The Syndicate

Thanks to everyone for the help you gave me, and to Epignosis for putting up with all my confused PM's,

Good job mafia! I was sure llama was good early on mostly because we thought alike. And I thought made was probably Zola. I'd have never figured it out.

Buy you a drink, MR? A Zombie perhaps?

Well it was fun, wish I'd been better at reading people. Good luck Ganon!

Thanks Snow, I may play again sometime but not til after the holidays.

Too little too late

When I come back Ganon I hope you all look at MR for saying dom and FS were killers and then saying he was glad dom was alive. And snow for being on board 4 bandwagons now.

Oh and now you're glad he's alive? Plus I posted why I did what I did yesterday at the bottom of the previous page as I've already mentioned.

Snow dog, jus like you were when you voted Made, Hedgeowl and Boogs out?

Mister Rearranger wrote:Did Splints and Dom kill our friends? Is Liz evil, evil, evil? Is Llama really a "Nah"ma? Are MM, Snowie, and Squids grasping at straws?

You decide!

#rockthevote2014

PS: I voted Liz. I don't trust her. Eager to see the results. Off to work; later, skaters! Good luck and vote wisely!

Linki:

You voted me yesterday before you even brought me up and when I questioned you on it this was the answer you gave. And if you thought dom was bad why does my vote even seem bad to you? I just don't understand.

Wow, we haven't had a good bandwagon in a couple days

Thank you

I posted my reasoning on the bottom of the last page. It may not seem logical to some of you, but it did, in my brain, at the time. :P

Fantastic Made, good going!

The way you wrote it was that I deflected on you and Russ. Again though I still was not deflecting. Yesterday, I had come on, realized I only had a few minutes to vote so I voted FS. Then I realized the vote was close and I was hoping if I tied it up and one of you was bad that person would get lynched. It didn't matter to me which one as long as it was a mafia.

I'm thinking somewhere in a chat room or pm's there are some teammates wondering if they should go for the easy bandwagon on me or not. And I'm voting MR for starting that. It's not a No U vote, it's because he voted me last night without even mentioning me or the vote and today just says he thinks "I'm bad, gotta go", that's not giving me a very good vibes.

Dom wrote:
In addition, nice deflection onto Russ and myself though.. Are you on his team?

I wasn't deflecting, I was stating a fact. Russ is not my teammate unless he's Ganon and I don't understand why a baddie would deflect back to their teammate anyway.

It was online. I can't remember the name of the site. I had a computer crash a few years back and lost all my info,

Decided to try it again and of the sites I tried to join this was the only one that responded, but you seem like a fun bunch.

And again I'm sorry if my not posting the riddle answer I sent in upset some of you. If it helps I was highly embarrassed when I found out the answer and shared my lameness with you anyway. :P

I can see why I would draw suspicion but I'm still baffled as to MR's vote last night and he never explained it after I questioned it other than to say 'I think she's bad, gotta go'. And I think I explained it when I joined the site but maybe not to you guys, I have played mafia before but it's been about 5 years. So it's sort of like riding a bike. Into a wall. I'm curious why Dom and Russ were getting votes yesterday and now it seems to be directed at me. I'm not convinced Russ is bad but did everyone change they're opinion on both if them since yesterday? I am not in a mafia team. If I had help I wouldn't be so all over the place. As for the riddle, considering how easy it seemed for others to figure out what I would have considered much more difficult riddles, I assumed the last one would probably a no-brainer for some. I was not one of them obviously. Yes, I was opposed to helping Hyrule from getting more rupees but again thought enough people would solve it we would get plenty for Ganon.

thellama73 wrote: 2. I am discouraged. I have been wrong about everyone this game, and I am losing confidence in my ability to read people. I thought I would back off a little and see what other people have to say.

This is the problem I am having. I don't know anyone and I can't read anyone. I actually had time to go back and read through the thread tonight and had every intention of making a case but it seemed like suspicions I would have on one page would be reversed by a page or two later. I know I'm as flip-floppy as I've accused others of being and I hate that.

I had made some notes on someone as suspish, but I'm not even confident in that enough to name them because I don't want to keep throwing a different name out every day which it seems is all I've been doing.

Wait, what? Why do I have your vote MR? I didn't even realize you were suspicious of me.

Snow Dog wrote:
LizKeen wrote:If that was the answer I didn't get it either. I was hoping lizard was a loose interpretation for snake and that along with wizard and minor made me think Harry Potter. Voldemorts snake was killed with Gryffindors sword so that was my answer. Epic fail. So me putting it out there wouldn't have helped.
We've already had the snake questions though. And a lizard isn't snake however loosely interpreted.

Well my first-born is mocking me and informs me there is a game called Wizards Lizard. I guess I should take future game advice from "he-who-knows-it-all",

If that was the answer I didn't get it either. I was hoping lizard was a loose interpretation for snake and that along with wizard and minor made me think Harry Potter. Voldemorts snake was killed with Gryffindors sword so that was my answer. Epic fail. So me putting it out there wouldn't have helped.

Russtifinko wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I didn't intend to solve it in the chat, it was really more a question for Epignosis. I would say do not solve this one openly.
Oops. Why not?

Because this one doesn't seem as difficult as other ones. So it doesn't seem wise to help out Hyrule with putting the answer out there. However with 3 of them they can probably figure it out anyway. I wish we were pm'ed if we were right or not though. But did anyone win the triforce then (not actually asking anyone to say) and if so then that means Hyrule doesn't have all 3 pieces which is definitely good.

fingersplints wrote:
I see some items and upgrades that can effect votes anyways, so for all we know it isn't a tie.

I wasn't thinking about this when I switched my vote but that is a point, with all the point adding and subtracting abilities it doesn't seem as likely it would have been a tie. But I can see one way it could have happened. But it would be stupid to say why so I won't.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
A treacherous lizard
Kept by a wizard
Could not be killed
By sword, axe, or shield
How, then, did it expire
When its lords’ life was required?
The solution is finer
And relatively minor.
Cheat codes, obviously. Somebody used the Gameshark.

I have to go to the grocery now.

I didn't intend to solve it in the chat, it was really more a question for Epignosis. I would say do not solve this one openly.

I did not realize noone would die. I thought it might be randomized or something. You better be good Russ! Is "lizard" a loose interpretation?

Don't thank me yet, you could still die. But if Dom does and is Hyrule it really narrows down the list of people I'll have to look at.

And sorry to Epi who would probably like to throttle me for doing that last minute. :P

Actually I just saw how close it was. I will vote Dom. Maybe this vote will be more telling than anything previous.

Dang it, I thought I was going to have at least half an hour to read back through the 5 players and make a case. The end time is really bad for me. I'm just going to have to vote Splints because of this. I think there are 2 baddies in the poll In case one dies the other has a chance of getting the tri-force.

Russ I wasn't trying to offend you, Made just sticks in my mind more because of the kukuro puzzle and how he kept posting yesterday about whether people should or shouldn't be going for the triforce.

FS, I wasn't accusing you of lying when you weren't around it was more that I had it in my head that there was a day you said you wouldn't be around and then it seemed like you kept popping up like someone was cluing you in you needed to post but I've gone back through the first 20 pages and I can't find the particular time that was. I will look back tomorrow when I'm on my computer. Trying to search on the phone is a nuisance. If I'm wrong I will admit it, there's nothing to gain by lying. And I hope your brother-in-law feels better.

I REALLY have to go to bed now. (I'll need my rest for when Russ makes an epic post about how bad someone is and then decides they're good 20 minutes later).

Russtifinko wrote:Oh no! I didn't attach the rest of my case to this. Read this part first, please.

Shocking plot twist: (Or maybe this will shock no one...)

I was thinking wrong again before. I am now 100 billion quadrillion percent certain I am right, if you guys will be believe that. And I solemnly swear my crazy switchiness is over for the rest of the game.

MM is not a goodie like I thought. I think we should give either him or me the Triforce today.

Also, Dom is my biggest suspect on the potential lynch list today. You guys think I've acted weird, well check this out:

Dom wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't believe Dom. I think he's lying and untrustworthy.
I am.
Day 1: Outs self.
Day 4: Goes nuts when I "out myself".

wth? Put down the crack pipe, get some fresh air.

I seriously am not sure what you or Made are doing. At least he's been uber-helpful puzzle-wise. Although maybe it's a double bluff, like I couldn't be Hyrule because I'm so helpful and wouldn't my team tell me to shut up...but then maybe that's what we're supposed to think? But he's not on the poll so a discussion for another day as is Snow. I'm going to bed soon and this post isn't coming obviously because you've changed your mind. Again.

I'm starting to think maybe you're trying to take the heat because maybe you have some power that allows you to survive a lynch or appear Ganon. And I'm getting a very iffy feeling about your massive post against FS and then reversal. And that after I made a comment about how much she posts when she says she doesn't have time then she's not posting so much. If my spidey senses are in any way right I'm going to vote her today because I'm not at all sure I'd trust whatever a lynch on you would say. It doesn't look good that she will be lynched but if she is and she's Hyrule then I'd definitely feel better about going after you.

zeek wrote:Well, that sucks. Seems people like to murder me every Night 4 here

RIP Zeek. I was waiting on that post you said you were going to make because I was leaning towards thinking you might be Hyrule but Link's sword took care of that suspicion.
We still don't know what Bass's allegiance was so RIWYEU (wherever you end up).

4 questions:

Can the host clear up if this is the lynch poll?

Is there some prize I'm not aware of for crazy posting? If so I can go apeshit. :P

Russ, would you care to fill us in on this "long story"? I have time now.

Can someone tell me if this is Snowdog's usual game style? It doesn't seem all that civvie to me.

My random thoughts. All this flip-floppy business is giving me a headache. I think a couple of people need to slow their roll and stop flopping like a mackerel. And I'm not keen on everyone participating because say one Ganon dies and another is nk'ed..that leaves us down 2 more. I'm also concerned that some Hyrule is slipping by under the radar while a few people goes at each other. Also, FS keeps saying reasons she can't post but then posts more than anybody. I don't get that.

Epignosis wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:Triforce or die 2014, I'm in
Excellent. We finally have someone with some balls.

I have no balls. Nor do I want any. As a body part anyway. And based on previous challenges I wouldn't be anywhere near the first to figure it out and I don't wish to die.

Although I do think it would be nice if at least 5 people did it as that would assure a Ganon is playing.

I'm confused Made, why would the mafia not kill if they won it?

I'm having the same problem as Elohcin I'm not getting the whole puzzle. I think we should get consolation rupees.

I'm sorry Sabie. I was on my phone in my car when I voted. I didn't have time to make a real case on anybody and so I took the easy route and also I just wanted to know once and for all. I realize that was a useless thing to do and I will try to do better in future. It's a hindrance not to know anybody's play style so I have to go off of gut most of the time.

Ugh, every time I try to post something goes wrong.

I'm going to vote for Sabie today because this has been going on for days and I'd just like to end it and I haven't felt good about her since Day 1.

Russ you confound me today.

fingersplints wrote:LizKeen, MP was definitely killed by Hyrule, so he has to be either a civvie or River.

Epignosis wrote: MovingPictures07 - Killed N2 by Link.

Okay, thanks. I should have gone back to check. So that still leaves me with the same question for Russ. I probably won't have a chance to check in on the game again until about 2 hours before the Day ends unfortunately.

This smiley

was supposed to be under FS post I quoted because it just made me LOL.

fingersplints wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Also, for the record, I think fingers' behavior makes it clear she was trying to set up an Elo lynch for today, based on their voting records. I hope you won't mind me saying that you have a reputation as more of a follower than a leader on lynches, and that made you an easy target. I don't buy it, and I hope other won't either.
Correct. I was trying to set up Elo for a lynch by saying I was going to vote sabie. Genius ploy on my part!

Russtifinko wrote:Liz, fwiw, I would imagine Epi would take your submission. It was correct and unique, and mine was in a similar format and I didn't get any complaints.

Thanks, fingers crossed. Or I suppose I could just ask.

Part of me feels like you are trying desperately for us all to think FS is bad for your own nefarious reasons but at the same time I haven't really been looking at you and it would come back really bad on you if she is lynched and comes back Ganon. So um...

The big question I would have is did her posts have a big influence on anyone's votes? And are you implying she and MP were teammates? Didn't Hyrule most likely commit the NK on MP? Or was it just as likely the River? I'm actually really baffled as to that particular kill since MP seemed a more likely target for a lynch than some others. I'm not trying to defend her I'm just not as sold on her guilt as you are at the moment. Subject to change based on more posts and others thoughts and cases.

I hate it when my computer shuts down in the middle of a post.

I said if Boogs flipped Ganon I would go back and look at Snow Dog. What I can see from his posts are (jmo) his votes don't seem for very solid reason, he seemed to want to discuss the kakuro, then he didn't, then he did again, and he's voted civvies 3 days in a row. As has Elohcin. But FWIW, based on an exchange they had a few pages back, I don't think he and Made are on a baddie team together so if one gets lynched and is Hyrule I'd say the other probably isn't.

I couldn't figure out how to insert it into a grid so I sent in the numbers and I thought I had them separated out well but when it sent it all ran together like this:

A B C D E F
21
9 2 7 6
2 4
1 7 5 4 2 19
9 3
10 4 9 13

So yeah, big help I am

Made wrote:
Dom wrote:Why
Kill svs though.
Better question is why the fuck not kill me? Like based on the ridicules amount of support and trust that seemed to be fuming off me towards the end of last night, I felt that I was pretty much the obvious choice.

Like, I hesitate to think that my attempt to hinting at being bad would actually fool anyone (that's what i was doing btw zeek....) and i still doubt it but iunno, I'm just not liking this.

RIP SVS. And what is 'afk'?

Maybe it wasn't so much trust as the fact that you had worked out the puzzle so why not take advantage? Why would you hint at being bad?

I was going to post the puzzle I sent in but when I went into my sent messages to copy and past I realized what I sent wasn't in the layout form I meant for it to be so I'm guessing it didn't count.

Well that sucks.

Okay I was waiting on confirmation from the host well I could tell or not but choosing Manji the other day gave me the answer to one square so with your helpful hint from earlier I'm going to give this a shot. Am I the only who chose that option during that vote?

I applaud your ability to do it. Sudoku gives me a headache.

I don't understand this puzzle thing AT ALL.

Oops, sorry, I just assumed it was him. No worries, you'll find I'm generally all over the map. But occasionally I hit the mark.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I would have voted you again today but I thought Made might be an easier lynch.

vs.

I honestly debated for an hour whether I was voting Boogs or Made yesterday. Russ seems awfully adamant we don't vote boogs today and I'm not sure what that's about but I'm going to follow his advice for today in case he's on to something

Sorry, nothing personal. I was going to vote you anyway I just didn't want to say "hey everyone, help me win the Triforce". And I figured it might seem odd I didn't vote him again today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LizKeen wrote:This day is utterly confusing if you're in a brain fog.
You ate all of SpongeBob's candy, didn't you?

He would turn into Squidward if I did that.

He was kind enough to give me his Reese's though.

If you flip civvie Boogs I'll be looking at your votes because yesterday when I voted you noone even paid attention. I would have voted you again today but I thought Made might be an easier lynch.

This day is utterly confusing if you're in a brain fog.

I was saying Hyrule earlier when I meant Ganon. I blame cold medicine.

And Made has nothing to say about my post against him and now he's self-voting? How bizarre.

nijuukyugou wrote:
On another note, LizKeen mentioned that she's not convinced Made isn't a baddie. I'd like to see why (she said she'd mention it). I'd also like to see if sabie still has suspicion of Made, as well. He's talking again and filling the thread with ideas, so nothing out of the ordinary yet for Made 2.0 in my opinion.

Here's my feelings on Made 2.0.

When he was playing as Made 1.0 he complained people were playing way too conservatively, but after changing roles the only thing he said was he couldn't read boogs and dom and didn't bring back any suspicions and missed the vote. Then he says if we prevent the goodies from achieving their objective do we even need to lynch them? I would say YES, or do we still want them around during the night killing off Hyrule and having more Hyrule getting lynched during the day? That comment didn't make sense to me. Then he tells Ganon to get their act together. If you're Ganon wouldn't that include you?

I honestly debated for an hour whether I was voting Boogs or Made yesterday. Russ seems awfully adamant we don't vote boogs today and I'm not sure what that's about but I'm going to follow his advice for today in case he's on to something. I also just haven't gotten the bad feeling from llama others seem to be getting.

So, that being said I'm voting Made today.

Ugh, up all night with sick child and now I'm coughing. Will be back in the pm after cough medicine and sleep, hopefully.

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