The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:39 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.

That was actually the moment I really thought you were bad, because if you were honest about your role it made turnips an extremely coincidental lie if it was one.

Well, I was kind of honest about my role ... and kind of not

But I mean, I thought a townie with that role would be more likely to defend TH.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm Hooray. I finally have a win in a full game. Only took 3 years.

I actually really, really sucked this game until I came back as a stump and finally made that case against sprityo. I was wrong about almost everything except the angle shooting on Choutas replacing out and consistently reading scotty as town. Wrong about sig and sooooo wrong about Colin. Wrong going after Epi, Kyle, Golden, wrong on day 1 about nutella and quin. Wrong about spacedaisy at the start. I also thought Lunalee was town at one point.

And yet you fucking killed it at the end.

I was cheering in the stands for you.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.

That was actually the moment I really thought you were bad, because if you were honest about your role it made turnips an extremely coincidental lie if it was one.

Also Colin, well held nerve killing Quin instead of me. I used every trick I had to bait you into killing me so I could scum-firm you.

I really didn’t want to make my flavour claim speed. Sorry for that being overpowered.

And thanks for subbing in swimmingly Jules

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:19 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!

I gotta admit that it’s pretty funny how our downfall came from being teammate compatible with sig, who was nothing but his usual civ self through and through.

Luna’s did lol, which is funny. But I admitted to speed that I felt sure you were not sigs teammate. I was sure one of you was bad with Luna, I was hedging on which lol.

Your iso was so thoroughly clean as a whistle when it came to sig, you can see how I just leapt over it in my iso of you.

But so pleased you all brought it home.

Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!

Well played guys. I’m sorry to have subbed out in the end, in that we were so close! Also, the moment sprit role claimed I was sure he was bad.

Well played, glad to have been part of this win!

SnakeDaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:48 pm I didn't realize google took skill....

I was able to find and buy a book from my childhood by description when I couldn't remember the name of the book, the author or any particularly identifying details with a very well constructed google search.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:22 pm golden do you have a subscriptio to stock images .com?

I'm just better at google apparently

SnakeDaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:05 pm Is this for a new avatar as well?

It is possible that this was my intention...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:42 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:29 pm Omg why is Daisy a snake o.O

Ask DharmaHelper

OK, colin day 2.
I did say I'd present this essentially without commentary. But I'll at least explain what I see.

I see someone who read the case on Luna and said they'd reassess her, but showed no evidence of reassessing her.
I see someone who fought for a TH lynch all day, and never fought for a Luna lynch, even after he switched his vote. Particularly that second to last quote which was aimed at Kyle.
I see someone whose vote switch to Luna was arbitrary and unexplained, and read like he still preferred a TH vote.
I see a reaction to Luna's lie that was... incredibly cursory and incomplete.

I think Colin's behaviour on this day presents like a person who saw (and knew) that the case on Luna had merit, preserved his position on it, but then ignored it to push a TH counterwagon until a continued fight against the Luna wagon was unsustainable, and then flipped to Luna with no convinction to be on the right wagon.

Tell me why I'm wrong?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:07 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:03 am Day 0/1

Spoiler: show

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:17 pm Zephyrus was an indy who was stealing people for his sexual cavern

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:33 am Zephyrus and Quin, who do you think we should lynch?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:13 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 am nutella is a civ and either one of mac and golden is bad

This.

I think it’s Golden. He’s super cautious with his wording and he’s slognrly agreeable to many people’s thoughts without actually committing. So he’s voting Quin.

But I’m keeping my vote on Zeph

Why would you keep your vote on Zeph then?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:27 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:13 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 am nutella is a civ and either one of mac and golden is bad

This.

I think it’s Golden. He’s super cautious with his wording and he’s slognrly agreeable to many people’s thoughts without actually committing. So he’s voting Quin.

But I’m keeping my vote on Zeph

Why would you keep your vote on Zeph then?

Because at least Golden is contributing

But scum don’t actually contribute to a pro-town effort

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:56 pm The ISO glance I just did confirmed that there are several users whose contributions/interactions thus far mirror Zephyrus’ or are off-topic: Lapluie, Lunalee, Choutas, Spacedaisy. Y’all should tell us who feels fishy.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:11 pm I am also wondering if Epi’s characterization of Zephyrus here is something the rest of you agree with.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:41 pm

Zephyrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:00 pm
Let's do some time stuff!

Invited people to do stuff.

Has done nothing.

[VOTE: Zephyrus] aubergine

I agree with the base argument that it is a likely scumtell if someone attempts to adopt an appearance of contributing without actually doing the work. I am not so sure that’s what Zephyrus is doing.

Put it this way: is his statement closer to “People should figure out who’s scum” (an invitation to do stuff) or “I am here and ready for the game” (a statement related to speef’s desire for us to check in). I am leaning toward the latter, but I want to hear from everybody else.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:22 pm I’ve speed-ISO’d Scotty, Golden, Zephyrus, Epignosis and a few others who will remain unnamed for now but I’m not exactly satisfied with my findings. Neither Scotty nor Golden look that great so maybe buzzed Colin was onto something.

For what's it worth, colin spent most of the rest of day 1 pushing basically 'golden and scotty are bad'. One point in the ok column is that he found sig weird, but he never actually pushed for a sig lynch there, I'll see what day two brings. Possibly fine for sig's team to suspect him in the circumstances.

Be back for day 2 in a bit.

The reason I am not seeing him as bad is because I feel that he has been really seeing things the way I have. He has the same tinfoil suspects and he has asked good questions. I also have seen him attack and defend a lot of the players and I personally go out of my way to do that as scum BECAUSE I know most scum don't do that.

I also proactively defend scummates but I do that BECAUSE other scum player tend not to.

So if Colin is bad he is doing a good job imo because he is doing everything that I do when bad that wins me games.

For now, all I'm doing is demonstrating what he's been against. He was clearly against Zephyrus as outlayed. I won't provide too much in the way of value judgments over the top. I personally think his gameplan has been to slyly redirect the thread away from his team and towards an alternate outcome, not putting himself far wrong of a town meta but very carefully protecting his teammates without being too overt. The Luna day is particularly important.

I agree, much like a Mac baddie game (or a golden one). It's also one of the only ways to catch MP and probably Jay.

But, most go for a bit now. Be back later.

OK.

I'm Marty McFly.

Day 0/1
For what's it worth, colin spent most of the rest of day 1 pushing basically 'golden and scotty are bad'. One point in the ok column is that he found sig weird, but he never actually pushed for a sig lynch there, I'll see what day two brings. Possibly fine for sig's team to suspect him in the circumstances.

Be back for day 2 in a bit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:56 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:47 am Can someone answer me who has a better recollection than I, what the thread tone was towards the Zephyrus lynch and the Lunalee lynch. Was there much in the way of pushback from anybody on them?

The answer is always Colin in my opinion. Colin is the person who has been most at work trying to avoid the lynches that eventually occurred.

Okay can you show me?

Currently working on it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:46 am I am surprised that you are so circumspect towards someone you have BTSC with. That's usually a pretty hard thing to manage to do.

idk what that means

In my experience people trust their BTSC partners more than they should.

my first ever btsc experience involved Black Rock teaching me how to play mafia and then her getting recruited by Reavers late game and dismantling our town block manipulating me all the way. :[ I never fully recovered

My first ever scum win involved Little Tiger jailing me on day 2, me having to claim a role, LUCKILY claiming the role that was nightkilled N1 (by sheer fluke) and making up a plausible role power since it was *secrets*, and then coasted that to a 'all scum alive' win with LT championing me as a civ. It was glorious.

Scrooge would naturally be good, I would have assumed... he is redeemed at the end.

The Doctor is obviously good. BUT - the baddies will have fake flavour claims.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:08 pm Is there a sex cave in this one too? I’d like to be involved if at all possible.

On day zero

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:47 am Can someone answer me who has a better recollection than I, what the thread tone was towards the Zephyrus lynch and the Lunalee lynch. Was there much in the way of pushback from anybody on them?

The answer is always Colin in my opinion. Colin is the person who has been most at work trying to avoid the lynches that eventually occurred.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:15 pm- Solving the game by flavor claiming is frowned upon and will NOT help you

I'd love to join the flavour claiming party but I've been intentionally studiously avoiding it.

If I shared mine, it would also make sense. So does scotty's. We're a pair, you know?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:38 am galaxy brain theory: mafia scheme was to use sig's power to vanish turnip head to justify his claim but now they cant

Oh wow... I love this idea. That could be very true.

Has anyone noticed that what is up for bid tonight is a 'quill'? Sig got a quill AND a wig, right? Is it possible he used teh wig and not the quill?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:37 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:36 am Is it at all possible that you're just really overthinking this game, Mac?

Yes. But I don't care because it's fun to think about.

Good. Please don't care!

Is it at all possible that you're just really overthinking this game, Mac?

Yeah it’s not absolute just indicative

Speedchuck also guaranteed no cults.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:12 am And speedchuck if you didn't do any of this stuff I am speculating please do it for Retrocausality 2.

Spacedaisy you been watching the thread for ages what you doin?

Probably reading my exchange with epi

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:11 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:08 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:05 am The other reason I think it’s unlikely is the specific references to flavour in the rules

Don't understand this?

The baddies have fake flavour claims, the townies have ‘good’ time travel characters, the baddies have ‘bad’ ones is my assumption

I mean the entire premise is based on my own paranoia so it's probably wrong but this logic might only cover the original bad guy having a fake claim in that case.

This is exactly how the time travel game worked on RYM I think, I’d i recall correctly. Rundontwalk was the terminator and sole baddie at the start.

I love fringe.

I do think it’s tinfoil at the moment but worth keeping an eye on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:08 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:05 am The other reason I think it’s unlikely is the specific references to flavour in the rules

Don't understand this?

The baddies have fake flavour claims, the townies have ‘good’ time travel characters, the baddies have ‘bad’ ones is my assumption

The other reason I think it’s unlikely is the specific references to flavour in the rules

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:02 am Hence why the civ win con is "all the paradox police are vanished at the same time". It seems at face value to be a typical win con and vanish is just killed but I think it might also mean that players can become paradox police.

I just assumed it was framed that way because people can come back.

I also think sig wanting to use his ability early and expressly talking about it makes sense if this is true. Because he can’t use it if he’s last baddie left.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:01 am I have had a little tinfoil theory since the start of the game that players become paradox police as the game unfolds. ie. the game started with one and that player sets in motion how/when others become police based on something to do with their role. I only base this on it being cool and I think kind of a logical thing to have done in the build.

1) if this is not true please make this game
2) the game ends when ‘all paradox police have vanished’ so that seems like the game would end at the start
3) if your tinfoil theory is right this game would be insane and essentially unsolvable and only here for the ride.

If you pick me at least we’ll learn if it includes items and non role based actions.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:40 am So the role doesn't also undo the original action ergo if he doctored someone on night one you undoctor them thus potentially altering the timelines?

yes, exactly. it undoes the original action and redoes it a phase later. cut and paste.

What about macs point. How can it, for example, undo what I’ve seen?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:44 am I don't know how this makes sense. How can you unwatch what I did?

Good point, but I’m all for causing paradox.

So it’s a duplicate?

Does it work only on roles or item uses too? If it works on item uses as well as roles you could use it on me to enable me to watch myself again. People could make claims that I might be able to test.

PS I still do read epi as town.

And Kyle.

I feel like we have a big town core.

I guess the choir are already converted, Kyle. You should be preaching to the unwashed horde who will otherwise be damned for eternity?

I mean, you wouldn’t have known I was watching myself. So you couldn’t have targeted me to fool me.

Scotty can’t be.

Of you and her she’s the only one who’d do what the two of you did just to fool me.

BUT - what really sort of finally secured my faith in daisy is that I believe her night 2 was also town-focussed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:45 am Golden humour me.

If one of Scotty, Spacedaisy and myself was bad. But only one. And you had a gun to your head. Tell me who it is?

Daisy.

It’s worth remembering this is essentially a rolemadness heist.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:56 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:55 pmHere!

[VOTE: ColinisCool] aubergine

Sig is scum. Wrap it up.

Anyway I just want to say that if it does in fact turn out sig was bad that this was my first post lol

Your day one gut is actually a fucking God.