The Syndicate

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:58 pm But I could see how writing that is not something one could do while living in other places. I guess I'm somewhat unspoiled in that regard.
Either way, as I am the CW now and I'm not going to vote myself, here we go.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

More of a counter-unicycle at this point.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:01 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm Michelle, my POE is currently:

You
Bea
Quin
DF
SVS

My towncore includes Sloonei, Vivax, Eloh and Kate.

Wilgy and sig are not in my PoE and I have town reads on them but if there's mafia who are not in my PoE, I think it's those two.

(And I spent far too long trying to work out why that didn't add up to 12 people).
Can you explain them with a sentence for each one?
I am mostly curious about me and Faraday.

Also I have Wilgy in my town core.

Well it’s a poe… by definition they’re more people I haven’t eliminated from my suspicion rather than having a sentence I can say about each. You, for example, I desperately need to iso.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.
Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?
NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?
Do you think it does?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:56 am Very interesting. NAA gets G-man to briefly forget his commitment to the letter V. Does this tell us anything about their relationship? It suggests that G-man is responding very naturally without giving it thought. That could suggest that his guard is completely down here, and he is not overly conscious of his interaction with NAA/Vivax. That would be a positive look for the slot. It could also be that he was trying to put on a laid back, nonchalant affect, and went too far. I'm inclined to say this is a very slightly positive look for NAA/Vivax. But I'm gonna toss it out in the thread right now to give it more attention.

Thanks. I'm just doing my catch up.

You've probably also answered this too, but when you did your original G-Man iso... and clearly in the quote above too... you came out slightly favourably towards vivax, but now it appears you are sussing him based on G-Man's side (acknowledging you haven't read Vivax's side yet), so what has shifted for you?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:35 am Waking up to Douche votes on Yu was an unexpected shock.

This was also an unexpected shock. Waking up to four votes on you*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm Sloonei - "I'm not done with my associative reads, it's just that I'm up to Golden and fuck that shit."

(Probably not true, just feels like a theme when people play games with me lol).
I was honestly just gonna skip you, tbh.

OK so pretty close to true lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.
Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?
NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?

Do you think it does?

Sloonei - "I'm not done with my associative reads, it's just that I'm up to Golden and fuck that shit."

(Probably not true, just feels like a theme when people play games with me lol).

@Kate I might have missed it but do you have a current read of S~V~S?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:28 pm Wilgy cast the deciding vote to send G-man over. The Doctor can be town.

And... I've started my catch up from night 3 finally, and this is a very good look on Wilgy. So... scrub that last post, Wilgy can be fully in my town core.

I have a role in mind for Wilgy as well but I'm not as confident on that as I am on some other peeps.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:04 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.
I find this hard to believe. Even before G-Man's flip you gave off the impression of having me in your PoE at all times.
That doesn't mean I had a clear read on you.

Why are mum and dad fighting

Michelle, my POE is currently:

You
Bea
Quin
DF
SVS

My towncore includes Sloonei, Vivax, Eloh and Kate.

Wilgy and sig are not in my PoE and I have town reads on them but if there's mafia who are not in my PoE, I think it's those two.

(And I spent far too long trying to work out why that didn't add up to 12 people).

My vivax read begins as a town read of NAA, whose behaviour on day one, though frustrating at times, ultimately didn’t feel like it had a mafia explanation,

Then the vivax who came back went from that vibe of ‘boy, I swing back and forth on you, sometimes you seem supatown and sometimes dodgy’… which was explained by his flip… to something that seems mostly supatown and lost those elements that were pinging me. The difference between vivax 1.0 and 2.0 is notable to me.

When he re-entered the thread he proposed a town core that I hard passed on in terms of the people in it, but I thought it was a good look.

Just generally he’s one of my upper echelon of town reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:44 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.
I will not be voting vivax.
Talk about your Vivax read, please.

I think he’s town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:29 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.
If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.
The MU hammers are not my favourite. But the last time I played there I was mafia and manipulated a couple of hammers to my ends to win.

There’s a philosophical thing going on here about the purpose of a vote that I find frustrating but it also feeds in to why I like non-changeable votes to begin with.
I never played with locked votes except lylo and I would probably adapt to it.
Seems less fun tbh
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:30 pm Also, hi Michelle. I don’t think I’ve interacted with you before. Maybe on say one, but if so I don’t remember. Nice to meet you, to me you are a vacuum in my reads and I intend to change that.
Hi ^^
Vacuum is a way to say you don't have a read for me, right? When you reach a conclusion ping me with it.

Maybe you talked about and I didn't read, what's your Poe?

Locked votes aren’t less fun, they’re just don’t different.?it’s like watching a psychological thriller instead of an action movie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

I will not be voting vivax.

Question… if you’re so passionate Sloonei is bad, what’s the basis for your bea vote? Surely in a world where g-man suicided to save baddie Sloonei, bea voting Sloonei could ruin that plan.

I see bea as bad because I see Sloonei as town.

Conversely, is it possible g didn’t try to suicide, he just tried to use bea to achieve the save?

So let me say, I could absolutely be wrong about Sloonei. I believe in my read, but I’m not trying to say ‘I’m right, you’re wrong.’ I’ll try and find you an exchange I had with Sloonei earlier that really solidified it for me.

SVS, I finally *get* your perspective on Sloonei. As in, why you feel so strongly about it.

Also, yes I have changed or at least I’m trying to change. I’d like to be less abrasive than I used to be, more fun. Less likely to tunnel people all the way to the centre of the earth, more likely to let other people have their space in the thread and not consume so much of the air.

As much as I am espousing counterwagons as a town move because you can catch mafia when the vote is close, I also think there’s a mafia mindset that can lead you to the same place, which is literally trying to save teammate bea.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:50 am ebwop,

"The attorney comment was on one HAND a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious OF ME, more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Quin is a bea counterwagon I could get behind.

Him swooping in at the same time I did and echoing what I said was freaky. And I found the attorney thing not only funny but also kinda accurate.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:46 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:10 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?
Did it go anywhere?
Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir
Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.
I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.
I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.
@Vivax I love your avatar, when my Dad was younger he looked like Scarface era Pacino, so I always like me a good Pacino picture!

When we were in early days here, before the RYM influx, some of us were visiting various sites and playing there, looking for recruits. I played at this one site where I questioned them for lynching a low poster Day One, instead of trying harder to find suspects, and they lynched me instead

Apparently voting low posters Day One was their norm unless there was a red flag. I was the flag. I loathe default low poster voting, and I tend to find people pushing for low posters suspicious. But it would seem that that is not universally the case.

I don't know Vivax, and I can't get a grip on his game. He often seems to be on the same page as me, then he says/does something I don't understand. In which case I back away and watch more. Which is the lesson I took from that other site (I think it was Medieval or King Arthur themed, something like that). Everyone does things differently, give strangers some room, and try to understand them (things which those Arthurians did not do for me ) I expect the same courtesy be extended to me to some extent, but I'm a hybrid. I was the second member, and I was Admin here for several years. Now I'm a flitter in and out, who plays a game or two a year, and I would say the majority of the active players never "met" me. I also have troubles discerning humor coming from people I don't know. Not always sure if kidding or not, like Vivax' murder/crocodile tears post. I spent way more time than was healthy trying to decide if that was a joke or a chat room slip.

So maybe voting low posters is the norm in Vivaxville

So yes, Golden, I would not expect this vote from you, but I am thinking of the you you were several years ago. You might be a different you today. So when you got huffy and indignant at being challenged, I backed off, becasue that was a Golden I knew. I was a bit more at Quin inserting himself into the discussion. The attorney comment was on one had a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Golden, one question, re Sloonei. If not for that role slot, would you feel differently? Because I also thought of G Man trying to set Sloonei up for a lynch as a possible reasoning behind his behavior. But it really looked to me like G Man committed suicide, he didn't even try to live at any point after Sloonei started taking votes. At the point where it was tied, even a civvie saving themself would move their vote. He never even did that.

It really looked like suicide, and I know G Man doesn't love being bad, but I can't ever see him suiciding like that for no reason. And I really am having a problem finding a reason for that in a world where Sloonei is a civ. From a baddie viewpoint, why would they sacrifice 1/4 of their strength to save a strong civ player like Sloonei?

Also while looking for smilies I found this guy! I used to love him!

I picked up the role hint from Sloonei so early that I haven’t been able to divorce the two, and I’ll admit I haven’t done any deep dive on Sloonei.

But I do feel confident I’m right on this one.

That wasn’t a bullsuit moment. Duck was a typo.

And oh duck I’m doing the preaching golden thing I’m trying to avoid and I’m sorry

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

Bea has entered antispew and it’s clear to me that forming a meaningful counterwagon to catch mafia who might try to save her has failed.

For the future, I do think it’s worthwhile people keeping in mind that voting in a game with changeable votes is not necessarily equivalent to having suspicion, and that it’s freaking hard to create viable counterwagons for mafia to jump on and expose themselves when people jump to conclusions. This is how bea was caught to begin with.

It’s good to ask me why I voted somewhere. It’s more challenging if the rationale for my vote (some kind of deep suspicion) is assumed. I’m always good at explaining my votes eventually. It would have been nice if there’d been some time where the mafia could believe my vote might stay on DF today. Never mind.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?
Did it go anywhere?
Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir
Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.
I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.

Also, I just isoed Kate and even putting aside the post I just made, I also feel like the thread all feels like civ Kate too. And it reminded me of how happy playing with Kate has always made me

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Ok, so I read back and found something and… facepalm moment… I had seen it before and noticed it then but because it was while I was very busy it hasn’t stuck in my brain. Day 3/night 3 were a write off in terms of retention.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?
Did it go anywhere?
Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:48 am I only caught one voting with me on the garbo wagon that I‘m on, Sloonei still only seems to spot me on the playerlist which is unfortunate.

Ah well

You are like if rabbit was doing an impression of me.

I like you a lot, but I think it’s funny that you and I made the exact same move.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:44 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:01 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.
@Kate here are my sloon/g-man thoughts.

Also because I’ve been so absent I couldn’t figure out when or on what page I posted this so I had to iso myself. Guys, I’m sorry for all the times you’ve isoed me over the years.
But, if I understand your posts, option 1 is highly unlikely?

My view is option one is highly unlikely.

Day* one

Also, hi Michelle. I don’t think I’ve interacted with you before. Maybe on say one, but if so I don’t remember. Nice to meet you, to me you are a vacuum in my reads and I intend to change that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.
If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

The MU hammers are not my favourite. But the last time I played there I was mafia and manipulated a couple of hammers to my ends to win.

There’s a philosophical thing going on here about the purpose of a vote that I find frustrating but it also feeds in to why I like non-changeable votes to begin with.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.
Also in respect of your question about Sloonei.

My read of Sloonei is kinda like the read you think I should have on you.
Can you reformulate the last sentence for me please?

I have Sloonei in a specific civ role on my (metaphorical) spreadsheet.

Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.

@Kate here are my sloon/g-man thoughts.

Also because I’ve been so absent I couldn’t figure out when or on what page I posted this so I had to iso myself. Guys, I’m sorry for all the times you’ve isoed me over the years.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:37 pm Night 3 legacy rainbow! Just in case.

Elo
Kate
Vivax2.0
Golden
DrWilgy
SVS
Michelle
sig
Sloonei
DFaraday
Quin
bea

Oh look scotty dropped a legacy rainbow. Interesting.

Also scotty this game is less fun without you.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Also in respect of your question about Sloonei.

My read of Sloonei is kinda like the read you think I should have on you.

Btw Kate I *vibe* you town but that is not the same thing as me having paid close attention to your posts.

I have had to choose where to focus my attention in this game, and you’ve not pinged me so I’ve never focused it on you.

It’s that time in the game where I can’t be satisfied with myself if my read is merely vibe, so I actually do have to go back and read you.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

I’ll go looking then!

I am trying to do as much of that stuff as I can but I was never going to come in and be able to participate at the rate I used to.

I did post a second explanation for g, I’ll see if I can find it for you.

Also svs, genuine lol at the ‘is Quin your attorney’ stuff.

Quin coming in right after me with the same thing skeeves me out.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

Ping me if you like, but I’m not picking who I vote for based on how much you like it.

I didn’t like your vote on Sloonei yesterday and i think he’s town but did the fact you started a counterwagon give us valuable info? Yes, I think it did, if bea is bad it’s literally caught us a baddie.

So I think you should recognise the utility of my vote with the goal of creating a viable counterwagon beyond whether you agree with my suspicion.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:31 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm I vote for [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine.
Do you think faraday is bad? I don’t. Who do you think is bad other than Bea? I’d rather counterwagon on someone trending bad.
I think he *could* be bad and I’m interested to see what develops from it.

But besides that, he was the only person other than bea who had any votes at all.

And I heard he had a flurry of activity but I haven’t read it yet.
All of us *could* be bad. But do you have reason to think this person is bad? I have reason to think he is not. He is not one of the people I would aggressively defend, but surely you suspect someone more than Faraday?

Linki @Golden sure I have people I suspect, but you’ve been here longer. You don’t have any suggestions of your own? Your top suspicion is a low poster?

There’s quite a number of people I want to investigate who, because of my absence over the last few days, I don’t feel like I have a sense of right now.

DF is one of them. So is bea. So is Michelle. So are you. So is Quin. So is Kate.

I feel good about Sloonei, vivax, wilgy, eloh and sig. i notice bea said she didn’t know she was being punished either so I’m not bothered about/scum-reading sig not knowing at this point.

I’ll do my best to do a reads list before end of day. But although I have been here ‘longer than you’, it’s apparent you’ve been really engaged in this period where I haven’t been able to.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:14 pm I am looking at a 7 person wagon with 24 hours left to go and wondering 'what have we learned today'?

There's scum on that wagon. Something for me to look at when I'm home from work.
Is there an echo in here?

No, you just farted.

Because of the extra space you left for a second I thought you quoted me and said nothing and that would have been an A-tier response.

I don’t think it’s helpful to say ‘there is scum on the wagon. Or ‘there’s no scum on the wagon’. Either could be true, and I think it’s a false dichotomy.

The true part is that we’ll learn nothing. Regardless of whether there is scum on bea *now*, there’s no way of getting information about that without a viable counterwagon.

By the way @S~V~S I’m open to alternate suggestions.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:14 pm I am looking at a 7 person wagon with 24 hours left to go and wondering 'what have we learned today'?

There's scum on that wagon. Something for me to look at when I'm home from work.

Is there an echo in here?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm I vote for [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine.
Do you think faraday is bad? I don’t. Who do you think is bad other than Bea? I’d rather counterwagon on someone trending bad.

I think he *could* be bad and I’m interested to see what develops from it.

But besides that, he was the only person other than bea who had any votes at all.

And I heard he had a flurry of activity but I haven’t read it yet.

Like* no counterwagon

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