The Syndicate

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:15 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 am Day 1
Boringboi [5]: My Shell, Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo
nutellaphant [5]: Fuskdall, MartinWP69, NurseWilgy, Boringboi, Akemi Homura
dodo [1]: 1337
My Shell [1]: Paprika
NurseWilgy [1]: nutellaphant

Day 2
Paprika [4]: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphent
nutellaphant [4]: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Fuskdall, Quokka
Akemi Homura [2]: Maid, PonySparkPrime
My Shell [1]: Paprika

Voted for nutellaphant twice:
Fuskdall, Martin, Akemi Homura

Voted for nutellaphent once:
Quokka, NurseWilgy, Boringboi

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant twice:
My Shell

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant once:
Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo, NurseWilgy, 1337, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons once:
1337, Maid, PonySparkPrime, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons both times:
Paprika

Has not voted for nutellaphant (living players):
1337, Maid, My Shell, [nutellaphant], PonySparkPrime

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:25 pm Akemi has seemed town this day phase for me, her claim of an anti-town role that gets a boost if you win the roleplay award is believable to me based on what I know. Despite not understanding 1312's reads I trust him because of the miller claim and the fact that he was fishing for the vig and thought it was Made doesn't seem scummy. My Shell has claimed vig and that claim I believe will selve resolve sooner or later.

That leaves the POE to me (excluding nutella who I am voting) as PonyStarkPrime, Martin and Fuskdall. And between those, Fuskdall seems the towniest, followed by Martin and then PSP. If nutella flips town somehow we will have to re-evaluate everything but for now this is how I see the game.

My Shell wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:05 pm If a town doc protected her I am perplexed honestly, why

unless she is actually able to save herself but self targeting is probably not allowed by OP

So my next thought is she has ability to survive death automatically

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:16 pm that's unironically the best tsp rp all game and it makes me think that whoever's being tsp should stop trying to be tsp and start trying to solve the game

My Shell wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:15 pm I believe her survival increases her chance of being wolf

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:53 pm akemi apparently scumreading her own mason is apparently a thing despite the fact they are on my wagon together right now
possibly a distancing move and they are w/w but if they are then I'm not getting there today

I don't know why quokka is voting me
I don't know why my shell is voting me after townreading me yesterday. is it because of the "1 wolf in nutella/my shell" thing yesterday or did something happen overnight because I recall them townreading me and I townread them back?

My Shell wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:20 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:37 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:19 pm If what I think is the case wolves already know so probably no trouble. I think they caught my soft and blocked me to save her which strengthens my conviction.

HMMM

I believe this, not because of the soft, but because it is a totally unecessary claim if she is scum. Especially with a competing claim on the table, it's just too risky.

If what you say is true then I am less suspicious of 1312, his claim of miller with innocent child award looked legitimate, and if mafia already know the vigilante then he wouldn't be fishing for it in thread but would be trying to pocket you.

Did you try to shoot anyone N1, or were you blocked then also?

Did not have shot N1 my role works a weird way.

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:35 pm Also pony's mafia equity has risen in my head but still prefer my shell today, moving maid to town lean.

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:16 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:03 am
fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.

akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.

i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy).

meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.

i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.

i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.

i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.

i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.


i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.


akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)

TMI everywhere.

Fuskfall and nutella can definitely be w/w

Maid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:18 am What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 pm

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:11 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:34 pm Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

Apparently but you weren't on a relevant wagon so maybe you are still good

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:22 pm I feel I have to beat this thread with a stick to get acknowledgment of the effort I have put in and I think wolves are trying to cover me up and pretend I am still wolfy

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:14 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:13 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:10 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:05 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pmNutella was saved two days in a row and potentially saved from a vig shot with some sort of interference.

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm If Nutella is wolf was likely being bussed as they were seen as sus from early on and a probable bus sacrifice, Akemi especially voted early and may have wanted to stay on and hope Paprika flipped.

Explain what you mean by these two posts.

Nutella is probably wolf how can i be more clear than that.

You say nutella was saved 2 days in a row, but then also say they are bussed, which is it?

Does not contradict, teammates bussed thinking she would be gone but ended up saved by counter again after all. Both can be true

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:34 pm Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:44 am

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:36 am paprika, who gave you towncred?

This is weird post tbh.


What is your read of Paprika @PonySparkPrime

I looked briefly in your iso and you seemed to SR him on Day 1 and backed down and now this hedgeish approach

Getting feeling you can be w/w honestly.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:21 am Is there any vt? I thought setup is all prs

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:27 am

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:26 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:56 am

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

why is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?

I don't mind the reading unspoiled on flips, that is a good approch I think, my observation was specifically based on bodyguard which wolf wouldn't know was dying and maybe faked analysis

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:33 am

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:38 pm

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:14 pm [VOTE: TurnstilePlatinum] aubergine

eh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today

Would you like it more if I had three posts?

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:56 am

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:57 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:32 pm What happened to people solving, I am curious for more thoughts on my Nutella suspicions

I gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.

Pre-Eod Scum reasoning

I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitude

I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.

Counter :
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.

Post-Eod Scum reasoning

Still think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there again

I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.

Counter :

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 am

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 am
As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Yes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagons

So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:03 am i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:14 pm [VOTE: TurnstilePlatinum] aubergine

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:56 am They don't really wait for anyone to answer and they just end up voting anyways 2 minutes later.

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:14 am MyShell I shan't death-tunnel you and keep open-minded. But I just want to say that your logs at EoD seemed so Self-Preservation. Can you just read over them one more time? You can see that your iso logs have not mentioned any scumcase, not even a little reasoning, on either Boring or Nutella. Also, you said one werewolf was between me and dodo but at least you gave a read for that when you thought I was scummy.

What was your read on Nutella and why, they only have 9 logs so it seems like a rather easy push. I want to hear some good scam cases for at least 2 people or I think I'd vote for you today.


@nutellaphant got a read on the situation? It was a pretty spicy EoD for you, wasn't it?

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:06 pm @1337 why did you vote dodo over a wagon?