The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I call shenanigans on that post, Golden.

Look, truth be told, if Bubbles is bad I'm being lynched the day after.

I have known that for a very long time. I'm kind of like, whatevs. Nothing I can do about it.

But I'm not going to stop standing up for what I think is correct. Perhaps, if Bubbles IS bad, then after lynching me and realising there are no shenanigans you can revisit the possibility of that statement I made about LoRab. I think it is far more likely than your explanation.

I still think the most likely explanation by a long margin is that bubbles went 'oh, maybe lorab is a girl', and just corrected herself.

I think if the gender thing was to be meaningful and intentional, it would point more towards LoRab being her teammate and them distancing, than he being corrected and then saying so.

@SVS - as I said. There is zero chance of her being the LAST baddie.

Two alive does not make her the last.

S~V~S wrote:

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

Bizarrely enough, I do.

Linki @ Golden, once again, I am talking about her posts in this game. Not every game. Someone corrected her out of the thread about Lorabs gender, imo.

I think you underestimate bubbles wildly if you think she is silly enough to have the gender corrected in btsc and then come in and post about it.

I mean, how many times do we lynch bubbles as civ for the exact same reasons before we stop finding the behaviour suspicious?

linki @SVS - I don't keep saying that. I did say it once at the start of the day (thinking the cop had to send the PM in, I didn't realise team PMs were a thing) and Dom corrected me. Since then, I've only pointed out she can't be Scarecrow for that reason.

S~V~S wrote:I know it isn't deliberate Bullz, it is just your style. No judgment.

And Golden, I am more concerned with her posts in *this* game.

I understand that... but I still think the comparison is relevant.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Linki, you can be pretty blendy, Bullz. I have no clue about you, either way. You could be bad, or not. :Shrug:

I'm never deliberately blendy. I think you have blendiness confused with not having a lot of time to keep up.

I haven't found you blendy this game. Take your mac suss as an example of having very clear independent views. I've found dom and lorab more blendy.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

So if she is the recruited cop then the last baddie is sending them.

Yep. If Bubbles is Falcone, this is what I think must be happening.

Matt wrote:I'd like to point something out btw.

I defended Bubbles early on in the game against Lorab, and even recently (maybe a phase or two ago?). Bubbles earlier in the game defended me, and now suddenly "agrees with Matt on Lorab".

If Bubbles IS bad, a mafia and there is one more on her team...what she is doing is implicating me as being her partner, IMO. I don't like it, and wanted to address this immediately.

If it makes me look bad, whatevs, but I'm really not liking Bubbles buddying up to me the way she has.

But is it any different to her saying "I agree with golden about glorfindel, voting SVS"?

I mean, some people came away from that, I think, seeing bubbles as possibly my teammate.

But again, look through ALL her civ games, her posts have a very recognisable pattern...

When she votes, she comes in and says 'I agree with person x, I like their case on y. Voting y"... she always has.

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

I dunno, I just personally don't feel like I won unless I was alive at the end. Can't really explain why, I just don't. Perhaps it's because I've played so many games where you HAD to be alive to be counted as a winner.

I get it. I personally still prefer alive to win just because it was our culture, you know?

So you would lean towards DH not being a slip?

S~V~S wrote:Golden, was the Falcome cop lynched?

No, as far as we know there could still be two of them alive. Bubbles could be the cop, but as Dom pointed out she wouldn't have to send in the kill (team PMs are allowed). But I don't think she could be the last baddie. If she is one, someone else needed to send in the PM.

I also won't be voting for juliets today.

@Matt - there is zero chance of bubbles being the last baddie. She didn't send in a PM last night.

I will definitely vote for Dom if I can get enough others voting that way.

@Matt - I think a Dom vote is a great vote!!!

@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

Interested on any and all opinions on DH's thing about being disappointed if he 'loses' after being lynched and others who stay alive 'win'...

Am I being overly paranoid to feel like its a slip?

Bubbles wrote:im still here not disappeared at all, i'll vote for someone in a little bit

Hey bubbles. I know this isn't much like you to do this, but I'd be really interested in if you could give thoughts on quite a few players at once... if you can.

I mean, Enrique and I clashed a lot in the early game, and I felt like he came out the other side looking civ. Admittedly his most civvyish defence was against my assertion he was on Maroni (which he is not). I think he has genuinely tried to help the civilian cause. He could be bad but he isn't one of my most likely suspects.

@JC - interesting.

Typhoony wrote:Enrique? Dunno. GTH read.

I'm voting DH.

Hey, Typh...

DH equating death with losing..

Slip or his genuine feelings about endgame=winning?

Matt, why have I marked you as civ?

It's just how I'm reading Enrique. It's not my words that he is 'obvious' civ.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think there is any way epi will give a win to people who aren't playing.

Also, I know in my case, that my death is not what will determine whether I win, so it's interesting you are equating death with loss.

Is it?

Very

Pls explain.

GCPD win conditions aren't survival based. You said you would be annoyed if you were lynched and therefore lost while people who didn't deserve it got wins. If you are worried that lynching will lose you the game, it suggests to me you are not GCPD.

I associate endgame with winning. Maybe I should have said if you let those players make it to endgame and I dont make it to endgame I will be upset.

Maybe you should have

Typhoony wrote:It's not a steal, she basically shares the win con with whoever she picks.

The role description says she steals it.

Has someone previously clarified this with the hosts?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think there is any way epi will give a win to people who aren't playing.

Also, I know in my case, that my death is not what will determine whether I win, so it's interesting you are equating death with loss.

Is it?

Very

Pls explain.

GCPD win conditions aren't survival based. You said you would be annoyed if you were lynched and therefore lost while people who didn't deserve it got wins. If you are worried that lynching will lose you the game, it suggests to me you are not GCPD.

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think Catwoman has a role that facilitates being told you were targeted.

Would be kind of a bummer if you didn't know you had no win condition.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think there is any way epi will give a win to people who aren't playing.

Also, I know in my case, that my death is not what will determine whether I win, so it's interesting you are equating death with loss.

Is it?

Very

Or are they aware of the Penguin being alive at any time recently?

I'm pretty sure the Riddler is still around.

Hey, has anyone ever been targetted by Catwoman?

I don't think there is any way epi will give a win to people who aren't playing.

Also, I know in my case, that my death is not what will determine whether I win, so it's interesting you are equating death with loss.

I will admit I'm slightly bothered by the fact they may be inmates and whatever cops are their equivalents are just basically screwed over by their non-participation.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I was so pissed when you guys were accusing me of BTS with Sabie, and I had BTS with Sabie in R & B, and she was like almost never there, thread or chat lol. It was like a minor existential crisis (very minor ).

Linki, so who are those people?

That'd be Bass, Ek, and Equivocate. Maybe Bubbles. But at least bubbles has been here this month.

OK, but why run through a bunch of people who aren't here when we know there are kills and targets from the Scarecrow?

S~V~S wrote:I was so pissed when you guys were accusing me of BTS with Sabie, and I had BTS with Sabie in R & B, and she was like almost never there, thread or chat lol. It was like a minor existential crisis (very minor ).

Linki, so who are those people?

This is why you were laughing, SVS!!

Oh, I get it, blendy is DF not floyd lol.

@SVS - there is one flaw in the idea that they wouldn't 'overbalance' one baddie team against the other, and that is the recruits.

Team dead recruited floyd, a non-player. Ouch, bad luck.
Team alive could have recruited a high posting townie. Sabie replaced lovedelic, so you could call nero and lovedelic = as newbies epi wouldn't have known. DF is a regular who, despite being quiet, I don't think epi would underestimate his skill. So, for me, the idea of thinking about balance probably doesn't narrow the field very much.

When did Floyd start going by the name blendy?

Bass_the_Clever - town
Bubbles - town
Bullzeye - town
DharmaHelper - inmate
Dom - bad
ekeknat - inmate
Enrique - town
Equivocate - inmate
Golden - town
juliets - town
Lorab - inmate
Matt - town
MovingPictures07 - Wayne
S~V~S - Wayne
Typhoony - town

Thats my guess. I have come around on bubbles somewhat to the idea its possible she is bad but I still gut town read her.

Dom would be my preference for a lynch but DH is someone I have no doubt would target me day one. It still feels somewhat like a shot in the dark.

I actually think juliets could be inmate, she could even be Scarecrow. DH and juliets are my top two suspects for Scarecrow.

Typhoony wrote:I'd like a civ/bad/inmate GTH. I'm having trouble figuring out how some people would differentiate their civ/inmate play.

I agree. I think people I read as civ could reasonably easily be inmates, although in some cases the specific roles I have in mind make it less likely. If I were an inmate, I expect I'd be pushing for a civ win.

I'm happy to do a gth. But I don't think mine will harbour any surprises at this stage.

My vote today will probably be Dom. I really think he is not town-aligned.

Matt wrote:Even if Bubbles is bad, do we think she's the Scarecrow? Because I'd like to take out Scarecrow first unless Falcone plans on taking out MP soon (no offense MP).

I don't think she is Scarecrow. She definitely didn't visit the site in about a three day (real life) period before the dawning of this day, because I checked her most recent visit time very early in this day period. And if Enrique isn't Scarecrow (for example, because Bubbles was) there is no reason for him to lie about being targetted last night.

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

I don't really know the answer to that. When she has been not civ in the past she hasn't lasted long.

Dom wrote:Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?

I mean I think he was genuinely targetted last night. His words sound genuine. Also, I think if someone wanted to distance themselves from being the Scarecrow they'd do it long before day 10.

I don't think Enrique is scarecrow since he started this convo today.

S~V~S wrote:

Typhoony wrote:I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

This.

Also trying to think who specifically would target Golden day one.

Yeah, it's an interesting question, right? I feel like it could be telling except that this group is full of the old crowd, and then you have someone like Enrique who is we are much newer to each other but we were quarrelling on night 0...

@Dom - I don't think any inmate is 'terribly malicious' - I made clear from day zero my focus is on mafia. If Bubbles was lynched and came back bad, I think it likely I wouldn't go after you any more.

@Dom - btw, yesterday as in day 9 gamewise.

I would have targetted Typhoony too

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why would Scarecrow be honest?

Why would scarecrow lie? Both sides create wifom. I don't think we can assume that Scarecrow would do one or the other.

Well considering that the possible Scarecrow list consists of self reporters, why wouldn't he just say he was targeted? He knows everyone he targeted so he could just pick a night he targeted someone dead. Why wouldn't he lie?

I think DH is more likely to have targeted me than not.

You not being targetted is interesting. It gave me a brief moment of paranoia, but I don't think you are the Scarecrow. But I do think it means you are in a telling position, in terms of mayeb having some insight into who would have targetted you by now.

I certainly would have targetted you

I think that might be mold, not mould.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.

I read all your sabie/sprit stuff yesterday, when I was trying to figure out if I thought you fit the mould of Falcone. I felt like you were on the fence enough about which to vote that you were ready to go whichever way was advantageous. I think you are much more likely to have been bussing Sabie then, than you would be to be bussing Bubbles now if she came back bad.

I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

@Lorab - I do think there is some truth, even putting gender aside, that SVS and juliets probably would have targetted each other by now.

I tried, earlier, going down the list and thinking 'would anyone here NOT target me day one?' But, honestly, I think everyone active and remaining, there are none of them that I could rule out on the idea that they wouldn't target me first. Anyone could have.

I think Dom and DH are the best choices for a lynch today. I really think Dom is bad, in some way shape or form, and he would be my preferred choice for a lynch.