The Syndicate

I'm also kind of proud that when nacho kept pushing me for an lc read, I kept saying I didn't read him specifically as bad or town. Nailed it again!

Lc, who did you role check?

insertnamehere wrote:

Long Con wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:... Golden was Mr. Poe, (still laughing at that name-based irony) ...

I don't get the name-based irony, explain!

We've had some disagreements in the past over the POE strategy, so Golden (inadvertently) killing me via Mr. Poe seemed sort of poetic in a way.

So, so ironic! It never even occurred to me!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

DFaraday wrote: Soup has been killed by Sunny and Esme.
LoRab has been killed by Mr. Poe.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lot's of civilian kills last night. But hey! It beats a modkill.

How do you know soup was a civilian?

This is the hint I was talking about.

Oh, I completely read that as a tongue in cheek joke, since mm obviously meant the killers not the victims.

I thought lc was hinting at hector as well. For other comments. what I really want to know is why inh went after lc so hard, that was confusing.

I thought everyone would know I was Poe after the soneji kill.

Yeah, the only possibility we had left which wasn't sorsha was Dom as Olaf.

What I was hoping would happen is the other five voted Dom. That way, if I was right about Dom, we would win by lynching sorsha, and if I were wrong about Dom, we'd win by lynching dom.

Soneji wrote:The lesson here is that different mindsets for scumhunting will always get me suspected on this site. My reasoning was sound and I was right in that Zebra was a baddie trying to push lynches on false pretenses, yet Golden found my logic suspicious.

And I also thought your sprit vote looked like a bus.

Soneji wrote:Its funny how Golden's main reason of suspicion on me was for my suspicion on a member of the opposing mafia team

It wasn't that, it was the way it seemed entirely at odds with what you'd posted before that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Sig was theone who sent me the item. There was zero chance he could be mafia. Unless Olaf secretely could pretend to be Violet and send fake inventions, but not this kind of game.

Golden could still be Olaf fooling Sig's ability somehow, so that's a 2℅ chance of bad instead of 0℅ (according to an estimation I just pulled out of my ass)

But I put sig right through proof in thread that each of poems kills were me and backed it up with the mm kill that I promised as well.

I was actually sort of surprised mp didn't recruit me

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey guys.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Wilgy, Golden, Marco, MP, Zebra, Sorsha

Imo, the vig should target those people first. In whatever order they prefer.

Nothing personal guys, but I doubt more than two of you will manage to catch up before the game is over.

3 baddies, 1 cult leader and only 2 civs.

Lol, and I was so sure soneji was bad that all I could think with that post was 'why did he leave off soneji?'

Of course, I knew I was never vigging myself lol

Sig was phenomenal. Aced this game in every way.

Hey, jack... welcome to the syndicate!!

Zebra seems incapable of rolling town at the moment.

Scotty wrote:What kind of inventions did Dog devise?

I think every one gave him information. Which he then shared with me and ddl when he gave ddl a btsc device.

I can't believe how many people I killed!

noone listened about soneji! Lol.

Sorsha wrote:Congrats winners!

I was ready to concede this the last phase but apparently it was closer than I thought.

Sorry sorsha. You were a trooper!

Quin wrote:Actually, before that, we were going to lynch you today

That would have been the smart move.

The thing is, if sorsha hadn't been lynched, I would have been forced to try to kill jack - I couldn't remove the townie numbers nor risk being at 8 tomorrow with only 3 cultists still not wanting the game to end, and potentially no dom to give us a vote advantage either...

If I killed jack, it would have fixed the risk profile. But it would have deprived jack and lc of the win. I really didn't want to have to do that.

Quin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Quin wrote:But why end it early? We figured we could force a tie. Or was our math wrong?

Dom's vote was worth 4 at this point, so there were 7 votes on Sorsha.

Oh, okay. I thought it was worth 3. I did my math wrong. Daisy had an extra vote so we thought it'd be a 6v6 tie.

6/2 = 3... you probably forgot the one he started with.

Out of nacho, scotty, zebra and soneji I'm not sure which was Strauss. The rest were bad.

Quin wrote:But why end it early? We figured we could force a tie. Or was our math wrong?

Did you have an extra vote up your sleeve?

Good work guys. Shame it happened just after I left work with my spreadsheet. ill try to recreate it later but it's challenging by phone.

Inh - I didn't kill you! Eloh redirected me, and saved her husband in doing it (I was hoping to silence epi rather than kill him to let him know my role)

Dom wrote:It wouldn't matter at that point, would it?


votes sorsha

I very much hope that it won't.

DF, I think Quin is asking about order of blocking. If two blockers blocked each other, who wins?

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Risky. Dom isn't actually a cleared civ by the logic I think you're following.

I'm sure of Dom, but I also know that Dom needs more than just me being sure of him, to be sure of me.

what does this mean?

That you will think through your vote rationally rather than following blindly.

oh i thought you had a more specific meaning

The more specific meaning was that Quin was misunderstanding my logic.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Risky. Dom isn't actually a cleared civ by the logic I think you're following.

I'm sure of Dom, but I also know that Dom needs more than just me being sure of him, to be sure of me.

what does this mean?

That you will think through your vote rationally rather than following blindly.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Risky. Dom isn't actually a cleared civ by the logic I think you're following.

I'm sure of Dom, but I also know that Dom needs more than just me being sure of him, to be sure of me.

linki @dom - I do too.

I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:Sorsha would have killed herself if she didn't know she would survive?

I mean, there was discussion of the two different civilian roles that could block her during the night...

And, who knows what else is going on.

One thing I'm very sure of, though, is that it doesn't matter what the explanation is for Sorsha being the kill target, she is the last baddie anyway.

If it matters to me, does it matter at all to you?

Absolutely. It's why I wanted to wait to vote, originally, until I was clear that you were 100% on board, not just 95%

Dom wrote:Sorsha would have killed herself if she didn't know she would survive?

I mean, there was discussion of the two different civilian roles that could block her during the night...

And, who knows what else is going on.

One thing I'm very sure of, though, is that it doesn't matter what the explanation is for Sorsha being the kill target, she is the last baddie anyway.

And mine about whether its win dead or alive

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:At this point its clear Sorsha is neither dead nor silenced so I kind of consider the question moot, since she was probably blocked by Mr Poe in any event.

Mine or Quin's?

Yours, because she could still have been blocked either way.

That's not to say an answer wouldn't be helpful. It would be. To both yours and Quin's questions.

At this point its clear Sorsha is neither dead nor silenced so I kind of consider the question moot, since she was probably blocked by Mr Poe in any event.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm really just waiting for the absolute definite from dom. I'm sure sig will be in.

i said i was in...

You did. I was going to be ultra cautious. But then the three of us voted for Sorsha. If you do as well I think we have this won.

Scotty wrote:Ill take a rez for $500, Alex.

And yes MP I'm talking to you.

You must be. Jeopardy doesn't have a $500 question.

Quin wrote:I feel like this game has become less about civilians versus mafia and more about civilians versus independents. What a change of pace.

I'm still versus mafia. I don't feel I'm against you. If the game didn't end today, and there was a chance tomorrow to make a move that actively won us all the game, I'd take it.

Jack, meet sig

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:You have all the evidence you should need to know I didn't play you

I will trust information obtained by abiities in a closed setup game when hell freezes over.

I just mean that I've been completely genuine and done exactly what I've said I will do. But, I understand the tinfoil.

Oh, also, I didn't vote for you back on day two even when I wanted to. I'm beginning to figure you out. Maybe. Possibly.

You have all the evidence you should need to know I didn't play you

Voted sorsha

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Didn't Dom already make clear he's in? What are we waiting for?

OK, lets do it.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Well, I'm sure you understand when I say I can't vote for one of my own. I'm sure you know, like, we could suggest Jack as a compromise candidate, but that wouldn't be fair or right, and you know it. It just is what it is at this point, I think.

This is the reason I tell people not to recruit me on pain of death to their entire team. Because when I get placed in your position, I help my old team win instead of my new one.

Except when I'm recruited early. My World Reborn recruitment was epic.

In this case, I just feel like you got very unfortunate and unlucky. You can't blame Ishmael for trying.

No, I wouldn't. I figure I still need to post in hypotheticals so 'If Jack is VFD, lynching him would deny LC a win too'. You guys didn't even consider LC, did you?

I did consider LC. I'm not willing to vote Jack as a compromise candidate either.

Quin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

That is...................what I am doing.

Yes, it is! What I'm doing too.

Quin wrote:I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Well, I'm sure you understand when I say I can't vote for one of my own. I'm sure you know, like, we could suggest Jack as a compromise candidate, but that wouldn't be fair or right, and you know it. It just is what it is at this point, I think.

This is the reason I tell people not to recruit me on pain of death to their entire team. Because when I get placed in your position, I help my old team win instead of my new one.

Except when I'm recruited early. My World Reborn recruitment was epic.

In this case, I just feel like you got very unfortunate and unlucky. You can't blame Ishmael for trying.

Quin wrote:I think we've disagreed on every single thing in this game, Golden.

And yet, I'm still sorry that I feel we are here in this position that you might lose.

But I'm glad that you've survived this deep. It feels like you keep dying early recently, and those patches suck.

I know it's not your intent.

Quin wrote:Right now town has the opportunity to extend their win. You're so confident Sorsha is the last baddie, so hold onto that. Town will still be able to win even after letting the cultists and VFD in on it. If something did go wrong during the night and a cultist was killed, then I'd say cut your losses and go for it. But right now you're actively working towards a pretty shit outcome for a lot of people. That sucks.

And you're actively trying to lynch one of my teammates and asking me to do the same.

Would you lynch Jack, Quin? Would you do that to extend this? Because I think the answer is no. You're loyal to Jack, as you should be.

Don't get all righteous with me. You're not on my side. You're actively working against my team by trying to lynch one of them. I'm loyal to sig, to DDL, to dom, and I'm going to stick by them, and no amount of emotional manipulation will move me. And I have a shot for us to win the game right here, and no guarantees I'll get that shot again. Of course I'm going to take the shot.

MP and Daisy are quite literally my closest friends on this site. Friends for life. There's no way I'd actively cost them a win if I felt I had a choice. But there is no choice here.

OK, Jack. Thanks, thats clear enough! I hope you do win, whatever comes. I understand your choice and position.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:There are nine players tho. What if Jack sides with Sorsha?

I'm confident that if the four of us vote together, we end the game and win.

Ishmael removes your old win con, though.