The Syndicate

I was "more civ than JJJ" yesterday, but now I'm the baddiest of the remaining bunch. Face it, it's the only card you can try to play. As I've said, Diiny did the same and he didn't succeeded.

Russtifinko wrote:Honestly Rico reads the baddest of anyone still alive to me. He had yesterday and today's lynches planned out from before yesterday even started. He sounds like a baddie too eager to "close out the game" to me.

You know who painted me like that the other Day? Diiny. Psycho Killer.

I applaud the effort, but I know what I'm eager to close the game on. The last baddie.

Russtifinko wrote: And he suggested shenanigans:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm thinking of switching to JJJ for a bit, then on MM, then no nvmd, then get back on Russtifinko.

That's how bored I am right now.

You vote for me, and you're getting my vote.

Why, would ending with -5 instead of -6 piss you off that much?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seriously though, if you're civ, leave your vote where it is.

The serious face in this marmot is strong.

Rico, could you clarify what you mean by Wilgy and I being inseparable? I don't see it that way at all.

What shenanigans did I suggest here and what do you mean by the Wilgy stuff?

Oh wait, this part:

Russtifinko wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Yeah, answering back to some of the questions posed on that EoD is meaningless now, at least for me. In hindsight, I also wished a baddie would have gotten hurt by these shenanigans.

The fact that WIlgy and Russ are hardly separable on three out of four baddie lynches is killing me right now. It really makes me wish the SK would show, at least once in this entire game, some anti-mafia moves (that we can know of or decipher, at least), even if eliminating the mafia could hurt his endgame chances. Alas, I suspect he'll off a civ, probably me.

Russ has been playing this game with a pretty consistent effort, and actually has been going stronger over these last few days. Do you think that is a sign of a baddie Russ?

This may sound like a weird observation on my part, but I had read Russ as bad all game up until Day 10 (I think), and his increase in activity happened right around the same time.

Also, it says you guys are bored. I apologize a final time and thank you all once again for being with me through a super busy but incredible weekend.

What I meant was that, in recapping my reads, it was hard to distinguish between how you and Wilgy behaved on three out of four baddies getting lynched.

Back then, Wilgy had not been eliminated from the Diiny - Russ - Wilgy equation that was putting me in a great amount of difficulty as to which of you three are the two remaining baddies (SK and mafia) - assuming there was a civ among you three, of course.

Russtifinko wrote:Oh hai guys. Sad to see you've all voted me already, but maybe I can change some minds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:"I'm gonna drug a player I can't night kill."

Sounds a bit counter-productive. He could have easily drugged And She Was and the role got lucky with the odds.

I'll be waiting to see how Russ behaves with his vote, at least.

linki: What Night 6?

Drugs has two options dude. He can drug a player to nightkill them, or he can drug a player and run the lynch-table. With as small as the game is now, Drugs does stand a chance at running the lynch, and we all need to be aware of that.

Drugs failed to nightkill somebody last night, so this is a plausible explanation.

Can someone run me by why we think Drugs (and only Drugs) is alive? It seems we're going on the assumption Wilgy was bad, which seems totally reaosnable to me, but why one role over the other?

I could read the previous 10 pages, but this seems faster.

Uhm. Drugs tried to kill last night? He's literally in here with us.

As for why only Drugs, my deductions are clear. Blind is also here with us, due to his NK immunity, I think MM is And She Was and I'm good. That leaves only you.

Hi hi hi hi hi

Hmm, that reminds me, I should symbolically reinsert some references. Although I certainly couldn't maintain this throughout a 39-day / 14-Day game, it'd be nice to cap it off the way I started.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Floyd stated that mafia's target on Night 7 was Blind, so I believe they know who it is, and have known for a while.

ture

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I agree in the end that the lynch Blind tactic can be a tactic in itself. I said I'll wait to see what Russ plans to do with his vote.

I'm still confident things will work out, even if with shenanigan odds. I can't say why, though, but it doesn't have to do with me being any less civ than I am.

Plus, if by any chance today's lynch does fail, and Blind goes down, Drugs can't kill the following Night, so tomorrow we'll still be able to take him down, clear 2 to 1.

I don't see how you can suspect me of being Drugs, with my vote where it is. I don't even see the need to suspect me for making an obvious bored joke about voting elsewhere for a sec. It doesn't change how hard I pushed for the last baddies' lynch.

If you are Drugs, where else would you put your vote? :P

If you "were", you must mean...

From an abstract, tactical point of you, I'd vote the player I drugged.

...Actually, that could well be "a" player I drugged, not "the". Keep in mind that Drugs had N10 and N12 to drug players. For all we know, he could have had two victims to choose from and picked wrong (or both players he had to pick from had survival odds). So in theory it could be any two of us three.

Question is, could Drugs (or Russ, specifically; or the mafia team, even broader) have foreshadowed this 2-1 or 3-1 endgame scenario in order to specifically drug Blind, if he (they) would have deduced who he might be from a previous failed attempt?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm thinking of switching to JJJ for a bit, then on MM, then no nvmd, then get back on Russtifinko.

That's how bored I am right now.

You vote for me, and you're getting my vote.

Why, would ending with -5 instead of -6 piss you off that much?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seriously though, if you're civ, leave your vote where it is.

The serious face in this marmot is strong.

I'd rather play it safe in case shenanigans happen. You have yet to accept my suggestion that the lynch could be redirected today, and I feel less confident then before about you being a civ right now.

Somebody survived from Drugs last night. That means somebody is drugged right now. No question about it.

I agree in the end that the lynch Blind tactic can be a tactic in itself. I said I'll wait to see what Russ plans to do with his vote.

I'm still confident things will work out, even if with shenanigan odds. I can't say why, though, but it doesn't have to do with me being any less civ than I am.

Plus, if by any chance today's lynch does fail, and Blind goes down, Drugs can't kill the following Night, so tomorrow we'll still be able to take him down, clear 2 to 1.

I don't see how you can suspect me of being Drugs, with my vote where it is. I don't even see the need to suspect me for making an obvious bored joke about voting elsewhere for a sec. It doesn't change how hard I pushed for the last baddies' lynch.

Anticlimactic*, even

Ok, I'm spamming at this point, I'mma shut up.

I've just never faced an endgame this anticlimatic, that's all.

Also, you should make a template statement if you want the game to end as soon as all votes are in (although I'm not sure if it's not too late and MP is away already for the time being).

In case you do, that is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm thinking of switching to JJJ for a bit, then on MM, then no nvmd, then get back on Russtifinko.

That's how bored I am right now.

You vote for me, and you're getting my vote.

Why, would ending with -5 instead of -6 piss you off that much?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seriously though, if you're civ, leave your vote where it is.

The serious face in this marmot is strong.

I'm thinking of switching to JJJ for a bit, then on MM, then no nvmd, then get back on Russtifinko.

That's how bored I am right now.

Diiny wrote:As promised.



Yes, that is how you pronounce Qu'est-ce que c'est.

Holeee hell, I'm shit tier at improvising stuff, compared to Jazz Man here and MacDougall (and, I assume, every other natural born RYMer).

Nice one mate.

Slowest.
Endgame.
Ever.

Well, I'm off to bed for good, this time.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russtinko

Whatever, nothing to lose either way. Unfortunately, whoever Drugs is, there's a good chance he drugged Jimmy, and Jimmy might get lynched if his vote gets redircted.

Hmm, good point, although JJJ found it somehow unlikely for Drugs to have drugged Blind, since they could have figured him out from previous kill fails.

If they figured out who Blind is, then the only way to kill him is to lynch him, so they would do all they could to lynch Blind.

I just think we need to be prepared if mafia is not lynched today.

I'm prepared for mafia to be lynched today. Magician's word.

"I'm gonna drug a player I can't night kill."

Sounds a bit counter-productive. He could have easily drugged And She Was and the role got lucky with the odds.

I'll be waiting to see how Russ behaves with his vote, at least.

linki: What Night 6?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russtinko

Whatever, nothing to lose either way. Unfortunately, whoever Drugs is, there's a good chance he drugged Jimmy, and Jimmy might get lynched if his vote gets redircted.

Hmm, good point, although JJJ found it somehow unlikely for Drugs to have drugged Blind, since they could have figured him out from previous kill fails.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russtifinko - Last visited: Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Day 13 ended at Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:39 pm. Call me paranoid, but could Russ have even sent the nightkill in?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Since I have instructed all players with Night PMs to submit them early, the Night 13 post will come very shortly.

I'm going to bed.

Oh, Marsh is here. Com'on, Marsh! Put a vote, mention you want an early finale and let's go have some cold ones.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yes, definitely come to the spectator chat, deadies and spectators! It's fun.

Can I come, too?

If you die first, sure.

Talk with the baddies or with Psycho Killer, oh wait.



linki: I think it's mine as well. Film Directors was 1 town - 2 mafia #1 - 1 mafia #2 and Watchmen was 2-1-1. I didn't catch any other endgame.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yes, definitely come to the spectator chat, deadies and spectators! It's fun.

Can I come, too?

MM will finish unlynchable yet again, but at least on the side of good, this time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just remembered that there's no mafia kill in any possible Night 14.

WE GON WIN. WE GON WIN.

The good part is that, if by any stretch of the imagination, you are Drugs, you stand no chance of winning anymore, either.

I mean, com'on, he's Drugs. He can't do shit until N15. That's enough time to even lynch JJJ out of fun.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:HOSTS: Does the mafia team inherit Psycho Killer's even nights kill slot?

No.

Could've said that earlier, instead of making me look like a fool.

Eh, then why are we still playing, then? It's ogre.

on the plus side, I could reach 1K and JJJ 1.5

although it'd be cheating and spamming, at this point

I can even have part of my spreadsheets and post-game thoughts ready, if we're to spend 48 hours wrapping this up

linki: LOL, how many times will you forget that kills are inherited

tfw Russ will probably just spite us and declare his funeral be 48 hours long

Welp, MM is out and Russ achieved his win con in real life and is probably getting laid, so it'll still be a wait.

I have to go to bed in an hour, tops, but I hope I wake up tomorrow to celebrate.

RUSSTIFINKO

Town, rejoice!

Thanks for taking care of Angel, Diiny.

Can't we, like, wrap it up in 1 hour, instead of 48?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Congratulations, Ricochet!

I sense death is next.

WAIT

JJJ, would ACEO alter my shot at winning as town in any way?

linki: oh nvmd then

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We gonna have a Three Amigos finish? Three Musketeers?

Rico and MM, if you betray me I will fall into months of depression.

Well, one of us three might still get offed, so probably not a finish per se.

If I go down, make sure you listen to my words, though, or I'll beat you both into depression.

linki: How 'bout me?

RUSS AND WE WIN*

*except if JJJ is Satan

linki: Again, Diiny, all my respects for your game. I'm sorry it came down to an uphill battle for you.

RUSS guys. RUSS!

Diiny wrote:So that no suspicion of you being the sk/being lynched for being the sk falls on you

oh you

linki: Hear hear.

Over 900.

Diiny wrote:Still doing my best at the end of a long day phase where it's been consistently anti-me. I want town to win. Bottom line.

@Rico, I don't know exactly how it'll work, but you can't exactly be seen NOT trying to push the SK lynch, so why not make it as easy as possible and easy-button so that it doesn't fall on you?

What?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Diiny wrote:And yeah, my fear is that Rico wins tomorrow so he can just pin me as sk

If you flip mafia instead of SK, I'd very likely have to put up with hell tomorrow, so that MM and JJJ won't pick me over Russ and crash the whole town game into ashes. How is that "winning tomorrow"?

Sounds like you've put some thought into that.

I've put thought into everything I need to do to combat the baddies for luring you and MM into lynching the wrong person and losing the game.

What Diiny said makes no sense. As the SK, it would be in my interest to knowingly put him down as SK, because that would simplify my Day tomorrow?

Diiny wrote:And yeah, my fear is that Rico wins tomorrow so he can just pin me as sk

If you flip mafia instead of SK, I'd very likely have to put up with hell tomorrow, so that MM and JJJ won't pick me over Russ and crash the whole town game into ashes. How is that "winning tomorrow"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I will note that a SK role wouldn't preclude Rico from the privilege of drawing the deductions this phase that he has drawn. Even if he makes a concerted effort to confirm MM and I, one mislynch is probably all he'd need to win. So the potential for a setup job by Rico does exist.

Whilst true that simply by knowing myself not being bad doesn't exclude me to others from the equation, but, again, my deduction and confirming efforts should point at something that a SK could not be truly invested with. The mafia's process of elimination, so to speak, is everyone not part of them. The SK's process of elimination is everyone but him. This is not the process I have been doing.

Solving the game is a crucial element of appearing a part of the town cause. I think any SK would make an effort to do that in this phase.

Make the distinction, then. It's in your interest, as town, to figure out what tools I might have and am using in "solving the game". If I were SK, I would have no such tools and would rather be bluffing, both about myself and the one(s) I'm trying to paint as bad.

I have not yet been caught cheating with the town in such a manner, to such a huge extent, either by being bad or rogue and this game won't be the day it happens, either. I am town and I am giving it all that I have.

two linkis and I still didn't correct that typo:

angel*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I will note that a SK role wouldn't preclude Rico from the privilege of drawing the deductions this phase that he has drawn. Even if he makes a concerted effort to confirm MM and I, one mislynch is probably all he'd need to win. So the potential for a setup job by Rico does exist.

Whilst true that simply by knowing myself not being bad doesn't exclude me to others from the equation, but, again, my deduction and confirming efforts should point at something that a SK could not be truly invested with. The mafia's process of elimination, so to speak, is everyone not part of them. The SK's process of elimination is everyone but him. This is not the process I have been doing.

Congratulations, Russ!! Did you use drugs or thanked her for sending an angle into your life?

I've tried to look at you as mafia, Diiny, but, although in the recap that I did up to D6 there were some signs to be interpreted (particularly D2 and D3), I cannot find it in any way likelier than you being SK, because of D6. And since you and Russ have to be the last baddies, of which I'm certain, this further deduction follows as such.

I did do an effort (incomplete, no doubt, because of my limited time) to filter again your history through the SK lens, but as far as the latest responses go, they're responses to what you are puttting up for discussion. Which I find it to be ideas you can't entirely clarify, that don't make too much sense or that you're using to wiggle or to throw it all back on me.

There's more ways to interpret that first bit of your paragraph.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:What are you getting from Diiny, in this regard, right now?

Not much. I was lying about changing my vote.

You never tricked me for a second.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:And, again, you're suddenly judging tone instead of logic, after the above amount of days and posts you've invested focusing on the second, because...?

People tend to be the most revealing in crunch time.

If that would be always the case with handling defenses and rebuttals, civs would never win a game ever.

And yes, before I'm being pointed at myself, I can get very intense, but I also counter with trying to make people understand why I don't look the way people wrongfully accuse me to.

What are you getting from Diiny, in this regard, right now? Your last impressions was that you don't get what his trying to say with his PSK N5 theories and that you'd rather let him finish his cases, rather than keep conversing on the same cliffnotes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Might change my vote to Rico.

You still want to win this, after 37 days and 1400 posts, right? 'Cause then, you should do anything but vote for me.

Did you solve the N5 dilemma or what am I missing?

Diiny is showing earnest emotion. You're showing snark.

Where is the snark? Diiny is coming with more and more illogical, grasp-at things. It's my duty to make sure the last baddies don't lure the other civs into not finishing them.

It's why I sent Russ' girlfriend over at his place.

And, again, you're suddenly judging tone instead of logic, after the above amount of days and posts you've invested focusing on the second, because...?