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KAMI!!!!Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:04 pmI’m not sure the exact number. Probably somewhere in the 15 year range give or take. I started at Lostpedia, then played at The Piano, then Tangy and I started the Syndicate. That’s my mafia history in a nutshell.
Greater Idea Burglary is probably my Civ win I am most proud of.
Death Note Mafia is my mafia win I’m most proud of.
Interested in Moonwink.
For me, the subtext of the ruling is rather that "only votes cast in poll count". I'm inclined to announce my vote, even if not necessary. Would be inclined to question votes cast directly in the poll (without reasoning), so a post would be used up for that anyway.
Why or how would he have snapped at her?
What did you over-think over Moonwink about?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:19 am [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
I'm also making the terrible decision of trusting moonwink for today after some amount of over-thinking
don't feel like I have anything else to say atm other than re-iterating my activity for D1 will be fairly low; expect practically no activity from me once it goes beyond 24 hours from now. D2+ should be much better.
I have not played mafia in three or four years and no plans beyond this game.
Sure, I'll look into it.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:21 amepi is a disciplinarian?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6443055
@Ricochet me asking players the same question, I can give u more links to sate you if u want
Thanks. Agree that I await to see how lucy will develop reads once she has received info.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:50 am v = villa/town/good
w = wolf/mafia/bad
I saw Rico ask about this.
Also he asked about Lucy, Dolby and Moon, I think. I guess they all are within normal range.
Imo, Lucy is a weirder than usual rn. The mechanical way of asking people what their experience is. I mean, sure. She can talk about how she wants to use it and what she gains from it.
I liked how Moon responded to Lucy's question. Saying he doesn't have a preference for how she should approach him. I wouldn't call it evasive as much as holding his cards close to his chest. Evasive would in my mind imply he wasn't direct, but I felt he was very direct. I guess Epi was "evasive", but I personally don't care.
Dolby can post a lot or slank. He's a good player as both alignments. I'm hoping he'll post a lot, cause it's just better for the game when people do, but we'll see.
What do you personally gain from chaos’ing, if town?
Content is on the low side or not shapen up for me not to tend towards the reading much/overthinking side.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
red on me still based off previous read?TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
Because yours was the second vote with the same reasoning (that I'm shallow in my comments), to which I had already addressed working with what I've got.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:49 pmYeah, game is pretty slow atm.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:13 pmContent is on the low side or not shapen up for me not to tend towards the reading much/overthinking side.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
Would further read & inquire as it develops.
However, I did vote you and it was a serious vote. You asked a lot of questions, but they seemed a little bit filler to me. I also noticed you didn't comment or ask about me vote. Any reason for that?
Am not.
Why Dolby of the low-post tier?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.
Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.
Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo
1. Didn't ask why at all, rather why him of all who would qualify thus far. His second post was responsive to MO inquiry.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:58 pm1. why wouldn't he be, hasn't even posted after my vote on them and only three posts; in most games I have played that is less than the minimum post count (there doesn't seem to be a clarified minimum post count for this game, though?)Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:51 pmWhy Dolby of the low-post tier?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.
Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.
Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo
2. he himself said he prob was going to low-post
No idea when mid-day is, I probably can't stay up (or won't last) more than an hour or so more.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Oh yeah, that reminds me
@Boquise
@Dolby
@Dyslexicon
@Epignosis
@Jackofhearts2005
@lucy
@Moonwink
@Ricochet
@Ruri
@Spacedaisy
@TonyStarkPrime
@TripleHaven
@Violet
If any of you all are around for when the mid-day event happens (see Nanook post), PLZ BE THERE >:c
obvious implication that more people there = less risk of scum benefit
My main concern is that your initial vote was blank and your reasoning boils down to "why not?" a bit.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:07 pmas much as I would elaborate with my own reasons and observations with respect to your responseRicochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:03 pm1. Didn't ask why at all, rather why him of all who would qualify thus far. His second post was responsive to MO inquiry.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:58 pm1. why wouldn't he be, hasn't even posted after my vote on them and only three posts; in most games I have played that is less than the minimum post count (there doesn't seem to be a clarified minimum post count for this game, though?)Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:51 pmWhy Dolby of the low-post tier?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.
Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.
Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo
2. he himself said he prob was going to low-post
Dunno about minimum post ruling, but as far as lowest of low-posting goes, I believe there's still a player with zero.
2. So?
our disagreement here sorta reads like it would drive right into a semantics and perceptions argument
which in my experience are rarely productive
Don't understand 1)Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:24 pm If I'm mafia, and Dizzy is town, I'm always killing them N1 because 1.) I doubt anyone's active enough in the game at the moment to have an accurate townread of them, and 2.) it'll slow the game even more so, even with Martin and Ricochet still in the game.
Take that as you will.
Sure.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:53 pm @Ricochet Let me know if you want to be open about what happened in the event.
My name is now on Dolby, just for the slanking.
Why?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:40 pm Townie vibes from Moonwink, tbh. Take that with a grain of salt because I think I've still not seen her as mafia but she looks town, here.
Think TripleHaven answered in more recent posts, still nothing from Boquise.
It was on the sus side at that halfway point because - whilst admittedly absent since - it was the only thing you did and it did not develop. Profiling or asking for meta info doesn't have inherent value until you develop reads or read into the reactions received.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:43 pmwhy's it sus, don't you remember quotes verbatim for at least a few days? furthermore I was not "appearing to solve" or anything, instead I was copy pasting the exact same question at players, I don't understand how that is suspicious when it's so fucking blatantly doing nothing for anyone else, rather I'm strictly helping myself solve in a lobby of players I haven't played with before
Dizzy and I can coordinate a vig shot till end of Day 1 as long as we agree on the target.
I answered yes to both. Was announced winner right after, can only surmise that was necessary. And that Dizzy also did the same.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:39 amAs far as I know there were two questions: Did you want to build a snowman, and did you believe in magic. Depending on your answer(s) you got removed from the event --- like not wanting to build a snowman.
I have no clue as to what the reward was.
I feel this would only hold if TH would struggle as wolf to have this much input. Is that the case, from past games?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:27 amIt's more-so that it seems to me unless you're just "one of those people" most mafia have difficulty reaching top-posting for d1. At least, not intentionally. 18 posts by that point, by a player I don't expect to top-post and yet is top-posting with that almost half-way into d1, makes my gut yell they're town. Partially because I've also done that sort of read before and have been right about it.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:31 pmHow hard is it to be the top poster with 18 posts?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:34 pm I'm surprised that TH is the top-poster at 18 posts so far lol
If I wanted to make a stupid leap of faith and ignore my past reading mistakes with them I would say they're probably town for this
which I might just to avoid thinking about that
Why is being the top poster meaningful?
It's kinda dumb, but it seems to hold up in my experience. Top-posting beyond d1 though I tend to ignore, as wolves can post more easily with the greater amount of content/discussion topics that have occurred by then.
Sure, spoiler'd.
Town link doesn't work.TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:14 am @Dyslexicon
A town game from me
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16172864
Scum game from me
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Automated
Checked the ISO's a page or two, I can see how lucy took her sweet time bantering and talking philosphy and shtuff (300-400 posts in) and made just one or two meta inquiry post, I think, - towards fellow wolf TH, no less - though eventually she reaches the same "I don't make reads this early = I don't have much to express" mindset she expressed in here as well.TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:15 am Lucy and I were both scum in that game BTW
They were a lot less proactive there than in this game
Seems fitting to receive this from the extreme of nothing-on-plate. What Mafia Championship?Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:01 pmPLAYER SALAD! Right here, smacking me in the face in the Mafia Championship.Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:05 pm Building off this
Not voting the green tier, apart from any massive ping. Would circumstance-wise pass TSP for toDay.
Probably still null on Epig, said his weekend was busy and last bit of activity was about how I'd imagine him having an hour to play here, quoting and answering step by step, working on pings.
Violet seems to step into it, but then stopped at #53 with a town read. mke
Vig choice still up in the air, how many suggestions were made?
Null towards sus listing about the same, except starting to feel better about Jack's latest stuff and maybe worse about Boquise, there's really nothing + blank vote.
And finally, my low list is still there out of more or less principled takes on how I view their MOs.
TH is snap-reading and reading-into-meta at times, but everytime I revisit his ISO, something feels thin.
lucy is profiling, but at the same time not willing or warmed up to do reads out of it.
Moonwink is resolute idiosyncratic, votes flying everywhere, pings-formulaic.
If asked which of the three I'd let another Day to see them develop better stuff or shake off the trend above, vibes-mostly, I'd feel a tad more optimistic re: TH & lucy than Moonwink.
[VOTE: Moonwink] aubergine
[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Lucy didn't ask for explanation on reads, lucy had asked general chat what their read is.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:04 pmI do not love this post either. Ricochet shares a list (salad) of vague reads. Lucy asks him to explain said reads. Ricochet gripes, "Not sure what you're expecting of me." He is expecting substantiated reads.Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 am I'm still the same. If it's not your MO to detail reads this early, fine, but your questioning method doesn't amount to much on its own. As town, it would be an ok effort, but not cred-gaining in any way. As mafia, it would seem like credible effort to look, but only surface level.
The paragraph that follows is jargon about info-lynching. I continue to disapprove of that strategy.
[/quote]Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:29 pm How to Make Player Salad: A Guide[/SIZE][/CENTER]
Player Salad is the signature dish of The Syndicate. Those of you who have been following this tournament closely may have seen one of our head chefs, JaggedJimmyJay, teach the recipe to his fellow townies in Game 6. Player Salad is a dish which can sometimes confound people, but it's really quite simple. The basic recipe is this: "I could lynch Player X, Y, or Z. Maybe W." I am not one to rigorously argue for "mafia tells", but for whatever reason this one has an unusually high success rate. I suppose the above-mentioned configuration suggests that the player lacks conviction, and simultaneously feels a need to compensate for that lack of conviction by lumping several players together in an indistinguishable blend of suspicion: A salad, if you will. I will not say that it is 100% accurate or foolproof, but I give it some weight. So when I see the formula reproduced exactly by Ricochet:
I involuntarily raise both my eyebrows and place a vote for him. Note that he was somebody I suspected prior to this. I am not voting for him strictly because he typed those three bolded names in that exact manner. But I think there is some merit to "Player Salad", and I view it as supplementary to a larger suspicion here anyway.Spoiler: show
I can give a more thorough read on Ricochet later. Right now it is 5:30 in the morning and I've just marathoned my way through this thread overnight so that I could be somewhat informed if I manage to also be awake at the deadline, which I hope to do. I urge people to look into Ricochet if I pass out momentarily. He is comfortably my top suspect after having read the thread in one sitting.
3. still not sure I can stay till EOD, but right now, yes
Fair, though before returning, I had stopped with the very analysis you labeled salad, so that's where I was at in saying about others.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:42 pm I am far too sleep deprived to give you a satisfying answer at the moment, but suffice to say that none of these are what I'm implying. On the surface it's just an observation of Player Salad™, no more and no less. My vote is on you primarily because of a larger suspicion I had around this particular post of yours. I highlighted a couple other posts of yours in my catch-up.
But I'm less interested in what you could say in defense, and more interested in what you have to say about other players. So just continue doing your thang and I'll check back in once I've had some rest. I apologize for dropping the beginnings of a case and then leaving, but this is a but this is a tight schedule for me.
What no result? Mafia team breaks the tie. Why push for one?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:52 pm 9 minutes.
Somebody do something so I don't have to push for a tie on a nullread and make an ass of myself for no result.
What is wim and don't understand the part about reveals later.TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:58 pm have minimal wim, yall do whatever you want just reeval later
Why?
would it solve anything, does anyone else read bad into him? he is on the other wagon, too, so -2 right nowDolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:52 pmjoin me on jackRicochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:51 pm Ruri wagon feels like throwing D1 down the drain to me, there is no info or reads on them besides the very three people pushing it.
Dizzy is all over and has resorted to lynch inactive out of all avenues.
Jack strikes me ever since that tie comment as either confused or possibly stirring chaos.
the fucklucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:05 pm[ytubehd][/ytubehd]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:04 pm D2 will have a video mafia event. Submit a 30 second or shorter video to the host (YouTube short recommended, but whatever works is fine!). It should include you using your best/worst stereotypical Italian gangster accent. My favorite one wins a prize. Submissions close at eod. Fun!
hmm leaning non-wolf on this claim
What would you have pushed for, say your presence and energy would have been there.Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:16 pm Sorry that I wasn't around at EoD -- I overslept.
With that said, I'm kinda glad I missed EoD if it was always gonna be between TH and Lucy. I wouldn't have had the energy to fight for them outside of saying that this was a bad move.
Like, even /I/ would have been better a yeet than either of those two.
was pinged for a moment that out of no flavor info on the two deaths, Moon assumed Martin was the mafia target.Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:13 pm I told y'all. :P
Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:37 pmWith that kind of talk, Martin's gonna become the most likely nightkill N1 instead of Dizzy if he's town!TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:27 pm Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.
I've only played with them once or twice.
Also,
[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
Careful with that AtE, Eugene.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:19 pmFor future reference, mentioning me isn't necessary because I prefer to read the thread in chronological context, so I'll get to your post when I arrive at it, promise. I know you (and lucy below) don't know that about me, so I wanted to respond as soon as I could.Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:44 pm @Epignosis I still wanna form, like, a group of people to work with that includes you and SpaceDaisy, because I do genuinely believe that at most one of you is wolf (worst case scenario), if any at all (best case scenario). Do you have a pair of people that doesn't include us three that probably aren't scum together?
To answer your question, my mind doesn't work like that, and certainly not this early. Although I'm not altogether sure what you're asking for, since why would you want to work with me and Spacedaisy if one of us is bad? What does "work with" mean here?
Are you aware that I'm also currently cohosting a an Anniversary Game that had a phase that just ended? And that I'm working my job at the same time? I don't need to be prompted to speak. I'll speak when I get to it (see above).
Things is two Night deaths. What are the odds of an indy killer vs two vig shots?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:25 pm So the bad news is we’re down three tiwnies.
The good news is we get two yeets today. Ish. I have a public daykill.
Is the BTSC prize even logical, mechanic-wise, if it would place two wolves in a hood? Town me with Dizzy sheeping at most.
Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.
oh, I realized chet is me, not general chat, lol, you used it before
Dunno what that is.lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:02 amokay, what’s your stance on twinks?Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:59 amoh, I realized chet is me, not general chat, lol, you used it before
don't have flip reads started
on you, as a player committed to reads, I want to see reads. I'll sus you on principle, till then.
on dizzy, they fretted an awful lot EOD and almost pushed low-hanging fruit, can't tell yet if genuine lost-at-sea townie or wolf that wasn't on a clean vote/read
boq good vibes, though less active rn.
