The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:04 pm Yeah this wagon is to big with to little resistance. I don't like it.

If it’s wrong, please help me lynch TH tomorrow. I don’t care what others say, he’s been tunnelling. I think there’s a very good chance we are lynching Ramses right now not scum.

I don’t think EITHER of fractal and TH are town. I’m quite certain TH isn’t.

Don’t have time this morning to engage. Voting fractal. Read my stuff, read THs stuff and don’t let him push a false narrative about how my impression of him is wrong.

Voting fractal now.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:59 pm I'm not sure a Fractal/sig team checks out. Will have to look into it. First instinct, sig was Ramses-hunting Fractal, that doesn't seem like bad teamies.

Does anyone want to engage on this?

I'm not sure a Fractal/sig team checks out. Will have to look into it. First instinct, sig was Ramses-hunting Fractal, that doesn't seem like bad teamies.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:40 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:37 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:30 pm oh just now. earlier today. okay.

so this game is actually legitimately For Fun rather than For Glory.

What do you mean?

I'm minus 2 on speedchuck right now in wins this year, speed is confirmed probably not mafia so we'd win together or lose together and neither of our rankings change cus of it. closest two below are quin and eloh and neither of those two are playing this one.

still I'd prefer to win

Was i the only one to read anything this game?

It's alive to win.

There is every chance that it is or will be alive to win.

But I think it isn't yet.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:44 pm we still have protagonists left right?

We won't be told when they are all gone.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:37 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:30 pm oh just now. earlier today. okay.

so this game is actually legitimately For Fun rather than For Glory.

What do you mean?

I'm minus 2 on speedchuck right now in wins this year, speed is confirmed probably not mafia so we'd win together or lose together and neither of our rankings change cus of it. closest two below are quin and eloh and neither of those two are playing this one.

still I'd prefer to win

That’s where I was in 2015. But in those days it was generally alive to win

And marmot tied me because he got alex to do the Macarena, I believe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:30 pm oh just now. earlier today. okay.

so this game is actually legitimately For Fun rather than For Glory.

What do you mean?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:25 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:18 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:15 pm Golden why are you trying to become my arch nemesis right now

I mean, the position is open, I'm just wondering why you're going for it

That's an interesting idea. I'll think on it.

Why you not respond to my questions?

Mainly because there's like a hundred other things in your posts about me that I'd have to nitpick first, and I think we both know I'd rather die, lose, and/or be wrong than get bulldozed into engaging in a typing bonanza with you

It really sounds as though I've already failed my application to be your archnemesis.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:15 pm Golden why are you trying to become my arch nemesis right now

I mean, the position is open, I'm just wondering why you're going for it

That's an interesting idea. I'll think on it.

Why you not respond to my questions?

I'm willing to joining you on Fractal, ultimately, but I don't want to start a wagon too early and stifle discussion so I'm not going to do that yet.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:40 pm As far as defending known townies I’m sure I did it in U-Pick. TH actually comes to mind near the end there.

Yeah I was saying defending them is a townie look on you. The vibe I get from you in this game is like halfway between upick and what I think I’ve seen in your baddie game. You’re in a grey area for me.

And thanks for realising I’m on point with my fractal assessment when I’m comparing it to my reasons for lynching you. I thought you might see it as flawed because you didn’t believe it had merit there.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:58 pm 9 players left

5 civs, 3 mafia, 1 indie

assuming/hoping the indie doesn't have a mutually exclusive win con

if we lose a civ to this lynch and a civ to the night kill that puts the numbers at 3 civs 3 mafia, and 1 indie and I'm incredibly uncomfortable with that.

the numbers could also be even worse than that, who knows what else might happen? let's treat today as if it's lylo

I think this is wise. Best case scenario if we lynch a townie today and there's no kill, we are still at MYLO tomorrow.

What do you mean by something else could happen? Are you worried about a recruit? If there's a recruit we would be at lylo right now, and that's even assuming we can win with Ramses.

If I'm seeing the role hint, I think it is quite broad. It could put you in multiple town roles, but it is still specific enough to point to only those multiple town roles. Am I on the right track?

TH, are you referring to a post in which you replied to a person that is not me?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:28 pm Golden you're either or you completely missed my rolehint to you after the other night.

I didn't see a role hint. I'll look again. I had a particular role in mind for you that I'm pretty sure I was wrong about, but to be fair since you accused me I have tunnelled down a different route because I'm pretty confident you aren't that role.

Also, there's been a habit in this game - activity suddenly drops at the beginning of a phase, forcing all the activity to happen late in the phase.

I've noticed how markedly this has affected my contribution. So few people to talk to during the day, then the activity only happens while I'm asleep, leaving me only 2-3 hours out of 24 to meaningfully interact with people. We need to do better and not waste the START of this phase, or we'll end up in a worse position.

(I say this even though I know I have a tonne to do at work. But I'll check in at breaks whenever I can).

(Well, I think it's important anyway).

Sorry to see speed go, glad I'm still here, but please read that big post I made before the end of night people. It's important.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:14 pm the next 24 hours are going to be the strongest 24 hours anyone has ever seen, and we are going to lynch mafia today, I can feel it in my bones

I feel good about it. I think we're narrowing the field down substantially.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:06 pm I was lynched Day 2 in Dune Mafia and had 65 posts before I was lynched. That game is a poor comparison.

Golden, do you have any want to lynch me aside from me being quiet because I was out of town and unable to post?

A post from Dune

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:17 am I feel liek I have contributed nothing to this game and I'm sorry, and I'll be around tomorrow.

Cheers.

And Happy Halloween you crazy people. It is still Halloweeen here.

A post from this game:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:26 pm Dropping a temporary vote on TH for now. I'll be more back in action come Day 5, but sorry for my absence to this point.

Neither of your promises to return resulted in anything meaningful.

You can't just talk 'number of posts' and 'day x'. I made clear that I find that even when you are away and have trouble posting often, those posts you do make, you tend to endeavour to include real content when you are town. The games where there is a significant lack of content is when you are bad.

This game and Dune both look similar to me. Lots of posts early, then a steep drop off, without any real meaningful content.

To say it's 'because I was out of town and unable to post' is your choice to put a particular spin on what my suspicion actually is.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:52 pm I have a question about every player in the game; they aren't just for the players themselves, anyone can answer. I'm answering these myself too, but interested in opinions.

Colin - Has Colin ever actively pushed against lynching a known townie?
Fractal - How suspicious is sticking on Scotty in the scotty lynch now that we know inh is town?
Kyle - is there any reason to doubt the consensus read? (no there isn't. I just didn't want Kyle to feel left out).
Dom - am I correctly picking up on what Lapluie was putting down?
Marmot - am I wrong that very quiet Marmot is very rarely town?
Niju - where'd she go on day 5?
sig - what should we make of sig being on the eventual lynch every time, usually as an early adopter?
speed - who would speed's teammates be if he were bad?
TH - Why does TH see Fractal's attempt at isos as more suspicion that, say, Colins? (More generic version of this same question - is TH being purposefully myopic)

Bonus question for colin, Fractal, TH, niju... is their nutella vote suspicious?

And someone should ask a question about me.

Alright, so here's what I think.

I'm ignoring my question on Colin. Both speed and Colin have suggested the answer is 'yes, scotty'. I'm not sure if it's an example or the sum total. If any of you has suspicion on colin to the extent that you'd consider voting him today, I suggest you research this question hard. Only one townie might indicate colin is bad. But one thing you certainly can't accuse Colin of is a lack of reads or substantive content. It is possible to evaluate this. If he's defended multiple known townies, I suggest this leans towards Colin being town. It's also worth reassessing his isos in light of where we are now and what his behaviour has been since.

Fractal - my answer to this question is 'quite suspicious'. I think that baddies often have difficulty making a call to place a late vote on a wagon that will lynch a townie. This is the reason why I believe I caught Colin is Ancient Greece, as an example. Fractal said he'd break the tie, but then he didn't. In theory, there's no reason for a baddie to do this if he knows both are town. In practice, being the deciding vote on a town wagon feels exposing. I think Fractal looks worse because INH is town. If INH was bad, it was a little too obvious as a save. Because INH is town, I think it's very possible that Fractal's unwillingness to shift came out of being afraid to appear like the deciding factor. He didn't count on being the deciding factor anyway.

Kyle - no, no reason to doubt this.

Dom - based on all reactions including Dom, I think I'm wrong about seeing something in lap's posts that I thought was role indicative, so never mind.

Marmot - Marmot is still exceedingly quiet even though he is back from his trip. I think he posted quite a while ago now that he'd be back quite soon but that hasn't upped his content. People should go check a game like Dune or one like GoC2018. Seriously, just do it.

Ninja - I read her iso again today, to again decide if she was being too quiet. I still see normal ninja, but [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] I'd like to see you give your reads, and reasons for them, on all players today please.

sig - I don't really know which way to go with this - it's probably not interpretable until I see his affiliation, but I won't forget the assurance he seems to have in this game regardless of his alignment. There's one possibility I have on sig that could make him a TH teamie which I'll set out below.

Speed - Speed would have marmot and TH as his teamies if he was bad, but that is still major tinfoil.

TH - I've read TH's iso three times in this phase. I do not believe my perception is wrong. TH does no hunting whatsoever, in my opinion, until day 4. Go read people, please. On day 4, he suspects two people - Fractal and Colin. To be fair, that is more than just Fractal. Anyone saying he is truly hunting after reading that iso - he's really not. He pretty much went on solely about fractal again (other than a couple of flippant posts with no hunting basis), until I asked why he was only focussed on Fractal and he flipped out on me.

I think there is a very good chance that TH is Ramses hunting, and he believes that Fractal is Ramses. His flip out on me wasn't genuine in any way, it was daft - accusing me of being Fractal's teammate for having a particular perception of him which I can say I absolutely still hold after looking at him very carefully. He's provided no counterevidence and now that I've worked on his iso I can see why - there really is very little, other than his suspicion on Colin that he abandoned in favour of asking Colin to help him the moment I turned on him. It was a major overreaction, and I think it came from me correctly calling him out.

Interestingly, sig has labelled that he thinks Fractal is Ramses. I dunno where this comes from but it's why I say I can see a scenario in which he and TH are hunting Ramses and have talked about this. Sig has also done a bit of Ramses hunting in the thread.

I encourage people to read TH's iso very strongly. I believe this man is bad. I don't understand the town leans people have at all. Go check this iso out, people.

I have so much to do at work today it's unlikely I'll be around for much of the day.

But I will pop in to write at least one more post before end of night.

Thanks speed.

I was hoping more people would respond before I gave my own thoughts... I’ll be giving them soon, so if anyone else wants to jump in...

Fractal also fairly substantiated.

TH is not an unsubstantiated choice for a lynch. Quite the opposite. He’s the one I think is most substantiated.

Speed it’s probably a fair criticism that I’m ‘expanding the suspect pool’, but I feel like our days have been to narrow. Once inh was lynched, for me it was re-evaluation time, hence my list of questions. PS i wouldn’t mind your response to that question post generally, people have so far only engaged with the question aimed at them which is I guess understandable but not what I was wanting.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:33 pm i am the world's biggest idiot

don't worry about it :x it'll probably be alright

Tell me

This conversation sounds familiar. Are you and Kyle in couples therapy?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:37 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:14 pm Colin and Fractal are my first options.

Not sure what to think of TH. He's actively hunting for the first time in forever, throwing suspicion on people who haven't had much, and they're hating him for it.
Marmot is not on my radar for tomorrow, but perhaps for later days. The mafia team is not composed entirely of low posters, and I don't want to throw another YOLO kill to them.

This is the first time I’ve tinfoiled speed.

In isolation the ‘I don’t want to lynch marmot’ I actually agree with. But on scotty lynch day I was trying to move the lynch to a new candidate and I offered marmot and inh. My reasons for marmot we’re stronger in my view. It was speed that chose inh over marmot. A speed/marmot pairing is possible.

I doubt I'll be around on D6 to dispute that. If I'm not nightkilled, we can talk about it then.

Fair enough. You’re not the only one that feels unsafe. If you do die I’m wrong anyway. And generally speaking, I actually agree that there’s three baddies and even if marmot is one, catching one is the starting point and we can use associations from there.

I think that TH, fractal, colin and marmot are the baddies and Ramses in some order. If I’m wrong about 1 it’s Colin, which I guess means I’m wrong about one of my town reads - probably sig, outside chance it’s dom or ninja, tinfoil it’s you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:14 pm Colin and Fractal are my first options.

Not sure what to think of TH. He's actively hunting for the first time in forever, throwing suspicion on people who haven't had much, and they're hating him for it.
Marmot is not on my radar for tomorrow, but perhaps for later days. The mafia team is not composed entirely of low posters, and I don't want to throw another YOLO kill to them.

This is the first time I’ve tinfoiled speed.

In isolation the ‘I don’t want to lynch marmot’ I actually agree with. But on scotty lynch day I was trying to move the lynch to a new candidate and I offered marmot and inh. My reasons for marmot we’re stronger in my view. It was speed that chose inh over marmot. A speed/marmot pairing is possible.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:24 pm My only problem with lynching TH is that I've got a role in mind for him. So i'd rather hold off there. I agree on Frac/Colin. though I'm thinking Frac has more Ramses compatibility so i'm leaning more towards Colin.

I had the exact same thing but his exchange with me led me to think I was wrong. Go check it out (assuming we had the same role in mind)

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:23 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:55 pm One thing Colin’s post lacks is a lot of voting context. This isn’t necessarily unfair, because context is bullsuit that enables people to talk their way out of suspicious activity. I like pure vote analysis. But it does mean people should do their own reading.

Colin, you named the people whose behaviour looked worst, but other than speed who did you think looked actively good?

You won’t like this but I struggle to read TH bad in that context. Other than that most people are suspects or dead.

I don’t dislike that you have a different opinion. Yes, I think you and TH could be teammates, but when I stare into the orb of motivation, I see agenda to TH.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:55 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:29 pm I don't doubt one of the players who've suddenly started to push my lynch is mafia, with only 1 to 2 mislynches left I'm an easy target.

Coliniscool
Fractal
Marmot
Niju
TH

My five. Still don't properly trust speed either though.

Switch me with Golden

You seem to be bouncing between trying to getting myself and Golden lynched. I dislike that.

I dislike it strongly. TH is my first choice for a lynch tomorrow. Colin, fractal and marmot are all options I’d love with.

You’re my tinfoil read because I’ve never felt the slightest suspicion of you this game and I find that suspicious lol.

I have a role in mind for dom.

One thing Colin’s post lacks is a lot of voting context. This isn’t necessarily unfair, because context is bullsuit that enables people to talk their way out of suspicious activity. I like pure vote analysis. But it does mean people should do their own reading.

Colin, you named the people whose behaviour looked worst, but other than speed who did you think looked actively good?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:29 pm I don't doubt one of the players who've suddenly started to push my lynch is mafia, with only 1 to 2 mislynches left I'm an easy target.

Coliniscool
Fractal
Marmot
Niju
TH

My five. Still don't properly trust speed either though.

Switch me with Golden

No.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:20 am Coliniscool
Fractal
Kylemii
Dom 2.0
Marmot
Niju
Golden
sig
speedchuck
TH

I want everyone in the game to POE me down to half of this list. Ignore everyone else's halves. Soon as you see this post, POE 5 players out of it.

And don't leave Kylemii in the list. That would just be stupid.

TH
Marmot
Fractal
Colin
Sig

That was remarkably easy. What’s more I think Ramses is in that list too.

Colin good analysis generally but just noting you have your numbers go wrong somewhere along the way because I shifted it from 6-6 to 7-5. That may or may not shift your thinking if any of your analysis is based on how close things are. Is it possible some votes Nutella without saying so I’m the thread?

I’ll read back to test whether I think you’ve been thorough but reading through your post, fractal looks really bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:30 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:57 am Golden vs. TH feels civ-civ to me. More like clashing playstyles or base logic than anything scummy.

More like I'm calling him on his meta.

How are you calling me on my meta?

Oh yeah that was my actually actual question to you I’m my group of questions looking back. Never mind. Shouldn’t mafia and be only zombie-awake.

I’ve dine some research into a couple but I’m not going to answer them until some others have had a chance.

Recall*

But I could be way off track. My strategy today is trying to pin people into specific town roles to rule them out. I think I have one for Kyle and possibly for you too.

Also re number 2

Luna is my friend. She asked to be. And I very much enjoyed her contribution to this game, I really wish she hadn’t been killed so early. I was giving her a complement she earned.

PS dom I can’t revall if I asked this but if I said ‘did I correctly pick up on what lapluie was putting down’ does that mean anything to you? In my reading today I now have a specific role in mind for you.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:27 am TH, I noticed two things.
1) Golden said he'd catch up, but there were no catch up posts.


2)

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:44 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:14 pm Way to make me work for a reveal.

I'm not that great at matching up colour to black and white it turns out.

Well done peoples. Well done Luna in particular.

Thank you Golden

I don't think I've seen you drive an entire lynch phase before.

It's such a satisfying thing to do AND get right. Bask in it.

This is just weird if you ask me. Don't know if it makes him bad, but it stood out.

It’s inaccurate to say there were no catch up posts. I did do some catch up earlier and posted about it until my dad thing happened. Then I gave up on catch up, circumstances changed, I was relying on that weekend for it. Instead my catch up has been in the form of specific isos for particular people as needed.

And now I have him as a solid bad read and would lynch.

Anyway, I thought that potentially TH's thread relationship with Fractal indicated he could be a specific role but based on his reaction I think I'm wrong about that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:45 pm I will read your essay tomorrow Golden I promise but my eyes are refusing to let me do it right now

You must be phone posting. It doesn't look that long on a pc.

I also really hate that he turns around with 'he got a flawed version from chat'. I never caught up on the early thread but via specific isos and I didn't have a great ability to engage while my father was unwell either (not an excuse, just a fact). I've not read TH's early iso. The first time I had any particular notice of him was about day 4 or night 4, and my perception is based on his behaviour since that point. It's my perception, no one elses, and that just feels like a way to paint a relationship that sounds plausible rather than actually think about how I might have come to that view.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:27 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:44 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:36 pmIn the mean time, I welcome the backup you requested, and ask them to form their view on whether or not I'm right. Also you just said you had the same suspects as me (Colin, Fractal, Marmot) and then called Colin for back up, so what do you think about colin exactly?

I called Colin for backup because he knows I'm a big flippy flopper. He also seems to have an analytical brain for this sorta shit so I wanna see if I can rent him as a bloodhound

I like the cut of your jib this game. Good vibes. Golden absolutely could be scum but I don’t know if he’d defend Fractal on the same team. I don’t like the end of that post where he shifts the convo to me either, it stood out as a deflection from your line of inquiry. I bet Sig is bad too. Pretty damn tired though so I’ll have to reread all this.

I hate the cut of that jib in the last few posts.

The point is he went from claiming he had the same suspect list as me (including you, apparently), to calling you in as back up the moment he felt attacked by me. It's not a shift of the conversation TO you, it's about his handling of you. You're not his friend until he feels he needs a friend, then suddenly you're his friend. Actually I really hate the approach to the call for backup full stop. Why those three names?

What's more, his whole defence is that I'm fractal's teammate because he has other suspects that I don't acknowledge, but he refused to engage with my post beyond the big no u and hasn't exactly pointed out that I'm wrong (I'm at work right now, I will get to his full iso, but at this moment I just looked back through today which gave me the impression and - tell me I'm wrong? He seemed to me to focus solely on Fractal. When did he last name another suspect before coming out against me?). I wasn't even attacking him and he used suspicion of me as a defence.

And no, I wouldn't defend Fractal if I was on the same team, I avoid that kind of thing strenuously, but also trying to paint my question as any kind of defence of Fractal is wrong and misleading. It wasn't, not even slightly. In fact, TH only focused on my simplified version of the question, while ignoring the guts of the first one. I shouldn't have even provided the simplified version, it allowed him to be reductive about my meaning. He claims he suspected you, but what was his reaction to you doing isos the way Fractal did?

What I think I see from TH is that his only meaningful content is his attempt to take out Fractal, and any other suspicion can't be backed up by any kind of similar content - that is, he's mostly skin deep.

There could be multiple reasons for that but the specific nature of his reaction to me over it means I feel like the reason is because he's bad. If he had legitimate reasons for it, I feel like his response would have been more measured.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:52 pm I have a question about every player in the game; they aren't just for the players themselves, anyone can answer. I'm answering these myself too, but interested in opinions.

Colin - Has Colin ever actively pushed against lynching a known townie?
Fractal - How suspicious is sticking on Scotty in the scotty lynch now that we know inh is town?
Kyle - is there any reason to doubt the consensus read? (no there isn't. I just didn't want Kyle to feel left out).
Dom - am I correctly picking up on what Lapluie was putting down?
Marmot - am I wrong that very quiet Marmot is very rarely town?
Niju - where'd she go on day 5?
sig - what should we make of sig being on the eventual lynch every time, usually as an early adopter?
speed - who would speed's teammates be if he were bad?
TH - Why does TH see Fractal's attempt at isos as more suspicion that, say, Colins? (More generic version of this same question - is TH being purposefully myopic)

Bonus question for colin, Fractal, TH, niju... is their nutella vote suspicious?

And someone should ask a question about me.

What is a “known townie”?

Everyone who was lynched and came back town and everyone who was nked (yes, I know we have a redirector and secrets so there is an outside chance of misinformation - but for the sake of this analysis, I think it's appropriate to assume they all are town).

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:47 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:43 pmBefore that you made zero impression on me whatsoever, and after that you have done literally nothing but go on solely about fractal (in my opinion).

If you actually have done more than that, I'll be doing my own check, but feel free to prove it. What's more, the point of me asking the question was to allow people to challenge my perspective, not to lynch you for it.

Those are strong words, that's all I'm saying.

Prove me wrong. Show me the posts where you've been going in other directions.

I'm not here to be correct. I'm here to solve the game. If you can prove me wrong, good, prove me wrong. It's ludicrous that you're attacking me and getting defensive instead of actually demonstrating to me that I'm in any way wrong (again, I have to do the iso - but so far your attack on me just reads as further non-myopia focusing solely on Fractal as bad).

BTW - I'm not even necessarily of a view that you're bad if you are [not-myopic], you seem to have flown to conclusions. There's other reasons you could have a narrow focus. My objectives were only to challenge and validate or invalidate my own perspective, and foster discussion.

Here's an idea TH - if you want to prove you aren't [word that isn't myopic], how about you bother to try answering any of the questions that weren't about you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:08 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:56 pm I'm not Ramses. I trust the same group as y'all plus TH.

Why TH?

Tbh his voting record is not as good as I thought but his posts have that genuine hunting feel and i believe he's coming from a town place. I especially like his recent pressure on Fractal as it was against the grain until now, and I also liked his progression from suspecting me to then agreeing with my case on Colin/pursuing Colin on d3 I think it was. He doesn't make sense as mafia in my mind.

This is where my perception of you comes from, TH (and the subsequent posts).

Before that you made zero impression on me whatsoever, and after that you have done literally nothing but go on solely about fractal (in my opinion).

If you actually have done more than that, I'll be doing my own check, but feel free to prove it. What's more, the point of me asking the question was to allow people to challenge my perspective, not to lynch you for it.