The Syndicate

I don't like it when people add words that aren't there to back a misrepresentation.

Yeah, my reasons for the early strong town read had fallen off a cliff.

Linki @quin - I did not say that at all. Jay said 'I might kill you', but being entirely honest, what do you think jay meant by that - an arbitrary selection from that list or choosing a pool of people to discuss? Because I sure interpreted it as the latter and I think jay would back me up in saying that's how he intended it.

Ok, I just isoed for my references to 'quin' and I wasn't particularly firm about my quin suspicion. But I do feel like you got a lot in early then virtually vanished and drifted by. I pointed this out a couple of times. I didn't do a rainbow in the middle.

Incomplete thought progression recording is a thing when I'm this busy, but the fact I only had you as light town AFTER I defended your entry into the thread today should speak fairly well to my progression on you.

I don't think you are unimpeachable and deserve to avoid discussion about you.

I haven't been strongly tiwnreading you since day one. I was strongly town reading you on day one. By the end of day three, my position on you was quite different. I was quite suspicious of you. The entry you made into the thread today got you back to weak town. All of this is in the thread, and I was having specific discussions with you about my suspicion on day three.

Put another way, Quin - there is no reason the baddies would not have an odd night doctor given there is an odd night vig. I have to put aside the claim because I do not think the claim is in any way what makes you civ or bad. I think your content is much more important.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

What does Jack have to do with the hints I gave that lead you to the thought that I was claiming doctor?

Nothing, but your doctor claim has nothing to do with my reasons for reading you as civ. It had to do with my reasons for thinking Jack was bad (ie, I thought it was obvious enough that his suspicion looked false). But it does nothing to move my needle on your affiliation.

My perception of you in that exchange was coloured by the fact I felt Jack looked off in that exchange. I want to look at it again and see if I still feel that way taking 'it feels like Jack is setting Quin up' out of the equation. If it does, I'll likely come back to a town read. If it doesn't, it might not. Whatever, you don't get an automatic pass just because I was town reading you earlier and just because you want one.

juliets wrote:

Golden wrote:I feel the need to read speedchuck. He *feels* town but last time I analysed him I didn't like what felt like feigned ignorance.

@Speed - why are you town?

Golden, is there anything I could review that speedchuck has done or said that would help me understand what you are seeing? I have been reading him as town.

He *feels* town (to me as well) on a tone basis. But on day one, when I looked properly at his interrogation of me, it felt like the push he put on me wasn't genuine (because I came to realise he had actually caught up and read my explanations for what I had done and why I had done it, but then he criticised me as 'doing nothing' without acknowledging any of it). Since then, I haven't really looked into him again to see if there are more instances of the same kind of thing - things which don't feel intellectually honest. I haven't had time to do another look yet.

speedchuck wrote:Towniest single thing I've done? Refreshing hundreds of times on D2 just to make sure that a mafia lynch went through on Marmot. I generally don't like to focus on that, since I was waffle on that lynch, but I honestly think it was the towniest thing I've accomplished.

I'll take a look at your role in that.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

Towniest*

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote: @Speed - why are you town?

Luck of the draw, I guess. I don't know how pE determined the ordering or giving of roles.

I'd like to think that I've been helpful and added to discussions in a way that benefits town, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah, put another way.. what do you think is the townies that thing you've done.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:On that note, I'll be back later.

speedchuck wrote:that's probably impossible

Correct order of events

I feel the need to read speedchuck. He *feels* town but last time I analysed him I didn't like what felt like feigned ignorance.

@Speed - why are you town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

Sorry, I see all the other questions. Because my work PC has started having these rollback issues, I couldnt see those posts.

Bugger. I don't think it's inherently bad in that we probably would have lynched Jack anyway

What is marking? Has anyone come across this before?

Sloonei wrote:I think I am ready to shoot. A reminder that we all have to wait in silence for sprityo to post the results before talking again.

If you are going to shoot me, can you please say so that I can post the five map things first.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The item voted on Night 2 is a corrupted jury.

That is not the name of the thing I got, and doesn't even seem like a very likely pseudonym for the same thing. It doesn't really relate at all.

I missed voting for someone on it because I didn't think to set that vote up in advance.

Golden does not believe the item he received was the result of the Night 2 voting. This would suggest he received something from an inventor, or is making it all up.
Long Con is claiming to have gifted me a gun on Night 2. This suggests he is an inventor, but not the one who gifted an item to Golden.

We have no public evidence of any other items being delivered at any other point in the game, except by the travel mechanic.

I already said something about this. You're trying to piece something together without having all the pieces. But this setup won't be known before after the game. I suggest more behavior analysis and less night action analysis where it's incomplete.

I completely agree with this. It's my cylon point. Trying to assign town veracity to info claims is a dangerous game.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Well it's odd, because I specifically asked LC if he had given any items at any other times, and he said no. But then he specifically asked if anyone else got an item night 2, which I did.

Gimme a GTH read on LC.

Town

So you believe that he gave me this gun, and that a different role with similar abilities gave you your item, and that there is a third item floating around from the Night vote?

I have:

a) no reason to disbelieve it, given the information I have at hand
b) no reason to believe its truth or untruth is at all alignment indicative of Long Con, knowing him like I do.

My gth read is based on the tone of his posts generally. I feel LC has an earnestness he can't replicate when bad. Like, he believes in his opinions and theories and it comes across. It also felt (from an external perspective) like he was well positioned on the marmot vote. His vote goes anywhere else and marmot is possibly not lynched? But that's a 'not there in the moment' view (and honestly, sorry, but I haven't had time to read back that part of the thread in any detail).

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Well it's odd, because I specifically asked LC if he had given any items at any other times, and he said no. But then he specifically asked if anyone else got an item night 2, which I did.

Gimme a GTH read on LC.

Town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

@Golden

Revisionist nothing. You left out your full results and encouraged the idea that Marmot was behind the targeting switch.

Now, maybe that was just a mistake. I have a lot of experience with the role. It's in most of our games. Maybe you don't.

But like I said, if you want me to believe you made a mistake, you need to be upfront with your other results, not beat around the bush like you're afraid someone's gonna bust your claim.

I'm sorry. This is a blatant lie. Prove what you are saying. I did not encourage or anything marmot. I did the opposite.

It's literally in the post I quoted. Just look up.

You say that JJJ and Fred not being the same alignment makes sense. You don't give your actual results in that post or your next several posts.

Oh, and not only did I say it 'makes sense', the next sentence was literally 'assuming the marmot redirected me'.

Well it's odd, because I specifically asked LC if he had given any items at any other times, and he said no. But then he specifically asked if anyone else got an item night 2, which I did.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden, have any of your earlier reads changed significantly in the present?

You mean from my overnight rainbow? Jack has gone down based on this argument I'm having, but he was already on a downward slide after the quin stuff.

I have to admit I'm not up to play on all the claims and counterclaims. Some of that might effect my reads if I understood it all.

Soneji wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The item voted on Night 2 is a corrupted jury.

Have we gotten to know what it does yet?

At a guess, we won't. I bet nutella had it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The item voted on Night 2 is a corrupted jury.

That is not the name of the thing I got, and doesn't even seem like a very likely pseudonym for the same thing. It doesn't really relate at all.

I missed voting for someone on it because I didn't think to set that vote up in advance.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

@Golden

Revisionist nothing. You left out your full results and encouraged the idea that Marmot was behind the targeting switch.

Now, maybe that was just a mistake. I have a lot of experience with the role. It's in most of our games. Maybe you don't.

But like I said, if you want me to believe you made a mistake, you need to be upfront with your other results, not beat around the bush like you're afraid someone's gonna bust your claim.

I'm sorry. This is a blatant lie. Prove what you are saying. I did not encourage or anything marmot. I did the opposite.

It's literally in the post I quoted. Just look up.

You say that JJJ and Fred not being the same alignment makes sense. You don't give your actual results in that post or your next several posts.

Oh, I'm sorry, saying something 'makes sense' is 'encouraging the idea' is it? What about what I did after that point?

Basically what you are saying is 'because golden didn't catch on to the fact that he would have seen marmot if that was the correct answer before I did, he must be bad/lying'.

Well, sorry for not being as good as you at the game. I've never done this role before. That also made sense when you said it. Saying something makes sense isn't the same as giving the final word or 'encouraging people' to see it that way.

If you read the full part of the thread in progression it will be incredibly clear that what I was doing was trying to make sense of the situation. I don't know or care when I said exactly what happened, because what I said happened is the truth. By the way, you seem to have forgotten that I got false results from sprit accidentally, so I think at the time I even said 'that makes sense' I may not have known the truth of who I targetted. I can't remember the timing. What I can remember is that I never encouraged a particular interpretation of what happened. I just wanted to figure out what happened.

Now Soneji says shoot me. I'm target de jour.

I have a lot of work to get done today so I'm not going to be around to defend myself a whole lot.

Right now, I'd vote Jack. He already went down my rainbow for his approach to Quin at the start of the day. It seemed evident to me that there was a whole lot of inherent town-leaning stuff going on from Quin (and also, evident to me that Quin was hinting at doctor before he claimed, given he confirmed there was a blocker), but Jack pushed him far further than seemed natural even for someone who was suspicious of him (Jay's approach seemed much more in line with genuine suspicion tempered with sensible town play if wrong).

Now, his approach to me appears to be clinging on to the suspect du jour, but he's coming at me with alternate facts.

I don't like it at all.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Lynch me if you must, but I will not be bullied into revealing any information I do not think it's wise to give. End of story.

People who want to force me into saying things that I have made it abundantly clear I will not share should be seen with suspicion, in my opinion. It is not hard to think of good reasons why I would hold back information in the towns interests, I'm telling you that's what I'm doing. Believe it or don't believe it, whatever, but you aren't getting me to budge.

Remind me again what you have revealed about your role and targets.

I'm watcher. I targeted Jay on night one, but ended up seeing myself and Eloh targeted Fred. Since then, on the next two nights, I have seen only myself.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

There is no value in the town knowing that. In fact, negative value.

You can't even confirm or deny if it has the same name as the item we voted on that night?

I can if you can find for me the name of the item we voted on that night. I can't find it.

Lynch me if you must, but I will not be bullied into revealing any information I do not think it's wise to give. End of story.

People who want to force me into saying things that I have made it abundantly clear I will not share should be seen with suspicion, in my opinion. It is not hard to think of good reasons why I would hold back information in the towns interests, I'm telling you that's what I'm doing. Believe it or don't believe it, whatever, but you aren't getting me to budge.

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

There is no value in the town knowing that. In fact, negative value.

I'm not going to tell you my other targets. I know why, you don't. I've never beaten around the bush on anything in mafia ever. If you think the sign of me being scum is hesitancy and the inability to spin a compelling lie, you don't know me at all.

But right now you are quite literally reinventing the circumstances of my claim to suit your narrative. Others suggested I was marmot. I was exercising caution. Anyone can go back and see this was true.

You are yet to provide a single compelling reason why I should share my day two and three targets. You say my claim can be busted, but I know it won't be, because it's the 109% truth. If there is any kind of ld role or role cop I have no problem with them checking any of it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

@Golden

Revisionist nothing. You left out your full results and encouraged the idea that Marmot was behind the targeting switch.

Now, maybe that was just a mistake. I have a lot of experience with the role. It's in most of our games. Maybe you don't.

But like I said, if you want me to believe you made a mistake, you need to be upfront with your other results, not beat around the bush like you're afraid someone's gonna bust your claim.

I'm sorry. This is a blatant lie. Prove what you are saying. I did not encourage or anything marmot. I did the opposite.

Well la de da. I'm sorry my inexperience with claiming means I did it wrong. I didn't intend to claim and only did because I thought it would help. I never manipulated anyone into thinking it was marmot, that's bullshit revisionist history.

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

I just asked you if you gave anyone else something at any time and you said no!

I did get an item on night 2 as well. That's why I was asking. It's not a gun. It would quite possibly qualify as an invention.

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote: All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

And that throws people like me off.

People generally know when to claim where I'm from. People here are either pointlessly reluctant or drop their pants as soon as they see someone else do it.

I have to admit, this has felt like a 'Oh man, everyone's doing it, lets do it' day.

I believe it's highly likely there are lies amongst today's claims (or, true claims that aren't good - like if there are around three protector roles, one could be bad?). I'm thinking of the Cylon Amnesty Act, where people thought they could catch cylons amongst the people who refused to claim being a cylon, but actually all the cylons claimed early because they felt that would keep them out of the discussion.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

That's fair, but you shouldn't expect Long Con to think anything through in that much detail except as a host. This is a man who will ply crazy schemes that are bound to fail because he doesn't think them through. If Long Con is lying, he got lucky about getting the day right, I can assure you.

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

Sloonei wrote:Golden, do you know anything about the specific items in each area on the map?

No. I know nothing except the locations and where you can get to from each one. And they are two different sets of information so I need to cross reference all the time. It's fun but I don't feel there is any game benefit to the holder.

Strawhenge wrote:There's a lot of stuff I wasn't here for, so if someone else has the answer to this, I would love to be enlightened.

But hey Golden, I'm curious about your vote for INH instead of La Marmota?

linki: Oh, cool, he's here. Golden! Hey Golden! {points at question]

I wasn't around for the second half of the phase. I've already addressed this earlier although I admit my iso is a pain. I can't say what I would have done for sure but marmot was on the table for me.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I want Golden's night results.

Claiming watcher puts a target on your back. Doing so without bringing forward good information is unnecessary.

I can understand some hesitancy to reveal night information due to the possibility of outing say, the doctor, but I think that ship has sailed.

We already ran into trouble with Golden misinterpreting his information (thinking Marmot had busdriver JJJ and Fred). I wouldn't be surprised (assuming Golden is town) if there was a useful gem of information for the town in those results.

Bullshit. We didn't run into any trouble with me misinterpreting information. I made the claim specifically because I was trying to draw out whether or not jay was bad (I mean, it followed from my claim that I was misdirected). Then I gave accurate information that I did not misinterpret.

I have been very clear that I saw no one but me in my watching results the last two nights. What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.

Why are you alive? Why did you not watch the publicly exposed vigilante and cop the last two nights?

These questions seem oddly contradictory.

You're right. But on the one hand, you claim to be an unlimited-shot watcher (I think) while all the other roles in the game seem somehow limited, and you're also apparently holding the map, yet you've gone untouched by the mafia.

On the other hand we've had two publicly outed town power roles who you've failed to watch over at night. Two separate possible angles to doubt the validity of your claim.

This is all fair, but the claim is the truth.

Being lynched would be a blessed relief, but it's not going to help the town.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I want Golden's night results.

Claiming watcher puts a target on your back. Doing so without bringing forward good information is unnecessary.

I can understand some hesitancy to reveal night information due to the possibility of outing say, the doctor, but I think that ship has sailed.

We already ran into trouble with Golden misinterpreting his information (thinking Marmot had busdriver JJJ and Fred). I wouldn't be surprised (assuming Golden is town) if there was a useful gem of information for the town in those results.

Bullshit. We didn't run into any trouble with me misinterpreting information. I made the claim specifically because I was trying to draw out whether or not jay was bad (I mean, it followed from my claim that I was misdirected). Then I gave accurate information that I did not misinterpret.

I have been very clear that I saw no one but me in my watching results the last two nights. What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.

Why are you alive? Why did you not watch the publicly exposed vigilante and cop the last two nights?

These questions seem oddly contradictory.

Even at the time, as the actual map holder, it was clear to me lc was not asking if he could trust me but rather if the map was useful, which is why my response to him was what it was.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.

The believability of your claim does hinge on those targets largely, because the last two night kills have been pretty obvious targets -- the sorts of targets often watched by watchers.

Perhaps instead of revealing the targets immediately, you could start by revealing why you didn't watch Silver Lantern or nutella.

I did initially watch Nutella, but I changed my mind halfway through the night.

Silver lantern made no particular impression on me by the time I had to ask sprit if he'd accept my ability early. I don't remember when the vig claim came.

I've been thinking of this role as being as useful in knowing who to protect in the thread as who to go after. I've heard of watchers but never seen one in action, so I'll admit I haven't had the clear a thought process as 'find the killer'. I've been thinking more 'who's likely to be targeted'. I want as much info as possible to help me solve the game.

In terms of my ability to identify the kill target - well you're right that Nutella was obvious in hindsight and I should have stuck, but I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread to the point where I would ask for a replacement if sprit had them available. There's so much going on and to ask me to pick the exact target the baddies are nking is, or feels like, the same thing as criticising me for my time deficit, which I just can't help.

But in my opinion even saying 'this is the philosophy for how to pick my target as a watcher' seems to be a leg up for the baddies and I believe I have a pattern that I'd need to change if I revealed each one.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I want Golden's night results.

Claiming watcher puts a target on your back. Doing so without bringing forward good information is unnecessary.

I can understand some hesitancy to reveal night information due to the possibility of outing say, the doctor, but I think that ship has sailed.

We already ran into trouble with Golden misinterpreting his information (thinking Marmot had busdriver JJJ and Fred). I wouldn't be surprised (assuming Golden is town) if there was a useful gem of information for the town in those results.

Bullshit. We didn't run into any trouble with me misinterpreting information. I made the claim specifically because I was trying to draw out whether or not jay was bad (I mean, it followed from my claim that I was misdirected). Then I gave accurate information that I did not misinterpret.

I have been very clear that I saw no one but me in my watching results the last two nights. What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.

juliets wrote:

Golden wrote: <snip>

2) Jay, it's true I didn't have much of a progression in marmot. One thing you left out is the first reads post (where I had him as town) was so early that I didn't even have a read on nutella yet. I liked his map cover and the way he handled himself around it. I didn't like much else thereafter. I referenced Dune which was a game where he lacked in any real content. That's exactly what he felt like here.

On the day he was lynched, I had to be absent and had very little time to contribute, so it is an accurate observation to say I didn't push my marmot suspicion much but I didn't really push any much (even inh, who I voted for). I wish I could say who I would have voted for or what I might have contributed if I was around, but I can't. I think it would probably have been marmot, but perhaps my participation in the thread would have seen inh lynched and delayed the marmot vote. Who knows.

Golden, on the subject of your progression, you indicate you didn't have much of a read on nutella when you did your first reads on Marmot. I took this to mean once you got a civ read on nutella it influenced your thoughts on marmot because she came out against him. I checked her posts and your posts though and you changed your read on marmot before nutella came out against him. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying about the relationship between the two in your mind. Could you clarify?

No, I just meant that this highlights how early that read was of marmot.

I also realised I can post directions for the next several days of map so we are death-proofed against getting lost (in theory, provided everyone listens). But it will take analysis so that waits until the morning as well. Good night.

I've been out all evening, so haven't caught up (soooo much posting in this game, and I didn't realise how busy I was going to be at the same time.)

A few notes on what I have seen:

1) I think it's quite possible juliets isn't claiming doctor, so lets not presume she is just by implication (unless I've missed her confirm it). There are other reasons she might have to doubt Quin's claim.

2) Jay, it's true I didn't have much of a progression in marmot. One thing you left out is the first reads post (where I had him as town) was so early that I didn't even have a read on nutella yet. I liked his map cover and the way he handled himself around it. I didn't like much else thereafter. I referenced Dune which was a game where he lacked in any real content. That's exactly what he felt like here.

On the day he was lynched, I had to be absent and had very little time to contribute, so it is an accurate observation to say I didn't push my marmot suspicion much but I didn't really push any much (even inh, who I voted for). I wish I could say who I would have voted for or what I might have contributed if I was around, but I can't. I think it would probably have been marmot, but perhaps my participation in the thread would have seen inh lynched and delayed the marmot vote. Who knows.

3) Today is a clusterfuck.

I was intending to do a proper thinking mans rainbow but I haven't really revisited people properly. So I'll do a sort of gth rainbow for now, and then tomorrow Jay can see what's different and ask me about my thought progression.

Jay
Dizzy
Sloonei
Long Con
Quin
juliets
Jack
Fred
Soneji
Eloh
Scotty
Strawhenge
Speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden: is there anything holding you back from claiming the remainder of your watch targets if you haven't already?

I will if there ever comes a time to call someone's bluff, but I can't see any reason to throw out people who no one else watched. It could both make my target set more predictable, and also reduce the target area for baddies to lie in.

Dyslexicon wrote:Is anyone seeing Quin/Jack as possible teammates, or am I just crazy?

I'm not, but I'm interested in what you're seeing that makes you say that.