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Oh, it was the opposite of coasting. Role madness games leave nowhere to hide, and people still asked deeply probing questions. One wrong thing could crater your game in an instant. It was just very different.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:55 amnah slankers need to die
The point of mafia is to engage in the game and fool people not just coast and win
This game has always had the vibe of being solved, even when we’ve had the wolves wrong.
I think perhaps our difference in perspectives is generational. If I’m dealing with a work crisis I am not reading wolfchat. I don’t have time for that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:49 amI think self voting means it was possible to just not vote at all or vote off wagon. So yes.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:47 amYou think posting in wolf chat asking Roxy to ignore a robbery she’s dealing with would help or even be seen?Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:45 amIt's an absolute disaster. With prs and God doc Scotty they should have adjusted
Further 1 of them was inactive and no voted at least one time
Two of them self voted at different points I believe both on day 1 and one stayed on themself thus losing their vote day 2. This is actually a huge reason why I've town read Roxy that play makes 0 sense as mafia if i was on thee team I'd be screaming in scum chat to just log in for one second stealth vote and leave.
Like... there's just so much huh and very little where I can go oh I see the plan.
You think posting in wolf chat asking Roxy to ignore a robbery she’s dealing with would help or even be seen?Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:45 amIt's an absolute disaster. With prs and God doc Scotty they should have adjusted
Further 1 of them was inactive and no voted at least one time
Two of them self voted at different points I believe both on day 1 and one stayed on themself thus losing their vote day 2. This is actually a huge reason why I've town read Roxy that play makes 0 sense as mafia if i was on thee team I'd be screaming in scum chat to just log in for one second stealth vote and leave.
Like... there's just so much huh and very little where I can go oh I see the plan.
Oh yeah now it’s me that can’t keep days straightRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:00 amno excuses, game has been going for 24 hours now I should vote her just for not having a vote and turbo her till f3
Spoiler: show
In a world where Roxy is town… on.
To be fair the day starts for splints at like 2am
Perhaps it just means Roxy is wolf.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:43 amyeah I think I fucked up. I think that makes you town but also I dont know what that means for my readsNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:27 amKotHS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:15 pmThere was a host post saying Wilgy replaced her but I saw no posts or mentions of him. It was confusing, there wasn’t even a list of who was what role in the thread that I could find.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 pm I think I need to give Neon a pass for my bad memory and let other people suss/find her
I was town
I subbed out cause I was extremely depressed irl
@RondoDimBuckle
I'm confused.
Exerting thread control is a characteristic of individual players. Mata and Roxy are, by their nature, lower posters who don’t seek to exert thread control. This can be an effective tactic if the town is eating itself.
Claiming your own townclear is inherently suspicious, (says man who made an entire post townclearing himself)RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:51 pmI really think I have been TMI'ed town off my play D4 and 5 into Lucy EOD5 and can just be psudo green checkedGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:44 pmThis is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:49 pm<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:58 am @RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.
You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.
Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?
I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.
This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:49 pm<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:58 am @RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.
You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.
Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?
I think you’re asking me to tread a fine line here… moving single names about like this could be sailing close to G-Man intervention.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:16 pmEBWOPGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:07 pmPerhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:56 pmEBWOP
Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?
But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.
I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.
In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).
Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.
And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.
I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.
Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?
Why is my alignment not known to you?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:29 pmAny player in black is alive and unknown (to me) alignment. Golden is not the only one in black, you'll note only the flipped and myself have colors
Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:56 pmEBWOP
Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?
I’ll be around for a chunk of tomorrow but probably not the last half hour.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:54 pmNah I just thought it was day end and you were around last time
I think if you have read all the thread you know that I have been reading your posts and taking them seriously.Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:35 pmI did vote for Vivax. Are you even reading my posts? Falcon and Golden - read before you post. I posted all my votes in #4212 just a few posts up. I feel like someone is trying railroad me today and I do not like it.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:12 pmThere are RL reasons too, but it’s nice as a wolf when RL reasons provide cover for good strategy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:36 pmIn my mind, that's a point against her. Both those RDs vivax and Lucy had heat early, so ditching those RDs makes it far easier to avoid spewGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pmI don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.
I had been warded off Roxy by a lot of town support from people I have trust in, but I was pinged only day one by the way Roxy expressed her attempts to catch up. I’m not necessarily convinced town Roxy would put such a fine point on it. But I really want fingersplints and SVSs take on that.
There are RL reasons too, but it’s nice as a wolf when RL reasons provide cover for good strategy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:36 pmIn my mind, that's a point against her. Both those RDs vivax and Lucy had heat early, so ditching those RDs makes it far easier to avoid spewGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pmI don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.
I had been warded off Roxy by a lot of town support from people I have trust in, but I was pinged only day one by the way Roxy expressed her attempts to catch up. I’m not necessarily convinced town Roxy would put such a fine point on it. But I really want fingersplints and SVSs take on that.
I do think I’ve been cautious not to infodump so there’ll be different interpretations available, but I think there will be interpretations that make more or less sense.
It’s really hard to see mata/vivax as compatible with splintsfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:24 pm Rondo, Roxy & fingers all need more pressure to solve or be solved IMO
I know this isn’t directed at me, but I’m gonna answer it as well in a bit (I’ll let svs go first)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pmWell, since you've asked so nicely, I'd be happy to oblige.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:19 pmIf I die, I give you permission to RIP me cause I like feeling valuedfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:42 pmScotty knows I love him, but Imma save my Atta Boy til after Town winsS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:32 amNope I haven’t. Not even Kate who is a super good friend. But Scotty was the first power role. He did a super good job and I thought he at least deserved a salute.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:03 amI've seen Maf out themselves near EOD when their death seems certain, but it's not very often that's true.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 amI guess no one says “RIP” anymore? I said I was sorry to see him go because I’m sorry to see him go. He was a great doctor, he prevented two kills and I’d guess died because he finally made some small pushback against Goldens case, and protected someone else when he should have protected himself.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:54 am
The first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...
And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.
And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.
That post is pinging me right out the gate
And it was weird because a baddie outed themselves, gave up her strategy and tried to get someone to talk about why they suspected her and asked who the cop was.
You don’t think that’s weird?
Asking who the cop was in a sort of nonchalant way is not strange at all IMO, and probably her best bet to get some info for her team while doing the "good game, good game" handshake outro
I'm curious if you RIPd any of the other dead town this game![]()
But unless you're Maf, I'd rather we bring this game home with you alive.
Who are your top 3 suspects currently?
I don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.
100% lol I did some really good avenging toofingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:35 am Although it is to be noted mafia make those RIP posts too. Golden was like “noooooooo splints how can life be so cruelI will avenge you my friend” after he killed me in the anniversary game so
@Golden![]()
The first part is the important part.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:21 amWolves can play well, so I don't think the emotion is unfakeable...and in fact, it makes sense as she had tried hard all day to get lucy exed which would be excllent town cred..so, you coming in and possibly buggering that all up when she has you pocketed? Makes senseGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:25 am Also, if SVS is wolf that means she called me out as trying to ‘shame her’ for sussing her own wolfmate, ie she was faking that guilt. That feels really unlikely to me, that emotion felt genuine and it’s hard to see why wolf SVS would be upset with me for pushing her away from a read on her own teammate instead of just taking the gift.
Also she had a run to suspect lucy but push Falcon because I was twinning Falcon/vivax yesterday and she passed that up.
And then got upset with me again for what she perceived as risking the outcome.
I don’t see it.
I disagree.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:22 amThis is a good pointNeon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:15 amI mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:10 amThey’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 amI picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
Next question. Why is SVS alive?![]()
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I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?
If I had to guess, I’d bet scotty was protecting SVS last night.Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:15 amI mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:10 amThey’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 amI picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
Next question. Why is SVS alive?![]()
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I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?
I think I’d have those three exactly reversed.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 amI picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
Next question. Why is SVS alive?
I mean in essence that’s true.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:03 amJust say your angle is baiting, it works for meGolden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:59 amMeh, Kate had a whole exchange with me earlier in the game where she knew I was lying/withholding and couldn’t see my angle.
My angle is that I was cop.
Of course I should have a good lie ready about my angle. But it was also partial truth… just not whole truth.