The Syndicate

INH did not talk on day 3 and has no yet talked on day 4.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:00 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:56 pm Tinfail: Why is Fractal not dead yet?

Answer A: He's scum.
Answer B: He's not as big a threat as Luna.
Answer C: Someone on the mafia team REALLY likes to let the new folks play it out.

We can ask the same question of you, too. It could be that the scumteam is slightly outfoxing itself trying to avoid the doc, but this will always be a compelling point against any supertown player.

It's true. We're in the same boat.

I'd like to think that Fractal and I are the doc targets (if the doc is still alive), and mafia doesn't want to mess with that alternating bit.

I see no reason this wouldn’t apply to Luna if that’s the logic.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:59 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:51 pm BTW, I thank the mafia for disproving my Lunalee tinfoil theory immediately, because I was fully prepared to take that to its logical dangerous conclusion if someone enabled me to. But I have to avenge Luna’s death now, you cowards.

Point in Colin's favor. Is he WIFOM enough to build a case and ready the train if Luna was going to die? Natch.

What's your answer?

It's something I would do.

Colin? Apparently he would.

Lol I was going to say it’s something I would do too.

I don’t see it as bad either though. Perhaps neutral. Interesting that colin saw the need to ‘get out in front’.

If Colin is bad his baddie game is reminding me more and more of my own.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:51 pm BTW, I thank the mafia for disproving my Lunalee tinfoil theory immediately, because I was fully prepared to take that to its logical dangerous conclusion if someone enabled me to. But I have to avenge Luna’s death now, you cowards.

Point in Colin's favor. Is he WIFOM enough to build a case and ready the train if Luna was going to die? Natch.

What's your answer?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:07 pm And I am LOVING whatever this thing is.

Me too.

I'm assuming it's the computer's doing.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:43 pm Cue the news it may give us the blues. But if we must choose to cruise or follow the news we must put on our shoes and not snooze. Instead we should follow this news and see what it spews. Or else the mafia may abuse us as we misuse our time like cockatoos. Lets not overuse or disabuse our avenues and read yahoo news, but instead pursue some revenues. Therefore we must NAUGHTY

You are better, your rapping skills are unfettered, you're a true man of letters. Smooth as a sweater or a brown Irish setter. You're a lucky go-getter. Anyway what are your NAUGHTY.

This is some good freestyle right there.

I wish sig and nut were vocaroo posting this.

I feel better about Kyle now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:26 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:12 pm First and foremost - upon review, the Vompatti wagon looks fine to me. Speed and Fractal I am both reading as town, and Colin would obviously save himself. Scotty is the only one who comes out of it looking particularly bad.

Does Scotty look bad if Colin is town?

Explain Scotty motive assuming Colin town.

It just appears insincere to me. I don’t perceive any grand motive but imo a late switch gives the impression of uncertainty which is a town tell.

It’s more of a ping than a case. Much more likely to be bad if colin is bad.

Welcome back Dom.

Sorry to see you go Luna.

I have thoughts.

First and foremost - upon review, the Vompatti wagon looks fine to me. Speed and Fractal I am both reading as town, and Colin would obviously save himself. Scotty is the only one who comes out of it looking particularly bad.

Second of all, I haven't yet read Colin's isos in depth but I intend to - primarily because I believe this is how I will come to a firm view on whether or not he is good or bad. Why I voted for him yesterday was not nutella's case, but Colin's response to nutella's case (it didn't deserve the dismissal and Colin's approach was essentially a 'no u').

I am of the view that Colin will be a hard worker when bad, although in Ancient Greece he never got there, but I think that was more a case of circumstance and feeling his way out on the site. So, the mere fact of Colin doing the work doesn't move me, it depends on the content.

I do, however, want to highlight that quiet marmot is bad marmot. I really don't like how quiet marmot has been. Dune and this years GoC spring to mind as examples, but I feel like there are others. I don't recall an example of town Marmot being this quiet. Does anyone have any counterexamples?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:09 pm AAAGH PLEASE MAKE IT GO AWAYYYY

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO TAUNT US SOOOOOOO

AAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:21 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:39 pm Luna I want to believe you, but I also want to believe that I am fucking brilliant and capable of cracking a game open like this *fingersnap*

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:48 pm What I'm saying is, I'm kind of like the Peyton Manning of playing Mafia.

I know you think you're brilliant Colin, but calm down buddy.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:58 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:52 pm Wow, go in to church and vomps was lynched? How? I don’t like that.

What don’t you like about it?

I don’t know precisely yet, I haven’t read anything. It was just a shock. Sig had provided some suspicion, I didn’t see vomps as a likely candidate for motivation to kill juliets. It’s low hanging fruit.

Who do you see as a candidate to want to lynch Juliets? Like actually tho.

That kill was random af

I haven’t undertaken nk analysis in years, because I rarely find it works out. This is not a situation that needs an alternate theory.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:58 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:52 pm Wow, go in to church and vomps was lynched? How? I don’t like that.

What don’t you like about it?

I don’t know precisely yet, I haven’t read anything. It was just a shock. Sig had provided some suspicion, I didn’t see vomps as a likely candidate for motivation to kill juliets. It’s low hanging fruit.

Wow, go in to church and vomps was lynched? How? I don’t like that.

Still didn’t get done as much as I wanted.

Voted colin. I like the case and I don’t like the way he presented it as Nutella trying to save herself instead of a reasonable interactive analysis, which it was.

Where is marmot even?

Major ping.

In my experience extremely quiet marmot is bad marmot.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:35 pm I took that nap, but am back. And yeah i thought so .

Civilians' wincons start out Dead-or-Alive, but change to survival mode if and once all the Protagonists and their potential substitutes are dead.
Potential additional wincons.

The above suggests if protagonist all die we to to lms righr?

I just thought it meant ‘alive to win’ not ‘lms’ but if you’re right that’s terrifying and not what I expected to be here for.

My gth bad reads without having any kind of case, are Kyle and inh. In kyles case possibly Ramses.

Sig, did I miss something - can this game actually go LMS?

Looks like I have some bits and pieces of time in the next hour, so I’m reading everything I can.

First thought - I really don’t like the nutellacounterwagon right now. Colin says it looks like she’s trying to avoid being lynched next, but I thought it looked like she was looking into LC interactions which makes perfect sense to me. Eye on colin and ninja.

Second thought - fractals ‘let’s think about both possible worlds’ is an approach I haven’t seen before, and I like it. I think it demonstrates a town mindset. His view isn’t coloured by meta reads, and I think his analysis comes across as genuine in that context.

I don't love doing this, but I'm probably not going to vote today.

I spent a good chunk of today in hospital with my dad, and tomorrow morning will be heading back. He's fine and going to be fine, but it's just not conducive to catching up to the thread and being informed. I hate that this just happened to happen right when I joined, it's one of those things. I'm absolutely certain I have some catch up time tomorrow night and I'll get my head in the game properly then.

I do like nut's case on Colin on the face of it, but my own instinct on Colin was town; I don't feel comfortable flipping on a dime without doing my own research, but if I have any time at all my first step would be reading Colin's iso to see if that holds as much as it appears on the surface.

Other interactive isos would be interesting. I think there's probably more to that than to an analysis of the juliets kill. Would a team really kill to save vomps from her eye? I'm not sure that I would - vompatti is the kind of player that is liable to be lynched more when people have no better idea than due to any particular case. It's possible, but it seems to me looking for people who were trying to save LC is the better bet.

What are the nuggets you found?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:35 pm I think all of sig’s posts are icky, in every game, ever.

This is sig's curse. Sorting out the bad from the good is a hard task.

Yeah, I shouldn't get any credit for that. It's something I would do as bad. Although in this case, I had plenty of opportunity to just not read nutella's iso in time and not bus as a function of 'having to catch up'. I generally bus where I feel it would be the unavoidably 'civ golden' thing to do, and you'll tend to find it's characterised by me actually having a baddie read on the person I lynch to maximise potential credit.

But, I don't expect any credit for that move, genuinely, and actually agree I shouldn't be given much. That goes beyond just me - people are too fast at giving credit for 'votes that matter', they are maximum impact when bad.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:35 pm get ready for an extremely luke-warm take:

Spoiler: show

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:57 pm my gut tells me nutella's bad. I'm voting there. I'm not opposed to an lc lynch if that's what happens.

im about to pass out jesus how strong is benedryl

Why?

Now I feel like I was the deciding vote and that is shit.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:59 pm nutella say something to reassure me.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:00 pmAAAAAAAAH

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:01 pm No, I'm happy where I am. That's where I'm staying.

my vote put the votes back in a place where if mafia-golden wanted to he could have easily un-bussed long con. mafia-golden making the posts listed above does nothing but outwardly telegraph the indecision presented to him where he would have been given a chance to save his teammate.

if golden is mafia then this would have been an extremely sloppy move. and that's not something I'd characterize golden as being a guy who does.

also despite not wanting to be the deciding vote between nutella and long con he pretty much already was. if id passed out from benedryl, his breaking the tie by moving from nut to con effectively prevented the 50% chance that nut would be lynched instead.

i think golden looks good coming out of this unless nutella is mafia too, in which case golden actually only looks pretty okay-ish.

That indecision came directly from my suspicion of you and choice to vote nutella at that moment, and the fact I didn't gut trust you.

There was a little piece of me that wondered if you were putting your vote on a teammate at the last minute where you could hide but also look good later. It's like a 'low-risk risk' that could have made you look better than you were.

But I trusted my own nutella gut more. and LC was bad so... I haven't decided how I feel about your vote yet.

Like, no offense, but the hot tub of trust sounds like something a predator would do. "Here, random strangers, get in my hot tub with me!"

Plus, you don't even see inh's face. It's got bandages on it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:14 pm Way to make me work for a reveal.

I'm not that great at matching up colour to black and white it turns out.

Well done peoples. Well done Luna in particular.

Thank you Golden

I don't think I've seen you drive an entire lynch phase before.

It's such a satisfying thing to do AND get right. Bask in it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 pm Golden, I give you credit since you broke the tie, so unless Nutella is scum with a better role I don't see why you'd have voted for lc.

this is a small detail but when golden voted it wasn't a tie, but he did put LC at +2 from nutella, before my vote changed that to +1

When I voted for LC I took it from 6-6 to 7-5, so I did technically break the tie, although that had nothing to do with the reason I changed my vote.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:18 pm Scuba-diving off the coast of the Maldives Islands, and I felt something heavy brush my leg. I turned to look, and I saw a weird pale green circle, bright in the light from my headlamp. I thought it was some kind of jellyfish, but my blood ran cold when I realized it was the eye of a huge squid. When I got my breath back, I swam up as quickly as possible, looking down once to see a swirling mass of tentacles where I had just been.

Hello game.

First post of LC.......Just sayin.

Are you saying he was one of those who was late and delayed as per your theory?

Or in LC's case, not really looked actively town, but just there was no reason there why I voted him other than to not vote nutella.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:31 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:17 pm So we have this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:38 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:36 pm And im trying to feel like Epi and use complex things that make little sense to solve shush and let me have this moment. ;(

Maybe you should see if you an find a single instance of Epi catching baddies like that before you go whole hog on it.

I currently townread sig, but is LC the type to go after teammates like this?

Bet im right and that's why he went after me.

I'd say nutella is looking good so are the earlier voters on lc, whoever tied it, and golden. Ill need to reread vote but I'll bet we'll find mafia among the nutella voters

Don't give any credit to me. My vote was luck, I thought both looked town.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:34 pm Ho ho ho:

If you're giving out gifts I'll take one.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:18 pm Lmao, that’s literally all I can get from his ISO. Game’s solved folks

No kidding, right? I just iso'd him before and it's genuinely nothing at all.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:17 pm So we have this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:38 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:36 pm And im trying to feel like Epi and use complex things that make little sense to solve shush and let me have this moment. ;(

Maybe you should see if you an find a single instance of Epi catching baddies like that before you go whole hog on it.

I currently townread sig, but is LC the type to go after teammates like this?

I don't think it's alignment-indicative. I could see him distancing on something that doesn't matter, or trying to shoot something down that's genuine. Actually it might be a thread worth tugging, to see if sig was on to something. But it wouldn't meaningfully move me on sig's alignment unless it looked like he was right and LC was defending someone.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:13 pm I'm a failure.

Sure, but why this time specifically?

Way to make me work for a reveal.

I'm not that great at matching up colour to black and white it turns out.

Well done peoples. Well done Luna in particular.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:01 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:59 pm nutella say something to reassure me.

You made the right choice. I don't know if that necessarily makes you town, but I am town. I don't know about LC. I hope he's bad and it's not just like yesterday. Also I think Kyle's vote looks genuine and townish.

I hope so.

If you are town I made the right choice even if LC is. So you better be.

No, I'm happy where I am. That's where I'm staying.

AAAAAAAAH

nutella say something to reassure me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:57 pm my gut tells me nutella's bad. I'm voting there. I'm not opposed to an lc lynch if that's what happens.

im about to pass out jesus how strong is benedryl

Why?

Now I feel like I was the deciding vote and that is shit.

If I fucked this up, and nutella is bad, I'm sorry. I did my best in the circumstances.

I shifted to [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for now.

But it's not because I get any bad sense from him. It's just that out of these two wagons on people, neither of whom I particularly read as bad, I'd rather keep the one who seems to be trying. No offense LC, I know it's probably just that you're busy.

But... I'd definitely consider a vote somewhere else if it's on.

I speed read nutella's iso, it wasn't truly thorough.

But I like it. I don't think the magic carpet bag thing is a sign of her being bad, she'd do that as town. Some of her pleas sound really 'nutella on town meta' to me.

For clairty - I still like the effort luna put in on these cases. I just don't love the options.

Based on what I've seen so far, my preference is a kyle vote. But I doubt I could shake things up this late.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:33 pm who ru going to vote for, MacDougall?

I'm not going to vote for MacDougall.

I'll make my vote count even if it's not greatly informed.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:33 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:32 pm I isoed LC first because it was the quick one. Will get to nutella as soon as I can. I do also have to get actual work done.

28 minutes jsyk

Fucking hell

I remember why I hardly ever sign up for speed games now.

Also Luna described LC as 'lazy and not very helpful'.

Having no reads at all certainly matches that description. But I'd add 'odd'. It's so lazy and unhelpful that it's obviously so.

I'm pretty good at reading LC on the whole (I did mess up in Ancient Greece), but it takes me a few days. For now I would expect him to be giving the appearance of trying if bad (but would also usually be actually trying if town). I'm wondering if this is a genuinely 'really busty' situation.