted by anybody, same way yours have not been. (Side note: Except SVS did question your hint every time Sarah Jane was mentioned, which is why I had her as that role ever since.)

You've been the most active in finding the recruiter. Based on the MM lynch, don't you think Dom could be the recruiter even if you do believe DF is the Master?

Dom wrote:I cannot believe how dense you're being.

We shall see, and I expect you to retract this statement when we do.

I don't much care whether baddies are annoyed. I've died once, if I have to die again after finding the Master, I will.

Dom wrote:I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

I get enough guilt trips at home, accept your fate, Master.

NO U. Do it, go on.

Last word.

Nothing, don't say anything.

Okay Dom, whatever you say. I've got you, you're bad.

Okay guys, you're unconvinced he's the Master? What about the recruiter?

I still think there's something to him trying to stop me decoding the Master's secrets, but look at the Epi 1.0 lynch again.

Roxy and Metalmarsh voting the same way. A big question mark over Dom.

I think he's the Master, but there's a chance he's the recruiter even if I am wrong.

Dom, enough of this, you are the Master.

You're the only unaccounted for vote in my book. You're not even arguing that Metalmarsh was recruited by the recruiter. Why? Because you know he wasn't, because you recruited him.

I have stated my argument. You have said it's WIFOM. Your argument against my argument, is argument enough.

Dom wrote:WIFOM does not make an argument wrong; however, basing an argument on WIFOM makes it an inarguable argument in either direction.

Stating that you cared who was lynched when we were decoding, but didn't when you were voting to lynch Epig 1.0, is illogical.

You're argument that it is WIFOM is argument enough, is it not?

We don't. The fact MM said he wanted the Master dead (for now) makes me believe he he was recruited by the Master.

And that is a response to me saying he isn't getting angry this time, another shrewd move.

Use your hypnosis elsewhere, Time Lord.

And because he knows he can't paint me as the Master, he switches to the focus to Epignosis. Nice, shrewd move.

There's three people reading this thread, not including hiddens. They're not saying anything.

I'm talking about the fact that every vote has a heavily implied or known alignment, except yours.

As for the rest of it, we can argue till the cows come home. You weren't right though and it's funny to me that you're not getting angry like last time we disagreed. You're so caught.

linki - keys, he's the Master.
more linki - Okay, WIFOM. Doesn't make it untrue. Everyone can come to their own conclusion, Master.

Am I going fucking mad here? Nobody else is going to say anything?

He is, isn't he? Dom's the fucking Master.

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%
Roxy - Dalek
SVS - heavily hinted civ, nobody calling her out on her hint
Chris - heavily hinted civ, nobody calling him out on his hint
Dom - ?
Long Con 1.0 - CIV, or couldn't replace back in
Bass - Cyber
Metalmarsh - The Master's best pal.

Only one missing peice to that jigsaw.

Dom, respond to the MM-Epi lynch votes. I almost let you get away with ignoring them

Dom wrote:I'm sorry that's what you think, because it's gonna lead you to a shitty conclusion.

I was right in our argument-- a civvie was lynched because the entire day was spent decoding and none of the day was spent baddie hunting until the last few hours. I believe that was the Epig lynch? Maybe Snow Dog? I don't remember, but I was right. I am interested in killing baddies. I am interested in getting results. Decoding is fine, but we spent almost a whole day doing it just to have a civvie lynched.
I don't know how that's relevant. I thought you were focussing on the Master because you could have been bad. I think I was wrong about that. Sorry?

You were not right. A poor result is a poor result. We could have spent the entire day period talking and nothing could have changed the outcome.

You don't see how somebody criticising somebody else for decoding the Master's secrets is relevant?

I'm not saying I buy Epignosis' "case," but it made me think of this post:

Dom wrote:In addition, while I love the secrets discussion going on, let's not forget that we have to lynch someone and that there are PLENTY of baddie roles to decode here.
I'm actually eyeing zeek for his focus on the Master, ignoring all other baddie roles, and even pointing out that the other baddies' secrets were up...

Which led to my early argument with Dom. Half the day period was left and a part of me still thinks he didn't want us decoding. He accused me of focusing on the Master, worried perhaps? And got pretty pissy with me when I suggested he was discouraging us working on the secrets.

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

Quite frankly, looking at those who voted Epignosis when Metalmarsh was lynched, almost all of those roles are known or heavily hinted at. This has got my attention tbh.

Snow Dog wrote:Sometimes you guys make it hard to like you.

Even me?

Sorry Snow Dog, linki stuff.

Whats your new theory then?