The Syndicate

I am insanely jealous of that banner.

Long Con wrote:

That's what I picture.

I went hamish in the end too there, Epi. Golden, when I PMed you, what were your perceptions of the game?

You were town, snow dog was town, zebra was bad, I didn't have much of an idea about vomps scotty or wilgy.

I also thought probably only one cannibal but one pirate being alive surprised me.

That's uncanny. I went to post what Epi posted and got his in linki.

I was pretty sure LC wasn't cannibal, because I knew they had killed me and I was the only person on LC's side on day one.

Epignosis wrote:Got Black Rock and nijuukyugou. Another game where I go hamish and still lose.

Hey cannibals! You didn't need to kill me!

a2thezebra wrote:Nothing has value in a vacuum.

You've obviously never gone digging through that bag of dust for the money you just accidentally sucked up.

thellama73 wrote:The night post will come this evening when I finish all the staff that makes me money.

llama the hitman.

Epignosis wrote:The names on the poll look like a man with a hat and large shoes. Seriously. Cool stuff.

And a beer gut. Don't forget the beer gut.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Nacho, just wanted to make another OT post here and say it was a real pleasure playing with you during your first game here on The Syndicate even if our time together was brief. I hope you stick around; you are absolutely a welcome addition to the already awesome group of folks we have around here.

QFT. Make some more friends

Scotty wrote:Disneyland was great.

I am jealous

Quin wrote:I'm not sure why I was pinged by this post, but I do disagree with it. Voting is just as much as a mafia weapon as it is civs. Hell, look at my Mad Max game. My voting record was probably half the reason that I all-but secured the win there. I'm not familiar enough with Soneji to actually suspect him for this, but I'm willing to put it down as a conflict of opinion.

Townish post from Quin.

Did that answer your question, Marmot?

Re my opinion on MP

I have seen him be frustrated at accusations as both alignments.
I've seen him buddy people as both alignments.

I can recall specific instances of him burning me with each of them in the past when bad, but it's easy to let 'you have done that to me when bad before' sway your read to 'bad' when it's actually 'null'.

I also think that MP has been incredibly regularly on the table for lynching on day one/two recently, and I've seen a marked uptick in him getting frustrated at the accusations early rather than maintaining a rational calm. Again, I see this as null, because I've seen it as both alignments. And I don't really blame him - I have been through runs in the past where I'm in that spot where no matter what you do, people are immediately inspecting me and declaring me bad, and it can get very frustrating. Sometimes you just want a run of not being on defense to get your hunting straight.

All of those null things straight - here are things I've seen as genuinely potentially alignment-indicative from MP

1) His happiness to have the game going at a slow pace - town-aligned. I think he would be much more focussed on his meta upkeep if he was bad, but in this game I did not get the sense he cared about maintaining any appearance. This is also a major town tell with me, and I believe it's a pretty reliable one.

2) His focus on nacho in the early game - feeling out and interacting with a new player - town-aligned. I felt like MP was genuinely trying to get a good sense of who he is and what he is bringing to the table.

3) His inability to see epi's case as holding merit - slightly bad-leaning. I can understand the frustration, but I have more difficulty understanding why MP wouldn't recognise a legitimate meta case and respond to it as such (rather than a nonsense case). It may be based on a predisposition to assume epi's cases are not intended to hold merit but are just intended to see what responses come, which is in fact the tack MP took. It's also something epi is well known for doing. But that makes it a very easy 'rote' defense to any epi case.

Overall, I still see MP as town-aligned, and in particular point (1) is very persuasive to me.

I'll ask about Loom.

Long Con wrote:Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now?

Yes. But trust me, no-one will tell you where to find them, and you will have to deliver them to a town in Wyoming by hand.

Epi, what do you make of MPs reaction? Or are you not willing to say?

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

How did you test this?

I believe your explanation for how it came about. It matches the way your post came together. I feel like it was genuinely scum-hunty.

I'm comparing it to my experience of the way you've picked at Jay in the past, with cases that I haven't found as compelling, in circumstances where you've mostly been bad.

I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It wasn't an analysis. It was an observation.

I find your observation somewhat compelling.

Question - is it one you just researched now, or have you been sitting on it waiting for a time it applied?

What is compelling about it, even remotely? I don't get it. I cannot fathom anything even remotely compelling about it. I've already debunked it.

You haven't debunked it. You've provided an alternate hypothesis. If I could put Epi's theory another way, a way in which your 'debunk' doesn't debunk - it would be that you don't make rainbow lists as town on day one. Debunking it would be proving that wrong by showing that you do, and that epi has cherry picked.

We all have habits as town and baddie, some of which we are aware of, some of which we are not. Epi might... and I stress might... have caught you in a habit you were unaware of. If it's a genuine pattern, it's compelling.

Having said that, your reaction to all of this does seem like town MP.

Hey zebra. I see you lurking - although maybe you can only post in smilies right now. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game so far though.

Also, snow, sorry for not buddying you sooner, but it's nice to meet you. Your name comes up a lot, so I'm looking forward to playing with you.

Nachomamma8 wrote:if I feel a player is avoiding answering my questions or attacking me or another player through misreps or things that I don't think they believe, I'll pursue them to the ends of the earth but this is mostly because of my own play style; as scum, I use loudness and conviction and genuine sounding posts to cover up misrepping and extended arguments about things that don't matter so when I find that happening with others I can be a little too aggressive, relentless, annoying.

Welcome to the Syndicate, golden 2.0

sig wrote:I find it odd you plan to vote for me for being quieter then usually seems like a good scapegoat vote.

Or a good spacegoat vote!

(Old RM joke - sophie said 'spacegoat' and it stuck).

But I voted ninja not you, in that very post. Was she a good tentacled spacegoat? Do you think it's unfair for me to look for people's town game and, if I don't see it, consider voting them?

Epignosis wrote:It wasn't an analysis. It was an observation.

I find your observation somewhat compelling.

Question - is it one you just researched now, or have you been sitting on it waiting for a time it applied?

nijuukyugou wrote:Beautiful tentacles, that one Did you vote me because you wanted to see substance from me, or because the tentacles creep you out?

Can't it be both?

That was the ninja post I was looking for, though.

I feel more clueless than usual for day one - I don't have any active bad reads. My vote is going to a player who I don't think has yet matched my perception of their civ meta.

I feel a bit like a dick doing that because I know how frustrating I find it when I get lynched on day one merely for not posting 150 times! But I have nothing better to go on.

That means, for me, motel room, sig or ninja. I normally get an early town vibe from MR that is lacking here. Sig is waaay too quiet for sig. Ninja's check in was probably before any content developed, but she is adept at using her limited posts well and that's what I'm waiting to see.

I'd wait for the morning if I could, but I can't. So, ninja it is.

Hey Mac - thoughts on the ninja?

sig wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Mac, it's clear we are both civilian this game so let's team up.

Seems a little early MP.

Also up to page six and nobody has mentioned me yet. I'm insulted.

I was just about to mention you. I have to vote before I go to bed, and your absence might get my vote unless you give me some reason not to. I know you are busy, but i want your siggish thoughts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

What do you make of me falling back to images and fluff?

What do you mean? Your posting seems normal to me. Plenty of content.

You just came along too late, I started posting content after that!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm here. Go ahead and celebrate. :P

Don't know why I said 'portrayed' - I mean betrayed.

Nachomamma8 wrote:This is reassuring; I did like LC's questions and thoughts about baddie roles in particular but wasn't sure how comfortable he was mimicking his role speculation as scum.

I think he is comfortable, but I think he can be portrayed in how deep they go.

Or, put another way, get in his head and think 'would he be asking all of these questions if bad' and for me the answer in this case is leaning no.

Although, I kind of made my 'I can read LC' sound heavy when I should say that, unlike Mac who has good day one instincts, I often need a bit longer to form a confident read. So it's early days.

Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't mind slower paces but I get antsy as shit when deadline approaches and I don't have a vote I feel even vaguely positive about.

So do I and it is a problem when there is less than 24 hours and I don't have a single bad lean yet.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

WTF?

Ok i'll have to read back tomorrow.

no he posted a picture of a roll
he "roll claimed" as in claimed to be a roll

A three headed roll.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Right I'm gonna hit the sack. See you all tomorrow.

Linki. Because as you said, why would a baddie vote for himself when he can throw his vote on a civ.

Not sure what "linki" means.

It's when you get a new post after you push submit, and you want to differentiate that you made the part of the post before that, before reading those new posts.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

Did you roll a 6?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey guys, unfortunately I'll BBL.

Best MP post ever. Microcosmic.

Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm liking Boomslang coming into thread and pushing back, though and am excited to see more from him - if he clears himself sufficiently, the probability of a successful drunk darts game jumps up to 44% and I'm one step closer to that elusive 50% (which is probably the best I can hope for at this point in the game).

The numbers are a little misleading though - they rely on all your day one townreads being right. I like the approach though. (Dare I call it... no, I won't use that acronym. I don't want to give anyone a heart attack.)

Boomslang wrote:

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

On the other hand, rash stands out, and its not like people who self-vote on day one get a pass. In my experience, people who self-vote day one and then get lynched for it are town. But maybe it's always MM, and it's not a general rule!

I don't think the relevant question is 'was it rash', I think the relevant question is 'was it bad'. I'm inclined to agree with MP and Nacho's thoughts - it seems less likely to come from a baddie to me, early. Especially in the early game, when you are bad you want to hang on to every advantage you have and see how the game is playing out before you commit yourself.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

What do you make of me falling back to images and fluff?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:And, while I'm at it: MovingPictures, would you mind elaborating on your LC town lean a little more? I understand there might not be much behind it, but what do you think of him scumreading DrWigly early? It seems to me that DrWigly doing something weird (like not reading his role PM) isn't really unexpected and I don't actually think there's any scum motivation behind not reading your role PM; why don't you think that he's pushing on an easy target early?

If I was able to vote and change my vote, I'd be voting Long Con for those reasons; MovingPictures is a civilian read at this point.

Yeah, there really isn't much behind it, and LC is historically difficult for me to read. LC's post history has seemed genuine to me; I like the way he handled Mac's "you're trying too hard" with "try harder", he handled the accusation well.

You make a good argument as to why Wilgy's not worth scum reading though; that's why I didn't find it worth any read personally. I've been wrong about LC before for what seemed like manufactured or opportunistic early suspicions though.

I'm historically pretty damn good at reading LC - defending him against bad accusations, attacking him when no one else will listen..

For right now I think he is town. His role analysis shines more when he is town, I think. I can't put it into exact words, but there is a depth to it that indicates genuine thought an desire to get the answers.

Nachomamma8 wrote:At this point I also feel obligated to apologize for how frequently I post, have tried to artificially reduce the number of times I post in the past but I find playing unnaturally kills the quality of my play and I'd rather not do that in my first game on this site (and am generally not convinced that my megawalls are any easier to parse than my large # of posts). If I'm annoying you or ruining your experience, don't be afraid to tell me!

No apologies necessary. You do you. We have lots here (me and MP included) who can blow out games with post count.

MovingPictures07 wrote:To elaborate further: I suppose I've enjoyed the fluffy and slow paced nature of the game so far.

Me too. The recent lull in games filling up have reminded me that a game doesn't need 800 pages for you to find the baddies, and a slower pace can actually be fun!

Besides, I'll be getting distracted every 10 minutes by this -

Well, I fucked that up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm already being held to a lofty standard