The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:Its weird, I feel like both Epi & Chris are trying to scare us into voting for who they want us to vote for.

I don't feel that way. I think they're just crazy. Batshit, fuckballs crazy.

zeek wrote: keys, if Bass is Cyber why don't you think Snow Dog is? Would you expect distancing and SD to throw him under the bus?

Snow Dog reads as a civ to me; at this point nothing is going to change my mind on that. I feel as strongly about that as I did Chris being a civvie, back when the lynchtrain was headed his way.

Strax: I feel like I am in the three stoges. Please don't kill SD.

Oh, SD's vote is worth three. Should have known.

MP, you have plenty of evidence that Snow Dog is a misguided civilian. Being a misguided civ =/= being bad. What do you mean, Snow linked to Bass? I must have missed that. Although, I am skimming a lot atm. >_>


linki: whose vote is worth three

MP - you still thnk Snow Dog is bad? Come on, man. It is seriously unfair to blame the lynch switch on him. You voted TH, too. You remind of two knuckleheads in a cartoon doing something stupid that backfires, and the minute it does backfire, one knucklehead turns to the other and blames him, even though it was the first knucklehead's idea.

Strax, please don't NK Snow. I'll stake my reputation on Snow Dog being a civilian.

Chris wrote: 2. I didn't like the sound of a DF lynch at the time. I didn't want anything to take the focus off of Bass... at the time.

Shit's changed.

Fucking amazing, lol. I need an aspirin.

Chris wrote:What was it that you suspected him for again keys?

His play was "too perfect"?

And I'm bonkers...

Bonkers and apparently retarded, yes.

I've suspected DF for a while now, so if people want to vote him, that's fine with me. I'm sticking with Bass because I think the most likely scenario is that he's bad and was saved via lynch switch.

SVS MP and I voted Bass early to save DF? I'm the one who has been bringing up DF, now I want to save him? Chris you are bonkers.

I agree that Bass has to go. I think the switch was used to save him. There is a slim chance that he's a civ and it was used by a third party, but that seems really unlikely to me. Lynch switches are basically a free life if you or a teammate is about to be lynched, why waste it saving a civilian?

Where is Bass, anyway? Has he posted? Seems pretty guilty to me, but idk his rl circumstances, could be genuinely busy.

linki: Bea, you guys have done a truly excellent job, I thnk everyone will agree.

MP7, one word on DF? Cautious. The longer a player goes with their cards close to their chest, the more I suspect they have something to hide. Civilians are easier to identify when they let it all hang out. Notice how DF doesn't give his thoughts on the NKs, or gives us his current suspects, or indeed any speculation. He's here to defend himself and that's it.

Chris, you are a big boy. You can handle the heat!

I think it's worth noting that it seems Strax did not target DFaraday. TH pointed out that his insanifier was redirected. While that could have been a secret role, it could have also been The Master's once-a-game redirect-everything power, which would mean DF wasn't Strax's original target.

The fact that he survived Strax's kill still remains, however.

DF, I want to hear a lot more from you. You're currently one of my top suspects. Who are your top suspects? I want to know what you're thinking. A penny for your thoughts, DF.

Chris, I love you, man. Some things:
1) The conclusions you make are insane. If you're a civ, for the love of all that is good, please wake the fuck up. You're going to get other civs killed. Me killed. I don't want to die.
2) I remember a time when multiple consecutive posts were looked down upon. How about a bit of ettiqutte? I said this to MP earlier in the game; things get to the stage where you're posting so much that it feels like you're hijacking the thread, y'know? This is a group experience.
3) Stop being a baby about whether you're playing or not, lol. You know you're having just as much fun playing as everybody else!


Hosts: fingersplints could still replace in.

Balls! I gotta ask, is this the first time you've been killed as a couple in a mafia game, LC & BR? RIP guys. RIP.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote Bass.

Long Con wrote:Oh man, bea has moved the poll! Night post coming! If I die tonight... I love you alllll!

Hold me, LC!

Yes, MP7. Bass, DF, Gotrees, Nijuuhadoken, in that order. I'm fairly confident our Master and CyberController are in that four.

If I die, look towards Bass, DF, Gotrees, Nijuukyoshryuken, and maybe even Dom, Elocin and BR (although I'm more doubtful about those three) as your remaining mafioso.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:keys is a she right? Or did I misread somewhere?

Correct.

bea wrote:

Chris wrote:zeek, aren't you the one who got your panties in a bunch and PMed the Hosts over the me and keys being mean? Funny that you should then post a pic of a pacifier. I like it though... tells me that you might thicken that skin up... The catch is, you've gotta be able to take it too.

Linki

For the record, I don't need pm's form anyone for me to decide that maybe players are being agressive and need to cool off. Even when two players are engaged in some name calling that THEY BOTH ARE OK WITH, (and yes I've seen that happen) it still tends to create a hostile environment for other players not involved in the situation. I, as a player, feel uncomfortable posting in places that feel hostile and I work VERY hard to create a welcoming environment full of fun for ALL my players. (There's a reason I never played on sites like MafiaScum.)

Basically my point is, I ask people to tone it down as a host, if it would have made me feel uncomfortable if I were playing, NOT because someone made me do it.

Now - I have to finish getting ready for work. I wanted to make sure that was CLEARLY understood though before I left the thread again.

I missed this. I don't want to get into any ridiculous drama. Leave me out of it, ok?

Chris wrote: Anyway, even if he didn't mean this game, it's still the first time he's done it in this game. And the first time he votes outside of the norm, it gets switched?

VERY coincidental then...

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that whoever switched the lynch wanted MP to look bad.

You should check out these things called conspiracy theories. You'd like conspiracy theories. Did you know that when man landed on the moon back in 1969, the footage they took on the moon showed no stars in the sky? How freaky is that, right? It's obviously damning evidence that the whole thing was faked in a studio, I don't know why people can't see that.

linki: Or they switched it to TH because TH was much more of an active civilian (and thus, threatening) than Hedgeowl? FFS Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

Chris wrote:By the way. TH suspects SVS is the recruiter, and 12 hours later, he's dead from some mysterious lynch switch.

How am I supposed to let that go?

By appreciating that it is complely possible that that is coincidental? That maybe something fucking else happened?

The most likely explanation is that Bass switched the lynch. If that's the case, Bass is probably laughing his arse off at the way you guys turned on Snow DOg.

I think I'm really done. If other people can't see the shit I'm seeing, if I have to explain shit that looks painfully obvious, and no one else is seeing it...

The reason it looks painfully obvious to you, but not to other people, is because you don't see the complete picture. Like I just told you, the doctor voted for TH before SD, which could have easily swayed SD. But no, MP is involved in the switch, too. Even though it is a lot more likely that they were just misguided, and a third party switched the lynch. Plenty of games have roles that switch lynches, and they don't need to have voted for that player to switch it to them, they can switch to any player. It is by no means unprecendented.

See, you ignore possibilities. Snow was going to vote for you, but then he voted for TH. TH dies in lynch switch, so it's apparently damning evidence that SNow Dog is responsible. Oh, and MP. Couldn't SD have simply changed his mind? You're looking at everything in 2D, when it's 3D. Consider other possibilities, for the love of the mafia gods.

I will not defend you again in this game, it's a thankless chore.

Chris wrote:Your job is to discredit anything I say that goes against the recruited teams goals.

Oh man.

Chris, don't you think it's possible that someone other than those who voted for TH was responsible for the switch?

Chris wrote:

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:
How do you know TH has a night action? And be careful who you think you can trust wwith recruiters.

on mm not you

Snow Dog wrote:@Dom.

I don't know. It seemed to me he was just making suppositions. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote(from me anyway) . Seems we'll find out later either way.

20 minutes later, Snow Dog votes for TH.

If that's not damning... I have no idea what is...

Yeah but then, the fucking doctor voted for TH. Jesus, Chris.

Hedgeowl wrote:Couldn't it have been anyone who switched the lynch? If the save was for Bass, it doesn't have to be Snow does it?

The save didn't even need to be for Bass, it could be the recruiter team messing with us, but I would bet it was Cybers.

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:...and that's terrible. Buggers certainly delusory. RIP verticity 2.0. I Lost Rabbi have any ideas about Miro switched the tillage jaundiced you would think it vlei be bass or Novinha ...and that's terrible.

Thank you for the kind words juliets

Haha, I love you, man. RIP. Good to see you in a game again.

Chris wrote:keys, for the day 8 lynch, Snow was convinced that I was The Master, and that was the day to chip away at me.

Now today, he wouldn't vote me. Why wouldn't he put the vote on me or Bass?

Why did he put his vote on some random person with one vote?

Ask yourself that.

And if you say "maybe he thought TH was bad", I'm flying over to London to smack you...

MovingPictures voted for TH, that could have been enough to convince Snow Dog to vote for TH too, especially if he wasn't sure whom to vote for. Fly to London he says, lol! Chris, if this was real life I would have had you tied up and gagged for your own fucking safety.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow. What the hell?

Frankly, this presents the final nail in the coffin for Snow Dog and Bass being bad, IMO.

RIP TH 2.0. Guess there wasn't anything to the weirdness at the end there after all.

Chris, can I tell you my level of confidence on TH now?

WTF????? Huh>????? I dnt uderstanf

MP7, note the reaction. Snow Dog's incredulity here is palpable. I can picture him spraying his computer screen with whatever he was drinking at the time he read that, tripping over the keyboard to write his response. He can't be responsible for that lynch switch.

MP, all recruitment shenanigans aside, I trust Snow Dog. I don't think he is responsible for or knew about this lynch switch.

I can imagine a scenario in which the mystery recruiter team wanted to switch the lynch from cyber-Bass to good-civvie-TH, to balance the teams, it being easier for them to operate against the civilians with the Cybers still in the picture.

And yeah, I'll go to Uranus, fuck it.

I'm not surprised TH was a civilian. Shame on you, MP and Snow Dog for voting for him. But I don't think it matters that you voted for him, someone switched the lynch. I would imagine Bass, or Bass's teammate/s, switched the lynch. MP, don't suspect Snow Dog for voting TH - you were dumb enough to vote TH, too.

Sorry to leave you hanging, Hedgeowl. The party's moved to Bass, come join us!

I feel like I am at high school. You can see the cliques just looking at the polls..

Dom wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Dom, I don't remember being yelled at by Chris. I remember him finding me "odd" for "discrediting" his case/s, some other stuff. Whatever it was, I don't think it was for feigning suspicion. I do remember it seeming a bit harsh since I've been trying to keep the sonfabitch alive!

I remember earlier in the game someone faked a suspicion of someone for awhile... I thought you had faked a suspicion of MP and Chris didn't like that?
Am I remembering this incorrectly?

I did, I just don't remember getting yelled at for it by Chris. Idk. No offense to Chris but I've been skimming his posts for a while. There's only so much wacky speculation a guy can read in one sitting.

Dom, I don't remember being yelled at by Chris. I remember him finding me "odd" for "discrediting" his case/s, some other stuff. Whatever it was, I don't think it was for feigning suspicion. I do remember it seeming a bit harsh since I've been trying to keep the sonfabitch alive!

Chris wrote:Why do you say that keys?

We're about to lynch the 2nd member of the Cyber team...

I hope we are. Pardon me for not sharing your confidence. I have a feeling you would be similarly confident were we about to lynch MP, or SVS, or indeed, myself.

I'm glad this isn't real life, because there are some serious liabilities on the civilian team and I'm afraid they're going to get us all killed. Get your socks and soap bars, people.

Chris wrote:[quote="MovingPictures07"]In fact, I will eat a hat if Dana or S~V~S are bad. Same with zeek and keys, but to a slightly lesser extent.

Based on thread reads and a process of elimination, I don't really think Gotrees or DFaraday are bad right now either, but with regards to those I could be wrong.

I do think we're on the right track to catch a Cyberman with Sabie's reveal, and the only leads as to The Master which I believe are likely are either Chris or BR, so we need more evidence there, as it could be someone else even. And assuming there is a single recruiter, which I think is likely, I just don't know who it could be, but I think we can get a better idea by pooling all of our information together and eliminating people from the possible pool. However, we might need first need more insight into what kind of recruiter dynamic this person even has; I would assume over the course of 8 nights there will have been more than only Roxy as a recruit, so if only we could find another recruit, that would be nice. Given Sabie was the role checker and some things that have gone down, it is possible we will find a Cyberman who could flip recruited, I think. If so, or even if not, that should give more direction. Thoughts?

This is the line that stuck out to me. I've seen him defend Dana like he is here, but I've never seen him defend SVS or keys like this before.

This is day 8.

I suspect MP was recruited on night 7, the day he was killed. When he came back on day 8, he felt different.


Here's what I think, take it or leave it.

I think SVS is the recruiter. I think she got to recruit on odd nights.

I think she recruited Roxy on day 1. (Makes sense, they're very good friends)

I think she recruited keys on night 3. (I have some slight concern he is The Master based on my theories lining up with The Master killing people who would help the recruiter with end game. Ex: I think Daisy was a Dalek, and Roxy was recruited. In order to get the Dalek kill for the recruiter, Daisy had to be killed. My opinion. Deal with it. I have over evidence of Daisy being bad)

I think she recruited MM on night 5.

And I think, after so much hinting and other evidence, SVS recruited MP, The Doctor, on night 7.

I think there's been a push for keys to come in here and discredit my work on Snow, Bass and Epig, because now that SVS doesn't have the Dalek kill, she wants the CyberMan kill. I think that's why keys came in here saying that my work wasn't what got Sabie. If I'm right, I named the Cyber crew, and the recruiter wants them. Why... its more than just their kill. If the Cyber Head has found the Body ( I think he did) then they've got votes too.

They're setting up their end game. If she has The Master, then she just needs to get the Cyber kill recruited, then have more recruited players than civs, and it's game over.

Oh yeah, The Master killed MP on night 7 knowing that he'd come back, and it would buy MP the best civvie cred ever, allowing him to gain the trust of others to follow his lead.

It's brilliant actually...

And with keys being recruited too... it would certainly explain keys suddenly saying that he knew MP was good after he was killed. It's setting him up to be able to side with MP once he comes back.

I mean, does anyone really believe that keys was keeping the pressure on MP because he KNEW MP was The Doctor, and that keys' suspicion would help keep MP safe??


Lastly, I'm of the hope that recruited players return to their previous win conditions, and have to treat any info gained the same way you'd treat a role check. So I'd like to lynch SVS, not keys or MP. (Unless keys IS The Master)

If not SVS, I want to lynch Bass or Snow Dog.[/quote]

I'm still a few pages back, but oh man, I had to quote this. Chirs, you are one wacky motherfucker. Fucking wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm comfortable with my vote, DF hasn't done anything to dissuade me. He seems pretty relaxed, I was expecting a touch more panic. But I'm comfortable with Bass getting lynched, too.


linki: meow!

TH - my bad! Great catch, man.

As for Snow Dog, I don't have the inside track. I just think I'm seeing misguided civ rather than nefarious maf. Say he's in a team, any team, how is he just now learning who The Doc is? Surely a teammate would have told him?

I leave the door open that he's recruited because anyone could be recruited. We don't have enough infomation on this recruiting business.

Epignosis: More the merrier! Let's give DF a scare..

Actually, I'm going o hold off from switching my vote to Bass. I'd like to hear if DF has anything to say while the peril of that single vote of mine still hangs over his head.

Long Con wrote:keys, I think she wants you to explain more why you think DF is bad... and something about a cocaine deal gone wrong with Freckles.

Just a gut thing, Jules. DF seems virtually perfect to me, I don't trust perfect players. I've met Freckles, she's cool, I reckon I can get back the ya-yo, for a cut.

Also, it's worth mentioning that I also thought the Bass claim that he looked into past games and compared their playstyles to be not believable. Like, he had time to do that kind of research across multiple games for two different players, yet he still has only 50 posts in this game. BS alert, most definitely.

Excellent catch, LC! I dare say you're probably right.

*changes vote to Bass*

Personally I don't think Snow Dog is a Cyber/Master. He's obviously misguided, but I don't think that means he's bad. He could well be recruited, but it remains to be seen how much of a threat, if any, that represents to us.

MP7 - if your feelings on DF are purely gut-based (i.e. you cannot explicitly vouch for him) I'm moving my vote back thataways, since my gut says different.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In any case, both zeek & MM are off the table today, so

Faraday surviving a Strax kill makes me less inclined to suspect him rather than more. He does seem a bit blendier than is usual even for him, though, so maybe he needs a reread.

Tomorrow, since I am out for the night

xox happy mafia players

It read to me that Strax's kill failed, not that DF survived it.

Is that a distinction the hosts would make in a night post?

Oh Hosts: is there game info to be interpreted in the wording of your night posts?

MP, I'd like a little more reassurance re: DF, if it's not too much trouble.

MP if you think DF is a civ I will pace my vote elsewhere..

Chris wrote:DF, just one of the many odd things keys has been doing and saying lately...

Bah! I battled to stop people lynching you! I'm trying to get you to see some sort of reason before you find yourself right back there! Before you get civilians killed! Damned fool, be hanged!

I'm not sure of Epignosis's innocence, no. Or Chris, for that matter. But I'm as confident as one can be without hard info.

Epignosis, Chris, stop it, lol. Both of you are civs, neither of you are Matthew freaking McConaughey. Rejoin the civilian cause, we can win this.