The Syndicate

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Golden wrote:inh, I think people will vote for whatever game they like in the end. This is season one of Syndicate Survivor - it has to evolve it's own way, not as though it's part of the show continuity. It will be interesting to see what that means if scotty brings it back for season 2 (which I hope he does).

I agree that's probably what will happen- people voting for who they like/didn't screw them over, but I personally don't think that's what should happen, and will make my opinion clear on the subject to the degree I am capable of changing others minds.

I kind of like that for all we know Epi is picking based on who drafts the best fantasy sports team. That's season 1 thinking right there!

But don't say, because scotty wants to keep the suspense.

notsawyer540 wrote:Wait, are we on the same side here?

Quite possibly.

inh, I think people will vote for whatever game they like in the end. This is season one of Syndicate Survivor - it has to evolve it's own way, not as though it's part of the show continuity. It will be interesting to see what that means if scotty brings it back for season 2 (which I hope he does).

notsawyer540 wrote:I'm in a toss-up between opt and sorsha. It was opt who won seven billion immunity challenges, right?

Correct. Five in a row.

LoRab wrote:Like I said, behind the scenes.

Yeah, sorsha did stuff for sure. I see your game and sorsha's game as similar except I saw more of yours in btsc than hers.

I'm really pleased that it looks like everyone will get votes and they all get recognised. They all played well, and a close finish will be an exciting finish.

I voted for opt.

Hard call between opt and quin. I find both very deserving.

But I think quin got lucky that opt suddenly found her heart in the last vote, and I do think he implied lorab didn't deserve to win when I think lorab was playing one of the best games out there.

S~V~S wrote:OK, she did not actually answer it lol. cagey girl, that one. No mention of luck.

I am OK, Scotty. No need for more questions.

Having read the answer, it's pretty clever. She's basically implying none of it was luck.

I think it's fairly noticeable that all of those left are pretty good FEBs, actually.

I tell you, if opt plays enough mafia games, she will enter the pantheon of FEBs. She is going to be incredibly difficult to pin down when bad.

S~V~S wrote:One question. But I still have two more each, right? I can do it in one post if you prefer. I misunderstood, I just thought it had to be in three posts.

I iz confused and will be sad if I can't ans anything else.

You get one question for each player, not three (I wish I could ask three each! There's more I want to ask!). I think it is all a bit confusing for a non-Survivor watcher.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:See, I was truthful in my dealings, and I wound up here. Deception is how you get to the end (that or having a role that lets you find all the idols). I can't fault Opt for telling lies. That's not clownish- that's gamesmanship.

But Opt is lying now. And that's just not wise. Or, she's been lying in the game so much that she doesn't remember what the truth actually is.

Deception while the game is going on is one thing. Deception after the fact is just poorly thought out.

I think Opt is confused about what she was trying to achieve, or she didn't have a clear vision of it.

I really want to vote for Opt. I made a promise in game that if I wasn't at the end and LoRab or Opt was, I'd vote for Opt. But, I can't escape the sense that this is why I got voted out (and LoRab too...) that Opt wanted us here to vote for her. And if she just said that, I'd respect that and vote for her.

I told her she's the person I'm least likely to vote for because I want to see how she does under the pressure of FTC. I find it equally hard to vote for Quin when he had such a massive role advantage, even though I think he's the one that should never have been allowed to get there.

I can't vote for sorsha unless she's able to explain what she did. At the moment I have to be honest it looks like she got lucky that opt decided to turn on me when she did, because if opt had wanted to stay loyal there was nothing sorsha could have done to survive.

S~V~S wrote:Quin made the move on DH ,not me. That was as big a move as hers on you.

That post sounded kinda braggy and it surprises me a bit.

Quins the one who had to lie to my face too. Opt didn't have btsc with me that day. But no doubt it was her idea, I'm just not sure I would have won (like, for example, I don't believe I could have gotten your vote svs).

Where I think opt has gone wrong is, she understood the need to be cutthroat with me, but I always felt quin was playing better than me. Why didn't she vote quin out?

I'll probably vote opt. She did play well and she answered my question well and I do think she has earned the win. But I think quin has earned it too. In the end my guess is that quin gets more votes but that opt might have beaten lorab... might have, although I really have huge respect for the game lorab played here. But I think the last vote could cost opt the game.

I can't wait to hear your stories lorab! Sorry to see you go.

Epignosis wrote:Opt's role gave her advantages...okay fine. What manner of advantages?

I don't know exactly how it advantaged her in each challenge... take the willpower one, though... noone else participated because Opt and Quin were so much better than the rest of us in such challenges that clearly we could not beat them.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.

I missed this business about winning challenges and idols with ease. Please enlighten me.

Opt's role gave her advantages in the challenges. Quin's role told him where idols were so he could just go find them every time they came back out.

Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.

Boy, quin and opt both have terrible public arguments for why they shouldn't be voted out. "Who you'd have more satisfaction beating?" - c'mon quin, that's a pretty bad read of LoRab's game.

I'm having more and more trouble figuring out who to vote for here. Opt and Quin should be voting each other, and I can't and won't buy any 'loyalty' talk from either of them. Frankly I'm beginning to think Sorsha deserves to win.

Why did you choose me to poison as opposed to someone else, Elo?

S~V~S wrote:I disagree.She is playing traditional Mafia here, like other people care about that. There are no "baddies". She is trying to get him lynched like in a mafia game, but the others may actually (especially Opt) admire a move like that, not think it needs to be punished by voting him out.

Unless Sorsha changed her focus ALOT I think she is more likely to vote for Lorab than Quin, but I have never even pretended to know how Sorsha thinks.

If you admire what someone does, that's why you vote them out. The jury will admire them too.

I think they'd be foolish to vote for LoRab. Opt and Quin are the obvious threats to win here.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think LoRab is doing herself any favors with Sorsha or Opt with this going after Quin like she is.

Why not? Quin is not them. Sorsha is right that they should vote for the biggest threat to win (and that is Quin in my opinion, I'll probably vote for him if he makes it through this vote, although I do think his role helping him find idols all the time gave him a big advantage, so I have to think about that...) LoRab is doing a fine job of painting a target the three might be able to agree on, I think.

Honestly, my expectation is that Quin will end up back here. He would have been better off with me. I intended to tie it two all at this point to help Quin even if that meant I voted for Opt! But he had no way of knowing that. But if he makes it through, good on him!

I also think LoRab has been deliberately going after people she can paint as 'baddies' because you should vote out people who aren't acting in your interests. LoRab spent most of her time in btsc trying to argue why particular people weren't on your side and why you should vote them. I see that as sound strategy.

I don't take any offence elo. I never guessed it was you!

Good work sorsha! Interesting to see who ends up back here. If I were them I'd vote opt out, but I'm guessing it will be quin. Both are big threats.

It's been great scotty. Can't wait for season 2.

At the moment my expected question for each of opt and quin is why should I vote for someone whose role gave them such a big advantage that neither could be voted out until final 4.

S~V~S wrote:Part of the problem is also the BTS, we have no idea what people actually did since most of it happened BTSC. So who knows how much subtle treachery happened that we will never know about? Like Sorsha probably was verycr afty in BTSC, but we have no way of knowing that.

It's unfortunate.

This is what our questions at final tribal council are for! It's true in real Survivor too. It all happens somewhere you aren't and you only have scraps and the stories of people who get booted to go on.

I probablly won't vote for Elo to win, but I'd be perfectly happy with that outcome. When Epi told me he wanted 'opt, elo or SVS to win', that was just fine with me, except that I wanted me to win more.

I see no reason not to take Elo to the end at this point. There is no alliance of three people left. If I was in a similar position where Opt had been taken out by Quin and LoRab and left me out of it, I would realise this is an individual game now.

S~V~S wrote:Well, I think the First deal you made, me & Quin, should have been the one you stuck with

Well, that was my plan!

I honestly believe if your elim day hadn't panned out the way it did. Not only that, but since opt clearly did turn on me in the end and was probably going to be of a mind to do that even without the vote for you, I think it would have been you me and quin.

But, what could I do? LoRab wasn't going home, and you wouldn't have sorsha, and I couldn't convince LoRab to vote Elo... I tried so many times to hint to you that I felt my hands were tied and I didn't like the direction of the vote, but you wouldn't budge!

I learned a couple of good lessons in this game if there's ever a sequel. The first is that flexibility is king, because you never know things such as what btsc is going on that you don't know about (that day's btsc was completely unpredictable, and I think you made the decision to go after LoRab publicly in part because you expected there was no btsc at all). The second is, don't trust people who seem too calm. I kept telling Quin 'I'm not sure if opt is on side to keep you, I have some convincing to do... we need to work hard on that' and he was all like 'We're going to final three, I'm not worried, go us'. I should have known by the fact Quin wasn't as worried about his own survival as I was, that I was not in the loop.

My biggest problem in the game, was making a preseason final three with SVS and Quin and then not being on their tribe until the merge.

I had to make deals to survive the first phase (I had a final three with opt and DH and a final five with LoRab and chuck)
Then I had to make a deal to survive the swap (a final three with sorsha)

So at the merge, I had final three deals with opt, quin, svs and sorsha and final five deals with LoRab and chuck.

I never made any more deals beyond that, though... just what I felt I had to do to be in the majority and survive to the merge.

notsawyer540 wrote:I asked to be voted out. I actually had to ask twice because they voted out LC instead the first time.

For the same reason that people in the other tribe should not have voted Quin! I didn't want to vote you in case you had an idol (and I didn't want opt out, she was the only person I trusted at that point).

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote:I can't wait to hear LoRab's take on what was going on. That's the perspective I feel like I'm lacking the most. She had a lot going on. I think you can directly track speedchuck's elimination to her as well as yours (it was LoRab who first told me speed was saying 'golden has a lot of alliances' - although I was out on speed from the moment he confronted LC when LC was after him, because that was too scary for me to trust).

I also don't know where the DF stuff has come from. In my experience the push on DF was all from Elo and I'm interested to find out if thats why LoRab pushed it with you or if it was off her own bat.

That snitch. I was wondering what you were talking about with me betraying you first in thread. Should've known, I guess. I was pretty sure you had already betrayed me at that point by making other alliances, though.

Well, I had

I betrayed you first when you confronted LC! I immediately went back and said to opt... we can't trust chuck's instincts, here I am having his back and he's putting it in jeopardy, LC might realise we are after him and play an idol!

LC was genuinely after you though! I was like "What is chuck doing! LC is a likeable guy, but you still can't trust him!"

S~V~S wrote:Golden who did you share your reward with?

Lorab. It was tails and she called tails.

Do you think it will be quin who is back here with us tomorrow? Has opt realised quin will probably win if he stays?

DFaraday wrote:My time on the Day 1 challenge is still being brought up.

Sorry buddy.

I'm also sorry you were in the dark on those three votes that came your way. You were just a name that would be believable to inh and chuck, nothing more, at least thats what it was to me and I was the one whose idea it was. My expectation was always that the following day would be chuck and even when it ended up being two people I was expecting the second to be sorsha or elo.

S~V~S wrote:I never talked to Eloh. LoRab was all like, Oh, Sorsha,who is she sharing with? And Once INH is dead, who needs Faraday.

I felt like her Eloh alliance was her primary focus at times.

I definitely felt the elo alliance was her primary focus. The day you went, she wanted sorsha out (you were correct there). I wanted elo out to hobble her a bit.

S~V~S wrote:I assumed it was *us*.

The meta group, Goldens ideal final 5.

I saved a synopsis of one of Lorab and my chats. It was the night before I was expecting to get chat with you, Golden, but then chat was suspended. I wanted to talk to you about her and some odd thoughts she had. At one point she absolutely freaked on me that *ME & OPT* had pulled oneon *YOU & LORAB*.

This confused the fuck out of me, lol.

I can't wait to hear LoRab's take on what was going on. That's the perspective I feel like I'm lacking the most. She had a lot going on. I think you can directly track speedchuck's elimination to her as well as yours (it was LoRab who first told me speed was saying 'golden has a lot of alliances' - although I was out on speed from the moment he confronted LC when LC was after him, because that was too scary for me to trust).

I also don't know where the DF stuff has come from. In my experience the push on DF was all from Elo and I'm interested to find out if thats why LoRab pushed it with you or if it was off her own bat.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Plus I think I was told that it was your day, tbh. A day or two before, I was told *Name (INH maybe? Speed? I don't recall the lynch order)* today, Epi tomorrow and I did not feel too bad about that since you seemed to be "meh".

Epi today, inh tomorrow... I think inh is the only one that was ever planned a day in advance. I was trying to stop people throwing out names early, you never know who you might have to work with the next day.

What's interesting is that it came to you as orders. Whenever I asked people it was 'get SVS opinion' or 'get player x's opinion' because my game strategy was to try and keep as many people happy and in consensus as possible. I didn't want anyone to feel like I didn't have their back or I was bossing them around.

Maybe it was them, not you? Did this occur to you? Hearing your responses in here, it was a thought I had.

It was obviously them not me. But I think while in the game you assumed it was me.

S~V~S wrote:And I think these LMS games come down to women a lot because in LMS environments, overt aggression seems to be selected against, and although this is a fairly gross generalization, men on average tend to be more aggressive, and there be seen as more of a threat.

I agree.

I came in to the game concerned about the possibility of Elo/LoRab/Sorsha/SVS forming a core 'womens alliance' but it never eventuated. The women aren't there at the end because they ganged up on the men, they're there because they weren't perceived as the immediate threat.

S~V~S wrote:Plus I think I was told that it was your day, tbh. A day or two before, I was told *Name (INH maybe? Speed? I don't recall the lynch order)* today, Epi tomorrow and I did not feel too bad about that since you seemed to be "meh".

Epi today, inh tomorrow... I think inh is the only one that was ever planned a day in advance. I was trying to stop people throwing out names early, you never know who you might have to work with the next day.

What's interesting is that it came to you as orders. Whenever I asked people it was 'get SVS opinion' or 'get player x's opinion' because my game strategy was to try and keep as many people happy and in consensus as possible. I didn't want anyone to feel like I didn't have their back or I was bossing them around.

Epignosis wrote:You should know by now that guys don't survive LMS events here.

Why did I get voted out so early? I was just trying to be generally useful.

You and notsawyer, both just were easy votes that no one seemed likely to oppose. At least that's why I did it.

And that probably is why quin voted me out, and good for him! But I still think it's left him exposed now. He needed his idol today and I laid out a day by day plan for us to get to the end together that would have kept him a lot more safe. I bet opt moves him away from any idol search he might do and tries to cut him next.

Yes we should have. Instead I played my btsc to cut people off... inh for example, if I had btsc with him he was down to only one source of real info. But it meant I wasn't getting btsc with allies. I think that was my biggest mistake in the game.

Second only is letting the same trick be played on me yesterday though. I let opt slide for the day when I should have locked her up, without her sorsha btsc things might have turned out differently for me.

S~V~S wrote:Any deal I made with ANYONE BUT YOU AND QUIN, had the qualifier, "I am with you until I am not."

I was only in it until the end for you & Quin. Anyone else was temporary, and I said that.

Linki, Eloh was not a threat. Neither was Faraday. I did not want Eloh, I wanted LoRab becasue she insisted on killing the doctor. Even BEFORE he asked for it. I let him do it becasue I knew he would be hurt even more if we went to lynch.

I know, but lorab was not going home! And that of all days was the day we couldn't get btsc so I couldn't tell you.

S~V~S wrote:Sorsha has a trick up her sleeve; she found something in the jungle that has a large drain effect. Either she used it and it was not enough to take someone out, or she might use it tonight. If she does I think it will be on LoRab.

Lorab and sorsha are both playing the game rather well. At this point I think opt and quin stand out as the big threats though, I could see lorab skating through.

Anyway, svs, I regret how things played out. Btsc was a tricky beast because of how limited it was, I often felt the need to keep an eye on people rather than just talk to allies. But even at the time I was checkmated on voting you out. Eloh was my goal that day and if you'd forced the point on eloh I'm sure she would have gone.

S~V~S wrote:I wasn't trying to play anybody. I was being totally open and honest except during DH.

I was never 100% sure. I wish I had trusted that now, don't I!

Lorab is playing better than people realise. She figured out I had a preseason deal with dh (I don't know how... maybe from dh) and used your voting him out to convince me long term you were pulling power plays on me.

I probably also assumed quin was consulting you better than he was. We agreed sorsha/eloh 7-8 and df/lorab 5/6. You were worried about ratios but I was doing everything I could to keep them even.

S~V~S wrote:Well you should have trusted me. The ONLY alliance I had was the pregame one I made with you and I played the game for that goal.

You burnt me for a pretty new face , love, and my vote was going to anyone but you or opt. Sorsha has a trick up her sleeve I am surprised she did not use it last night.

I burnt you because nothing I did was going to save you, and I preferred to stab you in the front than pretend I didn't know you were going. If you just trusted me we would have been three strong and even if opt turned on us it would have been too late.

But it's still on me. You were in the dark too much.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I tried to warn of Golden's treachery. It didn't go well for me either.

I only voted out people who didn't want to do what they agreed they would do.

Lie.

I never agreed to put Lorab above our alliance.

Did you not agree to take her to five?

I agreed lorab at five and df at six and that's the way it was going to be. We needed to get sorsha out early.

Anyway at the point you decided your vote was going to lorab it was over. Lorab was having an idol played on her.

Btw, I had btsc with quin and he played as well as I played inh, for what that's worth. He put me completely at ease.