The Syndicate

I'm up for a TH vote, tranq.

@MM - the timing and lots of other stuff... I mean, I agree there are still good reasons to suspect timmer. In some ways, timmer being lynched could make a lot of things clear. But, when the one theory I had I now think is wrong (that timmer had items, and knew he was killig epi with an obisidian dagger) it is harder for me to judge the rest of my case. It was that part of the case which made me feel sure.

Bass has fallen off my radar a lot but splints post has reminded me of a lot of the reason I found him suspicious in the early game. I could be on board with a bass vote.

I don't know if timmer is good but I'm pretty sure he has been honest about the obsidian dagger. I don't think he knew what it was. That's why I've not been pursuing him as much.

Well, TH, perhaps you could be clear about what the point was?

@tranq - the other question of relevance is... why is it ok to mention the poisoning today but not yesterday? Just an attempt to paint me as suspicious for misremembering what day I got poisoned on?

But, on the other hand, TH has a point... why mention it at all. It's not like it created a whole lot of traction for a lynch on me.

I don't understand it either way.

Turnip Head wrote:I mean that you voted very quickly yesterday, and today you have not.

That's true. Yesterday I had a plan. Today I don't.

Sometimes in this game I've voted early and other times I haven't. There is no deeper meaning to it. I think you only noticed because my early vote yesterday was for you.

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote: I don't intend to vote for LoRab today.

Who do you intend to vote for? You were not so deliberate yesterday.

Yesterday I set out the three people I most suspected very early. Today I've done the same. I've been very deliberate with my strategy all game, although I'll admit not always entirely forthcoming.

I gave my view on LoRab because Matt F specifically asked me about it.

As for lorab - I have no reason to assume she is good and I actually spent a large chunk of this game feeling like she had posted a lot but her thoughts were within quite a limited range. In that respect, I still think LoRab could be bad. But on recent days I've felt her content is more civ like, and I also have a theory that she is in a particular role that I think might be civ. I don't intend to vote for LoRab today.

Matt F wrote:Are you still assuming Wilgy was the Trickster, Golden? If so, alrighty. If not, what do you make of his "Beware the Lorab" ?

Not assuming he must have been... but thinking it is a viable theory.

Dom, do you think Matt F tried to kill you?

I have to say, I completely agree with this:

S~V~S wrote:Matt becasue he is not really *feeling* the tinfoil. I think he's trying to find tinfoil acceptable to the crowd at large, and he just isn;t finding it.

I think the other bit - Matt trying to be less tunnelly, is genuine and could be town or bad.. I think we will see it from Matt going forward. But this bit is something I agree with. I think Matt's current tinfoiling lacks a feeling of being genuine. I also have been sitting on a theory for a while that Matt himself is Dr Dre, and he has been trying to push it onto MM.

Matt - I'd have to look back at your posts to see if you could be Witherdeath or not. It's hard to rule out anyone from being in circle right now, for me, except those people I have solid reasons to trust.

I still also suspect splints & TH.

linki @tranq - what do you think about Matt?

Tranq wrote:Looks like Tranq is off the poll today

Looks like Wilgy was the Trickster?

I'm fine either way. Thanksgiving doesn't effect me, but I am really busy.

Dom surviving a circle kill surprises me. I suspected that he may have been on team circle

I've done a lot of thought about the likelihood of the Living Statue to be civ.

I tend to think it more likely the role gets recruited by a baddie.

The advantage a baddie team would have is that if one of their people get the gem and then die, the rest of their team would still know where the gem is and would be able to complete the task. If a civ died with the gem, this wouldn't be so easy. The baddies also have the advantage of getting to know more about what is on each square by covering more squares per day, given they have non-square related btsc.

On the other side of the coin is that there are more civs (or at least at game start there were).

It could go either way.

I also can't cast a second vote in the poll, but I vote for 'D' in spirit.

LoRab wrote:I see some talk of recruitments? Is there any indication that there are recruitments?

As for Dom, I think he's likely civ. Possibly civ-friendly indie. I haven't seen baddie Dom in this game.

Yes. The role of Living Statue is overtly recruitable.

Matt F wrote:My bad, 12 hour shift, I'm zonked. Anyway, so what, ya all think Wilgy was Trickster?

Golden, you think the Statue is evil now? I feel like that is a strong possibility, actually, or the Statue is dead.

So I'm going to want to lynch MM again tomorrow probably. Maybe another look at Lorab. And Dom, def Dom.

What does everyone think of Dom?

I don't think the statue is dead.

I don't know what side the statue is on. I'm on the fence about that.

I think you need to move on from trying to lynch MM.

Wilgy's vote for me is rather inexplicable then.

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote:So you think there would be a better candidate for him to choose than the person who they poisoned on night one?

Or, is it a different point you are making?

No, I think there would be no better candidate than that. That is absolutely the point that I'm making.

OK. Point taken. I took your point and went back and checked.

I was poisoned night two.

I also know who was poisoned night 3 (but they are now dead), so I think we have everyone accounted for, because Luke was lynched Day 4.

So you think there would be a better candidate for him to choose than the person who they poisoned on night one?

Or, is it a different point you are making?

Turnip Head wrote:I don't know if I'm a peep like Dom, but I do not agree with some of your conclusions Golden. Most recently, that voting for you was the move Wilgy would make if he's Witherdeath I also suspect you might be talking out of your butt when you say you were poisoned Night 1.

If Wilgy was the Trickster I think he is more likely to be Circle. We also weren't told that a team was eliminated.

Well, it is lucky that I left breadcrumbs on the subject, then, since you think I'm 'talking out of my butt'. Go look after Luke was lynched.

I think the main reason you think I'm talking out of my butt is because you don't like that I'm on to you. I'll be voting for you again tomorrow.

Although I do agree that if Wilgy is Witherdeath, it would have to mean that they have an extra member (living statue?). But why didn't wilgy take his name off the poll?

Dom wrote:you save me so much time and energy tbh, golden.

I still need peeps like you to give an opinion on whether they agree with the conclusions I draw, though, Dom.

Eloh was on the first three polls. Thus, Eloh/Wilgy have never been off the poll.

So I'd go back to saying it makes the claim seem far less likely. Surely this would be the time for Wilgy to use his power?

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:In favour of Wilgy being legitimately that role, he was not on the poll until day 4.

But wouldn't he have taken himself off this lynch? when odds were strongly in favor of him being next to be voted?

Yeah, well... against him being that role - it's an easy fake claim if your name ended up off the poll for the first three days

I think that if anyone has the ability to do so, finding out DFaraday's role could help. His absence from the day 6 poll seemed most noteworthy to me, and I suspected he might be Blinkman. But who knows for sure.

I would say at this point on balance I think Wilgy's role is more likely the truth than a trick.

@Lorab - oh, I forgot he subbed in for Eloh! I need to check the polls for her!

In favour of Wilgy being legitimately that role, he was not on the poll until day 4.

Hey, weird... I managed to make the underline either colourful or not depending on the order in which I presented the coding, I assume.

LoRab wrote:And if he comes back civ, then I'm going to be of the belief that he's whatever the Seemer role is called in this game.

Trickster, although it's unclear to me if that ability can be used on themself upon death, it says "causing a lynched person to seem as though they were the role of his choice". LC/BR, can trickster use this ability on themself?

That reminds me of another thought I had.

LC/BR - what if the Trickster chose to use their seemer ability on the last person to die from a team? Would we still be immediately told the team is dead?

That's true, Lorab. I guess that is why I find it confusing that people are linking him to circle.

Oh well, if he comes back circle I guess people can talk more to this tomorrow.

I've been thinking very hard about Wilgy over the last couple of hours.

I still believe I have a lot of evidence that he is on Witherdeath. I find this scenario far more likely than him being on the circle of decay. His vote for me, given team Witherdeath ought to have relatively unique knowledge of my poisoning, only reinforces this further for me.

I don't see any evidence linking him to team circle. I think I'd find it slightly more likely that he is town than circle. But if he was circle, it would be fantastic to take one out.

Tranq wrote:

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:I think DrWilgy will flip Circle

Why, Tranq? Just speculation, or do you feel like there are real indications that lean this way.

I think you have missed certain hints these past couple of hours which would make DrWilgy a huge fool if he's Cabal.

He seems to be hinting at civ, I'm not sure how you get circle not cabal from that? Oh well, I guess we will see when he flips.

Tranq wrote:I think DrWilgy will flip Circle

Why, Tranq? Just speculation, or do you feel like there are real indications that lean this way.

Wilgy voted for me. Very interesting indeed, given members of the Witherdeath Cabal would know I was once poisoned by the Goblin on night 1.

That means a vote for me would count for 8 right now.

Lucky I figured out how to cure myself some time ago

Feel free to join the TH bonfire, Wilgy. Its not going to save you, though.

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

I have reason to believe we are not, but I almost certainly can't tell you what that reason is.

It's odd. You wouldn't expect someone could otherwise imitate the pixie over and over again.

That is also true. Are we allowed to say what was generally upon the square where we found the note, without discussing the exact co-ordinates? I could be mistaken.

I found mine at a square with a portal.

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

I have reason to believe we are not, but I almost certainly can't tell you what that reason is.

It's odd. You wouldn't expect someone could otherwise imitate the pixie over and over again.

The Trickster is another person who could be responsible, just on the face of their role. I've also come upon the note talking of a great library, but it might just be that we are all coming upon it in the same place.

Turnip Head wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also votes can't be changed this round, it would seem.

That is an unfortunate turn of events.

It is. I didn't notice this, and I didn't intend to leave my vote on TH.

LoRab wrote:Does that mean that the player that role was protecting is now dead and the role is neutral? Or did the person they are watching over only recently have Mac vote for them (although I think he voted juliets the last couple of lunches, so less likely). I need to go look at the lunch polls.

Very good questions. Did Mac vote anyone other than Floyd yesterday? And I've been wondering, would temporary votes count, or only votes at end of day. Cos if it is the first, then looking at the polls alone might not work.

Another potential theory... the Golem is civ-aligned (or watching over someone civ-aligned) and they have sat on the ability to kill Mac for a while, but recently decided they thought he was bad?

@splints - as with timmer and the obsidian dagger - we have the cursecrafter out there making usable items that are potentially harmful. I am keeping that idea in mind. But all my suspicions at this point have counterarguments. I still have to be honest about who I suspect.

linki @lorab - You are making complete sense. I'd be pretty comfortable with a Wilgy lynch.

It's also fair for you to say I asked and you responded very completely. I recognise that is true.

Well TH perhaps I am paranoid but there a few things involved here...

You specifically raising Dr Dre not being in the poll was a ping for me. And I'm not saying you are lying about LP, I'm saying that the fact Dre was civilian in that game is convenient for you - and while I previously perceived that particular exchange as civilian looking, when I read it back I realised that if you are bad, it would really benefit you to bring up that point.

These things don't make you bad, but you have definitely earned an eye from me. I'm suspicious of several people for how they've played, and that includes you right now. But I admit, none of my suspicions are massive - they are based around theories of the game, and what is going on in it. That's just the way my brain works.

Yeah, the Trickster is out there... since someone raised the possibility of them giving someone a false ID upon lynch, but I also just realised that 'they can appear as anyone during btsc' which is also awkward... even if you thought you'd identified a player as the trickster, we might not even know who they actually are.

My thoughts are pulling me in a lot of directions today.

I still think Wilgy could be the last Witherdeath, but on the other hand they don't get a kill tonight.
I think splints could have been responsible for that beacon, and I think that feels like the actions of a baddie.
And I'm tempted to vote TH, to start figuring out this Dr Dre thing, because in some ways it feels to me like it could be the most malevolent threat. As I've thought about it more over the last couple of days, TH's 'the role was civilian last game' could be him providing the most information, but it could also be him intentionally misleading.

They feel like the three I'm most suspicious of right now... so I could see my vote going any of those ways. I'm going to start with TH for now.

@Lorab - I'm also really interested to start having some convo with you today - I feel like I haven't been doing much of that yet, and I'm interested in your thoughts on the Feral Pixie, your thoughts on Mac's death - those two things in particular.

I guess HB was after you pretty strongly? Was it him? I remember Matt F more...

Do other people agree that the post makes it appear Feral Pixie is civilian?

linki @sorsha - I'm not sure. I could see it, Mac and HB did seem to be very linked in the thread. But, I could also see someone just seeing Mac as a genuine threat.

I'll admit, I've been focussed a bit on the beacon because its destruction blew me off course a couple of days ago. Tomorrow night I should get back to where I was originally trying to go on night 7, so at least it wasn't too bad, but it was annoying. I suspect it was splints who did it.

RIP Mac and HB. I didn't have terrible vibes about either of you.

I take it from that post that the Feral Pixie is a champion of the town? Is that what I'm supposed to take from that post?

MM - what do you think of the deaths last night. How did you feel about Mac and HB?

I still wish Dr Dre was on the poll - it would have made it easier to figure out what is going on with Turnip Head's affilition

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:Yes, sorry LoRab, I did realise that I just thought everyone would understand that is what I meant.

Before I was wondering whether someone died, but I think perhaps the event was destroying the square rather than hurting any person.

Also possible it would have killed anyone on G9/G10, but no one was on either space at the time?

Do I extrapolate correctly that you are assuming that the person who caused the beacon knew what would happen?

Yeah, I'm assuming the person who caused the beacon would know what would happen.

Yes, sorry LoRab, I did realise that I just thought everyone would understand that is what I meant.

Before I was wondering whether someone died, but I think perhaps the event was destroying the square rather than hurting any person.

I just looked at the map and noticed square G9 looks blown up. I think this was likely a deliberate action by a baddie, if the function of the square no longer exists. It was probably a square that baddies felt could be used against them in some way.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Draconus wrote:Voting feral pixie. I'm most unsure of that one.

I may not be around much this weekend. I'll be spending time in the city today and then my roommate and I will be playing portal 2 all night. It never gets old

I've been wanting to play the co-op version of that game. I haven't gotten the chance yet.

We should make it happen some time, then, marmot.

To be honest, though, these are probably the four roles I'm most curious about their alignment, so the host chose them well.

I'd also like to know the alignment of the Puppet Master.

One from the cabal left, and my money is on wilgy.

Good job everyone.