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by Golden
Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:08 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 4]

Ok, my time is a little my own again. I’m going to start catching up over the rest of the day. I’ll start from night 3 and then go back to day three later (I think the post-flip stuff is probably quite valuable).

Re the bea wagon… I see the case is out there but the most I know about it yet is really focused on her choosing to tie the poll by voting Sloonei. The case may well be right, but personally I don’t live no counterwagon… there’s no pressure that would cause mafia to make hard decisions. Doubt we’d learn much from this.

For clarity for the more old school peeps… this would worry me less if votes weren’t changeable because you’d probably see the baddies delaying and not committing to an early bus. With changeable votes there’s no reason not to be on the wagon now, they can always off-ramp if they need to.
by Golden
Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:03 am
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 4]

@Scotty or @thellama73 you should try asking for a rez pls
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:59 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 4]

To be honest it was a complete shock to me that every single person didn’t count out of day one with a consensus read on who rev mafia is. I think it’s fucking obvious.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:56 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 4]

Vivax wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:16 pm Sig looks townie to me. Latest posts are of a good vibe. Appreciate the occasional joke on the side.

Quin I just realized had questions I didn‘t answer yet (sorry about that, I‘m a bit erratic at times), but I can almost sense an odd disappointment at not being read as scum. Or maybe I‘m just imagining it.

Seems to be opinionated enough to be town for today imo.
I am maybe biased in reading boldness that superficially look bad as a townie thing. Bea‘s late vote feels like such a thing.

But I think SVS mentioned it‘s more of a NAI thing for her.

p-edit: Hmm, I don‘t. I could try to guess who revolution mafia is. I have an idea, but even if correct, calling the switch unsurprising suggests you work from a framework where you can be more confident about what transpired, which is mafia indicative.
How much role madness have you played?

Also, yes, I thought you had an idea who rev mafia is. I have an idea who it is too. Pretty confident your idea and my idea are the same. And if that person is ever under lynch pressure, you will see me defend them hard.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:05 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 1]

Vivax wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:42 pm
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:27 pm I’m entirely unsurprised the lynch was switched but glad it was to a good target. Vivax being Indy makes a tonne of sense in hindsight.
I was going a bit over Golden again and am now puzzled why it‘s unsurprising to him that the lynch was switched.

Old matter, I know. But am left wondering if this isn‘t a slip about Eloh and Sloon being town, if they are.
Do you have a solid theory about why the lynch was switched?
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:48 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

Honestly I s been vibing with wilgys antics this game more than any other. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but his licking feels like a representation of having read something that has lead to a read and then when he describes their taste in putting that on a taste rainbow chart.

I just generally have felt good about wilgy
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:46 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

Scotty wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:33 pm I think DrWilgy looks even better if we remember that one player didn’t have a vote. I still don’t know if that player doesn’t know they don’t have a vote, but Wilgy decisively putting over GMan with +2 is a pretty good sign just in case one of the other 4 voters (not counting Rico) didn’t have a working vote.
Please. Wilgy does not look better.

He tastes better.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:44 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

sig wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:17 pm
Scotty wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:13 pm
Kate wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:50 am
Elohcin wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:38 am
S~V~S wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:15 am Addendum to the post about why G Mans bad team wouldn’t try to lynch someone else.

This is driving me nuts. I’m trying to figure out why a bad team wouldn’t try to start a third wagon if both Sloon and G were bad, or try harder to pile on Sloonei if only G was bad.

Maybe he was alone, or only had one teammate there? Like others were low posters or had time zone issues?

Because I’ve been playing Mafia a long time and have never seen a baddie with an alternative train do … nothing. I’m spitballing about maybe low posters etc because I just don’t understand Gs behavior there.
Yes, this makes sense. Thinking back on g-man's play, it seems like he was doing just enough to try to get by trying to look civ without rocking the boat too much to gain suspicion. As if he were going it pretty much alone and trying to hold it all together. This doesn't help alleviate my gut suspicion of DH, now SVS. And neither does SVS' lack of voting Gman. I don't know why I can't shake it. Does ANYone else feel the same way?
I don't. She's got her kid gloves on in a sense, when it comes to Bea, but bea is looking more and more bad to me and svs noticed that right away. If she were bad, I believe she'd shy away from accusing bea at all. Also, she can read me like a newspaper, and I've never seen a bad svs defend a civ me as well as she has here.
This is exactly my thought.

In a world where Sloonei is civ, bea voting not only to tie the game with a self-professed poor read on the game at large, but to potentially save GMan is a double red flag.
bea wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:15 pm I can see early game reasons why one might feel that way and have before. I think DH was there in frustration before he subbed out. But I tend to agree wirh you on that point viv.
This is responding to Viv’s comment that a civ should never be fine getting miselimmed, which is what GMan was doing.
Then, 20 minutes later:
bea wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:34 pm I am a confused and no lies feel like any vote I make is rushed and illinformed.

Also i missed why svs voted sloon? It looked in the thread like she sused gman.
bea wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:35 pm Dgoing with the tie. I hope rev knows better than i do. :(
Nothing in that progression makes sense. Does a civ bea have to make sense? No, but I’d expect a better explanation for doing 2 nakedly hedgey and scummy things.

bea is mafia for these actions alone.
This is pretty damning my only issue with Bea is her lack of voting and curse the following day. I’d think the mafia would be more on top of that? Of course that could also serve as a good strategy for a one day pass BUT she wasn’t being suspected then anyway.

I don’t really recall Bea’s neta so I’m a bit worried this may be another Lorab style vote so if any older players could chime in I’d appreciate it

@Kate @Golden @S~V~S
Oh I really do have to sheep Kate and svs on Beas meta, as previously discussed I think I’m inclined towards always seeing town bea.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:43 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

sig wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:10 pm
Golden wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:35 am
sig wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:39 pm Random initial thoughts

Major pings for the people who voted/advocates for my lynch when I was cursed and extra eyes for golden trying to nitpick verbiage on me saying cursed.

I’m never going to be super active if I’m cursed since frankly it seems like a waste of time and the majority of people don’t bother to read those posts. It’s just clutter.

So I wrote a giant thing here about how the hosts wouldn’t do that blah blah blah then read this
Golden wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:29 pm I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.
SO this makes it even more boggling that Golden would attempt to vote for me and cast shade my way? Like it was pretty clear I wasn’t active jumped in day 3 and was posting. Nobody bothered to call this out for me (especially the people who caught it or were suspecting me should’ve) if anything this actually makes me feel worse about Golden then when I was just reading as I went and thought he was speculating.

And piggybacking on that I’d almost 100% clear Bea and DF for the time being based ONLY off the fact they didn’t vote. I think someone on the mafia team would’ve read that and ensured everyone voted to avoid that.


It seems like he was just trying to find an easy vote/start a counter wagon and that didn’t work so he hopped back into another wagon.

SVS is rewriting my faith in DH slot the main issue I had was the self vote which is why I parked myself their initially.
Not trying to do a DH here, but basically everything you claim I was doing is contradicted by what actually happened.

I never pressed for a vote for you. I pressure voted you to get your head out if your arse and get you to post cursed. It was evident it failed. Waking up to Douche votes on Yu was an unexpected shock. Your ‘noone reads cursed posts’ is weak, and an easy place for mafia to hide, and you don’t get to avoid that scrutiny. Bea managed to contribute, so can you.

But when I actually had time to read some things and read your iso, it looked decent.

There was no grand plan to lead some wagon on you. I even said today based on my availability I was more likely to sheep.

And I didn’t make semantic arguments. I didn’t know whether you’d know why you were cursed. I just asked people whether they thought your knowledge of it was alignment indicative.

Now, a question for you - very basic one. Did you know why you were cursed?
Nope. I assumed the Vomp role cursed me as was the running theory last time I checked in.

And it kinda is a semantic argument if you’re saying I wasn’t “cursed” but punished like it’s still a curse.

Also I’ll go to my grave saying this you can’t be a productive player in thread if your cursed with anything. And trying to be so shouldn’t give you civ points if anything it’s more scummy then just dipping
I did not, even once, say you weren’t cursed. I just said that accusing me of being the curser when it was clearly self-inflicted (ie, a punishment… still a curse), stood out to me.

I thought I’d learn something by you responding to my question but ultimately I realise it’s all wifom… I’m still interested in Beas answer to my question on the subject.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:38 am
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:04 pm If we murder DFaraday after that I have my crocodile tear gland on the ready
This is an A tier post
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:35 am
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

sig wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:39 pm Random initial thoughts

Major pings for the people who voted/advocates for my lynch when I was cursed and extra eyes for golden trying to nitpick verbiage on me saying cursed.

I’m never going to be super active if I’m cursed since frankly it seems like a waste of time and the majority of people don’t bother to read those posts. It’s just clutter.

So I wrote a giant thing here about how the hosts wouldn’t do that blah blah blah then read this
Golden wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:29 pm I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.
SO this makes it even more boggling that Golden would attempt to vote for me and cast shade my way? Like it was pretty clear I wasn’t active jumped in day 3 and was posting. Nobody bothered to call this out for me (especially the people who caught it or were suspecting me should’ve) if anything this actually makes me feel worse about Golden then when I was just reading as I went and thought he was speculating.

And piggybacking on that I’d almost 100% clear Bea and DF for the time being based ONLY off the fact they didn’t vote. I think someone on the mafia team would’ve read that and ensured everyone voted to avoid that.


It seems like he was just trying to find an easy vote/start a counter wagon and that didn’t work so he hopped back into another wagon.

SVS is rewriting my faith in DH slot the main issue I had was the self vote which is why I parked myself their initially.
Not trying to do a DH here, but basically everything you claim I was doing is contradicted by what actually happened.

I never pressed for a vote for you. I pressure voted you to get your head out if your arse and get you to post cursed. It was evident it failed. Waking up to Douche votes on Yu was an unexpected shock. Your ‘noone reads cursed posts’ is weak, and an easy place for mafia to hide, and you don’t get to avoid that scrutiny. Bea managed to contribute, so can you.

But when I actually had time to read some things and read your iso, it looked decent.

There was no grand plan to lead some wagon on you. I even said today based on my availability I was more likely to sheep.

And I didn’t make semantic arguments. I didn’t know whether you’d know why you were cursed. I just asked people whether they thought your knowledge of it was alignment indicative.

Now, a question for you - very basic one. Did you know why you were cursed?
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:24 am
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

sig wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:00 pm Also I’m not sure if I said this in my mega posts but I’m leaning toward the two initially cursed players as civs don’t think mafia would just let that happen to them.

I also think the fact golden tried to grow a wagon on me in part because of my curse is highly sus he was also a later jump onto the Gman wagon so like no civ points there
It was not at all ‘because of your curse’ but because you chose to say you wouldn’t contribute because of your curse even though it was self-inflicted.
by Golden
Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:22 am
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Night 3]

Just popped in to see the outcome. Very happy, feels like one successful lynch might break the game open.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:58 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Ok, time I must go, don’t know whether I’ll get back before eod or not.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:54 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:51 pm But I also do not think my answer to Scotty's latest question should be earth-shattering. I'd said similar things multiple times before now.
I haven’t kept up with the thread on day 3. It was the first thing I saw that was so blunt, at least.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:53 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:47 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:33 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:58 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:54 pm @Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?
I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.
@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c
First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.
Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.
Did you feel like you had a clear understanding on why I had a town read of you?
I did not think it was so reliant on certain aspects as to call the read into question if those aspects disappeared. I also was not in a position to argue with you about your read on me.
Ok, I don’t think this is unfair. Worldview partially restored.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:48 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

I ISO’d sig. a couple of takeaways.

1) I remembered why I town read him day one. There’s some genuine solvey/read stuff in there.

2) he posted more than it felt like to me on day 2 (twelve times). If I had been guessing I would have said twice.

3) there’s a decent chunk of wifom going on… like ‘if Sloonei flips bad I wish I’d stayed on him for the civ cred’, stuff like that… I think if sig is bad there’s plenty of hints of where to look.

That being said, overall my read of the iso relaxes me a bit. Interested still on Beas thoughts on the curse.

Overall - iso of G-man made me feel worse
Iso of sig made me feel better.

Feel like I’m showing up late to the party and all the cake is gone but:

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:33 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:58 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:54 pm @Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?
I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.
@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c
First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.
Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.
Did you feel like you had a clear understanding on why I had a town read of you?
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Honestly I don’t have time for this shit lol

Scotty you’ve thrown my worldview of the game out the window and I don’t have time to fix it before the vote. I bite my thumb at thee. (But also, I do appreciate you pointing out something salient when I can’t read everything).
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:33 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:58 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:54 pm @Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?
I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.
@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c
First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:27 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

I showered on it… I think I tend to agree it’s NAI and interrogation might get further clarity.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:24 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

S~V~S wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:19 pm TBH, if I have a posting requirement I call it a curse regardless of who afflicted me with it. Another player or host induced punishments alike.
He accused me of being the curser, specifically, so slightly different than merely calling it a curse.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:58 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:46 pm @bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)
Also q for the crowd ahead of a bea response…

If sig genuinely thinks he’s been cursed by a third party at this point, is that AI?

If sig knows he’s been punished for not voting, is calling it a curse AI?
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:53 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

He did also iso nearly everyone else.

The town read on me and sloon was not long before he did the isos.

The POE was after he finished the isos.

So the changed read on us really sticks out to me when I iso him.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:50 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

S~V~S wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:47 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:38 pm Eh, I probably should have edited out more of those quotes. I underlined the salient bits, hopefully it's clear.
Actually those points of G Mans are what give me pause about him. Because in some ways I don’t disagree. I also think there is probably a baddie in You/Quin/Sloonei. Right now I’m leaning towards Sloonei. I felt this way having just spectated the thread, and you have ameliorated it to some extent

linki @Sloonei wete talking about who we would vote for if the rezz were triggered.
The point is not so much the concept itself, as the fact that he never isos me or Sloonei but he vaccilates on his read with no apparent explanation beyond ‘there’s probably a mafia in the high posters’.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:48 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:46 pm *Golden seems momentarily unaware that llama is dead.

Llama should be aware of his own death.
Deep philosophical question
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:47 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 2]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:45 pm
Golden wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:50 pm
S~V~S wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:34 pm Do you still feel this way, as opposed to say, Llama? Llama had a ton of content.

I'm going to read a bit, be on and off.
I’d vote for llama at this point.

Wanting fingersplints back was more an emotional response to losing a friend too soon.

But llama was my top town read (read alone, there are others I have as town based on placing them in specific roles. No clue on llama’s role).

I also think splints is more likely a wifom kill and llama more likely a defensive kill, could be wrong but that’s my instinct.
I noticed a potential Golden townslip yesterday but didn't say anything because I figured it wasn't necessary, and there was a chance he was fishing. Llama seems to be at least momentarily unaware that llama is dead. I feel like this is less likely to happen if he was one of the people responsible for butchering the llama.
As much as I’d love credit for a townslip, I knew llama was dead. That’s a convo about the rez poll.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:46 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

@bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:42 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

sig wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:39 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:59 pm I didn’t see the poll first and I’ve not expressed any discomfort in voting sig in the least, *especially* given he followed through on ignoring the day.
Slomy muvi iothir carsir ur mefoe lien


[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

sii yua ell pust carsi ixpict bog bog pust (meybi)
Hmm. Initial reaction:

"Sig doesn't know he cursed himself, then? Or is that what I'm supposed to feel."
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:40 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

I'm gonna sig iso on my commute and then make a final call, but it won't involved pretty multi-quotes (thanks for the guide to doing that). I feel pretty good about a switch to G-Man based on that read.

Also, I just noticed at some point sig voted for me. Come on sig, the least you could do is make a thread post voting for geldin.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:38 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Eh, I probably should have edited out more of those quotes. I underlined the salient bits, hopefully it's clear.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:37 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 2]

OK, maybe I'm a bit self-centred, but I can't help but notice G-Man's obsession with me and sloonei (and scotty to some, but a lesser, extent) - but without poking the bear too much. This progression goes from day one to day three, and I don't *think* I've omitted anything that explains it. There's certainly no evidence of, say, isos to progress the reads on sloonei or myself.
G-Man wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:20 pmI want to chop a baddie today, but if we have to mischop, then I'd rather we be wrong about a player whose interactions we can parse through for clues than someone who leaves us stranded in a field with a bag of sand to pound.
G-Man wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.
G-Man wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:03 pm Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.
G-Man wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:14 pm
Variations on a Read List, Part 1
by G-Man


When I left off, I was trying to form a towncore. What I was left with sucks, even for a starter kit:

Towncore:

-bea
-thellama73

That's it, and it is so not adequate enough for this stage of the game. I like the looseness of Llama's play. He gets a little more serious when it matters, but he never gets too srsbsnss to the point that it feels forced. Bea's return to the game had a very good look to it. She spent a day with a posting quirk but her return shows that she didn't just use that as an excuse to take a day off. She showed that she was paying attention. I would expect a baddie at her prior level of activity to use that quirk to coast and just come back apologetic about checking out for too long.

I'd like to take this time to add to the conversation that my initial hunch on Bea's posting quirk had something to do with one of the Socky awards. The Socky has a few awards at their disposal, but we don't know what they do. My guess is that this role is like a Jack of All Trades and has a quiver of 1-shot power uses. The likeliest match would be Best Gambit. We won't know for sure until endgame though. It certainly could be the Vomp role, but I guess LoRab's death means we won't be getting anything more than E out of those tildes.



Civ-Leans:

-Eloh
-Golden
-Scotty
-Sloonei


I still feel like the suspicion of Eloh was overblown on D1. There was some speculation later about a townslip but I have to read back more for that. The other three all sound so darn supatown but I have to confess that I can't keep them straight in my head when reading the thread. ISO's will help. I don't know if it's a processing issue on my brain's part, but all their super-sleuthing voices run together in my head. It is frustrating and I don't know how to break myself of it. It happens in just about every game that I play- voices just merge in my head and I struggle to distinguish them as individuals. ISO'ing these folks is no picnic either, as they have posted an outsized share of the game thread. I still maintain that there's bound to be a baddie among the most talkative players. There almost always is. Otherwise the talkative players would eventually harmonize and the poe becomes simpler. Maybe there's more to distinguish them since this morning.
G-Man wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:28 am Vocal players are vocal. Here's my two cents:

-Scotty should be in everyone's towncore. His logic and non-emotional approach is what is needed to win the game. Fight me.

-DH's emotions got the better of him and I just don't see that coming from a baddie DH who wasn't cornered yet. S~V~S (*waves*) made a good point about how DH would use the baddie chat to vent. If you have a chat, that's where one vents to keep you from going all Johnny Fairplay with the AtE. I read DH as town and S~V~S gets a heaping portion of benefit of the doubt as a result. I haven't seen anything tricksy from her yet, and I've witnessed her tricksy firsthand before.

-I said a while back that there's got to be a baddie among the big talkers or else this game would harmonize. That leaves Sloonei and Golden. Since my efforts are already eliciting snickers and eyerolls, I suspect my name is the only real option on the chopping block today. That's fine. Take that and learn from it, but be sure to Thunderdome Sloonei and Golden at some point soon, because one of them has to be bad or this game is whack. Golden got a little emotional right back at DH Night 2, and Sloonei is the inverse- that sort of emotionless Spock thing.

All four of these folks are game-solving (which is what I was going for when I said supatown- don't get hung up on semantics), but there's gotta be a baddie in there. Weeding out Scotty and DH/S~V~S, and that pushes both Sloonei and Golden into the poe for Thunderdome.


Not the POE (because Towncore is apparently too strong a term for casual use):
-Bea
-DH/S~V~S
-Eloh
-Kate
-Scotty
-Sig
-VivAxe


POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy
-Golden the Coward
-Michelle
-Quin
-Sloonei


All names are in alphabetical order. I can parse through my notes in the morning to try to rank them in a more concrete fashion. Right now I need sleep (and a new dehumidifier).
G-Man is consistently coming back to this idea of 'a high poster may be bad' but he never justifies it with a read, it's just consistently articulated as though it must be true and that's where people should look.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:28 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 2]

G-Man wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:35 pm Vamoosing for a bit to get some work done (because, like it or not, playing mafia doesn't pay the bills). Here's where my ISO's stand so far:

Towncore:
-Bea
-Eloh
-G-Man
-Kate

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy


More to come tonight.
It always gives me the heebie-jeebies when someone puts themself in their own town core.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:23 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

G-Man wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:29 pm Very early groupings from a Day 1 dunce:

I'm not inclined to chop anyone with a lower post count than myself, so that means a stay of execution for LoRab, DF, and Kate for now. Let them establish themselves for at least the night phase and we'll see what shakes out.

I feel good about Llama, so he's off the list for now as well. I don't see what some folks are seeing in Eloh (who has been classic mischop bait in the past).

Vivax is shiny and new to me, so I'm inclined to give them the BOTD for now.

I feel like chopping from the top half of the post count will yield the most content to pick through, so that leaves me with a prospective list of Scotty, Sloonei, Golden the Coward, DH, bea, Michelle, and NAA.

Seeing that the Rez Plz event includes only players who die without flipping, I might hesitate to mischop a few of those names because of their potential utility as rezzable civs. I hope that you all can make my decision-making process easier on me by doing things that sort you all out a little more by the time I'm eating my breakfast in the morning.
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:39 pm @G-Man im not sure planning game around the ‘rez plz’ triggered event is viable strategy.
G-Man wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.
I went back to look at this day one progression with G-Man. I didn't like it at the time, felt like a 'no u' to the fact I'd indicated some suspicion. He doesn't like my criticism of his 'rez please' idea - so I'm gonna be looking in this iso to see if 'using the mechanics to the civvies advantage' is something that ever comes back.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:05 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:03 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:56 pm Plot twist: Golden started a wagon on his buddy Sig but now he sees the wagon taking off even if it was never meant to and is getting cold feet with not enough socks in the drawer
Not impossible. Needs more cowbell
You know, as a percussionist, the thing you really need more of is marimba. Even triangle. Cowbell is overrated.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:02 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:56 pm Plot twist: Golden started a wagon on his buddy Sig but now he sees the wagon taking off even if it was never meant to and is getting cold feet with not enough socks in the drawer
Man, you just need to read my posts in order.
Sorry for slightly emulating previous aggrieved voices. My point isn’t ‘read my posts’, my point is just that i think you’ll get a sense of what I knew and when.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:00 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:57 pm At the time that I moved to Vivax, G-man had 5 votes and no one else had more than 2. There was no need for my vote to continue resting on G-man.
It’s not that it pings me that you’d move off g-man, I just don’t really know why vivax is the one you’d move to.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:59 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

I didn’t see the poll first and I’ve not expressed any discomfort in voting sig in the least, *especially* given he followed through on ignoring the day.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:56 pm Plot twist: Golden started a wagon on his buddy Sig but now he sees the wagon taking off even if it was never meant to and is getting cold feet with not enough socks in the drawer
Man, you just need to read my posts in order.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:57 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

And yes I could have answered the question on my own but:

1) I need to prioritise my time; and
2) I didn’t look at the poll first to see that sig was someone it was worth prioritising much time on.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:55 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:49 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:48 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:45 pm Question for both Kate and the thread… did the pressure voting on sig produce anything at all?
You're voting him too ? :huh:

Strange question :ponder:
I don’t understand your point.
You can answer your question on your own anyways. But sig is afflicted by role, that warps things a bit with expecting a particular reaction from him.
Golden wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:48 am Sig - a top town read on day one, seems to have vanished in day two, and that’s convenient, actually. In the first half of day two I had the sense mafia were under zero pressure… quiet thread, not much of much happening. Sig resting on his day one laurels fits that pattern. Would vote this way as things stand right now.

Sloonei - I think he’s town, no notes.

Vivax - sharp, I like what they’re contributing. Right now I have a decent town lean on them and I don’t feel the need to spend my time casing them. I agree with their goal of creating a town core although I agree with the wisdom of not doing it so overtly in a role madness game… you’re not only giving mafia a roadmap on who to kill, but also who to green and use other abilities on.
You have a point here with him dropping off but then I don't understand your flip to calling the sig votes pressure votes.
My vote and Kate’s vote, ie the first two votes on sig today, were called out expressly by both of us as pressure votes in the thread at the time they were cast (unless Kate had left the wagon and come back later and I missed that).
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:51 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:49 pm Oh, I see we are at 4 votes sig and 3 g-man. I should have checked the poll first before calling it a pressure vote.

I think sig vs g-man and keeping the vote tight between the two until at least the last hour or so is beneficial, see what happens if it’s close.
Paying close attention to Sloonei moving _off_ GMan onto Vivax and then Quin making a pretty shallow case on Kate.
I don’t know why sloon voted vivax. Seems like a poor choice of vote to me.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

S~V~S wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:09 pm I think the baddies were sitting back, figuring they could spend two days taking out DH and then maybe even Kate when DH flipped civ.

So there’s a little scrambling going on here.

We really need to lynch a baddie today. There are 3, maybe 4, people I won’t vote for, and I would rather not vote for the insanified.

But although I still feel GMan is not his civ self, I could move.
I can definitely also move to g-man

I think maybe my focus with the time I have should be an iso of these two so I’m gonna make myself breakfast and do that.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:50 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
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Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Scotty answers the question, the answer was ‘no’.

Linki and so did Kate lol
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:49 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:48 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:45 pm Question for both Kate and the thread… did the pressure voting on sig produce anything at all?
You're voting him too ? :huh:

Strange question :ponder:
I don’t understand your point.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:49 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Oh, I see we are at 4 votes sig and 3 g-man. I should have checked the poll first before calling it a pressure vote.

I think sig vs g-man and keeping the vote tight between the two until at least the last hour or so is beneficial, see what happens if it’s close.
by Golden
Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:47 pm
Forum: The Syndicate's 10-Year Anniversary Festival
Topic: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]
Replies: 3555
Views: 133641

Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 3]

Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:45 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:43 pm I’m really sorry, I feel like I’m letting everyone down by not being fully present. I’ll be back to regular service on Thursday my time.
Dude you’re fine. I feel like you’ve been plenty active today alone
:hug: i feel like this is on topic, so I won’t post in green. but it’s reading I haven’t had time for and perhaps that’s invisible. But the longer it goes for the less informed/valuable I feel my vote is.

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