The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I think the drug + Blind risk can apply for today (so far meaning I could die? ).
That's what I was trying to tell you. :P

I... hang on to what I got. You... say what you want to.

I think the drug + Blind risk can apply for today (so far meaning I could die?

). If a second player is drugged, then D15 sounds a bit doomy, indeed...

linki: That's a bit disappointing. Dead/spectators chat on Jesus Toast Mafia, for instance, is a thread that gets revealed post-game. How are we supposed to browse the chatzy history, for instance? It doesn't allow to scroll too far in the past, without premium account and such bullsuit.

a2thezebra wrote:I could get more posts than even JJJ if I spammed the shit out of this game before it ends.

Makes me wonder who the top poster in the spectators thread is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Back on topic.

Jay, you suggested two potential mafia teams of two players. Would you agree or disagree that if there were two mafia left, then this game would effectively be over?

Maybe not, with the mafia killess until N15. Plus night kill shenanigans and drug-related restrictions.

But I don't believe in this two mafia left theory, of course.

http://ytcropper.com/cropped/P056426661826bb

100 PMs from MP wanting to know if I'll do it or not.

I fixed it.

15 more posts, now's the time to ask me to commit suicide, MM.

Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Then again, considering how much TH spammed in Death Note to climb his way up there...
These are outrageous allegations

Not to mention you would have died on D4, if only you were bulletproof...

My 1K would be genuine survival mode.

linki:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just another 1.5 hours until game ends.

Well, hopefully, that is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:My performance in this game would be on that list if I were still alive. I'm not sure I'll ever hit 1000 in a game though. That's too intense for me!

Rico... catch that turnip.
I wanna, but it also feels like semi-cheating, because it's OT and small talk instead of intense talk.

Then again, considering how much TH spammed in Death Note to climb his way up there...
Would you believe me if I told you I had less than 100 posts at the start of Day 5?

Yes, you always lose ground by missing a phase or a cycle due to rocks.

Would you believe me if I told you you were ahead of me around D8-9?

This page is almost entirely OT.

TheFloyd73 wrote:How many posts did I get? 120 or something?

Triple J, you have too much time in your hands.

You have 89 posts right now.

I was going to answer to this in the previous post I made, but then I forgot, I swear.

Golden wrote:My performance in this game would be on that list if I were still alive. I'm not sure I'll ever hit 1000 in a game though. That's too intense for me!

Rico... catch that turnip.

I wanna, but it also feels like semi-cheating, because it's OT and small talk instead of intense talk.

Then again, considering how much TH spammed in Death Note to climb his way up there...

Tfw I had a synthesizer today at a rehearsal, but we got started right away and there were too many musicians around, ensemble or otherwise, to try to improv some TH tunez.

Four hours and a half left for me in my chase for the Turnip.

I have to study right now, but in an hour or so, if anyone wants to talk, let's talk.

I'm considering posting any post-game related thought in the spectators thread, as to not spoil whatever my final count here will be, will that be possible? Or a special post-game thread?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, so here is the Top 10 "posts in thread" of all time at The Syndicate... but, as Rico noted, these are including post-game posts for all non-Talking Heads games:

1. JaggedJimmyJay 1440 [Talking Heads]
2. Turnip Head 1001 [Death Note]
3. Ricochet 976 [Talking Heads]
4. Chris 952 [Doctor Who]
5. Metalmarsh89 900 [Talking Heads]
6. MovingPictures07 858 [Doctor Who]
7. DharmaHelper 822 [Death Note]
8. Metalmarsh89 719 [Death Note]
9. Sloonei 705 [Bullets Over Broadway]
10. Golden 692 [Bullets Over Broadway]

Honorable mention to:
Epignosis 673 [Death Note]

Ooh, so TH did pass the 1K post-death-game...

[quote]4. Chris 952 [Doctor Who] [/quote]

Who dat?

[quote]5. Metalmarsh89 900 [Talking Heads] [/quote]

Whoa hey! Congrats MM!

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I may have the post record now, but is Rico now soundly in the top 3?
Top 10 posters in this thread:

JaggedJimmyJay 1440
Ricochet 974
Metalmarsh89 900
Epignosis 491
Matt F 459
Diiny 445
MacDougall 432
a2thezebra 316
motel room 305
Strawhenge 284
I think he meant top 3 all time. I remember Turnip stopping a few posts short of 1K - more specifically, winning the game 10-15? posts short of 1K, then symbolically refusing to pass the threshold, simply by posting post-game.

That being said, I wouldn't mind the #2 spot.
Oh, that makes sense.

I am not sure what top 3 of all time are... Let me get back to you on that.

Tony R 18381375704873761488582 posts

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I may have the post record now, but is Rico now soundly in the top 3?
Top 10 posters in this thread:

JaggedJimmyJay 1440
Ricochet 974
Metalmarsh89 900
Epignosis 491
Matt F 459
Diiny 445
MacDougall 432
a2thezebra 316
motel room 305
Strawhenge 284

I think he meant top 3 all time. I remember Turnip stopping a few posts short of 1K - more specifically, winning the game 10-15? posts short of 1K, then symbolically refusing to pass the threshold, simply by posting post-game.

That being said, I wouldn't mind the #2 spot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Ricochet wrote:My call on Diiny, just like my call on Mac, is precisely the proof by which the others should trust me and to carry on with the plan in order for town to win this lylo.
Why should your call on Mac be of major significance eight game cycles after his lynch?

A while ago, when I was asked what's the strongest town evidence, I referenced my call and hunt on Mac. Now I've got the calls on Diiny and Russ as well. Nothing specific about Mac lingers on right now, eight cycles after he was lynched, but the common factor I've done back then and what I've been doing N12 through right now are: quick reaction, undeterred hunting, immediate results, absolute trust going in the right direction.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rico, you were willing and eager to engage alternative prospects to a Diiny SK flip during Day 13 -- including asking me to case Russ as a possible SK based on the victims. While your language might have been confident, I'm not sure I can associate that confidence with anything other than your mentality and morale considering this.

That is true. My confidence in Diiny and Russ being the last two baddies, cemented after Wilgy's death, which stems from my deductions, is not the same thing with my belief that Diiny was SK, purely based on reads and him fitting the profile the most.

JJJ, I think I mentioned it before, but just so it can help you again to project which of the SK victims might have been also bad, I think it's pretty clear Fuzz was Love for Sale.

vote placement analysis on Night 12*, sorry

Russtifinko wrote:Quick reply as I'm headed out the door to work. Rico, the idea that Wilgy isn't proven bad is a major point in your posts above, but you yourself started from this assumption in your case on me earlier today. Make the assumption or don't, but don't say you can make it to case me and I can't make it to case you.

Is this still about the vote placement analysis on Night 13. Because if so, of course I started with the assumption that Wilgy could be bad. I was not able to tell which one of you or Wilgy might be bad, so I tried that analysis. I didn't manage to figure it out solely based on that analysis - hence my posted frustration.

However, once Wilgy was dead, I no longer had any more dilemma, because you were the only baddie left.

Did I make more connections that this between you and Wilgy? I honestly can't understand. What I certainly didn't do is profile you as badbased on interactions with a Wilgy I had no alignment clue of - which is what you just did!

Russtifinko wrote: You've also made the assumption (as has MM) that Drugs is the final baddie role, so I went from that starting point as well. Doesn't make it true, but since you and MM are free to assume it, don't tell me doing so makes me bad.

If you're thinking there's only one baddie left and implying Drugs isn't the last one, that quoi????

If you're thinking there's more than two baddies left, then you're free to suspect any two players, but as far as I am concerned, my deductions makes it impossible. I'm good, I'm certain MM is good, I believe JJJ is good = you are Drugs.

Russtifinko wrote:
Ricochet wrote:My call on Diiny, just like my call on Mac, is precisely the proof by which the others should trust me and to carry on with the plan in order for town to win this lylo.
What??????? Again, this is EXACTLY my point. EVERYONE wants the SK dead, so the fact that you helped get him says nothing whatsoever about your alignment. That you're presenting it as such is ludicrous and you know it. And your Mac "call" was one baddie in a game with 7. What do you want, a medal?

This is not just about Diiny. This is about all my confident calls and why they're so confident.

And, yes, I woudn't mind a medal for Mac. It was my most confident call at that time and that's precisely the point. It also helped correct the course of the game, for that time being; we were going from mislynch to mislynch, with the main wagons also being civs. I flipped the perspective and a baddie emerged.

Rico in real live wire mode is towniest Rico possible on the face of the planet.

Russtifinko wrote:Maybe "do it fast and hard" is a bit dramatic there, since Rico only actually truly bussed once. I got a little caught up in the case, and I rescind it. To clarify, I think he lightly bussed Wilgy and truly bussed Mac when it was clear Mac was going to go down within the next 1-2 days for the credit.

Rico bussed Wilgy requires confirmation or an actual case from you on Wilgy being bad. Where is that knowledge or where did you extract it from?

Russtifinko wrote: Keep in mind, Rico also only voted a baddie who had an actual chance to be lynched on one even Day. If he's Drugs, that makes good good sense.

It doesn't make any sense. The first sentence is not entirely true, because Mac being up for lynch was not a given until on D6 (to which, ahem, I contributed) and because Mac still had a counterwagon shot of surviving until the bitter end of that D6. The Drugs association in the second sentence makes no sense.

Russtifinko wrote: I think there's plenty to go on here, but if I had more time I'd do a more extensive analysis of his recent stuff, like how I think he's using credit from the Diiny lynch to present himself as civ and win your trust so he could have a shot at winning in exactly this lylo situation.

My call on Diiny, just like my call on Mac, is precisely the proof by which the others should trust me and to carry on with the plan in order for town to win this lylo.

Russtifinko wrote: Further evidence he's trying to ride the cred wave: his case on me is about as lazy and weak as you can get for a guy who's written 25 pages of stuff in a game.

Same faulty argument as it ever was. If you're so desperately cling on to it, it's lazy and weak on your behalf.

Russtifinko wrote: I'm gonna close here because I desperately need to sleep, but I'll say this to JJJ and MM as a final point

Can't help noticing JJJ is finally back in the circle of people you care about. Back 6 or 7 hours ago it was "MM's vote is the only one that matters.

Russtifinko wrote: You both know Rico and I to some extent as mafia players. To me this comes down to one of 2 theories: (1) I played the worst baddie game in history, bussing teammates left and right when it stopped me from using my role power and made no sense to do so. Rico also played a pretty terrible game as a civ.

Sorry, but that's not true. I think you played an excellent baddie game by king bussing. Yeah, I get what you're saying, I'm not insensitive to someone using the "would I be this dumb" argument, even I used it when faced with accusations about hard defending LC or going cannibal on Mac as my own teammate.

On the contrary, you did not do dumb moves. You did the right moves that, should this lylo be between vanilla (or lesser powered civs) and mafia, would make it genuinely touch to assess whether you are the last baddie or not. As hard as it kinda was back in Watchmen, in fact (although back there you mostly coasted on good looks to finish the job as SK).

Just like with Diiny, I will say the same to you: it is unfortunate that your game crumbled due to role deductions leaving only you as possible candidate. But it's also a misfortune of leaving Deductions Man survive for so long as to have it all figured out. Which is what I've been here to do, in a decisive way, since N12. It is what it is, it's no less part of how a mafia game can unfold.

Also, the night skips stopped everyone from using their role power. No reason to victimise yourself or anyone else.

Russtifinko wrote: Or (2): Rico played a prototypical baddie game where he bussed teammates only when he thought it was absolutely necessary, and did an damned impressive job keeping us guessing up until this point. I played a pretty solid civ game with a few notable holes (e.g. tunneling motel and missing Floyd). You guys can decide which is more likely.

What's stopping me from playing the "how dumb would I be, as baddie, to have never bussed Floyd and Bullzeye when I had potential decisive votes on them" card, just like you did?

Besides, this "bussing only when necessary" theory does not hold ground, because bussing c/would have been necessary on the Day LC was lynched, on the Days Floyd was near lynched or lynched and on the Day Bullzeye was lynched. Those were, in fact, more predictable lynches than Mac was on D6, so in theory a bussing would have been required on any of these more than on the only bussing you accuse me of having done.

It's hard to hold on to the ground.

Ok, the next post at least has a confirmed baddie in the equation (Mac), so there's reason to offer rebuttals here. It's way more undercooked than the Wilgy interaction angle, however, and here's why:

Russtifinko wrote:4:21am on Tesday, Oct 13, soft defense of Mac from Golden (and a criticism of a towered of JJJ thrown in for good measure)

Russtifinko wrote:Less than an hour later, 2:01pm Tuesday, Oct 13th, soft defends Mac from Golden again:

Asking people to justify their votes towards a player is soft defending, once that player flips mafia. Tinfoil. Probably meant to serve your smear intentions.

Russtifinko wrote:1:19pm on Tuesday, Oct 13th, suspects Macdougall, or at least the point I brought up about Mac saying lynching townies is ok:

I can't remember off the top of my head who acted surprised or was wary of MacDougall's Sorsha lynch mentality first, but yeah, what you quoted was exactly me being unnerved by Mac suddenly bringing up such an argument on the table. It's a normal reaction.

Russtifinko wrote:Day 5, he spent a lot of time defending Mac from Matt F's theory, which I think we can now all agree was baloney but was actually getting some amount of heat onto Mac.

Again, not defending as much as keeping grasp on logic when assessing what suspicions in the thread are based on. Matt's SK theory on Mac did not hold much ground, which even you agree on. The interpretations that it was "defending" and "desire to get heat off a baddie" are just convenient post-flip misconstruing on this. Even JJJ, on Day 6, despite his strongest townread on Mac, criticised him at a point when Mac had gone off rails with a theory not making sense, making JJJ say "nope, that's a stretch and I can't work with that or accept it". Does it make him bad? No, it makes him having followed logic in assessing what is thrown in the talk bowl. Same as I did. I never accepted or hunted Mac for Matt's angle, so how can this say anything of me being bad or not?

Russtifinko wrote:Day 6, however, he was suddenly second to hop on the lynch train.

Here's where I think you get a bit slimey. You only interpret only the timing of my vote, but disregard everything I did on that Day. I did not "hop on a lynch train". I pushed that lynch train further from where it was stationed, since the previous Days, as soon as that Day phase broke. This is entirely incompatible with you claiming I judged a right timing when to hop on a bus to squash Mac as a teammate.

Not to mention, my 100% turn on lynching Mac D6 has a clear explanation to anyone who can figure it out, just like my 100% turn on lynching Diiny and you D13 has the same explanation. And it ain't no switcherooing. It ain't no cozy blending. It ain't no fooling around.

For a player who accused me of baseless accusations, you sure removed all the base from my D6 hunt on Mac down to being a bunny hopping on his lynch. Actually, you removed everything.

Russ' first post

Ok, so as soon as I started since the name Wilgy popping up and Russ making Rico-Wilgy connections, I started wondering what? huh? que-ce que c'est? Is Russ making a case on me and Wilgy teammates? How does he know Wilgy was bad? How can you make a baddie interaction projection when neither members have flipped visible to the thread as such?

If the general equation is that TWO people in a group of A, B and C are the last two baddies and B gets eliminated and no bad faction (SK or Mafia) was eliminated, it does not result that B was bad. This must be some kind of a bad fallacy. It also makes me think that, in the likelihood of Wilgy being bad, which Russ would know as mafia, he's skipping logic and doing these projections.

Ok, so basically my brain started looking for Russ' reason for building this angle, since it's so illogical ("distancing from a player that... I'm not even saying is bad or am able to say so?") and oh here it is

Russtifinko wrote:I realize it looks like I harped on the Wilgy thing a lot here. I realize that a connection to Wilgy in and of itself is not the strongest part of my case. However, I fixated on it a bit because it's just mind-boggling to me that his case on me is "You voted with Wilgy to get 3 baddies" when, if you count the one-off nothing vote as "with Wilgy", 6 times! (5 if you don't count it). He got one baddie, but again, he's awful proud of it. Two of the other times he voted for Wilgy, and not once did he voice any nervousness about voting repeatedly with a guy who ostensibly remained a suspect all game long but was never pursued. To reiterate, his case is "Russ voted with Wilgy to kill baddies 3 times and has no other similarities with Wilgy", while his own votes show a relation to Wilgy a remarkable 75% of the time Wilgy was alive.

Russtifinko wrote:his case on me is "You voted with Wilgy to get 3 baddies" when, if you count the one-off nothing vote as "with Wilgy", 6 times! (5 if you don't count it).

Stop fixating on a case that you either clearly don't understand or you intentionally misinterpret! I've explained already the purpose of my end of Night 12 analysis and you keep being one-note about it. I did not make the end of Night 12 vote analysis to reach such a conclusion, as the one you state. I did not reach any conclusion off of it, so how can you say it's "my case on you". I can't reach a conclusion in an analysis that is about how extremely difficult it is to reach a conclusion in this analysis. Snake eating its own tail faulty logic.

If this is really your actual angle, then it's completely flawed or intentionally misconstrued and you need to go revise your entire Wilgy angle post or it doesn't count for anything.

So yeah, I see no incentive for the moment to reply to this post bit by bit, because:

a) it projects a baddie interaction (distancing) between two players in which none have been proven to be bad
b) it stems from reflecting back on me what Russ believes to have been a conclusion of an analysis I did, in the same terms, on him, but that was neither an actual conclusion, nor was that my entire case, throughout the game, on what would make Russ look bad

You can't build such a case unless you're skipping logic or are nefarious with good intent.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Morning. Fell asleep again. Grabbing my cup of Pepsi and making myself an omelette and will reply afterwards.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 14 continues.
And the heat goes on.
Pepsi doesn't go well with omelette.

Everything must go well with Pepsi in the morning or else I won't go well with anything.

Morning. Fell asleep again. Grabbing my cup of Pepsi and making myself an omelette and will reply afterwards.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 14 continues.

And the heat goes on.

MovingPictures07 wrote:My list would be:
1. Remain in Light
2. Fear of Misa
3. Speaking in Tongues
4. More Songs About Buildings and Food
5. 77
6. Naked
7. True Stories
8. Little Creatures

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants to rank Talking Heads albums from best to worst?

Remain in Light
'77
More Songs About Buildings and Food
Speaking in Tongues
Fear of Music
Naked
literal flip coin between Little Creatures and True Stories, considering how much they both suck

Com'on, JJJ, pick up your phone!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russ, you and Jay have already taken the CEO position away from me with your votes. I won't let Ricochet take this from me.

Don't get upset, it's not a major disaster.

Ricochet wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:At least starting tomorrow, I'll finally be able to focus on real life issues, like studying, writing a PhD, reading Rimbaud, finding a new girlfriend, improve my omelettes... Oh and check out this Talking Heads this whole game has been about. Are they any good?
I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones, ain't got no records to play.

Too little too late, my friend. Rico has had the lyric thing locked down since like Day 2.
You never know. MM did after all beat my two whole Days of crafting videos in Syndicate by posting a video of a llama kicking a man...

Oh wait, that was "MM".

Russtifinko wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:At least starting tomorrow, I'll finally be able to focus on real life issues, like studying, writing a PhD, reading Rimbaud, finding a new girlfriend, improve my omelettes... Oh and check out this Talking Heads this whole game has been about. Are they any good?
I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones, ain't got no records to play.

Too little too late, my friend. Rico has had the lyric thing locked down since like Day 2.

You never know. MM did after all beat my two whole Days of crafting videos in Syndicate by posting a video of a llama kicking a man...

At least starting tomorrow, I'll finally be able to focus on real life issues, like studying, writing a PhD, reading Rimbaud, finding a new girlfriend, improve my omelettes... Oh and check out this Talking Heads this whole game has been about. Are they any good?

Russtifinko wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why is MM's vote the only one that matters?
Ohh, I think I get why now. If by accident I'm killed (although, honestly Russ, my death would absolutely bury you afterwards, on the following Day), Russ got to keep suss in his posts on JJJ, so that he can try to work out some final magic tomorrow and charm MM.
Again, not sure what you mean here. Maybe on this role deduction I'm actually ahead of you?

I can see why a baddie would be dead set on finding Blind but care less about the other roles, though.

Didn't understand a thing here.

You make it up as we go along.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Once we receive his approval, misa end da game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Problem is, JJJ is still at work and I am still short of the 1K.

linki: MP answered that. No.
Feels like a murder but that's alright

Post-game posts will surely get me there, but I think I finally get why TH felt it's not the same, if it didn't happen during the actual game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:You guys think JJJ would be alright with ending Day 14 early?

You should probably wait for a confirmation from him or text him at work, his boss, his girlfri- oh wait.

Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why is MM's vote the only one that matters?

Ohh, I think I get why now. If by accident I'm killed (although, honestly Russ, my death would absolutely bury you afterwards, on the following Day), Russ got to keep suss in his posts on JJJ, so that he can try to work out some final magic tomorrow and charm MM.

Problem is, JJJ is still at work and I am still short of the 1K.

linki: MP answered that. No.

So I'm drugged?

If you can tell MM is town (and which town) based on motel room results, then who is Blind in your conception, Russ? You're clearly not claiming him one bit and it's statistically too on the nose for you to have been that lucky on Days 2, 4 and 6 not to have changed the outcome of any of those lynches. You just said JJJ and myself could be last TWO baddies, so you're clearly misfiring your own deductions by leaving out a key town active player.

It's all hard logic to follow.

Ricochet wrote:Why is MM's vote the only one that matters?

Russtifinko wrote:
There's also this:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russtifinko - Last visited: Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Day 13 ended at Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:39 pm. Call me paranoid, but could Russ have even sent the nightkill in?

Debunked as soon as MM posited it.

JJJ's at work and I doubt Russbadsky will agree to concede early.

Why is MM's vote the only one that matters?

Russtifinko wrote:You say you can't tell I m bad by simply disseminating votes, but again, though, your entire analysis is based on 3 votes in the entirety of a 14-Day game. You're ignoring gigantic swaths of evidence because it suits your purposes.

We can bicker all night, but frankly without MM here it's worthless. I say we get him in here, hash it all out once and for all, lynch the final baddie, and call it a game.

You're clinging on to one analysis, which was made at a justified stage when I was attempting to figure out of which one of you three players were at least the two baddies required to be eliminated, and you're just throwing everything up to the kitchen sink to discredit all my other efforts.

If the dilemma above I was trying to solve would have not been inadvertedly solved by Diiny killing Wilgy, I would have followed other paths to try to solve the dilemma. But since the dilemma was solved by night kill events...

My purposes are clean, because I have deducted the final baddies. Diiny was confirmed, you are all that's left.

MM's vote is currently on the final baddie, so...

Interesting you leave out JJJ of the picture. You only need MM's vote to "lynch the final baddie and call it a game"? Hmm.

Slight correction on the Mac vote placement: Diiny counterwagon had three votes already, including Mac, but then JJJ and Motel switched to BR (erm another baddie!). You finally voted Mac, Mac made his WIFOMy comment "ooh no Russ killed me for good, all hope is gone" and your job was done. Still makes perfect sense to extinguish tracks on you by voting a teammate.

Russtifinko wrote:Also, very minor point here, but you're lurking.

What?

Russtifinko wrote: Been up to that all game?

What?!

14 Days and your last resort is to call me a lurker. Me.

JJJ will probably regard this as snark again, but jesus almighty.

it was on Night 12 and I started making my projections on Night 12. that's before that read I referenced. Right after, Wilgy got killed by Diiny and you and Diiny remained the only logical baddies in my books. I'm using reads from Night 12 onwards, because that's when things cleared up for me. I am trying to end this game based on deductions which made you and Diiny the last baddies.

If you're going to call bunk a post out of multiple reads and analysis I did throughout 14 Days of mafia, that's just weak sauce accusation on your behalf.

That was also a post meant to try to distinguish between you, Diiny and Russ, which one could be the civ among the last two baddies (which was my dilemma at that time). I failed at that step. I did not use that to reach such a daft conclusion that you are both bad. The conclusion was I cannot tell which one of you are bad simply by disseminating the votes.

Yes, it makes perfect for you to act like top lyncher, when in fact you are King Busser. You put your vote on LC when there was no hope left for him, until Golden switched his vote and created some small hope for LC to try to save himself. You put your vote on Mac when the counterwagon (which, turns out, was civ fueled in its entirety) barely was taking shape. You put down Bullzeye due to perfect blending antagonism between the two of you (I wonder what that reminds me of...oh, right, LC and Mac).

You can do nothing to dissuade me, anyway, because I have my skills and my deductions. The former helped me deliver Mac, the latter helped me deliver Diiny as the SK (and that came true) and you as the last baddie (which will no doubt come true). You are even aware of this, which is why you're trying to shoot at me and lure the others to not eliminate you, rather than simply convince me you're not bad.

You are very good at mafia, no doubt about that.

Here you go, Russ. Three out of four baddie lynches, I couldn't distinguish between your and Wilgy's vote placement.

Russtifinko wrote:Also, the shenanigans you proposed were moving votes around willy-nilly. Granted, I support moving votes off of me, but in principle, moving votes just to move them does leave a lot of room for baddies to mess with the lynch, as MM pointed out.

I didn't propose anything. I made a joke about current boredom making me flex a bit. I never implied moving my vote in any permanent way.

Russtifinko wrote:Also, Blind does NOT have to be JJJ. You're only assuming that because he told you he thought he'd be around to endgame. That could also easily be because he and/or you are bad.

Linki: Provide evidence on the Wilgy thing, please, or at least list the baddies you're talking about. That's not a case, that's a baseless accusation.

He fits the profile and answered my subtle questions the way I expected it.

What baseless accusation? I said they come from past reads. I can certainly go find the analysis for you, but they're certainly there. They're the base.

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