The Syndicate

Have to sleep.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Porscha, a lot of your time stretch, at least today, was to deem pyx-flip-reads unfruitful. If so, what is fruitful for you and what are your reads?

The only strong one I noted is Delta and you're never even on that.

Mental map after ketchup:

Would not vote Epignosis. Melding more with his flip reads, especially on Delta, seems to continue hunting as on D1, no ping.

Would not vote Abigail. It's the most non-aligned, "if this was bus, it was a flambee size torching" perspective coming off the pyxxy read. Posited that pyxxy was a bus, which made me hope she would note candidates or something, but I don't think she did. Seems to think Delta looks poo post-flip, that it is all unfortunate.

Would not vote leetic today, which is quite the turnaround. But I'm seeing a hunt effort that I did not witness for a full D1, making me wonder what was all that D1 aggro needed for, if they can put things into perspectives and focus on interactions, angles, suspects like right now.

Would not vote Scrappy.

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Clearances for toDay:

TSP - only thing I noted down is that he townreads falcon on legacy (or... more than that?). and from the rest of the (otherwise pretty garbled) content, some specific posts and wordings make me not suspect him wolf

Sloonei, I suppose? though not without some gripes. Him positing that pyxxy might have randed as the lone landlord in West, thus explaning their deflated performance, sounded like a real stretch and bit pingworthy (for both offering no support of his for a post-flip read and perhaps trying to disincentivise others to scan). Then again sheeped an Epig angle (on Delta). Excused his time to play and low energy for the Day remained, but at least seemed consistent with a falcon reasoning and vote.

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I Dunno, Man

Seanzie - dunno how to feel about him atm and would leave it at that. Advocated for a focus on simple wolf hunting and came up with two names, give or take, that I noted. His sig angle don't make much sense to me. Falcon is a meta or ping read, feels more creditable.

sig - weirdest bit was something about "an Long Con case on Seanzie", which made me wonder what Long Con case on seanzie. focused on post-flip thoughts, has made reads, but at the same time I finished catch-up with no idea of what he is pursuing for real.

Long Con - noted down as another player sheeping Epig's work on Delta, prodding sig on why he's sheeping him. still no sense of what he is truly contributing at, in terms of hunting

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Suss / Vote heading that way in all likelihood

falcon - a player I have to judge on individual play itself, due to zero interaction post-pyx-flip. has this general prodding style of quote and talk and read asking, but tone-wise doesn't sound all that great, interested, invested. also noted an AtE-ish outburst at all pushes on him being wolfy. plus an OMGUS-like reaction to sig.

Porscha - likely on my post-pyx-flip radar. only strong case I noted was on Delta (and even that took an ask from Abigail to fully state). #926 was a very weird mood: after several D1 posts saying "naaah pyxxy wouldn't slank this way as wolf", D2 she said "welp wolves slanked as expected", which was a big huh? "Sees" something Seanzie is seeing, mkay. An entire dissent to the pyx-analysis angle, but as I've said, no strong notes on old-fashioned wolf hunting, either.

Delta - the worst looking post-pyx-flip and I read very little and nothing convincing in terms of rebuttal, otherwise seem to have townread several players (POrscha, Seanzie, TSP) and just that? is this deflation, dunno? but it is not putting at ease any developed suspicion

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:50 pm

This part checks out at least, that was post 120 and pyxxy's first post in this thread was 280. However, pyxxy did post in N0 and your response to the post above this one does suggest that you did check N0.

First ISO was an N0 check, yes.
Never included N0 in the later reads.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:39 pm Officially out of catch up hell here, thank baby Jesus.

I know the feel. This shit is draining.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:09 pm
The only useful thing I've gotten from your posts is a new band name.

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The Pyxxy Scientists

Guitar & keys secured, what's leetic playin?

I am here AMA(GR)

Started a catchup in a break, but now I don't recall if I stopped at page 20 or 21 fml

Be back later today/tonight.

In regards to me:

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:01 am Half a crowd, more comfy.

Scanning some N0, solely from people transferred to this facility.

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What is lamist?

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Caitlin - High poster pace, already feels like a chore to scan 80+ posts & lost focus halfway through tbh. Vibe was that she did a lot of convo and tells, but could have felt more substantive. Gonna rewind it later, in more depth, or just null it.

Delta - sticks out to me that most of their developed reads/gth (#608) happened off-screen (no argument or interaction with any of the mentioned except Sabi and leetic)

Epignosis - nothing of substance N0

falcon - enigma. fluff-a-thon

leetic - unpleasant tone vibes through almost all N0. only argument I found ok is the critique of Alison's take. early deems N0 content near-worthless, but then creates further "worthless" convo replying. quite aggro convo with nutella on the "interesting" debate and I fail to sense why such tone was needed - also bit of a piggyback from Guillotine's initial take. (side-note: would not exclude the chance of w/w between them and nutella, i.e. distancing fuel)

Long Con - chilled out N0

Porscha - bantered with several, couple of suss's. no ping, though if I'd nitpick, it'd be that out of them suss's, one on Alison feels like could have been more elaborated and one on sig is rather far orbit

Abigail - I've read everything and none of it was enlightening. also, as far as that wake-up-caitlin debate is concerned, though this would be more of a critique of Alison: apart from mental gymnastics, I see near-zero reason for wolves to do this in thread, N0

pyxxy - embarks on meme highway N0

Seanzie - off-screen small lean-list right off the bat

Scrappy who ??

sig - why have some treated sig as lhf/low-post, right now they have about the same amount of N0 as half of those in this group? on surmising town-helpful mindsets, one I can agree with (unlinking players as w/w too early, wrt Guillotine) and one I do not (negative / heated stuff demotivating town)

Sloonei - Sloonei appears to be playing this game

Spacedaisy - Kami

TSP - claimed slank N0

"embarks on meme highway N0". There are others who they posted similarly meaningless stuff on, so the pyxxy "read" doesn't stand out in that way at least.

If players did not post at all or did not post anything relevant during N0, I merely described what they did and left it at that. Same for Epignosis, Falcon, Sloonei.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:18 am Completing this

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Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss felt out of bound - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take [later edit: I now just might, after all, see note sig], but I can accept it's her particular style of reading. Meta vibe nitpick: dunno why I had reminiscence of town!Porscha being more engaged.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Seanzie* - Just to get nothingburger'd: no major issue with atm. Wish I'd meta-remember if his questioning those who give him a pass more than those who give him stinkeye would be AI. One developed lead (falcon), then nothing as consistent (shading players giving him a pass, sudden delta vote).

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long tbh
TSP - so unserious in everything (non-fluff) put forth
Abigail - Null slight towards a pass tbh. GTH is "scattered". Some reads are focused and fine (especially later on during Day), others brushed off, unreasoned or drawn from a meta hat. Labeled NAI everything about leetic's tone, then voted them why exactly?

Invisibile sector
Spacedaisy - absent. Weird to miss this much of the phase, but couldn't say if it's AI in some way.
pyxxy - absent. Maybe got shipped to "North (Korea) Facility"

Zone of concern
Sloonei - even since yesterday his activity gave me a strong impression of "skirting". Reads amount to poking "least-talked about" or absent players, plus a non-finalized suss on leetic. Heaviest candidate for me of a player I can't get a sense where he's playing at.
falcon* - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
sig - re-read got me concerned the facility split ideas seem a bit too specific and suss of TMI. don't like his reads amounting to just a LHF topic (absent player)
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

N/A
Scrappy Doo - I would need more meta on how this sock shenanigan played out. So far the sock player has done nothing serious and don't think there's info on what they would be allowed to do in-game.


*Back-of-mind, slight tinfoil on the timing of Seanzie suss'ing falcon that he's not exhibiting t!world sharpness, only for falcon to come right after and play more on-point, quizzing etc. Perchance a w/w signal or distancing or at least one wolf in this interaction?

pyxxy is in the "Invisibile sector" with the one-poster. Were they really the second least active player at that time? I'll have to check, although basically ignoring them isn't the greatest sign — although, would they be bold enough to single out their partner in this section, when they may be the only partner they have in this thread? Given it's in the middle of the post, where people tend to zone out, maybe?

I do believe or did believe, at that time of writing, that pyxxy had not posted at all. Hence the categorisation alongside equal zero-poster Daisy.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:16 pm

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:11 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:08 pm pyxxy wagon why?

Scrappy vote on pyxxy why?

Nothing about Pyxxy thus far has stood out as towny to me, my bystander reads are at least trying or have something there even if small, but there's no towny flair to Pyxxy at all. I also prefer a vote on him to Delta and Seanzie

What is town flair wrt Pyxxy? From re-reading, pyxxy last post at least argued that "flair" proved a wolf-play trait.

Wagons still within shifting range, do you prefer vote on him over falcon or leetic as well?

Has this exchange with Scrappy, which I've already covered Scrappy's side of. Asking Scrappy about the vote is completely fair, but asking about the entire wagon in the same post? I mean, that's not indicative on its own, but not the greatest of signs

Second post still seems to be dissuading Scrappy from voting pyxxy. The weird part about this is that they seem to believe pyxxy's meta claim, but would wolves be bold enough to act like that to their partners? Did they treat anyone else in this way?

I'll say this, I don't believe I can come out cleared or without suspicion from a pyxxy flip ISO. I accept all scrutiny. The above post probably reads the worst. I would eyeball myself someone else if reading the same.

But this is also the kind of post I would be very wary to make, as a wolfmate, instead would withdraw from asking aloud what the fuss about a pyxxy wagon is and would scramble to look into them, case them and look genuine.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:39 pm Can update the takes wrt inactives

Scrappy - the full tier list broke my glasses reaction.gif-style and would town lean off it, as in sensing it as a genuine effort, with neither momentum pressure nor reason for a shady sock to interrupt their shtick and generate comment. Usual allergy at listing and voting first, reasoning only upon asked, couple points off for that. [Side-note, got a ping about of Abigail asking about why some "bystanders" were ranked lower, instead of asking about the bottom lists] Would slot into pass for toDay.

pyxxy - would downgrade into concern zone based off effort. claimed "a catchup" only through memes and fluff. only defense is a meta claim, which I know nothing to validate.

Now they're into "concern zone". Now says they "know nothing to validate" the meta claim, which is weird because they used that against Scrappy in an argument. That alone is enough to convince me to [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine for now

Don't believe I proved contradictory. I myself did not recall games with pyxxy, in order to evaluate their meta claim (juice = wolf).

With my Scrappy question, I think the wires are crossed a bit. Scrappy invoked juice = town and I asked about they hold that to account, in context of pyxxy's meta claim being the opposite.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:00 am

I respect your analysis but as someone who likes to help, you can remove me entirely from being partnered with pyxxy lmao

It's valid for me to think wolf pyxxy doesn't play the way he did with the posts I saw. I have never seen wolf pyxxy exhibit such behavior

I assume me arguing that redundancy on the matter is really what sky rocketed me to the top(bottom?) of that list - see what I said recently and let me know if you think it's valid please

I can't "remove you entirely", based on the reads, I rather I wish I would have at least found it less likely. Why should I "remove you entirely"?

The wolf-frame is having tried to extinguish early reads on pyxxy's. Then you missed out and shit happened. It's possible.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:01 am also not that i'm throwing in the masonry towel here but abi love to bus and pyxxy was ripe and bussable, so

wouldn't like entirely discount that idea if we start making other flips and failing to nail wolves

I feel that Abigail goes beyond bussing. Abigail basically read pyxxy's tone to a T. It's either TMI or it's a sharp civ / non-aligned call. The what-if swings to the extremes.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:52 am keep it up rico. you're doing amazing. I appreciate the simplicity of your analysis and your reads come off as authentic to me

look, let's just leave it at that. I finished the deed, it's whatever, I require neither acclaim nor downplaying.
you disagree with the angle and the effort, that's fine for you to do. Give me minus points, but reason as to whether you wolfread me on the substance of my writing or conclusions.

Pyxxy wolfmateship

Unlikely:
Abigail
Epignosis
Scrappy
Leetic
Sloonei
sig

Who knows:
Falcon
Seanzie
TSP

Sussworthy:
Long Con

Likely:
Porscha
Delta

TSP - pyxxy

#627 dislikes pyxxy votes

pyxxy - TSP

nothing, unless I missed something on the ctrl+f

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uhh

Likelihood: uhh

I know, no substantial read, but I've reached the end of the list and I feel I cannot force myself to squint at a read from this barely-interaction. WIFOM on whether TSP would disagree so open with a wagon on a wolfmate. There, squinted.

Sloonei - pyxxy

#317 asks Porscha why pyxxy earned a town/3p read
#354 votes pyxxy to put more thought into Epig's meta observations and focus on them individually
#687 POE's pyxxy
#696 ISO's pyxxy, finds their meta claim most substantive, yet finds no reason to townread them
#712 profiles pyxxy's fixation on sock solving as a freeze from proper hunting
#737 encourages pyxxy to share thoughts and engage, calls wagon outcome uncertain
#780 questions pyxxy why seanzie vote is not worth choppin
#798 returns on pyxxy wagon after time granted for them to contribute expires

pyxxy - Sloonei

profiles Sloonei as potential sock player
defensive replies to much of Sloonei's meta comments, dismissive to engage

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Likelihood: would lean to say not high, though there's no true element that puts at ease the thought that it could be and the meta on Sloonei is that he's basically capable of anything. I did find the last point (and vote call) rather genuine in tone and strong.

I realised I skipped Long Con

Long Con - pyxxy

#335 Inquires Epignosis on his meta read of wolf pyxxy
#617 fluff joke on a fluff joke from pyxxy
#658 agreement and joke to pyxxy's Scrappy analysis
#796 seems to also pick on pyxxy's meta wolf game
#806 votes pyxxy

pyxxy - Long Con

liked Long Con's edited Abigail gif and talked about Scrappy sock use (a conversation with Long Con initiated)

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Hmm.

Likelihood: hmm.

Second to last vote on the pyxxy wagon, after a sudden sheep on Epignosis's case. While in theory I could camp it in the "wolfmates wouldn't dump that strong on pyxxy's meta record" (Epig, Abigail), this one is too sheepy and too sudden not to give me shady vibes.

Wolf-frame: vote a bit too late to land comfy in sequence, but a buss choice still well within a possible call for LC as teammate.

Town- or non-aligned frame: sheep vote, but listened to the meta arguments, and it landed. Can happen.

I will finish Sloonei and TSP later, tardy as it may be. Have to head to work. Enjoyment dipped hard as well, tbh. "Why you play like this, you should play instead like so and/or do in one post" is not cool to hear.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:28 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:53 am
additionally pyxxy was quite clearly in antispew disregarding his sean comment so why are like 4 of you wasting all this time and energy on a nothingburger wolf flip?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:55 am has all 3-4 of you who quote the same 10 posts from him and spend time control+f'ing 13 other players in the game gotten us anywhere? it's been over 24 hours. let's be honest with ourselves

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:57 am it hasn't done much since delta had a reasonable response that nobody can actually argue against, it's giving a low reason to push falcon when falcon's wolfiest play was from n0 and day 1 anyway, so that's been pretty useless

anything else actually useful from the pyxxy scientists? not that I can see

Profiling a pyxxy teammate may be difficult to pursue, by all means, but it's legit after a flip and worth attempting. "4 of us" doing it is further testament to the legitimacy.

I'm not even looking into what pyxxy themselves might have spewed, I'm looking into others' takes, interactions and votes on pyxxy. You are either getting wrong or misconstruing this activity, mine at least.

Re: 24 hours, I've worked 11 and slept a combined 9 of those over two nights. I've been honest both what I want to do, begin of EoD, but also how hampered I've been.

I haven't even finished the ISOs and yet feels like interjecting and downplaying the entire endeavour. From a player who went twice at length to say pyxxy is not within wolf range, only to now say ehh what's the big deal with this flip. Massive ping.

What was delta's "reasonable response"?

4 people doing the same activity doesnt legitimize it, it makes it a waste of time.

no issue with you getting to it this late cuz of personal timing. just don't see why you'd bother doing the exact same thing 3 other people did instead of like, nit picking what conclusions they made or doing literally anything else. I'm also not saying to NOT read it if you think it's mega important and the other 3 people who did the same thing are just too ??? (wolf? untrustworthy? idk what the issue is) to make it matter. if you really need to read it yourself then do it. just don't get why we have to sit here and make individual posts with such analysis. like, at most just categorize who you think is worth scumming or towning over it in like, 1 post. that's why it comes off as busy work to me.

Delta's response:

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Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:44 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:42 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:39 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:37 pm hihi o/ here sorry

@Epignosis the reason I focused pyxxy there is because both games we've been in so far, and now this one, we've been v/w but have hoped for a v/v rand. I joined the mountainous game to play w/ pyxxy again & similar here where my main thought there was "oh if pyxxy is v id like to be some sort of lifeline here"

Why did you not have much comment on the growing pyxxy wagon at EoD?

maybe a little selfish but I was more focused on my own for a second lol

was more trying to work out what was happening with the vote on me to really focus on the fact that pyxxy's wagon grew so much outside of 'hes dead, i dont really want to move there because i feel bad that hes so low energy and dont really want to kick him while hes down' ;O;

What do you think about your wagon in light of the flip?

I do kinda still think it's pure even though its silly to think it

I think since pyxxy's wagon grew to such an extent that it's more likely people moved to bus over staying on me, since it's just wasted cred to park on town instead of shift to a wolf that's allowing themselves to die

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm Porscha/Seanzie/TSP

Porscha is probably town, would give more scrutiny if her whole gameplan is to park town & afk but is what it is for now, Seanzie can be town regardless considering the one point Pyxxy decided to make near EOD is just 'not kill Seanzie' so I kinda want to roll with that for now & TSP I think just takes the Pyxxy vote since I think Scrappy said something that enabled them to move there

so yeah. lol me but probably pure

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:50 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:48 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm Pyxxy decided to make near EOD is just 'not kill Seanzie' so I kinda want to roll with that for now

Why?

it did kinda seem for a second like he was trying to get into things in hopes of a swing of votes off of him; the read on Seanzie & the vote on you

I think you're probably both town here for it since I dont think a mafia with a last ditch effort to try swing votes off them then tries to push that their teammate is town. better to play it safe and try town a townie to shift votes?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:50 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm Porscha/Seanzie/TSP

Porscha is probably town, would give more scrutiny if her whole gameplan is to park town & afk but is what it is for now, Seanzie can be town regardless considering the one point Pyxxy decided to make near EOD is just 'not kill Seanzie' so I kinda want to roll with that for now & TSP I think just takes the Pyxxy vote since I think Scrappy said something that enabled them to move there

so yeah. lol me but probably pure

Also, do your feelings change in light of there likely being two wolf teams?

eh, I saw the mafia/landlords thing but I dont think it's necessarily a multiball thing? unless someone flips with just one or the other

if it is multiball then I guess that changes things for my point around Seanzie & yourself, TSP and Porscha not really?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:16 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:04 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:58 pm his flip is bean coloured

I dont know if it has anything to do with factions but lol

In Fire and Ice, the factions are typically distinguished by colors. But they also have names, so

makes sense

I dont think I've actually been part of any multiball games so :,) unsure there

If it is multiball, it mainly affects my read on Seanzie/you since there's no guarantee that Pyxxy would know if either of you are town or the other mafia team etc, the other two I dont think change too much

Looking into the flip is legitimate. A third of players looking into the flip is legitimate.

I look to do my thing, busy as it may be, and draw my own perspective. I can certainly compare cliffnotes, after. Not new or a surprise that I get a lot of reactions that it's busy work or word salad or what not, I suppose it's about time that happened in this game as well. But I'm not inconsistent, in my serious mode playing history, about doing this post-flips reads.

sig - pyxxy

#814 fifth to last post of the Day phase, sheeps pyxxy counterwagon purely because it is lead by his "town reads"

pyxxy - sig

Nothing.

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Made me react in my head with the "haha oh wow" Tintin meme, for some reason, re: its timing and this being the only crumb of interaction. Last minute full-sheep looks bad by all means. Yeeet:
a. if wolfmate strategy between them would have been to ignore and never comment, this was quite the fail. unnecessary, as well, pyxxy was beyond saving
b. if non-aligned, it's just about possible that sig had options (he stated falcon, for instance), but none were on the chopping board, so he tried to make a relevant wagon contribution

Likelihood: You know, this reads too daft to be true, alignment-wise.

Seanzie - pyxxy

#443 in reply to pyxxy's meta rebuttal, would vote pyxxy

pyxxy - Seanzie
#772 comments on vote count with disinclination to pursue a Sean wagon

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Likelihood: who knows. Bit stark and unexpected to see from Seanzie just a drive by intent to vote pyxxy and build nothing after.
Pyxxy's comment seems strategical, i.e. choosing the best counterwagon in self-defense.
But all of this can only be put in the speculative bin.

Princess Abigail - pyxxy

#378 criticises pyxxy's "catchup" as really lame
#384-385 wolfreads pyxxy for being out of town range
#391 doubts the read a bit after exchange with Porscha, but still reads pyxxy out of usual range
#415 pokes Caitlin to read her and pyxxy
#717 cheers that Caitlin would consider a pyxxy yeet
#738 reacts to pyxxy's low-energy rebuttals
#768 critical of pyxxy's "nothingburger AtE" and that it actually works to take votes off
#786 full push for pyxxy to not "get away" and that she was right about them in a previous game, just like now

pyxxy - Princess Abigail

fluff on the LC-edited gif and rebuttal on the abovementioned meta reads on them

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Likelihood: very low towards unlikely. This is so far, by far, the most tar & feathered treatment a wolfmate could have received, if that would be the case. It is not impossible for the entire shade and tone read to be TMI, but I would lean to believe that Abigail had a good tone read.

oh. I read the timeline wrong due to the "Day 1" in the title.

sorry.

I withdraw the remarks about late-phase engagement on pyxxy lynch matter

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:02 am
okay well the last post i made day 1 was post like 516 or something so idk what post 886 is

false

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:02 am brad is lime coke

n0 sig made a remark after lime coke had made like 4 joking posts, very specifically accusing lime coke of being 3p which was weird to everybody else in thread

but I also thought brad was towny from those posts, so

not factoring anything n0 in my equations

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:53 am
additionally pyxxy was quite clearly in antispew disregarding his sean comment so why are like 4 of you wasting all this time and energy on a nothingburger wolf flip?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:55 am has all 3-4 of you who quote the same 10 posts from him and spend time control+f'ing 13 other players in the game gotten us anywhere? it's been over 24 hours. let's be honest with ourselves

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:57 am it hasn't done much since delta had a reasonable response that nobody can actually argue against, it's giving a low reason to push falcon when falcon's wolfiest play was from n0 and day 1 anyway, so that's been pretty useless

anything else actually useful from the pyxxy scientists? not that I can see

Profiling a pyxxy teammate may be difficult to pursue, by all means, but it's legit after a flip and worth attempting. "4 of us" doing it is further testament to the legitimacy.

I'm not even looking into what pyxxy themselves might have spewed, I'm looking into others' takes, interactions and votes on pyxxy. You are either getting wrong or misconstruing this activity, mine at least.

Re: 24 hours, I've worked 11 and slept a combined 9 of those over two nights. I've been honest both what I want to do, begin of EoD, but also how hampered I've been.

I haven't even finished the ISOs and yet feels like interjecting and downplaying the entire endeavour. From a player who went twice at length to say pyxxy is not within wolf range, only to now say ehh what's the big deal with this flip. Massive ping.

What was delta's "reasonable response"?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:51 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:39 am Porscha - pyxxy

#315 GTH's pyxxy as town / 3p
#363 inquired by Sloonei, reads pyxxy out of wolf meta range
#389 replies to an Abigail take on pyxxy town play to further state pyxxy's playstate is kinda NAI
#886 reply to pyxxy's profiling of the Scrappy sock

pyxxy - Porscha

no direct exchange

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Likelikhood: possible in principle. More concerning, in fact, that she dropped any focus and take on pyxxy late-phase than that she wrote early-phase in support of their range not being wolfy.

Wolf-frame: a bit too much of vocal downplaying of a teammate's wolfrange, but who knows. There was no strong pressure on pyxxy at that stage, in theory could have tried to sway others' pings.

Town-frame or nonaligned-frame: bit of egg on face in hindsight. Can happen.

I think if anybody paid attention they'd realize I was never in thread after pyxxy decided to post more than 3 times

and the wolfiest thing I've done is call sig wolfy for giving brad a 3p read when I gave pyxxy a 3p read but nobody seemed to catch that so whatever

I can check the timeline, but #886 was close to EoD, but also an hour or so away, I think.

Don't get the context of the second line. Who is Brad?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:29 am then again rico is doing pyxxy spew so that's probs a -1 point

why get a minus for doing these ISOs?

Porscha - pyxxy

#315 GTH's pyxxy as town / 3p
#363 inquired by Sloonei, reads pyxxy out of wolf meta range
#389 replies to an Abigail take on pyxxy town play to further state pyxxy's playstate is kinda NAI
#886 reply to pyxxy's profiling of the Scrappy sock

pyxxy - Porscha

no direct exchange

===

Likelikhood: possible in principle. More concerning, in fact, that she dropped any focus and take on pyxxy late-phase than that she wrote early-phase in support of their range not being wolfy.

Wolf-frame: a bit too much of vocal downplaying of a teammate's wolfrange, but who knows. There was no strong pressure on pyxxy at that stage, in theory could have tried to sway others' pings.

Town-frame or nonaligned-frame: bit of egg on face in hindsight. Can happen.

leetic - pyxxy

#358 reacts to Sloonei's vote by criticising them for sheeping (Epig), instead of actually ISO'ing (pyxxy)
#630 calls lame TSP's disapproval of pyxxy votes / voters
#699 asks Caitlin to rank two-vote wagons, pyxxy being among those
#702 reacts to Sloonei's ISO read of pyxxy, underwhelmed of their wording ("no reason to town read", yet no reason to wolf read)
#703 comments on pyxxy meta, based off two games played together (calling their wolfplay in Beans "lamer" than their townplay in Severance)
#719 shuts down pyxxy's defense that they engage as wolf, based off Beans meta
#733 pushes pyxxy to make townreads and wolfreads (three each)
#748 reacts with "lame" to a demotivated pyxxy post
#753 votes pyxxy in the idea that it's not a bad removal (and that pyxxy even asked)
#794 prods pyxxy more to state of lynch read (implying their gut feeling on Sloonei is not adequate or enough)
#804 rebuttal to pyxxy voting them and stating it was unreasoned
#825 laugh reaction to pyxxy clamining they cannot read them well (based off meta)

pyxxy - leetic

basically replies in the abovementioned exchanges

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Likelihood: low, though also hinging upon how antagonistic leetic would/could be towards slanking/underperforming wolfmates, which I have no meta info. Shutting down pyxxy's meta claims gives me the same vibes as from Epignosis - counterproductive, if wolfmates, unless prepped to bus. Making other players (Sloonei, Caitlin) focus even more (or in depth) on pyxxy, if wolfmate, is further antithetical to not creating pressure and danger.

As for pyxxy's takes, any wolf-frame in which they would just shut down any lifelines offered by leetic (prod to make reads, get engaged etc.) would be quite an ass of a strategy.

Have to pause, hour past midnight.

Sorry, but work day cooked me good.

I'll resume tomorrow and also catch up as best as I can.

falcon - pyxxy
pyxxy - falcon

Zero interactions.
Zero mentions.

Falcon seems to have dropped off mid-phase, so no idea how he would have reacted or pitched in to a pyxxy wagon. Up to that point, falcon looked into or focused on several players, which make it more dubious why he never looked into pyxxy's play.

Given pyxxy's tight-lipped amount of legacy, it's possible to consider pyxxy-falcon adopting as wolfmates a don't-mention-don't-bother tactic, but any interpretation would be speculative.

Likelihood: unknown. Would lean on judging falcon further on individual wolfness.

Epignosis - pyxxy

#333 inquired by leetic, offers pyxxy as one of two lynch names, reading their play reminiscent of wolfplay in a previous game
#713 votes pyxxy
#722 shuts down pyxxy's meta defense (about their wolfplay in previous game having been active and with juice, as opposed to here)

pyxxy - Epignosis

#734 rebuttal to Epignosis dismissing their meta defense: tone rather shrugging off, unwilling to engage or defend further on that point

===

One constant mental note I always start interaction-proofing with, in Epignosis's case, is that his preference would be, as best as possible, to keep the wolfmates alive and well. From this perspective, throwing pyxxy's name in the pool and shading their wolf meta in clear terms, would be an opposite path. The gap in time between suss and vote, plus the shortage of reasoning is questionable, yet the last post in particular is too hard (and cold) of a stomp of pyxxy's argument, given which I'd lean into thinking a wolf Epignosis wouldn't have done them this dirty.

From pyxxy's angle, inclined to read his rebuttal as a sign of not believing there was anything left to try and convince Epignosis otherwise.

Likelikehood: low towards borderline tinfoil.

Delta - pyxxy

#149 tag and shout out to pyxxy to come play (also, mention of some previous mountainous game played together, with the implication of a "rematch" or a "better play")
#690 inquired by Sloonei, makes a read on pyxxy among others - labels "question mark" and "odd" for them to fool around or focus on solving the sock identity; lastly, places them in a mid-of-road / null camp
#698 jokes at Caitlin pursuing an ISO of pyxxy
#731 tag and shout out for a second time for pyxxy to step in, offer thoughts
#755 rebuttal to Caitlin insinuating that they're pocketing pyxxy
#778 would roll with pyxxy's suggestion for a seanzie lynch
#818 second to last post of the Day phase, judges pyxxy's lack of fighting back weird and shrugs it as being confused by their playstyle of the phase

pyxxy - Delta

#280 responded to Delta's tag that they've been weekend busy
#800 replies to Delta's incentive to roll with a Seanzie vote, yet places vote on leetic CW (which Delta was already on)
#809 notes right after about Delta already being on leetic CW at the time of pyxxy's vote

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Likelihood: reasonable. Has the elements of trying in-game twice (first time along the slow start of the phase, second time perhaps at more pressing hours) to wake pyxxy to life + placing and sticking them in a fringe tier, from which to never be forced to lower them + blank sheeping on a potential counterwagon + early cushion vote on what became a real counterwagon and pyxxy's lifeline for a while.

Good morning. I have a ton of class hours, one real-life funeral to attend, zero lunch breaks, I'll delve into ISO's of pyxxy interactions later / along the way.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:01 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:00 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:00 pm Ok, gotta go to bed.

Sticking with what I've gathered, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine.

On main performance, even from recent ISO, I still sense a lot of barking and not biting. Even their most fleshed out suss (Sloonei) went on with no finger on the trigger, instead switching to wagoning the unnamed sock.

On side aspect of playlist, even after swimming through all the acid, I have no meta and vibe to tell if it's all stubborn towniness or manipulative wolf aggro. Would flip in search of enlightenment.

Night.

Wrote this before seeing that they now pushed the vote button on Sloonei, after all.

Does that make you reconsider anything or are you confbiased?

Neither. It's not redeeming, comes off as your only actual solid effort. The rest I still dislike.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:00 pm Ok, gotta go to bed.

Sticking with what I've gathered, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine.

On main performance, even from recent ISO, I still sense a lot of barking and not biting. Even their most fleshed out suss (Sloonei) went on with no finger on the trigger, instead switching to wagoning the unnamed sock.

On side aspect of playlist, even after swimming through all the acid, I have no meta and vibe to tell if it's all stubborn towniness or manipulative wolf aggro. Would flip in search of enlightenment.

Night.

Wrote this before seeing that they now pushed the vote button on Sloonei, after all.

Ok, gotta go to bed.

Sticking with what I've gathered, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine.

On main performance, even from recent ISO, I still sense a lot of barking and not biting. Even their most fleshed out suss (Sloonei) went on with no finger on the trigger, instead switching to wagoning the unnamed sock.

On side aspect of playlist, even after swimming through all the acid, I have no meta and vibe to tell if it's all stubborn towniness or manipulative wolf aggro. Would flip in search of enlightenment.

Night.

Someone said leetic - Sloonei spat is deffo not w/w and: first, it's not even the worst spat I've witnessed in a game this past year, second, I'd agree. The spat I mentioned turned out v/w.

Problem is, I have both on suss radar (for individual ISOs).

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.

Had someone in mind until they stopped capslocking.

Can update the takes wrt inactives

Scrappy - the full tier list broke my glasses reaction.gif-style and would town lean off it, as in sensing it as a genuine effort, with neither momentum pressure nor reason for a shady sock to interrupt their shtick and generate comment. Usual allergy at listing and voting first, reasoning only upon asked, couple points off for that. [Side-note, got a ping about of Abigail asking about why some "bystanders" were ranked lower, instead of asking about the bottom lists] Would slot into pass for toDay.

pyxxy - would downgrade into concern zone based off effort. claimed "a catchup" only through memes and fluff. only defense is a meta claim, which I know nothing to validate.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:19 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:15 pm I'd elim Rico.

Why

Because I can remember more AMA's from him than content. Something about that bothers me.

AMA

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:15 pm I'd elim Rico.

Why

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:11 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:08 pm pyxxy wagon why?

Scrappy vote on pyxxy why?

Nothing about Pyxxy thus far has stood out as towny to me, my bystander reads are at least trying or have something there even if small, but there's no towny flair to Pyxxy at all. I also prefer a vote on him to Delta and Seanzie

What is town flair wrt Pyxxy? From re-reading, pyxxy last post at least argued that "flair" proved a wolf-play trait.

Wagons still within shifting range, do you prefer vote on him over falcon or leetic as well?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:07 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:06 pm Anything relevant about Scrappy as a sock player, based off the original game? Will they stick around for one phase, for the duration of our grouping or for ever?

They were permanent until voted

And it proved to be mafia-aligned, iirc someone mentioning?

pyxxy wagon why?

Scrappy vote on pyxxy why?

Anything relevant about Scrappy as a sock player, based off the original game? Will they stick around for one phase, for the duration of our grouping or for ever?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:01 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:58 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:56 pm I am here, AMA(GR).

Not one of my freer evenings and have to go to schlep soon, sorry.

Why haven't you voted yet?

I usually cast the vote around EoD or whenever I can make a final judgement.

So, soon.

Do you base a lot of Day 1 opinion on other players' cases and votes, or do you usually go rogue. What if you had to vote now?

Not exactly sure what you mean. Usually come to my own conclusion.

If now, I'd stick to my last read ranks, hence leetic.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:58 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:56 pm I am here, AMA(GR).

Not one of my freer evenings and have to go to schlep soon, sorry.

Why haven't you voted yet?

I usually cast the vote around EoD or whenever I can make a final judgement.

So, soon.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:23 pm

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:21 pm CRIMEFIGHTERS:
ABIGAIL
CAITLIN
DELTA
EPIGNOSIS
LONG CON
SLOONEI

BYSTANDERS:
PORSCHA
RICOCHET
SEANZIE
SIG
TONYSTARKPRIME

LOST FRIENDS:
SPACEDAISY

EVIL GHOSTS:
FALCON
LEETIC
PYXXY

[VOTE: PYXXY] aubergine

I DONT THINK I HAVE LET ANY EVIL GHOSTS INTO MY GROUP OF CRIMEFIGHTERS, PERHAPS IN BYSTANDERS.

CRIMEFIGHTERS ARE TOWN. BYSTANDERS I AM UNDECIDED ON. I BARK AT EVIL GHOSTS. BARK BARK BARK. I WISH FOR THE RETURN OF OUR LOST FRIEND

Ok, I legit lmao'd at this reaction pic.

I am here, AMA(GR).

Not one of my freer evenings and have to go to schlep soon, sorry.

Completing this

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss felt out of bound - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take [later edit: I now just might, after all, see note sig], but I can accept it's her particular style of reading. Meta vibe nitpick: dunno why I had reminiscence of town!Porscha being more engaged.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Seanzie* - Just to get nothingburger'd: no major issue with atm. Wish I'd meta-remember if his questioning those who give him a pass more than those who give him stinkeye would be AI. One developed lead (falcon), then nothing as consistent (shading players giving him a pass, sudden delta vote).

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long tbh
TSP - so unserious in everything (non-fluff) put forth
Abigail - Null slight towards a pass tbh. GTH is "scattered". Some reads are focused and fine (especially later on during Day), others brushed off, unreasoned or drawn from a meta hat. Labeled NAI everything about leetic's tone, then voted them why exactly?

Invisibile sector
Spacedaisy - absent. Weird to miss this much of the phase, but couldn't say if it's AI in some way.
pyxxy - absent. Maybe got shipped to "North (Korea) Facility"

Zone of concern
Sloonei - even since yesterday his activity gave me a strong impression of "skirting". Reads amount to poking "least-talked about" or absent players, plus a non-finalized suss on leetic. Heaviest candidate for me of a player I can't get a sense where he's playing at.
falcon* - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
sig - re-read got me concerned the facility split ideas seem a bit too specific and suss of TMI. don't like his reads amounting to just a LHF topic (absent player)
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

N/A
Scrappy Doo - I would need more meta on how this sock shenanigan played out. So far the sock player has done nothing serious and don't think there's info on what they would be allowed to do in-game.


*Back-of-mind, slight tinfoil on the timing of Seanzie suss'ing falcon that he's not exhibiting t!world sharpness, only for falcon to come right after and play more on-point, quizzing etc. Perchance a w/w signal or distancing or at least one wolf in this interaction?

Not in depth, at the/that time (I had half an hour lunch break). No pings, no merit medal. \_(ツ)_/¯