The Syndicate

I have not defended more than attacked! I have answered questions and addressed what people ask me of, I’ve ISOed and given clear reads on everyone. I’ve been clear who I currently suspect and do not. Any defending I’ve done is because people are directly asking me for answers to something.

I’m starting to feel like no one reads anything I say.

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:08 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:06 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:49 pm Delta, Bravo has accused you of evading their dialogue for the sake of focusing on other matters without actually engaging in that effort. how do you respond to that?

Judge for yourself, I feel like I’ve answered the only points he has made. So I’m not going to continue going around with him about things I’ve already answered. I would put to you the question , what has Bravo done besides badger me today? I’ve got no qualms putting reads out for everyone here, he is badgering me in hopes of getting me lynched, rather than looking at everyone. Which of those seem like a civ mind set to you?

that's not what i asked. how much have you really done in this game lately apart from swat away Bravo?

I’ve given complete current list of reads on every player’s living. I’ve ISOed everyone multiple times and tried to form my conclusions about them. How can you even suggest I’ve done nothing but swat at Bravo?

I believe Juliets was bad, Echo and Golf civ, and India was either civ or was the disguiser moving on to someone else’s account.

Yep it is passive aggressive, because I think it’s a ridiculous thing to be accused of being bad for. As far as apologizing, I do it I real life too, it’s not likely to be something that I ever stop doing. Apologizing is something I do all the time. Both sincere and passive aggressive eye rolling because I think something is ridiculous.

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:49 pm Delta, Bravo has accused you of evading their dialogue for the sake of focusing on other matters without actually engaging in that effort. how do you respond to that?

Judge for yourself, I feel like I’ve answered the only points he has made. So I’m not going to continue going around with him about things I’ve already answered. I would put to you the question , what has Bravo done besides badger me today? I’ve got no qualms putting reads out for everyone here, he is badgering me in hopes of getting me lynched, rather than looking at everyone. Which of those seem like a civ mind set to you?

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:47 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:33 pm Yeah so bad of me to give a complete list of reads which you had asked for

I don’t know if the disguiser is dead, I’d prefer operate with caution and consider they might not be than assume they are dead.

i didn't say it was bad. i asked a question. your reads suggest to me that you're operating under a "disguiser is probably dead" mindset, because all of those reads are of the standard variety. there is no consideration of new body inhabitants, and you leaned away from the idea outright in Hotel's case.

Because I felt like Hotel’s change came before the kill. So it doesn’t make sense his change would indicate the disguiser. More likely he just found the rp too cumbersome.

Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:37 am

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

[VOTE: bravo] aubergine

I thought there was a couple times where I felt like he was following someone else’s opinion, but there was just this one.

Yeah so bad of me to give a complete list of reads which you had asked for

I don’t know if the disguiser is dead, I’d prefer operate with caution and consider they might not be than assume they are dead.

EBWOP: You’re voting to lynch a civ by voting for me

You’re lynching a civ

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:31 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:59 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Opinion: Associating Foxtrot play with scum not honest. Consider Delta only two scumread, Foxtrot Bravo, this reaching.

So someone providing no content on them self, hiding behind rp, and sheeping other people’s opinions isn’t suspicious to you? I haven’t seen any original suspicions or cases from Foxtrot. I’m not willing to give them a pass, sorry if you find that suspect of me, but whatever to each their own.

tell me why exactly you find it suspicious. be more descriptive please than just "foxtrot isn't doing anything"

I explained in detail in that very post what I was seeing. I didn’t just say doing nothing.

Considering I’m civilian then yes that wording is something you would hear from a civ. I’m not about to get into an argument about that because there is nothing to argue there. I will only say that when I say comfortable, I mean I feel enough suspicion of someone to put my vote there. Don’t like the wording? nothing to say to that.

Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:59 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Opinion: Associating Foxtrot play with scum not honest. Consider Delta only two scumread, Foxtrot Bravo, this reaching.

So someone providing no content on them self, hiding behind rp, and sheeping other people’s opinions isn’t suspicious to you? I haven’t seen any original suspicions or cases from Foxtrot. I’m not willing to give them a pass, sorry if you find that suspect of me, but whatever to each their own.

I’m really confused by the voice Alpha posts in. Slipping in and out of broken sentences and full sentences. I noticed the fact Hotel has gone into broken sentences but I don’t understand why you guys are doing this.

Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:17 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:49 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Hotel - I can see why people are questioning if Hotel might have been a target for the disguiser, but I feel like the voice change came before the kill. It was towards the end of the first vote, that rp seemed to start to drop. Also, feel as though his thoughts look like a civ trying to consider the possibilities rather than jumping to conclusions. I still think I’d read them as light civ at this point, but I wouldn’t clear them by any means.

Who is questioning me dropping the roleplay? What do you think of those people?

I just gave a complete list of reads, from the very post you pulled this quote from, so you can see what I think of everyone in them so this question feels like a poor attempt to look like you’re putting in effort.

This is not the point. At the time, I hadn’t seen anybody doing the thing that you cited in your thoughts about me. I wanted you to follow up on that. I still do a little bit. But afterwards I noticed that Kilo did exactly what you were referencing. I still don’t see anybody else doing it though. But I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the issue of people commenting on my change of style, since it seems to be something you’re conscious of.

At least Charlie did as well. I believe there were others, but I don’t recall off the top of my head.

I don’t find their commentary on it either suspicious or not. It would be an easy topic of conversation regardless of alignment.

Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Hotel - I can see why people are questioning if Hotel might have been a target for the disguiser, but I feel like the voice change came before the kill. It was towards the end of the first vote, that rp seemed to start to drop. Also, feel as though his thoughts look like a civ trying to consider the possibilities rather than jumping to conclusions. I still think I’d read them as light civ at this point, but I wouldn’t clear them by any means.

Who is questioning me dropping the roleplay? What do you think of those people?

I just gave a complete list of reads, from the very post you pulled this quote from, so you can see what I think of everyone in them so this question feels like a poor attempt to look like you’re putting in effort.

Alpha - tentative civ read still. I feel less confident than before. I find their recent posts more disjointed, which gives me s one mild concern. But overall, I feel like twenty heir content looks like someone putting the work in. I like Alpha currently.

Bravo - Relies heavily on snark and condescension without substance to back up opinions. I had him as light bad read during my first read list and he has only gave me more reason to find him suspect since then. I don’t feel like he has put in effort to game solve, instead is latching onto one person that he thinks he can get lynched. Looks bad imo. But then again, I’m that person so I may have a bias involved. My big pause is I really do believe Juliet was bad, and I don’t see a lot of teammate compatibility between the two. Looking at him alone however... Still have him as light bad.

Charlie - Solid civ read to me. My early read stand and ha wonky grown from there. Clear effort to game solve.

Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Hotel - I can see why people are questioning if Hotel might have been a target for the disguiser, but I feel like the voice change came before the kill. It was towards the end of the first vote, that rp seemed to start to drop. Also, feel as though his thoughts look like a civ trying to consider the possibilities rather than jumping to conclusions. I still think I’d read them as light civ at this point, but I wouldn’t clear them by any means.

Kilo - I overall find that Kilo’s opinions are very similar to my own way which makes me feel like he has a civ mind set. I can’t decide if that is me putting on blinders or not. I think there are some posts that really feel very civ to me. Like his response to Charlie’s post where he votes Alpha. I’d say slight civ read here too.

Right now I would be comfortable putting a vote on Foxtrot or Bravo. Probably preferably Foxtrot because they are putting significantly less effort in than Bravo. I’m open to hearing opposing views on Alpha, Hotel, and Kilo if there is something others think I am missing there. I’ll look at the deadies later.

[mention]Charlie[/mention] He only made one point and I just did address it.

Bravo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:41 pm I guess hissy fit shit fights are your bread and better. They're the only things keeping your sad little wolfy existence relevant. Playing the victim, side-stepping, arguing semantics, redirecting, ignoring parts and concentrating on irrelevant stuff.

I'll indulge you, Delta-kun.

Hissy fit implies I’m angry or upset. I’m not in the least. I’m just not bothering to indulge things I see as pointless. That’s all. In the past when I played I’ve got all caught up defending in a back forth defending myself. Just not going to exert that energy on what I believe is a baseless accusation. Again give me a case I feel like requires a defense and I’ll give you one.

Regarding Golf, you want to tell me you think he was bad? Because if so it's my turn to make a snarky and/or sarcastic comment like “hilarious. You are so obvi bad.” Or some equally condescending way of saying that your gut says I’m lying. Which is the very definition of baseless. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no problem with gut, I play mostly by gut myself. But don't fool yourself into thinking you’re presenting a case against me. Because you aren’t.

To answer the one and only actual question you’ve asked (which frankly seems like waste of time to make me go back and refresh my thoughts on someone dead two game days ago...), I felt like the progression ofGolf’s posts read like a civ response to situations. When Charlie questioned his joke, and Kilo turned around and questioned Charlie, Golf seemed pinged by Kilo, not Charlie. And when pressed about it by Kilo he showed the mind set of a civ who is trying to look at all the possibilities rather than a baddie looking for a safe lynch to latch onto. His read on Kilo changed as the day went on, in what looked like a really natural way. And he shared it without being pressed to do so. Baddies share when they need to, they don’t want put into a corner, so they like to leave their options open as long as possible. He pressed other players for firm answers when they seemed to be wishy washy. He seemed to be trying to sort out his thoughts about players steeped in rp without trying to make them the main event on Day 1 which would be easy to do as a baddie. My only complaint about him were it was unclear what his reasons were for the actual votes he placed, but again o think that is a civ lean because a baddie wouldn’t want to leave question marks, they want it to look natural and normal to place their vote wherever they do. I don’t see much at all in Golf that can be faulted as bad.

Now, thank you for wasting my time. You can now vote me and pretend it’s because I’ve been so unconvincing to you. Quote me and make a pithy comment ridiculing how obviously bad I am. I’ve done my due diligence in this conversation and I really am moving on now to other things.

Bravo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:06 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:43 am

Bravo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:53 am

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:07 am

Echo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:12 am

Spoiler: show

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:09 am

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.

Sure dude, whatever.

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Delta's response to Bravo's vote was to pay it absolutely no mind and roll eyes. Is that really how a civ responds to that sort of accusation?

Ultimately Delta and Bravo voted together on Juliet, which had the added effect of saving Bravo.

I think Bravo is OG wolf and Delta is the disguised.

It is a civ response indeed, because i am civ and it was my response. When someone votes you with no justification? I’m not wasting my time on it. Bravo is shady. I’ve said it since I first read list. If he wants to bring a credible accusation against me I’d be glad to refute him. In the meantime I have better things to do, like scum hunting.

Let me rephrase. Your post-mortem read on Golf is faker than *insert something fake and witty*.

I don’t care if you thought it was fake. I wasn’t interested in Golf for Golf’s sake. I read him because I needed to decide what I thought about Echo. And what I felt about Golf made me realize what I was suspecting Echo of didn’t hold water so I let it go. I don’t know what you want me to say to this stupid ass accusation. “It’s fake.” It’s not fake, it was my actual thoughts. There you go.

Disgusting post. You managed to write all this and say nothing, that is impressive.

"It's my actual thoughts". Lol. How about substantiating those? I'd like to hear about what exactly made you go "wow Golf is so civ".

You haven’t given any substantial argument for me to even need to respond to. Your accusations are all sarcastic commentary rather than any kind of case. So no, I shag about your so called case against me. It is just your personal opinion with no basis in reality. Bring something worth talking about and I will respond.

Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:07 pm Are they teammates?

Bravo and Delta

Bravo hates Delta they're all over this ISO. search yourself.
Delta is not a fan of Delta either

that'd be a lot of work to distance in a game that doesn't reveal alignments. probably not teammates.

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Bravo and Echo

Bravo prodded Echo often though the tone wasn't necessarily accusatory.
Echo's handling of Bravo was less combative.

they're believable enough as teammates. they've operated in concert, but never as buddies.

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i don't have time to keep doing this right now.

I quite like Delta. It’s Bravo I don’t trust.

Build your narrative, I dgaf. You’re either wrong or bad. Because I am civ. You haven’t made any accusations that amount to more than your gut response. When you have something worth talking about then we can talk. Until then I’ll leave you to chat with whoever else wants to engage him about me. Feel free.

Bravo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:53 am

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:07 am

Echo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:12 am

Spoiler: show

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:09 am

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.

Sure dude, whatever.

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Delta's response to Bravo's vote was to pay it absolutely no mind and roll eyes. Is that really how a civ responds to that sort of accusation?

Ultimately Delta and Bravo voted together on Juliet, which had the added effect of saving Bravo.

I think Bravo is OG wolf and Delta is the disguised.

It is a civ response indeed, because i am civ and it was my response. When someone votes you with no justification? I’m not wasting my time on it. Bravo is shady. I’ve said it since I first read list. If he wants to bring a credible accusation against me I’d be glad to refute him. In the meantime I have better things to do, like scum hunting.

Let me rephrase. Your post-mortem read on Golf is faker than *insert something fake and witty*.

I don’t care if you thought it was fake. I wasn’t interested in Golf for Golf’s sake. I read him because I needed to decide what I thought about Echo. And what I felt about Golf made me realize what I was suspecting Echo of didn’t hold water so I let it go. I don’t know what you want me to say to this stupid ass accusation. “It’s fake.” It’s not fake, it was my actual thoughts. There you go.

Echo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:12 am

Spoiler: show

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:09 am

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.

Sure dude, whatever.

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Delta's response to Bravo's vote was to pay it absolutely no mind and roll eyes. Is that really how a civ responds to that sort of accusation?

Ultimately Delta and Bravo voted together on Juliet, which had the added effect of saving Bravo.

I think Bravo is OG wolf and Delta is the disguised.

It is a civ response indeed, because i am civ and it was my response. When someone votes you with no justification? I’m not wasting my time on it. Bravo is shady. I’ve said it since I first read list. If he wants to bring a credible accusation against me I’d be glad to refute him. In the meantime I have better things to do, like scum hunting.

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.

Sure dude, whatever.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:29 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:22 pm And I answered you and you want to get into an argument of semantics. You don’t like my answer, fine. But I’m not arguing at length over stuff that doesn’t get us anywhere. You can go argue with someone else. It is nonsense to argue the meaning of the word misrepresentation. If I think you are bad you will have no question about it. I have no problems putting my reads in the thread.

I have not quoted the wrong thing. That was what you asked me to show you.

Ugh.

It is not nonsense to question the motivations of using pointed commentary to describe how I have behaved when there are less pointed ways of describing it. This is analysing your behaviour in a very ordinary way. "Why did he choose to use this descriptor". It's very basic and ordinary scum hunting, not some horrible encroachment on your peace and tranquility.

I was asking the question of why you would say I am misrepresenting you as opposed to pointing at that I am misunderstanding you. There are ways to describe what I did from your perspective, many of them, and you chose the most provocative and accusatory way to describe it, which contrasts with the fact that you do not suspect me. It's a valid concern.

I will not be pushed around by someone over simply doing my civilian duty. Pull your head in.

I didn’t push anyone around, I answered your question and when you wanted to continue to debate the issue I said I’m done.

I believe we would have seen two kills if that were the case. Also, it would be OP in a game this small to give the mafia two kills

And I answered you and you want to get into an argument of semantics. You don’t like my answer, fine. But I’m not arguing at length over stuff that doesn’t get us anywhere. You can go argue with someone else. It is nonsense to argue the meaning of the word misrepresentation. If I think you are bad you will have no question about it. I have no problems putting my reads in the thread.

I have not quoted the wrong thing. That was what you asked me to show you.

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated

Correct

ooooooh. thanks.

I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:14 pm Dude stop putting words in my mouth, when I think you are mafia I will call you out as such. You think civs can’t misrepresent someone unintentionally? Bias makes us read things certain ways sometimes and can lead to misrepresentation.

EBWOP

Dude stop putting words in my mouth, when I think you are mafia I will call you out as such. You think cubs can’t misrepresent someone unintentionally? Bias make sure us read things certain ways sometimes and can lead to misrepresentation.

Why do we need to tell you that when the host has already confirmed that it works another way.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:52 pm I think we can all agree that India was the disguiser. That is very obvious as that kill makes no sense otherwise.

India-scum had managed two whole posts. So expect the new version of India to muster the same amount of energy, if not less, as the challenge has now become even greater.

I agree here regarding the India kill.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:49 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:40 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:59 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.

Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?

Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.

The only person that could have possibly been the one conducting such "shady shit" is myself. Yet Delta has rationalised that even though my ultimate move was to vote for Golf, who Delta has determined was a civilian, this somehow clears me.

It is questionable logic. I understand it, but I am not sure that it is a civilian minded progression.

Choosing to exercise discretion on their own analysis however, is, I am want to trust Delta at this time.

Misrepresentation there bud. I didn’t clear you. But your actions at lynch end look much less suspect to me if I am correct about Golf. That doesn’t make you civ, it just means I let go of something I found suspicious in light of other factors after I ISOed Golf.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.

Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?

Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sure they do, they’re probably someone else now.

Wait, that's not how it works, is it? If mafia targeted a player to kill and assume control of their account, I don't think the kill would be announced to the thread.

I assumed their old identity would be killed in place of their target?

Sure they do, they’re probably someone else now.

Oh to clarify, I am saying that I am moving Echo to maybe a null/slight town read.

I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.

Charlie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:01 pm Sprityo, if you want to put these in the OP somewhere that'd be appreciated

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Hotel
India
Juliet
Kilo

Dead:
Golf

Thank you

I was going to take a look at possible teammate ties with Golf and everyone but I can’t be bothered. Too much work corn me and just not how my brain works.

Can anyone post an ISO list? I’m playing on my mobile and it’s a pita to find everyone’s ISOs.

Golf. It looked very much to me like Echo was trying to keep an avenue open for Golf until he didn’t think he could safely do that for himself any longer.

I feel like you are ignoring my point, but frankly I’m not interested in arguing it.

I’ve done a read through of the whole thread so far and this is where I currently stand

Alpha - civ

I like the look of the progression of his thoughts and votes. Early on his rp was a bit empty, but once pushed he moved into what looks fine like legit scum hunting.

Bravo - slight bad

I didn’t care for early votes placed with no reasoning offered. Not a good look. But I liked Bravo’s response to Echo’s vote on me. Not just because it was on me, but because they seemed to pick up on exactly what I find suspect in Echo’s vote. But then after the lynch that comment about one down, I don’t like it. I’m leaning slight bad right now on Bravo.

Charlie - civ

I don’t see anything suspect in his comment about Golf’s vote. We question things that looked forced all the time and I read his statement as that. And every single other post I’ve seen from charlie reads civ to me.

Echo - slight bad

I did not care for his entrance. His easy vote coupled with the way he responded to being called out looked all sorts of bad. Then his vote in the lynch. It looked like someone who really didn’t want to have to vote for a teammate so he tried to make me a viable option. If he suspected Golf as he claimed he should have just voted there and lobbied others to vote there too. Thatis how a civ would normally handle a lynch they fear they might lose. The reason I downgrade him to slight bad instead of full bad read is because of his point about Golf’s statement that someone is their hard town read, also his catching what Bravo said post lynch as well.

Foxtrot - slight civ

I expected to have a null read, but his one post with content was his vote post. He was seeing what I was seeing I think about Echo. I like that vote and reason. But I need more to move him to a solid civ read.

Hotel - civ

Despite rp Hotel has offered solid thoughts and seems to be legit scum hunting so I read them as solid civ right now.

India - null

Nothing to go on.

Juliet - slight bad

After reading through Juliet’s ISO, I have to agree that a lot of it looks forced to me. There was one thing though that looked like a natural suspicion and that was looking at Charlie and Echo as possible teammates. I don’t agree with the conclusion they come to, but I do like the look of this from Juliet. That’s what made me put them at slight bad instead of full bad.

Kilo - slight civ

Despite my current little back and forth with them over Echo’s treatment of me (possible tie here), I feel like I like Kilo’s look. Looks like legit scum hunting, though sometimes I disagree with their conclusions.

Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.

I’m not saying I did something worth not getting lynched, my point was that I was int he same position as at least two or three other people but somehow there was a frantic push for me? Why? I have the luxury of knowing I am civ, so it looks hella suspicious to me.

The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?

Interesting that I am far from the only low or inactive yet somehow there seemed to be a push for me because of my absence. Think that shit needs looked over.

Probably just a recycled sock puppet from the that game and he didn’t change the avatar.

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