The Syndicate

nutella wrote:but I kept an open mind.

Exactly.

I had a pretty strong civ read on LoRab coming in to today but it's that she is the opposite to this that I don't much like. TH and glorfindel, and others talking about them, I think have made good points, that I think would at least make people question those reads, but it doesn't really feel as though LoRab has had much time for doubt.

DP is another option for me.

I really don't like LoRab's laser focus. She seems particularly undeterred. I can see I'm going to have to use my vote in defence of Glorfindel.

Likely places for my vote today...

Soneji, BWT, bass, simon (someone raised a good point about simon a while back... i think he could well be a MM/Wilgy teammate).

Also starting to wonder about LoRab.

Will vote the suicidal moron if its what he really wants.

I think epi knows from experience who he can rely upon to get pms and votes in even when they are busy. It doesn't take much hosting to know, and he does plenty.

However, I find glorfindel laying out his theory to be logical, genuine and sensible. I don't think Epi would do it, but I also think it's a pretty rational explanation for no kills and I don't really feel as though he is pushing it too hard.

It especially doesn't seem likely in an epi hosted game, who I think would reroll if he rolled a list that included a team likely to be inactive. I think epi would make sure he had at least one player he could rely on to be active before accepting the randomised list.

However, one idea I could see as a bit more possible is that some of the baddies in the yellow turbans are amongst those who have been nked early.

Glorfindel looks townie to me. Very townie. Enough to vote in his defence.

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe only her vote for me was forced, and she's pursuing a genuine suspicion with Sorsha. I did note that she's still focused on Sorsha.

It would be interesting to be both forced and have info at the same time. Not impossible, but unlikely. But the suspicion of Sorsha could be without info.

@DDL - I know what you mean. In this game I'm setting out to see how people react to a me that doesn't fit at all with their expectations. It's interesting.

MP, you'll get my vote if you really want it, today. However, I still don't necessarily agree with you on nutella. Why should I agree with you?

OK, I'm beginning to get the sense that people volunteering for duels are doing so in the belief they will win.

MP is being a suicidal moron. Therefore, town.

Also, fwiw, I don't intend to vote TH today.

sloonei, what do you make of TH's overall reactiveness today?

Stuff like saying all the rational people are dead so he will probably just be lynched... town or mafia post?

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote:I like that post from TH.

If only I could have written it BEFORE you voted for me after it seemed clear I was silenced. I have to say that your vote surprised me more than anything else yesterday.

Why? I'm on the record many times as saying I haven't been reading the thread. How would I know you weren't posting in it? I didn't even know silencing was a thing happening in this game, let alone that it was a thing that happened to you.

My vote for you came without, as far as I recall, having read any of your posts in the game. It's worth having my votes on people who are going to get votes, because how people react to genuine wagons matters.

I like that post from TH.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Also, I thought saying I wanted to duel would get more heat then it did but it's like it went unnoticed.

What were you thinking when you suggested it, and were you trying to get reactions out of townies or baddies?

@Quin - I thought his end result looked like he wasn't legitimately trying to find Wilgy and MM's teammates, so I was thinking the team that killed him specifically.

I really don't think Russ makes sense. MM's vote for Russ, that's where it's at.

I really didn't think Timmer made sense either. I read his iso. When I voted, it felt like Timmer could survive. I think I need to look back at how those later votes came in. It's possible some were to save sorsha or TH.

I think people are finding some behaviours that are quite normal from people to be bad.

I also was going to come in today saying I found rico bad (after all his analysis, his votes weren't good), but then he got NKed so... I guess not.

Sloonei wrote:What do people think of DDL?

I haven't exactly read all of DDL, but one thing I noted from him is that he took a statement I made that was fairly clearly a joke, at least a little seriously (or he wanted to test if I was being serious or not, at least).

For me, I think this points to a more townie DDL. Thoughts?

BWT and TH for me.

Timmer - matches timmer town. Matches timmer scum. Can't complain with this choice, but I also feel as though in recent times timmer just always takes suspicion for being timmer. Kinda similar to how I felt about nutella. I'd like to see timmer get his feet into the game.

This may already have been said by someone else, probably Rico lol, but I don't see MM voting Russti if they are partners. I think he would have voted earlier and tried to sway the second train away from Russti slightly more.

Sloonster!

If only you could have had time for this a week ago.

BOOM slang.

That's a really townie post right there. I like it a lot. You go high on my townie list.

Glorfindel wrote:As for you Golden, my friend, I trust your second statement isn't predicated on the first? Assuming that to be the case, can you shed any light on the reasons for your views on Dom?

Not entirely predicated.

But that part was a meta read. So is everything else.

I think in this game Dom sticks out. When Dom is scum, I don't see him sticking out. He might be present and vocal, but it feels more like he is trying to be able to show he is there and part of the game but without drawing attention to himself.

The gimmick felt like town Dom. Making a legitimate read on SVS in death, felt like town Dom. The content from Dom that I've read, feels like town Dom.

I'm just not seeing baddie Dom.

No soup for you!

Ok, here's an independent read from me Rico. I think you are town. I'm cool with Mac too. I don't see the fuss about df. But all of that is still ill-informed, because as I said I have no intent of putting in effort for at least this phase, I need a brain break after champs.

But demanding baddie reads from me ain't going to work, I'll have some when I have some.

Dom wrote:SVS is tired and not that in the mood for PLAYING mafia, I think. She would have been more energized if she had a team with her !

I think this read on SVS is both accurate and genuine.

I'm really feeling good about Dom this game.

Ricochet wrote:Golden: same situation as timmer, although more reasoned in his action: either eggsplashed by MM's flip or considered there is room to wiggle and actively try to pull MM out of dueling spots; clear dissident of MM as a wagon, needless to say. As for his reads - while I understand the UTR-mode during his Finals - I get too much "I don't agree with ... being bad" and too little "I myself find ... bad". Not quite sure what kind of Golden tactic this is and how to fully read it, but I'd rather have the civ-vibe-giving Golden instead, regardless of the rhythm, pace and intensity it's provided: reads, debating, risk-taking.

I will assume that will come when I start reading the thread, even if its low intensity. I cannot overstate how little of this game I have read - it would amount to 3 or 4 pages worth tops. With Dom in particular, I would say I have a read because his posts have been quite frequent in the bits and pieces I read. The same goes for JJ (I guess went in his case) and DDL (also find townie). Contrast this to someone like MP, whose content always seems to be at different times to me so I've barely read any.

Take your post, for example - literally the only bit I have read is the bit about me. I have no read on you.

I'm probably going to take... I would say, at least this phase... off from reading any mafia, and then I'll start trying my best to give genuine reads from then. I wouldn't want to pretend I've been doing anything short of phoning it in and picking up on little bits and pieces that have caught my attention within the immediate vicinity of where I check in.

Damn JJJ and SVS killers. I don't like you.

Well done on getting MM, which I didn't see coming. My champs game is now over (yay for winning!), which you might say in theory now means I will read this thread.

In theory, I will. I'll at least be a little more engaged in the game. But I still don't intend to go full golden. My wife was very obliging in letting me play the champs finale, but I've pretty much promised to be on mafia break right now, so this game is still something I'm intending to take very easy.

Look at marmot being all mature.

I went for russti and timmer. Primary reason, to get MM and dom less likely on the block. Secondary reason, trust the place where both MP and JJ put their vote (which may or may not be foolish but they feel town to me right now).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm voting now because the site keeps crashing and I don't want it to happen when it's too late. Russtifinko and timmer.

I was wondering if it was just me having issues.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I cased nutella hard in Bullets Over Broadway and I was wrong.

I cased nutella hard in Battlestar Galactica and I was right.

In this instance I think the case material presented by MP is less thick (understandably under the circumstances), but it's good enough to be in the duel discussion.

Cool. I will read it when I get time, but I think presenting a perspective of how people read nutella unaffected by understanding the case in this game could be useful.

At this point I'm inclined to vote russti and BWT. I feel sort of bad for russti in particular in that I don't recall specifically reading anything from him, but it's a vote more in favour of keeping dom and marmot around.

BWT - I don't have time for an informed vote either. But I know I'm not bad, so self voting is definitely a worse option.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:Even in BSG where she was bad, the case against her seemed to be all about her btsc with LoRab that she didn't have, and I felt like the case on her was wrong (from a host perspective).

That wasn't what my case was about.

As you know, your contributions to games are generally blendy and unmemorable

Did Bass or bwt explain why they want to be involved in the duel?

My experience of nutella.

Cases look great in theory. She is town in practice.

Not that she should be considered town by default. I just feel like I've heard these cases on nutella before.

Even in BSG where she was bad, the case against her seemed to be all about her btsc with LoRab that she didn't have, and I felt like the case on her was wrong (from a host perspective).

This is coming purely from the perspective of someone who hasn't read nutella's posts at all this game. I thought starting from a point of meta might be interesting. See what people think.

I'm still really not keeping up with the game and tend to read a handful of recent posts each time I pop in, so my opinion is relatively uninformed.

But Dom and marmot do not seem like good bets to me. They seem contributory. I'll probably be looking to vote to keep them off the block.

reywaS wrote:I miss playing with you guys.

The feeling is mutual.

I believe bubbles entirely.

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:Good job on wilgy btw everyone. For whatever reason (probably that I'm not really reading the thread much) I didn't realise that the duel is actually us influencing the lynch. So, good that I know that now.

Wait what did you think it did? Give entertainment before football season started?0

possibly. If you're asking me to show in depth thought processes I might disappoint you.

Good job on wilgy btw everyone. For whatever reason (probably that I'm not really reading the thread much) I didn't realise that the duel is actually us influencing the lynch. So, good that I know that now.

Jj is a noob. Hoping Simon doesn't realise I am as well.

Asked why I wasn't consensus town to see if anyone was taking my posting seriously. Only ddl, and I think that's probably par for the course and not suspicious.

Mp, come back and just play like me, it's fun.

Don't think mp is scum. Not sure why I'm not consensus town yet?

You are already perfect, timmer.

Went with DF and DP.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have a bad feeling the "UTR" crew will be more than half of the player roster. :P

Thats why I said 'generally' utr - players I have a hard time getting reads on in normal circumstances.

I mean, I'm gonna be utr this game.

I mean, I haven't caught up yet, but do we have much in the way of suspected baddies yet?

I was thinking of pitting two generally utr players against each other. Might be a way of getting some earlier reads.

Dom wrote:None of you losers voted for me. Sad !

I'm the most qualified person to ever run for prefect. Make Prefects Great Again!

Turnip Head wrote:Prefect - (n) a chief officer, magistrate, or regional governor in certain countries.


Is anyone qualified for such a position? And if you are qualified, please explain your qualifications as creatively and amusingly as you can. My vote is up in the air.

I'm the greatest mafia player in history. Vote for me. Make The Syndicate Great Again.


Don't vote for Fake Scotty. He acts-- what a fake !


The establishment is a bunch of liars. Lyin' Turnip Head and Crooked Sorshs

Vote Dom 2016.
Get the establishment pigs out!

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016.

Why is ninja paying for your election campaign?

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?

Because he skipped the rules section on page one. Lol

The rules say that self-voting is permitted, but it doesn't seem like a very Jay thing to do to give himself a potential reward.

I disagree Golden.

I think what's actually most striking here is this "Why didn't everyone vote for themselves"?

No - I mean, I'd expect it from a Wilgy. It seems odd from a Jay. Particular a Jay in a close contest for the lead.

I've got an idea though - how about others stop speaking for Jay, because I want to hear what he has to say about it.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?

Because he skipped the rules section on page one. Lol

The rules say that self-voting is permitted, but it doesn't seem like a very Jay thing to do to give himself a potential reward.

Jay, why did you vote for yourself?

I appreciate the sentiment from people who think I'd make a good prefect, but it's definitely worth taking a hard pass on giving it to me this time.

Scotty wrote:Also, vote for me. I'll be a better president than Herbert Hoover

If only we were voting for a president...

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