The Syndicate

I don't think I've ever posted 300+ times in a game before. I would imagine this game broke quite a few posting records.

Lol SVS~

Lol, it seems Irony is still playing this game; nice post deletion.

Dom wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Splints' Bitch. Yeah, that's about right.


To borrow a footbaling term, Hedgeowl is my man-of-the-match. I think she could have rode that performance to a mexican standoff and come out on top. There was literally nothing to quote with which to make a case on. I remember looking at her posts, dumbfounded, thinking she was a genius. Some Walter White shit right there, Hedgeowl, a very well done.

Also Dom was fantastic. He was our hide-in-plain-sight star this game.

I would like to think I would've gotten away with it, too if it wasn't for those meddling recruiters...

FWIW, I don't consider your takedown entirely legal. The info dump was cheap and not even necesary; their win was inevitable.

In a game full of ironies, I find it especially amusing that Chris was right. He was totally right. But there was unpleasantness and now he's banned and can't talk about it. Oh well. :/

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Which is why my case on her fell on stony ground. She wasn't even phased by my continuous accusations. And neither was MP. In fact he came out all aggresive offense. Remember my scenario post after you came back? Did that not shake you just a bit alex?

It did cause me to panic a bit, but I figured the best way to combat it was an all-out aggressive offense against it, to prove that it was baseless. Seems that it worked.

If you and Bass had gotten Hedge lynched immediately, that also could have changed some things.

I was thinking of Nking Hedge at the end. But my only chance of a win was a hope of being recruited. If Hedge died, after Dom i was undoubtably the next lynch.

Funny story, the recruit would have passed down.

Haha, yeah, that was the clincher. You know my thoughts on that aspect of your role, but it was why we pretty much secured a very likely win when you recruited me, IMO.

No fucking shit, lmao. You were quarterbacking the civs' whole show. I was going on your lead.

Splints' Bitch. Yeah, that's about right.


To borrow a footbaling term, Hedgeowl is my man-of-the-match. I think she could have rode that performance to a mexican standoff and come out on top. There was literally nothing to quote with which to make a case on. I remember looking at her posts, dumbfounded, thinking she was a genius. Some Walter White shit right there, Hedgeowl, a very well done.

Also Dom was fantastic. He was our hide-in-plain-sight star this game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I don't think that sigbet was valid, you knew he was bad.

Ah, good counterpoint, but untrue! At the time I made the bet it was actually still totally conjecture. Snowy didn't get recruited until N12 and we didn't have Epig at that time either since we nabbed him after N10.

But if you really want to fight it, fine. I wasn't going to make it anything too terrible.

Well at the least, you had more info than I did, were in a position to make a more informed guess having a bunch of potential suspects accounted for, and I was running under the assumption that you were unrecruitable and thus 100% trustworthy, so I can't help but feel like this is adding insult to the injury of how ludicrous this game was, but ok. Signature/rank, your choice.

linki: Yes, my sig is a Simpsons reference.

linki: I too would like to post

I don't think that sigbet was valid, you knew he was bad.

Snow Dog wrote:Keys i am so sorry I was cyber after you defended me so much. I wanted to be civ so much then.

Haha, that's ok. All the evidence pointed to you, I just didn't want to believe it. I underestimated your intelligence and for that I'm sorry. It was only when you asked me not to defend you anymore that I started to doubt myself, started thinking you were feeling sorry for me for being wrong, lol!

In the end I'm more pleased than displeased with my instincts. I knew there was something off about Juliets and Gotrees, who seemed to be cruising in the background, unexplained and unchallenged. Hedgeowl, who was playing a perfect, unquestionable game, had to be hiding something. I'm sure I even detected a change in MP, from working with me to humouring me, but I didn't want to believe it, because I considered it impossible. Note to self: make less assumptions, trust instincts more.

Alright, fair enough. I'm just saying, in case it wasn't clear, that it is not unreasonable at all to be frustrated. I myself am frustrated. I had fun, a lot of fun, but there's definitely a niggling sense that it was unfair. I can't help but wonder how you yourself would feel, given the amount of time and energy you put into this game, especially when you should have been putting it into your PhD, if at this stage it was revealed that you never had a chance, and that it was all futile. And in defense of Chris, I feel partly responsible for this situation, because I did goad him throughout the game. But yeah, I can't condone anything he's said to you guys.

I hear there has been some nastiness behind the scenes and that Chris has been subsequently banned? I don't know what's been said and I'm not condoning anything here, but I do want to say that I for one can appreciate the frustration he must feel. He put so much of his time and energy into something he believed he had a genuine shot at winning. And, y'know, he was laughed at, ridiculed, someone even called him retarded. So how about unbanning him and forgetting the whole thing?

Hip hip to the hosts!

That's just fucking ridiculous. But explains a lot. Like Snow Dog asking Hedgeowl to recruit him already. Juliets cruising in the background. Epignosis insisting we were doomed. All that fake drama, it's like the fucking Truman Show. Hedgeowl being spotless, like a drug kingpin out of The Wire or something. Fuck all of you. Great game, enjoyed it a lot.

Oh, The Master. Mistake. Look forward to how I will hound you over the remainder of your mafia-playing days. There will be no shelter, no sanctuary, no respite from the onslaught. I will rain blood upon thee.

Well, no answer from the hosts as yet on whether it was a tie or not, but pretty much exactly the same people voted Dom as did MM, so no new information can be gleaned one way or another. Epignosis, Juliets, DFaraday, Snow Dog and Hedgeowl, all potential Cyberheads.

zeek wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:The recruiter was not splints.

You know that for sure?

No, I just seriously doubt it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Dom: Any idea why Zeek thinks you're The Master?

Why would you even ask this? I thought zeek's thoughts were clearly stated, even if there wasn't a whole lot of substance to them.

I still lean towards the recruiter being dead and zeek just feeling incredibly strongly about Dom, but the fact that he emphasized KNOW is throwing me off just a bit.

Why would I even ask that? C'mon, Doc, like you said, Zeek says he knows. There has to be a reason why. I just thought maybe Dom might have a clue.

The recruiter was not splints. I personally doubt the recruiter is dead, but it's a possibility.

keys56000000000 wrote:Dom: Any idea why Zeek thinks you're The Master?

EBWOP: "knows"

Dom: Any idea why Zeek thinks you're The Master?

Zeek tried to recruit Dom, failed, thus knows him to be The Master? It's plausible, for sure.

I can't help but note how both Dom and Zeek have expressed how much we would regret lynching them, after LC warned everyone not to let a Strax lynch happen..

zeek wrote:Battle of the Jacks is coming, Chris.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Orly Dom?

zeek wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

zeek wrote:Okay, one last time.

I KNOW Dom is bad.

Do you, though? Do you know?

Yes.

And you know what the word "know" means, right? You know what it is to know? I.e. you literally had confirmation that Dom is bad? Because I don't believe that's what you mean to tell us. You merely [ithink[/i] Dom's The Master, based on your observations, correct?

zeek wrote:Okay, one last time.

I KNOW Dom is bad.

Do you, though? Do you know?

Dom, I have no idea what I'm doing, haha. At this stage I'm not even sure about Chris and Snow Dog anymore.

I've got nothing on Hedgeowl. She appears to be a great civvie, completely clean. Looking for a case against her in her posts is like looking up at a smooth glass building and wondering how to climb it barehanded. If you're bad, Hedgeowl, bravo! You are an adversary of refreshingly high calibre.

I'm going to change my vote, but to whom?

Chris wrote:keys.,..

I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

I too want cake and strippers.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

Chris, didn't you have a ton of votes at one stage? And then someone (>_>) persuaded people you weren't the way to go. Roxy literally had 0 votes when Dom voted for you, and unlike others, he kept his vote there. I'm of the opinion that he genuinely believed you were bad.

LC, you're right. I need to make a convincing case if I expect people to follow me. SuperGut, away!

zeek wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Question for all: What do we know about Zeek? I feel like he's been getting a pass because he was rezzed.

I've made my case. Believe me or not.

I believe that you believe it, I just think you're going off half-cocked.

Fair enough. Well, I'm still intent on a Hedge lynch. I guess I should pull my finger out and make an actual case. *sigh*

Question for all: What do we know about Zeek? I feel like he's been getting a pass because he was rezzed.

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

zeek wrote:I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.

Yeah, I can't help but feel like you're trying to force the issue here. Juliets, Snow Dog, if you're civs, which I believe you are, but y'know, recruitment shenanigans aside, take your votes off Dom, Zeek's case really ain't that great.

And what about mine?

You don't strike me as a fellow who is easily persuaded, so I didn't attempt to, but if, as I suspect, you are a civilian, I would urse you also to change your vote.

Do you have a role in mind for Dom? I do.

Indeed I do.

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

zeek wrote:I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.

Yeah, I can't help but feel like you're trying to force the issue here. Juliets, Snow Dog, if you're civs, which I believe you are, but y'know, recruitment shenanigans aside, take your votes off Dom, Zeek's case really ain't that great.

And what about mine?

You don't strike me as a fellow who is easily persuaded, so I didn't attempt to, but if, as I suspect, you are a civilian, I would urse you also to change your vote.

zeek wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:You get support by making reasonable cases that other players agree with, doofus.

keys56000000000 wrote:Haha, that's so funny coming from you. I disagree that Zeek's case is based on nothing. His interpretation of the votes seems solid and reasonable to me.

You've changed your tune pretty quickly. You have your opinion, I have mine. Insults are not necessary. I don't really see a case for Hedgeowl presented though.

I don't mind admiting that I changed my tune quickly. I was intrigued by your case, so naturally I wanted to take a closer look. On closer inspection, it's really not very strong at all. I'm afraid Jules and Snowy have voted without verifying it themselves in the level of depth I did.

zeek wrote:How I am supposed to garner support without pushing?

You're forcing the issue asking people not to vote for somebody. If they think there's stronger evidence to vote for Dom, let them.

You get support by making reasonable cases that other players agree with, doofus.

zeek wrote:I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.

Yeah, I can't help but feel like you're trying to force the issue here. Juliets, Snow Dog, if you're civs, which I believe you are, but y'know, recruitment shenanigans aside, take your votes off Dom, Zeek's case really ain't that great.

I'm more or less sold on DF's hint. I think that's what BR was talking about when she mentioned something weird happening at night re: DF. I don't think it's the best role to pretend to claim. There's always the possibility that a mafioso figured out whom The Ood was, but then that possibility remained for civs, too. So all in all, things point to the hint being legit.

I think Hedge has to be bad. I can't decide which role she'd be, but the process of elimination + voting records + general gut feeling, all combined, has me more confident about her than anyone else. I'd urge players to join me if they want to avoid a Dom lynch, cause the only player I'd be willing to budge for is Nijuu, who is a bit of a wild card.

I'm actually in agreement with Chris, I don't think Zeek's case hold up to scrutiny.

Let's look at Zeek's vote evidence on Dom.

When Dom vote's Epignosis instead of MM, MM only has two votes.

When Dom votes Chris instead of Roxy, Roxy has no votes.

When you consider the timing of each vote, it no longer looks as suspicious as it did. Certainly doesn't look like Dom is trying to save his recruits.

So yeah, I'm off a Dom lynch.

Chris wrote:Kiss my ass keys.

I'm done here.

hahahahahahahahahahah you are such a baby

Chris wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Chris wrote:

zeek wrote:Chris, what wrong?

What's wrong is, I don't think zeek would go after Dom this hard without knowing he was right.

But my problem is witg how zeek knows this. His case is based on basically nothing. All he's been doing is ranting and raving, trying to get anyone to vote for Dom.

This all just seems like a noob role checker who just checked his first baddie...

Haha, that's so funny coming from you. I disagree that Zeek's case is based on nothing. His interpretation of the votes seems solid and reasonable to me.

His interpretation of the votes?

One day of votes. He analyzed day 6, and noted that Dom didn't vote for MM.

OH SHIT!!! HE'S RIGHT!!! DOM DIDN'T VOTE FOR MM!!! DOM IS THE MASTER!!!


Like I said, I'm convinced that zeek is right. My concern is how is he right...

You are such a joker, Chris. Zeek mentions two polls, not one, and it's a fair point that he makes; Dom's an unknown that doesn't vote for the lynched recruits. It's not enough for me to vote for Dom right now, especially considering I liked his response, but it is more reasonable than 95% of what you've brought to the table this game. Hilariously, you think Zeek is right, but your interest is how he knows, yet again you are paranoid as fuck. You're like a clown on PCP or something.

Chris wrote:

zeek wrote:Chris, what wrong?

What's wrong is, I don't think zeek would go after Dom this hard without knowing he was right.

But my problem is witg how zeek knows this. His case is based on basically nothing. All he's been doing is ranting and raving, trying to get anyone to vote for Dom.

This all just seems like a noob role checker who just checked his first baddie...

Haha, that's so funny coming from you. I disagree that Zeek's case is based on nothing. His interpretation of the votes seems solid and reasonable to me.

I'm going to vote for the person whm I think is least likely to be a civilian. I don't have mcuh faith in any target here, it's a fingers-crossed deal.

zeek wrote:That is fair enough, but whoever MM was recruited by had no need to throw him under the bus. It was 7-7 without extra hidden votes.

Which case do you find the most compelling?

My own against Hedgeowl

zeek wrote:That is a mistake, keys, the long we wait the longer it'll take to get him out the game. He's killing tonight.

I'm not as convinced as you, since your case rests on some assumptions I wouldn't be prepared to make, such as the recruiter not voting for the recruited, but like I said, it's very compelling nonetheless.

Zeek, you've got a compelling case on Dom, but on the other hand, Dom's reaction seem genuine. I'm not going to vote for him today, but he's definitely one to consider.

Hedgeowl, you're lying, you lying liar!

Chris, Juliets says you defended Hedgeowl, is that true? Why didn't you list her as a possible The Master?

Snow Dog - MP supports Hedge but hasn't vouched for her.

I'm comfortable with my vote for Hedgeowl. Y'know how some people, when accused of lying, can't help but smile, even laugh? Like they just can't contain how funny it all is? That's what I get from Hedgeowl. Like she's over there smirking, giggling, enjoying fooling us.