The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:

Diiny wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

True, but I don't like this. Don't draw attention away from your own lack of activity; be active! I want to see the brian I know and, if you'll q-quite forgive me, love. That said I'm only skimming so you may have shown that but this jumped out at me

Of the four games, i've played this being the 5th, I have not had the same meta in any game (although, this is open to interpretation), which makes that hardly true.

Meta is not for you to select.

Indeed. It's the second game in which brian has brought up his lack of meta. The first time around he had great reason to - he was cop and lying intentionally low but was likely to get lynched for looking like his baddie self. So good motivation for specifically fighting the perception of his meta, and to be fair in that game I was bad and intentionally trying to use it against him.

But I don't think it makes it true that brian has no meta, and I'm suspicious of why he would bring it up. He didn't bring it up as vanilla civ in 88, as far as I can recall.

MacDougall wrote:

Choutas wrote:Also mind you all people that this is my second game in over a year. I've grown rusty. I'm veteran league material playing with young bucks.

Distancing yourself from your play?

"It's not my fault I lynched a townie, I was rusty... RUSTY."

My first game back after three years I nailed a baddie on day one, so I definitely don't like rusty as an excuse.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It wasn't a terribly substantive vote by me for you though; I tend to use votes as a way of poking people hard and encouraging direct intercourse.*

*How about that sentence, Golden and Diiny? :P

Unfortunately, there are no good colours that begin with D.

But feel free to use double entendre yellow

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If this:

Golden wrote:And I'm really beginning to be bothered by JJ - his questioning seems pointless. Certainly, I'm not seeing JJ make any points with it. It bothers me when I see someone asking a lot of questions without bothering to put anything of their own opinion into it at the same time.

stems from this:

Golden wrote:linki @jj - I believe that is my impression of you from reading through pages 7 and 8 in a relatively short timeframe. It was a lot of specifically questioning Diiny about his behaviour towards Roxy.

Then I would ask you to read that content again when you have an opportunity. I questioned Diiny thoroughly for sure, but never failed to state my own perspective. At that point I had my vote on Diiny, and I continuously explained to him exactly what my misgivings were. I was working out my suspicion of him (for which I didn't have that much conviction) to decide whether he would become a candidate for my final vote or not. I eventually decided I won't vote for him.

I did not find it genuine that you ever had a legitimate suspicion on him. Perhaps that contributed to my feeling that you were not adding your own perspective.

espers wrote:

espers wrote:

seaside wrote: 2. Lynch Mac for having it all worked Putin day 0 but not doing a thing to help town in ANY way but to boast. I reakon he is the rogue.

what makes you think he's the rogue? wouldn't he be more likely to be mafia if he's anti-town?

this is reminding me overwhelmingly of when osokoi/longford made a similarly inexplicable rogue read on a player in rym 87, and he was mafia.

voting seaside

To be fair, the player he was referring to in that game (JJJ) was a rogue... Although I see your point in that calling someone out for being a rogue can be another way of saying 'I read them as bad, but I know they aren't on my team, so what else can they be?'

I did want to know why MacDougall is working with Putin, though.

I will say that in reading LC's further explanation of his vote for bea, I came to understand it and find the potential links between bea and rico significant. I feel even more sure of my vote for rico as things stand at the moment, I think it would be a wise way to go.

I will repeat that I do NOT think Diiny is a wise way to go and it bothers me that he has continued to be the person with the most votes. I will use my vote in defence of Diiny if necessary.

This is happening incredibly fast and I fear I have no hope of catching up fully before deadline, which I really wanted to. But it's a busy day at work, and it takes me 15 minutes a page about to read and understand everything, so it's hard for me to find more than an hour to justify to set aside for the purpose.

So... I'm just going to skim from where I am before deadline to make sure I have a vague understanding of what is going on, then do a fuller catch up tonight (when I should hopefully have enough time to have caught up completely).

HamburgerBoy wrote:Also, who in the hell is motel room?

Aokiji.

Epignosis wrote:"Quiet Epi is never a good thing."

Well now let's see.

Raise your hand if loud Epi ever railroaded you when you were a civilian and got your ass lynched.

Raise your hand if you wished loud Epi would have shutted up the fuck.

I thought so.

I don't see why me being quiet is "never a good thing."

I concur with epi again.

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote:Rox and others - tend to Day 1 Day 1. We recognise that ALL arguments are based on very little. The weakest of pings. And lacking anything concrete to go on, we reserve the right to random vote.

I don't like this. "All arguments [Day 1] are based on very little." All? No, no they aren't. I think I (and others) have demonstrated time after time that Days 1 are a civilian's greatest tool for setting up a winning game. To shrug it off like this in praise of randomness (and who is to prove if someone actually voted randomly) doesn't look good

I concur with epi. I hate it when I have to make a random day 1 vote, I think there is normally always something to go, and there certainly is today.

Diiny wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:

Diiny wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

True, but I don't like this. Don't draw attention away from your own lack of activity; be active! I want to see the brian I know and, if you'll q-quite forgive me, love. That said I'm only skimming so you may have shown that but this jumped out at me

Of the four games, i've played this being the 5th, I have not had the same meta in any game (although, this is open to interpretation), which makes that hardly true.

You haven't played identically, and yes you've only played 5 games, but I'm sure others will agree that you can have a certain undeniable townie aura at times, one that you've never managed to replicate as scum and that you're not showing as of yet.

I agree with Diiny that brian DOES have a meta, although he doesn't like to think so.

I also see no reason to think brian is off-town-meta right now. Sure, he is a little quiet, but I don't think quietness alone is brian's meta. It's what he does say with what he posts. He feels like town brian to me.

Long Con wrote:JaggedJimmyJay, I think you forgot to bold your vote for me in the thread.

I think you will find that the rules do not require him to do so.

Also, what is this, Vocaroo wars? Loving Roxy and JJ having what appears to be a best vocaroo fight.

You milk marmot now? That sounds disgusting. Please no.

@Rico - RVS is great with changeable votes, because it can push some people into the act of talking, but you can also get a clear sense of whether or not people are being logical over time. It's different to be sure, but it's still important to test that when a vote finally lands for the end of the day, it is logical. It just creates a new form of analysis. (Which I guess JJ and MM kind of went on to say).

I do not like LC's vote for bea. Unless it is an attempt at RVS and not a genuine vote, in which case it would be ok.

I like ISOs. They work best if you think about them as taking a collection of notable posts and thinking about whether each suggests a town or anti-town mindset. Then you might reach a possible conclusion or might not. Either way, they can actually be very good for exposing links and tactics. And they can also (as Roxy said) end up looking completely misleading.

Got to the bottom of page 9 but that's it for tonight. I don't want to end up like G-Man and be in catch up mode all game, but I'm super busy and I'm trying to make sure that I take everything in and don't just skim it. And you all are posting fast.

linki @jj - I believe that is my impression of you from reading through pages 7 and 8 in a relatively short timeframe. It was a lot of specifically questioning Diiny about his behaviour towards Roxy.

Picking up half way through page 6 again.

Diiny - this is technically RYM90, so from a precedent perspective I'd say you could do not need to stop at merely persuasive and could go binding.

Also, please everyone excuse my need to lawyer geek out with Diiny. I have no Kate or Mongoose. Plus diiny's signature quotes Miller v Jackson. Sort of.

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Seems like RYM peeps are finding some culture shock getting used to TS peeps. Roxy and Sorsha haven't raised an eyebrow from me yet.

RYM people, seriously... get ready for how big a culture shock this is. Open setups drive secrecy, and while this game is 'win dead or alive', players here also have to know hoe to play with the 'die and lose' mentality, so you can expect RYM-like play to make you an immediate target as you fail to blend in. Welcome to being me I used to be an outlier here, but in this game I might be normal.

I've been diiny's scummate, I've been diiny's townmate. Right now I trust him a lot. He feels very town to me.

Bea - I miss FH too where is she!

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Rico on this page is making me vote rico. I'm not a fan of the slightly defensive rico I'm seeing. I still need to go back and think about why I feel bad the whole time. It does start a bit with hearing that even he and MR F were going at it in the other thread. Aggressive rico bothers me. In the words of llama, I think there is precedent for rico playing the Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader style.

Whoop whoop, rico's response to Choutas is definitely deserving of pedantic pink. Let's not attack the suspicion, lets just discredit the player with a semantic reading. I'm talking of this post here:

Ricochet wrote:

Choutas wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Choutas, you've helped a few people by explaining their behavior in a pro-town manner, and your explanations have been valid. I do wonder though whether you've been viewing the thread through the opposite lens: is anything suspicious to you yet?

The sample is quite small. Most RYMers have barely posted and I have no idea how to judge the Syndicators. Usually when someone acts aggressively I view that as a towntell. There is always a degree of patience and neutrality to a good scum play.
I think the Ricochet vs FZ is a good start. Rico's reaction looks a bit forced and unconvincing.

You seem to have said in the same phrase "I have no idea how to judge the Syndicators" and "I have enough of an idea to judge a Syndicator".

Also, Diiny continues to look good to me.

And I'm really beginning to be bothered by JJ - his questioning seems pointless. Certainly, I'm not seeing JJ make any points with it. It bothers me when I see someone asking a lot of questions without bothering to put anything of their own opinion into it at the same time.

My stream of consciousness posting as I read through... so sorry if I do address things that are already resolved.

Starting at page 3 - I feel deprived of JJJ vocaroo recordings of Talking Heads songs.

Page 4 - my only experience of Aphex Twin is the piece called... Logon Rock Witch, from the album alarm will sound. It's a standing joke that my best friend and I call the worst song ever.

Oh, and on topic, for those who don't know llama I find his conduct to be pretty on par for llama so far.

Oh, wait, JJJ beat metalmarsh? I thought MM won!!! Yay, no vocaroo deprivation!

Zebra - I find it hard to see your JJJ suspicion as very well founded. JJJ is known for being the exact opposite of a minimal poster, and I took his post in what I assumed was an ironic tone. He was apologising because he is known for posting a huge amount. Of course, my own assessment that nothing happened in our day 0 thread is my own assessment, and its ok if others disagree. I didn't find anything personally suspicious in that thread. I missed the tail end of it, though. I also have to say I am a big fan of cases based on day 0 so I'm a fan already. While I don't agree with your case, when you started linking in to Epi and sig, it did make me think there is a great chance that anyone with more than one or two votes could be mafia with teamies trying to help them win. So JJJ, Wilgy, MM... I'd have to check the poll to see if there were others.

Page 5 - and we start with MM not being able to read the rules.

@sig - early random voting is normal on RYM.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think I have ever seem someone attempt to line up an interaction-based theory on three bad guys this early in a game.

It certainly wasn't this early, but in my first game I did a mega-super case linking three people and how they were bad. It took me hours, and linked back to well over 100 posts I think. All three were civs, and I was ignored and summarily lynched. Lol. But it was a great introduction to the game.

I completely agree on your zebra read, I had no idea it was your first game zebra, wow, you seem like a pro already.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey RYMers, let me give you a little insight on some things that are either polarizing or unpopular on The Syndicate, so you can do them even more to drive them nuts.

~ rainbow lists
~ broadcasting your town reads
~ ISO analyses

very true.

bea wrote:Can't say I'm surprised no one said "OMG, Bea should totes be our assistant CEO! She rocks my world!" But still....I'm a little sad.

I came very close - it would have been you if not for MR F blazing a comeback trail.

I note FZ suspects Rico. I haven't put my finger on why yet, but this is also the person I feel most uneasy with. Once I've caught up totally, if I still feel that way, I'll figure out why and tell you all about it.

Thats it for now.

Sorry I've not been about today. Just skimmed for a quick catch up and well done guys on figuring out how are polls align, thats impressive work. Did you guys also have the 'no ties' rule? I wonder if your options ended up in a similar place to us.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the 7 person mafia team were fully aware of the poll on both sides, managed to figure out its meaning somewhat, and manipulated it towards what they thought were the best ends. In that case, it would be particular epic if anyone was as terrifyingly anal as MM and had the poll from Syndicate side.

I must get directly to bed, will catch up further tomorrow.

Whatever metalmarsh is offering I'll double it!

I voted for MR F and Diiny, and fine assistant to the CEO's they would make.

Ricochet wrote:A warm welcome to all RYM members that I'll be playing with for the first time.

However, I got a question and you may all ask yourselves: why did Golden, FZ and MM deserted over at RYM camp?

Possibly because we all play at RYM and the rest of you do not. The rest of you should, though.

I was asking myself... how will that marmot survive with a no self-voting rule.

And how will the hosts know it's you anyway with your elaborate underwear disguise?

Matt F wrote:RYMers...

Anything of note happen during your Day 0?

Golden for RYM, reywas for Syndicate

Choutas rap was a whole lot longer than what made it into the host post...

I didn't see the end, but mostly it was just RYMers getting used to the featured of the site. I didn't notice anything relevant game-wise.