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Oooh now you're an Indy!Metalmarsh89 wrote:Signed, sealed, and delivered. Go civs (and Indys)!
No I wanna die and never read the defeat post in this game, if that'll be the case.Metalmarsh89 wrote:You died 11 days ago you hollow-eyed skeleton.Ricochet wrote:ONE MINUTE. I WANNA DIE.
FZ targeted Matt + bea redirected FZ = FZ targeted Sorsha?Metalmarsh89 wrote:
But why vote Sorsha to vote herself if FZ is suspicious of Matt coming into the day phase?
Why would Sorsha "come in" and choose to "vote for herself", if she was leading 2-1, before voting?Metalmarsh89 wrote:She said "Sorsha can come in and vote for herself". A slight difference.Ricochet wrote:Really?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.Ricochet wrote:I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.
If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."
Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."
It does? Then what the hell is Matt on about?Metalmarsh89 wrote:You said FZ said "Please don't save my teamie"Ricochet wrote:Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.
linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?
Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.
I don't think that's true, because I just don't think FZ is Mac's teamie. I agree with the other parts you said, that it is a point in her favor, especially since I can verify.
Also, I actually think that bea may have targeted FZ last night, because my vote carries some weight again today.
Really?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.Ricochet wrote:I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.
Isn't that post in favor of FZ? "MM, the vote is currently, seemingly 3-2 for Mac. Please don't switch."Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet, this would be why.
FZ. wrote:All those quotes are making feel like sharing something too. MM, last day, there was a reason I told you I trusted you to not disappoint us and vote for the right person. Let's just say your vote carried a lot of weight.
linki: I was considering that possibility. But then, would MM really have to fake being so confused between us for so long? I don't think so.
Judging by this, FZ. was aware that Sorsha would self-vote, meaning Sorsha's vote is forced?FZ wrote:Now Sorsha can come in and vote for herself.
Matt wrote:Check it out.
There's a four way tie.
Last second, BOTH Wilgy and Golden switch up their votes and make it a four way tie again.
If Wilgy didn't know Golden was switching, then he voted to BREAK the tie.
Why, AS A BADDIE, would you intentionally BREAK a four way tie in which NONE of your teammates are in danger of getting lynched?
Answer me this. Please.
You can't exclude Mac's vote from the picture! He's a Llama baddie! We're talking FZ being a fourth wagon that snowballed and which Mac contributed to. You can't discard Mac evidence only for Wilgy evidence.Matt wrote:I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.
I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?
Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?
Go check my ISO post called "DAY 3.5" and tell me how my walkthrough reads out to you. Including Mac's final vote being to push FZ into the tie. Is that really FZ teamie indicative?Matt wrote:I keep going back to the day Lorab was lynched.
Despite vote shenanigans, no matter how you cut it, Wilgy changed his vote last second. So did Golden, but Wilgy didn't know that.
3J, Lorab, MM, and FZ were part of the four way tie that day.
3J was civ. Lorab was Noses. Wilgy actually VOTED for MM.
So who does that leave us with?
I'm not saying I'm definitely going to switch back, but you can't ignore Wilgy's switch that day.
Again, Frisky Dingy kinda fits.FZ. wrote:No, plain and simple. I can also tell you that my role comes from a game that had no revealed roles from yet. I believe I'm the only one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you a member of mafia?FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
First though, I think I have to run down at the farmacy at 11:40pm. I'm out of nose drops.Metalmarsh89 wrote:New single game post record goes to Ricochet. He gets lynched Day 1, but still manages to spew out 1,500 posts.
Idk, I'd endorse for us to keep talking, at least for another 9 replies.FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.
Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)
Zebra was not a seemer. So there is a window left for a seemer.Matt wrote:Perhaps. I also happen to believe I know which game her role is from, which would fit with her being on Team Llama, IMO.FZ. wrote:Which would explain why you think she's good...Matt wrote:Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.FZ. wrote:What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Still, though, is it possible two teams could seem players?
It's an extrapolation from all the baddie/indy roles in Llama's eligible games, a list I already posted Even Matt mentioned it.FZ. wrote:I went to the first page to check who this Napoleon person is and I don't see that roleRicochet wrote:Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?
True enough.FZ. wrote:In any case, do you really think there would be two who have the same power? isn't that a little lame?
Cheeky cheeky.FZ. wrote:I have reason to believe her vote is not helpful for her. I might have finally done something good.Ricochet wrote:And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.
Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
If you mean as a night poll effect, then yes. Gross.
And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.
Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
Tranq a conjuring. Never playing a game with you ever again.Matt wrote:Rico - No, I'm not the silencer. And no, you're not supposed to know what I mean, FZ either. Only MM. Sorry that's the way it's gotta be.
So you're the silencer or wtf am I reading?Matt wrote:That's what I'm thinking. bea thinks I'm the last baddie and targets me, my power gets redirected, and then and only then, is it possible Sorsha is even silenced.FZ. wrote:I'm guessing at some point she'll just come in and say RL just didn't allow her to post or that she didn't know who she could trust so she let us talk among ourselves so she could get a feel of who the last baddie is.
Actually, if Bea thought you were the baddie why would she redirect the kill if it would only lead to another one of us dying? Could the redirection be shifted back to the person she was targeting? That is the only reason why she would target you, isn't it?
He would then have had to shaddap Not being allowed to post trumps not being allowed to write actual words, methinks.Metalmarsh89 wrote:True.Ricochet wrote:You can silence civs. Or y'know, people not you or your team, in general.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha silencing herself is a conclusion I came to. If it is a baddie role power (which is possible), it has been recognized around these parts that such a power is not very useful for baddies, especially because baddie teams tend to silence themselves to excuse themselves for talking for a day phase. It's going out of style. That would be a reason as to why no one has been noticeably silenced this game.![]()
TH record still safe though.Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^Post #8,000 wotwot.
What if Jay was simultaneously silenced and smiley-cursed on the same day?
You can silence civs. Or y'know, people not you or your team, in general.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha silencing herself is a conclusion I came to. If it is a baddie role power (which is possible), it has been recognized around these parts that such a power is not very useful for baddies, especially because baddie teams tend to silence themselves to excuse themselves for talking for a day phase. It's going out of style. That would be a reason as to why no one has been noticeably silenced this game.
TH record still safe though.Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^Post #8,000 wotwot.
Ah ok, I get that. Yes, I probably wouldn't insert such night power effects for a subsequent lylo phase. Heck, sometimes in previous games (prolly THM), I even remember pleading with whoever had such powers to consider taking a break from them, near endgame, as to not accidentally inflluence the outcome in a random, negative way.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well I doubt they would let that be a result of a nightpoll option. Having that role in the game is one thing, but randomly punishing someone to be silenced at this stage would be rude and unlikely.Ricochet wrote:I know you like making these crazy connections, but Hosts' dislike for something and them creating a silencer, that could, in principle, silence someone on Lylo Day has little to nothing to do with each other. What, you're suggesting SVS or TH simply forbid the player to silence anymore on Lylo? Well, what has the silencer done until now, then?Matt wrote:Fuck it. I'll temp vote Sorsha until MM returns with his thoughts.FZ. wrote:Listen to me, I'm a civvie. I am not lying, this whole game depends on us. Sorsha is not silenced. We got lucky with her vote, and she's scared to post. She let us go at each other thinking this would be the best way to insure a civvie lynch. We can not let this happen. We need this win, we will get this win and please take your vote off me Matt.
Given how one of our hosts says silencing is his least favorite game mechanic, I'm finding it hard to believe that Sorsha is silenced at LYLO when there hasn't been a silenced person all game (again, as far as we know).
Also, don't resort to outside meta. Keep it in this game or in relevant meta from past games, not from "what's your favourite mafia pasttime" forums.
w.h.e.r.e. (I mean, besides Day 6. Already picked up on that)FZ wrote:Am I really allowed to spell it out loud? I think I left enough crumbs.
Fair enough.MM wrote:On the other hand, a silencer would balance out zebra's curse-type role to give both baddie teams a similar type role ability.
Could sound fair enough. Then again, zebra could not have canceled out Dom's power, if Dom could only read the "description" (this hasn't been confirmed or debunked and prolly never will). So a godfather in the opposite mafia would make this particular team stronger than zebra's.Matt wrote:Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switcheroo?
Ah, so Sorsha silenced herself.MM wrote:But if there actually is a silencer, it's not Matt, and it's not FZ either.
The last baddie, please.FZ. wrote:Fair enough. I would still like your thoughts on who we should lynch.Ricochet wrote:Yeah, ok, you do that. I don't have the vote priviledges (or pressure), I can only provide assistance and this is what I choose to do. You are the actors in this endgame.FZ. wrote:
linki: Rico, as much as I appreciate you doing this, I don't think it's helpful. I think that what we need to do is think clear and talk live to people. That's the only way you can sense someone. Read the exchange between Matt and I and tell me what you think.
Granted, if I reach the end of these reads and there's something I can interpret in yours and Matt's stances, claims, pleads, I'll do so.
Yeah, ok, you do that. I don't have the vote priviledges (or pressure), I can only provide assistance and this is what I choose to do. You are the actors in this endgame.FZ. wrote:
linki: Rico, as much as I appreciate you doing this, I don't think it's helpful. I think that what we need to do is think clear and talk live to people. That's the only way you can sense someone. Read the exchange between Matt and I and tell me what you think.
I know you like making these crazy connections, but Hosts' dislike for something and them creating a silencer, that could, in principle, silence someone on Lylo Day has little to nothing to do with each other. What, you're suggesting SVS or TH simply forbid the player to silence anymore on Lylo? Well, what has the silencer done until now, then?Matt wrote:Fuck it. I'll temp vote Sorsha until MM returns with his thoughts.FZ. wrote:Listen to me, I'm a civvie. I am not lying, this whole game depends on us. Sorsha is not silenced. We got lucky with her vote, and she's scared to post. She let us go at each other thinking this would be the best way to insure a civvie lynch. We can not let this happen. We need this win, we will get this win and please take your vote off me Matt.
Given how one of our hosts says silencing is his least favorite game mechanic, I'm finding it hard to believe that Sorsha is silenced at LYLO when there hasn't been a silenced person all game (again, as far as we know).