The Syndicate

imma play the video game for a bit and then sleep

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:54 pm yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read

he looks kind of surface level scummy and he gets mischopped and he flips town. ive seen this play thousand of times. so the giga brain move here is to townread him despite him looking kinda meh, predicting that he will flip town despite looking meh. beat the system. stack the deck.

A considerable amount of giga brain moving is already requested:
- that we lynch Creature cuz they hate and shutdown when mafia
- that we lynch Sean cuz they panik and keep mum when mafia
- that we townread Vivax cuz they resort to scrambling as town

Of those, Vivax exhibits either a loss of steam during the second half of today or increasingly less convincing angles and ideas, this vote being the lowest

Main wagon rn is:
- SVS vote, reasoned on tutuu's talk and ideas being sketchy
- Zenon vote, thrown off the bat
- Meatbaby vote, not even written in the thread
- motoboat, not-comprehensibly worded vote

Counterwagon rn is:
- tutuu vote, on meta
- falcon vote, unreasoned or sheeping
- vivax vote, unreasoned, after some light inquiry into the meta angle

I don't wish to contribute further to Zenon's displeasure - in case I am guilty of that - but it should not be difficult to comprehend that one cannot objectively read a player who plays under no alignment mindset. I don't even take true offence in it, since it was only a couple of hours and surely no deliberate move or gambit, but it still leaves me, player X in this game X, at a complete loss, because everything pre-role-informed is void and everything post-role-informed is (so far) just tantrum.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:08 pm tutuu
martin
scotty
jay

rico
svs
zenon
rondo

sean
creature

I know this is the result of surveying the thread, but it still reads weird and off to place total inactives dead red and everything else dead town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:12 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:10 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:07 pm Sean might be rly busy town or he could be mafia

Second inactive poster you focus on reading for whatever reason.

Ping.

Sean is very polarized. Easy to find as town from a few posts. He gets nked early. He pushes a lot. As mafia he just sits there and cracks jokes and doesnt push people

Is it that black and white?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:14 pm I have no opinion on the active posters that i haven't voiced already

Im not focusing on inactive posters forsaking the active posters

Ive already done what i can with the active posters, this a step of effort further

Fair enough.

Any of the blue folks you'd change to a more nuanced read/color, beside the item pick factor?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:07 pm Sean might be rly busy town or he could be mafia

Second inactive poster you focus on reading for whatever reason.

Ping.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:52 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.

Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.

The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.

I further explained my reasoning for Vivax. That I agreed with what JJJ was seeing doesn’t mean I didn’t also have that thought separately.

But I’m not fussed about it, because I don’t really care about how my reads are being taken. I’m just vibing, baby

In theory, once you've picked a wave to surf, you can further do anything with it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.

Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.

The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.

I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:56 pm
diebabymeat

motobot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:18 pm Sorry for not posting, but I think I know who I'm voting for and that's tutuu. It seems tutuu was trying to get there way then when everyone found that out tutuu tried to say that they were just saying what they thought. That's why I'm voting tutuu.

I don't follow.

Vivax has three posts rn, all with certain reads (yay on paper).

Post #1 is a bit of a mix(ed bag) of mechtalk, AI claim and hopping on some pings.
The claim that he would steal the protections as wolf strikes as rushed in rationale, i.e. omitting the downside of gaining hunger votes in the process (he stated there would be no "drawbacks" in fact). Is Vivax the type of wolfplayer who would, indeed, steal town benefits and dare to play with vote weights on? Who knows. Anyway, this statement only leads to WIFOM, if judged seriously. "I would" / "I would never". Mkay.
The ping on tutuu is not much at all. (At worst it was probably a total skim of tutuu's other posts)
The ping on Rondo is without much (in-game) sense to what was already a Rondo statement without much (in-game) sense.

Post #2 was on me and I found it funny. I mean, as far as what I've said, I thought I was pretty reasoned and surveyed different aspects. But the funny side of his angle - probably hasn't played with me (at all? not much?) - is that I am indeed a monument of excess in verbiage and reasoning.

Post #3 was on Scotty and I kind of vibe of it. Scotty's sus is one thing, but his phrasing that SVS would be overly cautious in her mechtalk feels a bit ech. It doesn't feel unreasonable of Vivax to see it this way or point it out.

In relation to JJJ's take, I don't (or didn't) feel as pinged by these posts. #1 is probably the worst. The other two give the vibe of invested play and reading into undertext.

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:08 am I'm town. Glad we got that out of the way. Now play the fucking game and stop being weird about me for choosing to play it

I need neither expletives nor accusations thrown at me for pointing that you played blindfolded mafia for half a day and it's void of any proper mafia reading, thanks.

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:49 am Actually doing what? Playing the game lol?

How can we read you if you play without actual knowledge of your alignment?

Did you read it now? Who are your wolfmates?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:17 am @Zenon has been posting without having read her role pm just clarifying and remembering for myself too to not read into what shes said so far as ai

Hm? How do you figure she hasnt?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:00 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:58 am What do you townlock those four for?

They picked non-food

lol

What do you townlock those four for?

Six out of 18 items are non-food. So, by design, some town will inevitably pick them (or have to).

Mafia depriving town of nightkill protection, at the cost of going +1 in votes, sounds like a proper Epig game balance. They could, but then it depends on drawing (repeatedly) less heat in the game.

Vibe right now is that mech-based conjecturing isn't that valuable. The game has madness, it will develop.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:44 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:11 am Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?

Obv i wouldn't scumread someone for picking food if they had no other choice

Im not scumreading people who are picking food in the first place lol

Maybe I missread, but there was some „if I was mafia I would have picked food, ergo townread me yall" + "waiting to see what seanzie picks, they be mafia if picking food" stuff.

And "picking non-food is towny", which later you 180d into "oh no town will go hungry and lose on mechanics, must pick food"

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:27 am Man....idk how I wanna go about these thinking about it.

Zenon let's lean town.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Let's lean this wolf.

Lean on me
When you're not strong
And I'll be your friend
I'll help you carry on...

Caught up, nothing new of substance to infer.

Porscha's post feel floaty - or floatiest of them all.

Rondo in whatever "throwing paint onto canvas and not even with a consistent thoughttrain" tier can be made up.

Weird tiny aggression in meatball's response to Rondo.

Excess is my eighth middle name.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:59 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:48 am Define ”again”.

You and scotty have tried to soft scum me this game. I see some team work

You're inflating a ping to a wolfread.

Still doesn't account for the again-ness of my endeavour.

Define ”again”.

I am now hungry in real life, laters.

Page two and the mech talk is fine, I suppose. Easy pocket material, tho, especially with the prevalent "ooh tutuu is town for mechtalking this much" sentiment.

Tutuu still bit wishwashy or just plain derpy now with the whole "town be swag and not pick food" but then "oh wait getting increasingly hungry will lose game for town" progression.

Ping on Rondo asking to be grouped with the mechtalkers. For what? Or what kind of cred?

I don't think the game will be faultily designed (especially with this being an Epig game) as to reach a mechanical loss i.e. fX town being starved or mafia hogging all the protections each time.

Can people cast their votes in writing as well, please and thank you? I know it's not a rule, but it will be impossible to follow any vote progression otherwise.

Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?

I take it the tool descriptions were already written in the host post, before players picked them?

Hello. I am town. Wish me luck.

Nothing but food left, I see. I'll have [VOTE: Fish] aubergine for me and me two kitts.

I will also be playing the video game in the meantime. (If you want me to spoiler my thoughts on it, lemme know)