The Syndicate

Know why you're really bitching, epi?

Because you didn't agree, and wanted sig gone. It's as simple as that really. You don't like that sig survived another day.

It's not because the gleam votes weren't well reasoned.

So, epi, you are accusing me of arrogance for saying I'd eat a camel if sig is good on one breath...

And on the other criticising me for not sticking with voting for him?

These two things don't compute. Either I'm arrogant about my opinions, or I'm demonstrating proper rational thought and exercising reason.

You don't get it both ways.

My sig vote and my gleam vote were both reasoned. So was my Fuzz vote, for that matter. None of my votes haven't been well reasoned. Anyone who tries to portray it as anything less than reasoned and rational, I don't trust their agenda.

PS - this game has changeable votes. That means I can get on and off whenever I like. Fun, innit.

Well, epi, that's like, your opinion, man.

Indiglo went off and did an ISO on gleam, which I think DID find things he said, and it was this that made me feel suspicious of gleam in conjunction with votes. I have found gleam's own conduct in the thread since day one, and always felt he was a legitimate voting option for his behaviour and not just Fuzz's vote.

Epignosis wrote:I've made up my mind. As of now, it's DDL or sig for me tomorrow. You clowns go on and HURRRR CFD CFD tomorrow and I will vote the shit out of you too. Stop that shit. It's stupid. You get Mafia once every fifteen or twenty times doing it. You hit a civilian and it's "Aw, Barnacles" and when it actually happens, you pat yourselves on the back like you actually accomplished something. No more bullshit lynches.

I'm mostly talking to Golden here.

I'm mostly talking to you when I say I don't care what you think

But my vote tomorrow will almost certainly be sig or DDL too. Today it was almost certainly sig or gleam. If it had been sig yesterday it would have been gleam tomorrow. I don't really equate what happened at the end of that last day to what happened at the end of day 2 at all, they were completely different things. EoD4 was not a CFD.

I don't see indi's vote as suspect. Not sure why sloonei picked her. Indi's seems one of the more genuine shifts to me. Scotty.. I think of any he does warrant another look. I also think DDL is worth a strong look.

ika wrote:
Golden wrote:Ika, what does "There is a code us hosts have to live by and that is: we can't fix stupid or random decisions." mean?
I can explain that when I get home. I got an overnight shift

No problem. There's no rush.

Ika, what does "There is a code us hosts have to live by and that is: we can't fix stupid or random decisions." mean?

S~V~S wrote:WTF happened?

We cocked up.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I mean, I suppose I can't complain at y'all too much since gleam was on my list too, but I didn't expect CFDs to become so trendy.

CFD on marmot, anyone?

Quin wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Quin wrote:
Scotty wrote:What do we think would be an ideal role the undercover cop would choose? I mean, it wouldn't be the traitor, surely?
Someone with BTSC. Maybe a lover.
Why? The BTSC partner would point the possibility out immediately.
Mm. But if that partner wasn't the best looking civ they would likely be lynched.

And them being lynched would immediately make it clear the person wasn't a seemer... I would think the seemer would want to stay hidden.

Scotty wrote:What do we think would be an ideal role the undercover cop would choose? I mean, it wouldn't be the traitor, surely?

I wouldn't think so. Daisy Don would know if they hadn't voted for the person and call it out immediately.

That Other Thread vanished.

Soneji wrote:
Golden wrote:
Soneji wrote:I went with Golden yesterday because up until the point I had read he was the most suspicious, with DDL in second and Ika on a backburner after the Fuzz lynch. Mongoose is the most scummy from my current reading, with DDL looking less scummy than he did prior.
You've called me scummy in three posts, but you've never really explained why. Has your view on me changed, if so why?
It was based on me finding fault with your meta read on Diiny. Viewing your voting records and looking into your part on the Fuzz lynch has placed you on the backburner with Ika.

What fault did you find in my meta read on diiny? Did you note that by the end of that day (and it was day one) I was defending him and voted for Wilgy instead of him even though Diiny would have been the better vote to save myself? Have you been on a baddie team with Diiny in which you crafted a win together as I have?

I will say, however, I agree with Epi that we should not presume tomorrow must be a sig lynch. Despite the fact I've referred to it as inevitable myself.

sig wrote:So WAIT you shouldn't lynch me at ALL. I defended Gleam up until today as I did Fuzz. He gleam flipped civ, so my hardcore defense of him was right. I think we should look at Day 1 and 2 and the people who pushed his wagon then, I'd bet we would see a scum among them.

This isn't exactly convincing. It isn't hard for a baddie, when there is only one baddie team, to religiously defend a civilian.

RIP gleam

I don't feel too bad about that one. It does put EoD2 in its proper context... a lot of people abandoned a civ wagon for a baddie wagon, so it only makes those people look better imo.

I think that part is fair.

Silverwolf wrote:
Golden wrote:@silverwolf - that post is insanification, and its a punishment for self-voting. Those familiar with Long Con's insanifier know what it looks like you'll get used to it around here soon enough lol.
I have no idea what this insanifier is but I'd like to find out more sometime.

http://www.mikesteffler.com/InsanityGenerator.html

Yaeh, Fuzz's vote for ika, which put gleam and ika at 6 each. Not the vote against Fuzz.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Golden wrote:@silverwolf - that post is insanification, and its a punishment for self-voting. Those familiar with Long Con's insanifier know what it looks like you'll get used to it around here soon enough lol.
Wait, we have an insanifier?

Yes, but I really think LC should update it... it always brings up players from long ago, and I wish it would bring up some more modern players too!!

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Golden, I've read the thread, but I'm reading so many threads these days that I'm having trouble keeping things straight. Can you summarize why gleam is a cop?
The theory is thus:

Fuzz vote was to save Gleam. He had expressed suspicion of gleam but then voted ika to tie things up.
Can't keep his ides straigh, as per this post from indi. Although I agree with TH that the scotty bit is weak, the rest is still pretty indicative of someone who is all over the place, in terms of their reads and having consistent thoughts.

That's basically it, in terms of my vote. Well that and what I said about not really feeling like gleam is trying to find baddies, despite a reasonable number of posts. Reminds me of how I felt about Star Wars Zebra.

That doesn't make a shred of sense. Why would the cops vote out one of their own people to save another?

Fuzz voted ika... are you saying ika is cop?

Scotty wrote:Totally unrelated to the lychnabout to occur - but I just realized something..wouldn't it be in the Don's best interests to be as civ as possible? Because they can't be NK'd, only lynched by their family..

My perception of a few people is greatly influenced by this realization. It would make sense why the cop arrests probably failed, since they would probably want to kill the cockiest people. So what ika said yesterday may not be thinking in the wrong direction.

Indeed. I think ika's thinking is fair. I just don't know that I'd jump directly to sloonei. I think there are multiple candidates. I still think the underlying thought process makes sense. I agree the Don's are likely to play a strong town game, why not.

@silverwolf - that post is insanification, and its a punishment for self-voting. Those familiar with Long Con's insanifier know what it looks like

you'll get used to it around here soon enough lol.

Quin voting Draconus is likely 'repaying the debt' of his sig save, even if he can't say it is.

Soneji wrote:I went with Golden yesterday because up until the point I had read he was the most suspicious, with DDL in second and Ika on a backburner after the Fuzz lynch. Mongoose is the most scummy from my current reading, with DDL looking less scummy than he did prior.

You've called me scummy in three posts, but you've never really explained why. Has your view on me changed, if so why?

Epignosis wrote:Golden, I've read the thread, but I'm reading so many threads these days that I'm having trouble keeping things straight. Can you summarize why gleam is a cop?

The theory is thus:

Fuzz vote was to save Gleam. He had expressed suspicion of gleam but then voted ika to tie things up.
Can't keep his ides straigh, as per this post from indi. Although I agree with TH that the scotty bit is weak, the rest is still pretty indicative of someone who is all over the place, in terms of their reads and having consistent thoughts.

That's basically it, in terms of my vote. Well that and what I said about not really feeling like gleam is trying to find baddies, despite a reasonable number of posts. Reminds me of how I felt about Star Wars Zebra.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Golden wrote:Seriously, I'm not criticising or discrediting silverwolf in any way.

If silverwolf believes she made the case and SVS followed it, she is welcome to give that take.

I think silverwolf had a suspicion, and SVS then went and ISO'd Fuzz and made a case.

This is no more discrediting silverwolf as it is anyone else who is not named SVS for not being the one who made the case.
SIlverwolf pointed out Fuzz's suspicious post. You put him in the list of possible CFD lynches. SVS elaborated on the suspicion and explained the case. You posted again to say you were fine with lynching him. Sloonei started the wagon. You followed it.

That's what happened. It's a little more complicated than the version you're telling.

Btw DDL, I didn't specifically address this post from earlier although SVS response was entirely on point. But just saying it now to say it is another thing that to me doesn't make me feel good about you.

What is the end goal of this post? Do you actually disagree with any of the points I was making with the simplified version? Things like this make me think you are more interested in creating a perception of me that is negative, rather than evaluating the content and point of what I was saying.

A lot of what you have done this game has felt to me like you are trying to create perceptions, subtly changing the focus and angle of what is going on, and I don't like that.

Silverwolf wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Why are people voting for Draconusgoose?

Silverwolf wrote:Oh I switched my vote to Draconus

I expect sig to be the lynch today but I want to voice my opinions on others I'm suspecting and the fact that Draconus has done very little since replacing reminds me of how myself and others I've seen react to replacing into a scum slot. Be mostly inactive and then just post the bare minimum without really saying much.

I still suspect Soneji for posts that don't really say anything at all and because I think scum are laying low this game while town attacks each other, but I don't see the point of sitting on that vote by myself right now.
Draconus hasn't done much of anything since replacing. Soneji hasn't done anything all game. They both need to be pushed eventually if we are gonna win this. And if they continue, then lynched IMO.

To be fair to Draconus... he got insanified after one post.

thellama73 wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Why aren't people voting Quin when he basically admitted to being bad?
Because people don't do that. Mafia 101.
Yeah they do. I've seen it.

Vompatti comes to mind.

@Epi - I understand you'd rather lynch sig, but imagine for a moment sig was immune and couldn't be voted for... THEN how would you feel about gleam?

Epignosis wrote:Well gleam isn't going to be too pleased about this, I can tell you.

How pleased are you about it?

Soneji wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.
I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

That's pretty sound logic. But I don't know Mongoose at all to know if meta can be overlayed.

Matt wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Matt wrote: Btw, way to be Zeebs! Let's get that ika! Also, don't like that I'm orange on your list.
Your behavior during the previous lynch...
Awww, can't a guy have some fun at EoD? If it makes you feel better, I believe you and sig are either good or baddie btsc, and based on how strongly you've been defending him in thread, I'm guessing the former.

Y'know, if I had come into this thread confirming that Sloonei was a failed arrest, I think I'd be leading the lynch poll right now. My mind is blown that nobody wants to vote ika today.

I don't think its btsc. He rejected the letter C and replaced it with the letter M.

I am, however, taking zebra's vouch at face value and it is a big part of why I switched. I don't think zebra is bad. If they are baddies teammates its a big gambit.

@DDL - perhaps I just think you are bad? I'm not interested in winning an 'argument'. I'm just interested in lynching baddies.

That leaves sig at 4 and gleam at 8...

I was counting you too, DDL, since you had indicated that you were happy to.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Okay who else said it?

Of those who aren't already on, at minimum indiglo and TH, plus I gotta believe if its close sig gets on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Golden wrote:What happened to you being annoyed with my black and white reads, DDL?
Two opposing behaviors can still be equally malicious.

But either way, I'm not accusing you yet. I'm working with the idea that you might just be stubborn as fuck.

If I'm as stubborn as fuck, why did I just change my vote.

Have you tried working with the idea that I'm actually not stubborn at all?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Golden wrote:But at one and a half hours out from the lynch, you have no idea how close things will be, but you are scaring people into the idea that it will be close a long way out. How about you wait until much closer to deadline to bemoan its closeness?
So half the players are afk and there's no time left to prevent the disaster?

I don't like the sound of that.

I will scare people out of doing stupid shit if I feel like. I think I said that back in day 1.

There's no stupid shit going on. I've counted the number of people who have said they would vote gleam if everyone else does in the thread. I've looked and thought about who is going to place their vote where, and what the numbers will look like afterwards.

Have you? I don't think so. You want to spread paranoia and stop change, but it isn't based in what is actually happening in the thread.

And if you are happy with a gleam vote, why are you telling me to go back to voting sig?

What happened to you being annoyed with my black and white reads, DDL?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also I'm puzzled how the guy who literally said he'd eat a camel if Sig was bad wants to back down from his lynch now.

Put your vote where your mouth is, Golden.

Oh, another repeat of day 2. Go after me. Yay.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:2 vote difference. Chances of cops buying a vote and using it to off a civ are increasing as we speak.
I don't like this post at all. The second time you have posted an oppositional post in the face of a changing vote towards end of day. If Gleam ends up lynched and comes back bad, expect my eyes tomorrow.
Bring it on.

We just had a civ lynch because of the loan shark mechanic. Are we seriously giving that a chance to happen again?

I'm okay with lynching gleam. What I'm not okay is having a tie between gleam and sig where the chance of at least one being a civ is fairly high so the cops can just manipulate it.

Either we lynch gleam by a large margin, or I'll oppose it.

But at one and a half hours out from the lynch, you have no idea how close things will be, but you are scaring people into the idea that it will be close a long way out. How about you wait until much closer to deadline to bemoan its closeness?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:2 vote difference. Chances of cops buying a vote and using it to off a civ are increasing as we speak.

I don't like this post at all. The second time you have posted an oppositional post in the face of a changing vote towards end of day. If Gleam ends up lynched and comes back bad, expect my eyes tomorrow.

sig wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
sig wrote:Nero where is this huge push on me coming from? You weren't for my lynch at all until last night, actually I don't remember you mentioning me at all until I brought up that you may be scum. Your also using the same argument many players have used. I find that odd. It looks like your trying to push my lynch for unsavory reasons.
My main reason for lynching you is mostly based on how much time has been used arguing whether or not we should lynch you - it ties in with what happened at the CFD and such, and there has been a lot of confusion surrounding it. Its dividing us and I don´t like it. Its like we can´t move on until you´re lynched. I guess its also due to paranoia that I feel this way, but I believe that we will have a more clear approach to things once you´re gone. The votes are shifting quickly to Gleam again and its making me uncomfortable how sure we were to lynch you. The only thing Gleam posted was a contradiction which could have been a mistake and yet people still change their votes when before they were quite sure that you are bad. It tickles me all the wrong places

Linki - Not be opposed to Gleam lynch eh? Its your only choice man. Im not opposed to lynching Gleam either, just not today. Whats scaring me are the changing votes.
But we caught Fuzz that way?

Sig, stuff like this - like, I really don't care if you are good or bad - stuff like this just makes you the awesomest of the awesomest. You are so much fun to play with. It makes me smile.

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:I think we should stay on the Sig lynch. You guys can always build a case on Gleam later, but right now Sig needs to go.

Nerolunar wrote:Are the cops at work here? Its rubbing me the wrong way that several votes are shifting now.

Do you really want the Sig discussion to continue for a another day?
These two posts are pingy. Keep on the Sig lynch don't even look for someone else who might be scum build their case later. Then the cops are at work? That would be the top posters who everyone thinks are civs? This seems like fear mongering to me.

Hold on, hold on.

Let me catch my breath.

Woo.

Yeah, it is quite funny, in that this is EXACTLY why I've been accusing sig of being bad for days. It is exactly this behaviour that has made me believe I have him pegged.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I just feel I have far less in the way of a sense that gleam is trying to catch bad guys.
As opposed to sig, who has named everybody in the phone book twice?

Yep, basically.

Don't forget I'm trying to rank who I think looks worse, not who I think looks great.

I have to say, Nero's angle is the same as what yours was on day 2 sig. The moment the lynch shifts he blames the cops, in preference to actually understanding why civilians would be making a shift.

Personally, my reason for a shift is

Zebra's vouching for sig gives me some pause, and although there are reasons to be hesitant in taking a vouch on faith it feels like a fairly specific vouch.
Fuzz's vote for ika looks like a gleam save to me, and I've always felt this way. I've felt as dodgy about gleam as I have about sig.
Indi makes good points on gleam, and actually I just feel I have far less in the way of a sense that gleam is trying to catch bad guys.

I can see a world in which either of them are civ. I still lean more bad than civ on each. But I've decided I'm willing to allow the sig thing to play out for longer.

Voted gleam

I'm interested to see how this EoD shakes out.

a2thezebra wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Whoops my vote suddenly slipped and now it's on agleaminranks.
ur bad

Why?

Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:linki: Thank you indi. Anyone for a not-so-last-minute bandwagon on gleam?
As much as I believe it just pushes sig conversation tomorrow, I actually wouldn't mind doing this. The Fuzz vote on ika rather than gleam after suspecting gleam and saying he's stay away from the ika/silverwolf thing has always looked like a potential gleam save to me.
Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, ika could be bad and Fuzz was hoping for some sweet sweet cred by breaking the tie.

And you're going back to ika's 'slip' with that too. It's a theory

I think I'm more on board with the gleam one, but it is interesting.

The thing for me with ika is he felt really genuine in the whole EoD 2 situation.

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