The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It'd certainly be neat to play with you some time, FZ.

If you were to rezz one person, would it be FZ, sloonei or scotty? Or someone else entirely?

Perhaps the singer could sing about how everyone wants a rezz.

I always hang around because I never know if there might be a chance of a rezz lol - and I always want one.

Well, maybe you should hang around until after the night post? You never know.

FZ. wrote:It's been a while since I said: Rezz please. I'm bummed I was NK before JJJ came into the game. Never played with him before, but I love his style I'm allowed to say that, right?

Hi FZ! I didn't know you were even checking in.

Independents can be many things here, JJ.

The main three I can think of:

Simply survive, win with any faction
Serial killer/last man standing
Alternate win conditions, generally compatible with a win with any faction

For example, in harry stephen keeler the independents were a team who just had to have at least one alive and hold certain items when the game ended. In Biblical, each independent simply had to satisfy their own win condition, and they could win alive or dead. In economics, the indy was a serial killer.

In this game, I have a feeling the independents are more likely to be the first or third, because we have seen no evidence that they are the second, and I'd expect we would have by day 10.

That doesn't mean they are actively helpful to the civ side necessarily. A general ambivalence might indicate a survival win con, for example, because it may be someone who is more focussed on giving no-one any reason to night kill or lynch them than on actively helping the civilians. But it also doesn't mean they are a threat.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Why exactly did you lose faith in the notion of DFaraday as mafia, for example? You seemed to like my case initially.

Well, I liked the possibility he was on webber initially, but my read back on him, the approach he took to sig and TGG suggests to me he is not on team webber.

I never truly bought that he was on wildhorn, but I guess it isn't out of the question. But I don't think he is on team webber.

JJ - what I will say is this - I recognise that the rest of the thread is pretty much dead, but you keep coming back to questioning my vote pattern, but you really have never particularly acknowledged the relative reasonableness of my responses. Beyond that, you say it's about the fact there have been three civvie votes and you've even posted about who was in how many of those vote chains, but your focus has, from my perspective, undoubtebly focussed on me more than it has on others, without you ever having provided a particular justification for why.

So perhaps another question for you - why have you been more focussed on my record than on MMs, for example, over the last two day phases?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:JJ, what do you mean about hedge's vote creating that tally on day one? I do not think it is possible for that to be correct, and the only way I can see you thinking that is if you ignore that votes were changeable in that poll.

When hedge voted LC, my vote was already on SVS. I moved it to hedge after hedge voted to avoid a tie. There was a lot of stuff going down on day one with the shifting changeable votes, and to use the day one vote poll as a weapon for why hedge wasn't on team 2 would have been foolhardy, I ignored that part of your case because I knew it to be incorrect.
I looked at Dom's archive thread for the tallies and came up with that result.

As long as the (number) next to each player's vote represents their spot in the order for their LAST vote, I think my tally for Hedge should be correct. If the number instead only represents the time of their first vote, then it's a different matter.

Can anyone tell me how that typically works in these polls?

It reflects their final vote. I voted at least twice after hedge voted, therefore at minimum it does not accurately reflect the fact my vote was on SVS at the time hedge voted for LC.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:JJ, here is what I think.

I think if Bass didn't die, ninja did, and ninja is civ.
That could be. This isn't a 100% factual thing without a flip, but it could be.

I personally believe it is a 100% factual thing.

JJ, what do you mean about hedge's vote creating that tally on day one? I do not think it is possible for that to be correct, and the only way I can see you thinking that is if you ignore that votes were changeable in that poll.

When hedge voted LC, my vote was already on SVS. I moved it to hedge after hedge voted to avoid a tie. There was a lot of stuff going down on day one with the shifting changeable votes, and to use the day one vote poll as a weapon for why hedge wasn't on team 2 would have been foolhardy, I ignored that part of your case because I knew it to be incorrect.

I do acknowledge it. The game has stuttered. But JJ knows very well that I am not the kind of player to decide to stop having opinions when the game has stuttered. I cased basically my entire suspect list during that day period and that included my own read back of hedgeowl, and I voted for the one whose post history I found most suspicious.

What I don't like right now is that JJ's accusations, his approach to trying to figure out who is bad right now, is obviously going to catch the vocal people. How could it not, really? People like you and me are naturally likely to end up being lynch 'leaders' when the thread is so dead, no matter what our affiliation is. And I think JJJ knows this well.

That's part of why I am saying I have no regrets voting hedge. I've been bothered by the general lack of players in this game for a long time. I'd been holding out for a set of modkills or something. And I think your analysis of the night kill was really good in pointing to potential absentees being on wildhorn.

We had 15 people left, of those, 4 are not actually playing.

For me, lynching one of those 4 when I think there is a decent case to do so is increasing town odds. The mafia might kill each other, but they certainly won't be killing the non-players.

I'm not at all uncomfortable with my choice of vote and I won't apologise for it. Especially not when, as I say, we do not know she isn't jekyll.

Here are some other questions you can answer JJ

Why did you vote nutella when you first turned up but don't seem to have her in the equation any more?
Why do you instantly presume hedgeowl is not Jekyll?

Why are you thinking we are even vaguely within the zone of talking about whether there is time to right this ship? Why are you presuming in coming to this view that independents are anti-town when we have seen no evidence of it?

Why would you have a problem taking out an absentee based on a pretty good case? What is your issue with hedgeowl being on wildhorn? What is it about MM's case you disagree with so vehemently that you think that was not a good vote? Who do you think civilian golden ought to have voted for?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you're not sure where to start looking when it comes to an anti-town theory for Golden, here's the obvious one: he either spearheaded or helped motivate three consecutive town lynches on Days 8, 9, and 10.

JJ, here is what I think.

I think if Bass didn't die, ninja did, and ninja is civ.

I think if hedge didn't die, probably DF did, and when I read DF back I don't agree with the case.

And I REALLY think I'm beginning to become suspicious of you for calling people anti-town just because they are involved in lynching civvies when there is literally no evidence that you have been voting for or casing people who are actually mafia either.

I personally think there is literally no case to be made that I am bad. I already responded to this last time. I also think if you read my post history carefully and thoroughly, someone as sharp as you can even figure out why...

So, put up or shut up. I don't want to hear you throw vague accusations around about me again until you have ISO'd and cased me, because you have now done it several days in a row...

Yesterday you got a, meh, can't expect JJ to have caught everything up, I can see why he isn't so ok with my last two days.

Today you get a full blown "I am now officially suspicious of you".

I voted hedge. Was intending to hold out longer, but I need to get some sleep.

Golden wrote:Damnit, I just lost a big post I did on splints.

It amounted to - not on team webber, posts could suggest she is on team wildhorn (Cobalt more suspicious than LC, G-Man more suspicious than LC), she would have had to have thrown BR under the bus, but the wording of her posts around that are soft and sound to me like the kind of things splints might say if she had BR's permission to vote her out. BR knew she was going down anyway.

However, I didn't find the evidence overwhelming - convincing enough that it is possible. Less convincing than the hedgeowl case.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:OK, I've read nutella back.

I don't think she is on team wildhorn, but she isn't a bad candidate for being on team webber.

She really reads civilian to me. When I read her posts, the vibe I get is that of a civ. She even posted a rainbow.

But the most sincere of her scum hunting does feel like it was people who were not on team one (eg LC). She equivocated a lot around the sig lynch, a lot of 'he is on my suspicious list, I might vote for him'. Her posts around G-Man similarly seemed less about being convinced he was bad and more about how annoying his posts were.

It's a very low suspicion for me - her posts really read civ to me, but having gone back through I can't really make a strong case for why she couldn't be on team webber.
What would be worth looking at (and I plan to do it to), I remember some folks speculating whether Sloonei was a corrupted Wildhorn. Whoever introduced that to the thread or latched onto it would be worth looking at. I feel like that came around the time of the sig lynch, and thus, right around the night Sloonei survived the nightkill from sig's team.

I feel it was FZ - I could be wrong, but I was quite suspicious of FZ for having this perspective. I'm not sure if there is any baddie she could legitimately be at this point, though.

Definitely worth checking out.

OK, I've read nutella back.

I don't think she is on team wildhorn, but she isn't a bad candidate for being on team webber.

She really reads civilian to me. When I read her posts, the vibe I get is that of a civ. She even posted a rainbow.

But the most sincere of her scum hunting does feel like it was people who were not on team one (eg LC). She equivocated a lot around the sig lynch, a lot of 'he is on my suspicious list, I might vote for him'. Her posts around G-Man similarly seemed less about being convinced he was bad and more about how annoying his posts were.

It's a very low suspicion for me - her posts really read civ to me, but having gone back through I can't really make a strong case for why she couldn't be on team webber.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?
It's worth asking I guess. Actually, since claiming role abilities is legal in this game (whether you lie or not), maybe that is allowed as well?

Dom, are players permitted to reveal when they are targetted by a power and what the power did?

At least silencing is pretty evident. Jekyll & Hyde's power not so much.

It can be reasonably evident, depending on how it is played. I think it was evident when I was targetted.

And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,
What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.
That would probably be looked at as info-dumping, so we can only observe and guess.

Well, I don't mean outright.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,
What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

I thought it might have been epi when he voted for devin, but he has essentially denied that to be the case.

SVS pursuit of ninja might fall into this category, though. But, it depends how much each individual really wants to pursue it day after day. I, for one, did not want to push someone I didn't think was bad day after day, so I didn't. If it means I have +1 votes against me each day, so be it.
So shouldn't you be needing someone's vote to save you?

If everyone else only got one vote in a day, then sure? We aren't talking about Simon the Zealot, here.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Not to discredit DF too much, but TGG left on weird terms, and may even had suggested to his teammates to throw him under the bus.

TGG very delicately made his quit about his internet issues...

He created sufficient cover that he would not have ordinarily have taken heat for it...

The fact he left on 'weird terms' only became apparent later because of things he said in other places, so I don't think it was ever his intent that his teammates bussed him.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

I thought it might have been epi when he voted for devin, but he has essentially denied that to be the case.

SVS pursuit of ninja might fall into this category, though. But, it depends how much each individual really wants to pursue it day after day. I, for one, did not want to push someone I didn't think was bad day after day, so I didn't. If it means I have +1 votes against me each day, so be it.

I just read DF back, and I no longer think he could be on team webber. He was one of the first people to agree with my case on TGG, and was pretty consistent about it. Even before G-Man subbed in.

I also do not think he could be on team wildhorn with either FS or hedge, because those happen to have been two of his more consistent suspects. His voting for BR looks good too. I think he could be on team wildhorn, but I'd have him below splints and hedge on my radar, and I'm trying to figure out who is on team webber! Where are Webber and the Phantom hiding?

Damnit, I just lost a big post I did on splints.

It amounted to - not on team webber, posts could suggest she is on team wildhorn (Cobalt more suspicious than LC, G-Man more suspicious than LC), she would have had to have thrown BR under the bus, but the wording of her posts around that are soft and sound to me like the kind of things splints might say if she had BR's permission to vote her out. BR knew she was going down anyway.

However, I didn't find the evidence overwhelming - convincing enough that it is possible. Less convincing than the hedgeowl case.

It's worth noting JJ voted for DF, possibly to let us know he was silenced (in case it wouldn't have been otherwise quite obvious).

I am very much liking the cases MM and Epi have brought on hedgeowl.

If I understand MM correctly, hedge could not be jekyll? Because jekyll is active?

In which case, it should also be possible to test if hedge is B & C by way of checking when she left and not been back since. (I tend to think the unknown force could be Mr Hyde? So I'm not assuming wildhorn missed a kill - but I could well be wrong about that, I understand why 'unknown force' might sound more like a civilian ninja or independent role).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.
What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

Are you suggesting that you do not believe bubbles is jekyll? I've been trying to figure this one out for ages.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) attempts to nightkill Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) attempts to nightkill Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bass survives a kill from Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn)?
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - Scotty is nightkilled by an unknown force. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.

Having potentially missed two nightkills, Team Wildhorn looks like a couple of inactives. Their last kill came when Black Rock was still alive.

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

This is actually really interesting. Could Bass have let team Wildhorn make up for the missed kill on night 4 by attempting a kill on night 5? Could the 'unknown force' be Jekyll and Hyde? It will be interesting to see how that develops. If the unknown force isn't team wildhorn, it might point to Bubbles being jekyll (anyone been able to disprove that yet? It should be very easy to do...) and someone like Neverwhere or Hedgeowl who was active for a good chunk of the game being B & C.

Spacedaisy wrote:That sounds like civ Golden to me.

So who would you say I should be looking at in your opinion Golden?

At this point, I feel like I have much more civ vibe than baddie vibes.

I think that is primarily because I've had to work hard and have basically spent my time keeping up with the thread and not reading back.

As things stand right now, DF is most likely to get my vote.

But if I get time before voting deadline, I really want to read back on some others who have taken heat - nutella, fingersplints, DF as well actually, probably some others. Especially what they had to say in the first 2-3 days of the game, before we started catching a whole lot of baddies.

If I have to vote defensively to keep ninja alive, I'm likely to do so.

S~V~S wrote:Welcome Daisy
Bye Scotty~ I am surprised that both teams wanted you dead so badly.
All of those trivia questions are really hard.

I am voting for Ninja now. How she flips (and I will be surprised if she flips anything other than bad) will tell me how I feel about Faraday amongst others. Doinf otherwise would be putting the cart before the horse. Scottys death has led me to do some rethinking about a few people that I had pretty firmly in my mental "civvie file", but I want to reread a bit before I say much about any of that.

I will be incredibly surprised if Ninja flips anything but good. I think there is some really clear evidence about what role she is.

I think voting for her is a really really bad idea.

Dom wrote:A CHANDELIER FALLS ON SCOTTY'S HEAD

The Phantom killed scotty

I just realised.

DFaraday wrote:
Scotty wrote:That feel when you know all the answers but you can't do anything about it
You knew ALL of them? And I thought I was a musical theater geek...

Also, RIP Scotty. I was feeling very civ about you.

It's pretty hard not to feel very civ about scotty when he survives a NK from one baddie team and then is immediately killed by the other.

It probably rules out a merge to this point, though, given I dare say double targetting isn't allowed.

Spacedaisy wrote:I've been thing about going with this look for the wedding, what do you think?

Only if Alex dresses up like a marmot.

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh... He didn't announce it? I got my role already. I'm replacing Dreamy,

You are on the poll, so there is that!

Spacedaisy wrote:I am playing! There is no way I will catch up on all those posts so I am just going from here. But I need sleep right now. I'll be back tomorrow you lovely people!

Really? Who did you replace?

Scotty wrote:That feel when you know all the answers but you can't do anything about it

Well, if you'd just stop dying...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think I will be able to answer any of these questions without the help of Google.

I wasn't either. But even google has failed me on some.

I have been finding this freakishly difficult and am just about ready to give in, if my last guess isn't correct.

I did, however, discover that "A little night music" may in fact be the role that people got on night 2, which mentions "3/4" a lot, as it appears to be written mostly in waltzes.

Ah, so THATS who the singer is.

I didn't think it was scotty

Hedgeowl wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Long Con. That's where my Day 1 vote will be going as of right now.
Why? If you posted it already can you post a link.
It's Day 0. Long Con has six posts. I'm not posting a link for you. Read his posts and draw your own conclusion. Then tell me if you find anything suspicious.

If you don't, then I'll gladly share what I found.
Ok I read the six post, but I would still like to know what you find suspicious.
Is it because there are only six post, 3 of which are fluff posts?
Is it the MP/Epi shoving match post?
As promised:

Long Con wrote:This all got very interesting.
No it didn't. It's all Day 0 dicking around. Nothing has gotten interesting at all. "Interesting" is a stupid word. Stop using it Mafia.

Long Con wrote:I see MP07 is going full-swing with the Question-Hammer, good to see! Gets people talking.
According to LC, MP is getting people talking, and it's "good to see." Hold that in mind.

Long Con wrote:I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.
If you "don't know what to think" about something, why in hell bring it up? Does anybody care that you don't know what to think about something? Why not keep quiet until you do know what you think?

And why characterize my exchange with MP as a "shoving match?" That can't be genuine. In this same post, LC said MP was "swinging the question hammer," which is "good to see." Now he's not sure what to think about the Epi/MP "shoving match?"

This doesn't smell right to me.

I'm voting Long Con, except I can't because Hedgeowl hasn't voted 18 yet.

(Voted 18 cause, well I was late to the party, but still reading....)

i tend to agree about voting newbies on the first day, but good points about not all the players being new to mafia. Honestly my Day 1 reads are never going to be that sure that know I have to vote the new guy. However, I do tend to be wary of bandwagon votes for seemingly no good reason.

That is Hedge's post that I was responding to, I wouldn't have thought it was so hard to make the link? I was wondering if she was particularly protecting LC or SVS at that time.

She wasn't, I don't think.

I'd forgotten at this point that I had early suspicion of hedge.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:What gives you the belief you can demand anything of anyone?
Because he will make 200 posts tomorrow if Golden doesn't acquiesce.

Is that a reduction from his usual output? Like, he will ONLY make 200?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There are a couple points I want to make about Golden regarding his involvement in the last two lynches. We all know Golden is a very capable town player, and in my experience playing with him he typically seems to mount some kind of significant case against a player before or during the pursuit of that player's lynch. So, given that he was a part of two consecutive town lynches here, we have to critically assess his role in them.

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Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:The biggest reason I have for bass being bad?

Team 2 tried to get him lynched (eg BR) and when it hadn't succeeded they tried to NK him. I think they might have known something.
i get the feeling Bass is a pretty easy target on a consistent basis, primarily because of the silly-reasons-for-lynches he leaves everyone with. disengagement, maybe laziness, lack of substantive self-defense. Team 2 tried to lynch him perhaps, but i would assert that numerous players alive and dead have been trying to lynch him in some capacity for a while now.
They tried to lynch him... and then tried to NK him...

Why the persistence?

I'm not saying it's overly persuasive, but even at the time it struck me as oddly persistent.
Golden said the "biggest reason" he had for suspecting Bass was this bit about Mafia 2 making an effort both to lynch him and then to night kill him, suggesting this meant they knew something. This is a vague notion which demands expansion by Golden ASAP, within the intended spirit of the rules. The underlined bit is a little confusing to me as well. Golden: why did this strike you as "oddly persistent" at the time, as this would suggest you were aware he was being pursued by Mafia 2 during the lynch attempt at the time. How could you have known that?

Moreover, I'm looking back and not seeing obvious evidence of any attempt to lynch Bass by non-townies before he was actually lynched. The only phases in which he received votes by players other than himself were Day 2 (Black Rock and fingersplints, exact alignments still unknown) and Day 7 (Cobalt and JJJ). This excludes the phase in which he was actually lynched. So, Golden, could you please show me exactly what you're referring to when you talk about this attempt by Mafia 2 to lynch Bass?

It's crucially important as it's a critical component of the "case" you proposed against Bass.

Because I suspected BR was on mafia team 2 for many days before she was actually lynched. Basically ever since LC was lynched. I was keeping a theory of the game in mind. The BR bit had proven correct (although I had kinda suspected she was Bonnie and Clyde).

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Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:is there significant evidence against Cobalt, or has he drawn the ire of players primarily because of his abrasive style?
My evidence is this - apologies for it being slightly long winded.

TGG quit the game after epi subbed in for MP. After some time, some thinking, and some reading of posts by TGG in other places, I came to the view that the reason TGG quit was not entirely because of internet issues (as he claimed in the thread). Rather, I thought that at least part of the reason for his quit was because he was in the team that killed epi, and was upset that he had been allowed to sub back in.

This led me to suggest G-Man (TGG's replacement) was on team 1, which when he was lynched proved to be correct.

Epi's first two posts after subbing back in, and just before TGG quit, were to say 'I know who killed me' and 'my suspicions haven't changed'. This led me to believe that epi was killed because he was on to one of mafia team 1 on day one, and TGG was specifically upset because they had killed him to get rid of a threat.

So then the question becomes, who was TGG's teammate that they killed epi to protect? SVS was indy, LC on team 2. If you were to reread epi's posts from day one, something I do suggest you do, I'd be interested to know if you come up with cobalt as I have.
This was Golden's case for Cobalt being mafia, eventually leading to Golden starting the bandwagon that became a lynch. The main issue I have with this is that Golden is voicing suspicion of Cobalt without actually referencing anything Cobalt himself did. He is throwing shade on Cobalt because of a theory he has constructed on the behavior of Epignosis 1.0/2.0 and TGG -- one that demands we assume Mafia 1 was specifically interested in protecting their own when they killed Epignosis 1.0. DFaraday proposed earlier that he thought the kill might have been intended to frame Long Con (something Mafia 1 was fully capable of doing to a Mafia 2 player). Moreover, Epignosis is just a threatening presence either way because of his style, and it seems to get him killed early in games regardless of who he suspects.

So this doesn't strike me as the most Golden-caliber case, especially since Cobalt had a large post history which should have somehow been incorporated into this. I question the sincerity and think there's potential for opportunism in both of these Golden votes for Cobalt and Bass during their respective lynches.

This is entirely a Golden-calibre case. It's right in my wheelhouse. It's evidence-based.

Cobalt did mearly nothing in the thread I found suspicious. I'd even said that. I disagreed with cases made based on his thread conduct.

But my primary focus in finding baddies is trying to figure out motivations. I believe I figured out a significant part of the motivation for TGG's quit - that epi was asked to sub back in. I still believe I did. I just was apparently wrong about the bit where they killed epi to protect one of their own teammates, but I think that was a reasonable extension of the view. As I say, my primary reason for finding people is that I don't buy their stated motivations, I think there is a hidden agenda. Take sanmateo in RYM87 - I called him out because I did not believe his defence of vanilla claims was coming from an entirely sincere place, as though he knew more than he should have. In fact, he knew Brian was vanilla, so he knew I couldn't have any info saying there were no vanilla, which I had implied. I think what I was seeing with sanmateo in that case was this fact - that he wasn't looking in to it with a mindset that was that of a civilian with no knowledge. This is exactly the same as why I went after TGG and Cobalt.

If you read back on my posts as a whole, you would see I'd described in other times in much more depth than I did on the day he was actually lynched. You'd also see there was one place where Cobalt did something that fed into my view - and that was his response when I asked him why HE thought TGG had quit.

In any event, though, I'd ask you to figure out my conduct in this game if I am bad. Why the spat with Long Con? Why Call out BR so early and so consistenly? Why be the first person to go after TGG and question whether his reasons for quitting were true, wouldn't I just back them up? There are legit reasons why you can feel very secure that I am not on either mafia team. I would not have simply bussed... I would have been the person who set out to get my teammates lynched.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden, I demand a response before the night phase is over.
To what, specifically?
This.

Somehow, I missed that post entirely in amongst reading the DF stuff.

Will read it now.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:Also, I'd like to know if you think bubbles could be jekyll or not? Do you personally think that is possible?
I thought TB was bad, so yeah. But I don't have any evidence beyond that to say so. Seemers gonna seem.

That's interesting. I suspected that possibly you did have evidence.

I have evidence Jekyll was alive on night 4.

I wouldn't be surprised if bubbles was Jekyll. If there is anyone with ANY evidence to the contrary, I'd like to know.

And if you are wondering what evidence to the contrary might look like - go look at the role card and read jekyll's role.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna look into Hedgeowl. So many creepy quiet players in this game.
She sorta disappeared after Day 6. Most of her game was her dealing with the anxiety of catching up every time she'd come in. I had her as genuinely flustered all the time, and light civ. Probably on the play level of Tiny Bubbles except she didn't keep affirming that she was civ like Tiny was wont to do
Hedgeowl went on a trip to wisconsin for ten days and warned us she would likely be without internet - although that could have only happened in the Guess Who thread.
And we lynched her anyway.

That was ninja's fault. I was quite happy to lynch timmer.

Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna look into Hedgeowl. So many creepy quiet players in this game.
She sorta disappeared after Day 6. Most of her game was her dealing with the anxiety of catching up every time she'd come in. I had her as genuinely flustered all the time, and light civ. Probably on the play level of Tiny Bubbles except she didn't keep affirming that she was civ like Tiny was wont to do

Hedgeowl went on a trip to wisconsin for ten days and warned us she would likely be without internet - although that could have only happened in the Guess Who thread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden, I demand a response before the night phase is over.

To what, specifically?

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