The Syndicate

Df* autocorrect is, per sprityo, a cruel mistrust.

Great job. Well played do, see ya baddie!

Anyway, the better question might be how does LC resolve lynch ties lol!

DFaraday wrote:
Golden wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Come on, Equivocate, Bass, Ekeknat, now would be a great time for you guys to come back to the game.
What if they voted for you?
At least I wouldn't have to wait in anticipation. I forget, did the hosts establish how ties are resolved?

Epi is never so nice when it comes to ties, but I do think we had one at the start and there was nothing to suggest it wasn't simply a coin flip. It implied the joker may have had a hand in deciding, but the joker is dead. Who knows.

DFaraday wrote:Come on, Equivocate, Bass, Ekeknat, now would be a great time for you guys to come back to the game.

What if they voted for you?

I think the best point against Bubbles is that she actually has continued to turn up despite the fact she mostly isn't checking in on the lynches. So, if bubbles is lynched, I do have some hope. I just feel like she always gets lynched and comes back town for basically the same reasons.

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:And I already gave in on glorfindel and I don't want to give in on two of my stronger town reads in two days. I should have backed myself yesterday.
What does this mean?

It means I let doubt get in the way of a strong read yesterday when I should have continued to stick up for glorf.

Dom wrote:I voted Bubbles.

OK. Guess I'm voting DF.

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:And I already gave in on glorfindel and I don't want to give in on two of my stronger town reads in two days. I should have backed myself yesterday.
What does this mean?

Golden, what do you think of LoRab?

I think LoRab is relying on being given a slightly easier ride for having been away for much of the early game. However, I also didn't like her responses to DF (I felt like DF was fairly clear) and, well, I'd prefer her as the lynch to DF or bubbles, basically.

juliets - how do you feel about LoRab?

And I already gave in on glorfindel and I don't want to give in on two of my stronger town reads in two days. I should have backed myself yesterday.

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:I'll vote DF if the pair of you vote Bubbles.
What do you do if DFaraday comes back civ/not bad?

I mean, I don't see DF and Bubbles as a one must be good, one must be bad scenario. I just think DF is a better bet than Bubbles. I really genuinely think Bubbles is on her civ game. I could be wrong, I just really don't think I am.

Mind you if we all voted LoRab, DF would only be tying it up too, so he is probably doomed to a tie either way.

And DF would probably vote bubbles, so I'd guess we'd end in a tie unless bubbles came by to save herself.

I'll vote DF if the pair of you vote Bubbles.

How do we feel about LoRab?

Dom wrote:Is there anyone we do agree on?

Possibly not. I actually think DH is a good vote except for the fact he appears to be silenced. I would feel guilty about that.

juliets wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm not overly opposed to a DF vote either. I'm essentially ambivalent.
Yes, this is what I'm feeling on DF. I'm actually considering voting myself.

I wouldn't do that. I think failing a better option, we should just vote someone we have some suspicion of.

I'm not overly opposed to a DF vote either. I'm essentially ambivalent.

Dom wrote:I'm not really feeling a Dfaraday lynch, I don't think. The suddenness of the case coupled with the fact that I don't really see why those points make him bad does not sit well with me.

I'd rather lynch Matt or Bubbles or Golden.

I'm not overly feeling a DF vote either, but you can't count on my vote for any of the people you named.

There is no evidence that Matt has been able to be around for the rest of the day. Perhaps he had to vote that early.

Dom wrote:I thought he posted earlier in the day, but it was just before the night ended. He may be silenced.

That makes me Matt's vote a bit.

Why? The silencer is a civilian, there is no reason for Matt to realise it when none of the rest of us did.

Dom wrote:I liked Matt's case on DH, but I want to hear his response.

Me too.

I would vote for DF before voting for bubbles.

DH, I'd consider, though.

DFaraday wrote:I'm sorry if that came off snippy, I just feel like I keep explaining my reasoning re: Bubbles and you keep missing the point of what I'm saying. Talking in circles is very frustrating.

I think you've been very clear and I agree. Bubbles has been around enough to send in kills. She has been on the site a number of times when she hasn't posted.

I'm feeling a Dom vote, but I don't think others are.

Oh. I just realised that the message wasn't unhelpful lol. I missed the link the first time. I just thought I got stopped by a security guard and got nothing.

OK, this is interesting... because...

Did anyone else (as with me) get a very simple, unhelpful message when they visited Wayne Manor?

juliets wrote:The one thing about Bubbles that stops me in my tracks when I start thinking she's bad is she voted 4 times for Waynes Manor (wish I could remember who pointed this out). Seems like a mafia teammate would have said "hey, what are you doing you already have the message from there" or they would be involved in a bts discussion on where to vote. This doesn't mean she can't be an inmate though.

I actually wondered if it was a deliberate role hint.

LoRab wrote:@Golden: Do I recall correctly that you have names penciled in for all the named civ roles? Is Matt in that list?

Nope. He'd have to be a cop if he was civ. Of course my list could be all wrong.

Seriously guys. Lorab. Bullzeye. SVS.

Bubbles is civilian.

Dom wrote:Golden, I read them as baddie in tone. I'm sorry we disagree. I don't think we have a "normal town" Bubbles.

Stop telling people to read her? What on earth is that post Golden? Why? I'm encouraging people to make their own decision. I have discussed and will continue to discuss other suspects as well. What is your angle here?

I don't mean stop asking people to read her. I mean stop using that as a proxy for explaining your suspicion.

There is a 'normal town' bubbles. Really clearly. If I was to suggest something to you, it would be go back and read bubbles in A World Reborn. She was way less straighforward in what she had to say than she is in this game. All these games as civ she just says what she thinks. Thats exactly what she has done here. But in World Reborn, totally different.

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:@dom - Because I felt Bubbles was a more acceptable loss than Glorfindel if the theory was wrong. For all the criticism of Glorfindel, I felt he was really contributing. For example, his case on MM and his point about how lower posters were being killed off, perhaps because some killers are higher posters that didn't want to isolate themselves, were really unique thoughts that he brought to the table.

Bubbles, on the other hand, just started a new job (I know because she had to ask for a replacement in Zodiac) and so I know she is having a tough time contributing.
So, you thought if Glorfindel was bad then Bubbles was surely bad.
So you voted Bubbles because logic went out the window.

Dom, I just gave you a very clear and rational and logical reason for my choice and your response is to throw it right out the window?

Stop telling people to read bubbles or just saying her posts 'are scummy'. Why are they scummy? They are the same as she usually is as town, what do you see as being different from normal town bubbles? It feels like you are the one who is clinging on to a view and refusing to move at all.

SVS, as much as you can, and maybe you've already done this, but what are your thoughts on dom?

@dom - Because I felt Bubbles was a more acceptable loss than Glorfindel if the theory was wrong. For all the criticism of Glorfindel, I felt he was really contributing. For example, his case on MM and his point about how lower posters were being killed off, perhaps because some killers are higher posters that didn't want to isolate themselves, were really unique thoughts that he brought to the table.

Bubbles, on the other hand, just started a new job (I know because she had to ask for a replacement in Zodiac) and so I know she is having a tough time contributing.

LoRab wrote:
Golden wrote:Does anyone have a good read on Dom, either civ or bad, based on thread content rather than just gut?
I have a low level civ read of Dom. He tends to have a certain tone of grrrrrr in his posts when he's evil that I'm not seeing.

I think part of the challenge we're all having is that we're playing a game in which a third of the players are vanilla civs, and most of us are used there being no or almost no vanilla civs. So, there's a whole lot of people that we're not sure how to read/who are posting differently than what we're used to, regardless of what they're like as either civ or bad.

I agree, and another third who are 'bad' (inmates) but have no btsc ties and may feel they can genuinely win as town.

There aren't very many out and out baddies. That makes them hard to find.

@Bullz, yeah you might be right. I wondered if she died after my memes thing because I never was told I had an antidote but I also never had to do anything else after that.

Typhoony wrote:Hey Nygma, you punk. Give out some curses that people can work with like you did with me. Asshole.

It might be Poison Ivy. I never noticed you were cursed.

OK, SVS. Lets see if you can do anything like what TH did.

Please repeat after me.

Yes
No
Suspicious
Agree
Disagree
Town
Mafia
Inmate

juliets wrote:Another good mind lost.

Sounds like you are attending SVS' funeral lol.

Typhoony wrote:I'm willing to vote a low poster that has been able to send in the kills. Who are the possibilities then?

Depends how you define low. You might be looking at only Bubbles, but I feel quite sure bubbles isn't bad.

Other than that, you are looking at someone like LoRab or DF.

juliets wrote:Anyway, I don't know what to do.

I genuinely don't either. I feel like its the product of quite a few days on top of each other which have been quite stagnant in terms of the development of new content and reads, and quite a few people entirely disengaging with the game. Like, for instance, Enrique felt like one of the best assets we have and I wish he was back.

Does anyone have a good read on Dom, either civ or bad, based on thread content rather than just gut?

I'm not going to assume it does. Don't assume that you denying you are Montoya makes me think you aren't, either.

Typhoony wrote:
Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:If I was that role (I'm not), I'd probably be pissed at you for saying you think that.
And yet... you are badgering me to claim.
If you want to say you think I'm a cop, feel free

Lol, I can see we are just going around in circles.

OK - I feel very badgered and I'm actually kind of pissed off at you that I'm doing this.

I'm a cop. The reason I said to Mac he could track me all he wanted and he would never see me target the person who died is because, like, even as not the killer I literally can't target the person who dies.

But I shouldn't have had to SAY this. I don't like that you basically force me to admit I'm a cop or else you will scum-read me.

juliets wrote:Typh regarding you asking who i would vote, I just made a post re: how i feel like I have no body to vote. I won't vote you or Dom or Golden at this time. The only person I have any small inkling to vote would be Matt for not letting DH respond to accusations before voting him but thats a mighty slim reason. This is really just a condensed version of the post I made. Maybe you missed it.

Don't you think that seems like Matt, though?

I felt like people were far too hasty to clear Matt after the Nerolunar lynch. Back then, I felt he could well be bad. But, over time, for example his unflinching suspicion of people like TH and MP despite all evidence to the contrary. I just came out of all of that feeling like this is normal Matt.

I could see Matt as inmate though.

Typhoony wrote:If I was that role (I'm not), I'd probably be pissed at you for saying you think that.

And yet... you are badgering me to claim.

Typhoony wrote:Civvies thoughts will progress and evolve as the game goes on. They start with 0 knowledge. As information (ie posts etc) gets dropped in the thread, they will learn more about the game. Their thoughts can and will change more often.
Baddies' thoughts less so, simply because they have more knowledge at the start of the game and generally have a better grip on what is going on.

Whats your point? On day zero, for example, I was pursuing MP and enrique to the ends of the earth, determined they were my top suspects. Now they are two of my top town reads. I put SVS through the ringer and came out the other side feeling she might be civ after all. Are you honestly trying to tell me my opinions haven't changed at all?

Typhoony, you are completely wrong about me, but you are someone I think would know my game style relatively well, so I think you ought to be able to think about this twice. I think you've been so hung up in this concept that I would be open about my role but this is just not something I'd be willing to do in any circumstances. Not because I'm mafia. Not because I'm an inmate. Just because I'm not willing to do it. If you move past the fact that you suspect me for that, I think you'll recognise that I've played a very open game where I have shared heaps of reads and they have absolutely moved organically as the game has moved.

juliets wrote:I am not having very much luck today on who to vote for. Someone else said this and I feel similarly that my leaning bad reads are all gone. There has been evidence brought about DH but he has not been around since Friday to respond to it. I don't agree right now with either Typh or Dom being bad. I understand what your saying Golden but I can't suspect someone off of your gut reads. I'm not seeing Golden bad either. Equivocate and ekenat haven't been here to send in kills, and Bass its hard to say because the field that tells the last time you were here in his profile is blank. So anyway, you get the picture. I'm tempted to vote Matt for not letting DH respond before voting him but that seems like a small reason to vote someone. If anyone has other ideas I'd love to hear them (btw I've noticed DH, SVS, and Enrique haven't been here this phase. I could see one of them being silenced but all three? Enrique said he would have declining participating but nothing during the whole phase?).

Yeah, this is basically how I feel.

I'm thinking I'm not feeling Typh because I'm beginning to perhaps see light on what his angle is on me. I think he may be Montoya.

Typhoony wrote:
Golden wrote: My point is that a cop would have zero reason to intentionally design that sentence in a very specific way.
Why?

Because you, with a cop being the last civ role that you can basically be, would have no need to hide that fact.[/quote]

What need do I have to be open about it either?

I disagree that a cop is the 'last civ role I can basically be'. As I already pointed out.

I could be slotting someone in to another role to make the baddies believe I'm not it.
I could be lying straight up about not being any particular role, just as anyone else would.

You seem to ignore the fact that I just don't want to role hint as being a perfectly reasonable explanation. I don't want to role hint. I've made this clear from the start, that it is something I will not do.

Any inference you draw is your own, and I will not confirm or deny it, no matter how much you might harangue me to.

@Typh - I just don't give a flying f how it appears my thoughts are evolving. Perhaps if I were bad I might put more effort into making them appear to be evolving naturally. Can you recall anyone ever calling me out when I'm bad for the appearance of my thoughts not evolving naturally? Why would you see this as making me bad?

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