The Syndicate

It's wrong, but I still like it.

I like most of your thought process there, Quin.

If I'm bad, Quin, who is my remaining partner? If I am bad, what is my logic behind turning on Sprityo when my team is still in a position of near absolute strength?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:29 pm G-Man generally had three options on Day 4.

A) Vote for Fredwood
B) Vote for Elohcin
C) Vote (and assumedly promote) another candidate

His posts would make A or B counterproductive options, so I would have expected him to go with C. But he never mentioned any other name that might be getting his vote that day. He named his opposition to both Fredwood and Eloh lynches, gave reasoning behind it and proposed an exercise he didn't participate in himself.

Ironically, I did the very thing on Day 4 that I criticized Fredwood of doing on Day 2. I was just more annoying vocal about agonizing over my decision. I don't fault you for voting for me, Quin. I don't deny that my behavior has been different this game.

I'm comfortable enough voting for Wilgy now. His vote will tie things up, so it's going to come down to Dyslexicon, Quin, and Tink. I'll be back before the deadline for some conversation if anyone is around and willing. My vote isn't a final one but it is a comfortable one.

I'm heading out to dinner shortly, but I want to bring these lists back up. From the lynched and the NK's, the middle list isn't being cleaned out. There are just two names left on the list Sprityo called dumb and the people he failed to mention at all. Does that change your perception of how Sprityo classified his teammates?

G-Man's Suss List, Which Was Called Dumb By Sprityo:

Fredwood
Neverwhere
Nutella
Sprityo
Tink

Sprityo's Preferred Lynch List:

Boo
Quin/Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Eloh
G-Man

People Sprityo Omitted From His List:

DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
MacDougall

I've got a question for DDL, since he's knowledgeable in Pokemon. You theorized that the types might somehow determine tiebreakers in lynches. Check your fancy Poke-Chart and tell me if this jives.

On Day 1, three people tied for first place. They were Jack, Tony, and Timmer. Tony was lynched and flipped Gible. Jack flipped Charmander and Timmer flipped Bulbasaur.

If you put Gible, Charmander, and Bulbasaur together in Thunderdome, does Gible lose?


Also, on Day 2, Timmer and Boo were tied. Timmer was Bulbasaur. The following base Pokemon are still alive (though some have probably evolved by now): Pidgey, Snover, Torchic, Igglybuff, Riolu, Mew, Inkay, Gastly, Mewtwo. Assuming Boo was still his base Pokemon at the time, which of those base Pokemon could have beaten Bulbasaur?


Apply the same scenario to Day 3 when we got Sprityo. Sprityo was Meowth. He tied with Tink and lost. Which of the base Pokemon left could have beaten Meowth?

It feels like you are the defacto choice for today's lynch. I understand with the reasons why people think you need to go but I don't agree with planting their votes down right out of the gate without using the day for discussion. Their minds are made up it seems.

I don't have a read on Neverwhere yet but I see plenty of little things that could point to Wilgy being a baddie. Can anyone other than Wilgy point to anything that is substantial enough to clear Wilgy from suspicion?

I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

I'm not rushing into anything today.

It's 6v2v1. We're running out of time and margin for error.

It's been a very bad game for me. I'm lost without my full vote analysis shtick and the participation has been dreadful. Real life has been frantic as well between catching up on things and prepping for vacation.

Linki: shoot. RIP Mac.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:24 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:51 pm If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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I'm not looking for a power play here. I'm just having a little fun poking and prodding you before the night post drops.

I do find the whole thing odd but you flatter me with the insinuation that I'm crafty enough to try to turn everyone against you over this.

If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

I remember when the srsbsnss smiley was named after bigsimpsin..

It's too late for your story to help you any because you already played the "you never asked" defense.

If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

I just hope this game is over by next Friday. I'll be heading to the beach that night.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:56 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:31 pm I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

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Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?

It's one thing to grumble about once the game reaches a certain point but it's another thing to park on that subject all game long. I can't recall the last time someone was so singularly focused on it like you've been.

I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

In looking at the votes, Wilgy has a pretty crappy record this game. He missed Day 1's deadline because he was shopping. He was part of the Timmer meta lynch train Day 2. Day 3, he wanted to vote out the relatively inactive Tink. Day 4 he was on board for minimal-participating Eloh (possibly plus meta, though I'd have to go back). Day 5 he voted for absentee Dyslexicon, whom he voted for again today. His votes have been easy/lazy all the way through.

Since vote analysis is my bread and butter, I'm sticking with Wilgy.

It was in the way Nutella went about her business. She was being semi-critical of tea-partying evo votes but then joined an evo vote trifecta but said she wouldn't commit to it long term. It was very inconsistent in a short period of time. Boo saw it and latched onto it.

Linki: I don't want to feed him excuses, so all I can say is that I recognized Nutella's inconsistencies that he was arguing against.

I think it was Nutella's overreaction to Boo's misinterpretation that conflated their spat and made Boo an easy target. Neither one wanted to back down, so it just got worse for both of them. Boo was taking it too far, which is why he drew the vote fire.

I saw some truth in Boo's posts. Nutella was being inconsistent. Boo just interpreted it to the next level. That's how I saw it anyway.

In fact...

For now at least.

It's kind of sad, looking at who got lynched and why. Tony got votes because he was a no-show and lost a tie-breaker. Timmer got votes because of meta and lost a tie-breaker. Sprityo got votes randomly and based on a hunch, and lost a tie-breaker. Eloh got lynched because of meta and she was an easy target. Fred got lynched because I suck at mafia and we got collectively stupid for a day and spread the vote out way too far. Thus far, nobody has been lynched on anything concrete.

Linki: I'm beginning to get weirded out by Wilgy's game-long desire to eliminate inactives. It's almost nakedly opportunistic, which provides WIFOM.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:10 pm I am a little disappointed by lack of discussion around boo. He tied for the lynch on Day 2. What happened?

I think people wised up and put away their Jump To Conclusions mats. Timmer got votes because of meta and Boo got votes because enough people bought into the idea that he was maliciously twisting Nutella's words. Neither one is a great reason to lynch someone on Day 2, but hey- it happened.

I'm here now. Aside from thinking Tink is a civvie, it's all a murky mess. I could see any of you as mafia at this stage and that's more than a little problematic.

I've been a good worker bee today. I'll grab my last few ISO's and make myself available this evening. Glad to have you back Dyslexicon. Got any fresh thoughts amidst your catching up?

I'm not sure I buy it. With a game this chock full of participation issues, it's not a stretch at all to think the baddies might abstain from using their kill to try and trick us into focusing elsewhere.

In case they actually have the stones to kill me...
Sorry, I've been lazy with the role names.

I'm not throwing in the towel completely. Last night I was mad and overreacting. I will no longer try to lead / run point in this game. Granted, neither the Eloh lynch nor Fred's were entirely my fault, I just don't have the time to dig harder and deeper. Few people seem to give a crap because so many of us are busy. I suppose it's time for me to stop overthinking everything and just shoot from the hip like so many other are doing.

Ignore my input from here on out. I've always sucked as a civvie without my silly technicolors. Nabbing Sprityo was a case of the blind squirrel finding a nut. That much is clear to me now.

Baddies, if you have any honor left in you, please kill me tonight. I don't want to giftwrap this game any more neatly for you than I already have.

I don't necessarily like that I am voting alongside Dragon. Such is life.

I just watched fireworks. Not great ones, because Pennsylvania bans good fireworks. Battery at 3%. I'm going to vote for Fred because he was on my original suss list. I suspect he's probably the indy, though. Check y'all when I can plug in. This day was a royal mess. We need to do a lot of talking tonight and lay out a lot of reads with reasons.

I'm running out of battery, so I might not be able to stay until the deadline.

If we all end up voting for different people for an 11-way tie, I'm gonna cry.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:56 pm Interesting Gman, I didn't notice that. Would you say that we are both floaty or fluffy? You managed to not throw any opinions about either of us while looking at us. Why?

I've said all I care to regarding Dizzy, the case is simple, I'm not confident in it, but I'm confident that we need to not enable this afk gameplay. Sprityo never hard pushing for wallflowers reassures me, but it's hard to judge someone who's not here.

With fred I'd have to go back and find the exact instances that I agreed with him being bad.

DDL has assured us of his "bad civ game" and followed suit. I need to see some good civ game. Him asking me if i was trying to set him up to scum slip was my initial ping and it hasn't changed.

What are your thoughts on these 3 G-Man?

I don't have much of an opinion on either you or DDL because you've been present. For much of this game, we've been occupied with theories on inactives and hammering scum slips. The only reason I caught onto Sprityo was because he was a bubble player. I was looking for coasters. DDL has had diarrhea of the mouth at times and you seem about your average self. Between tempering my natural inclination to suss DDL and tempering my natural desire to trust you, I've been left neutral on you both. I need to ISO you guys but I'm not looking forward to it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:55 pm Normal is a type like any other. Has nothing to do with abilities. Normal pokemon are usually cute things like rodents and birds, and most mammals. They lack some distinct elemental feature that would give them a different type.

Psychic is another type, and is more often associated with emitting powerful bursts of mental damage than obtaining information. Though Elo's role was a telephatical pokemon, so there is a good chance she has some kind of info gathering ability.

I know nothing about Pokemon types. I assumed it was connected to role/powers. Wouldn't info gathering make more sense from 'psychic' than 'fairy'? Maybe I'm trying to force familiar mafia role powers onto Pokemon types.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:51 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:37 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:16 am Could that mean info-gathering/cop-esque?

Why are you assuming Elo's first role had abilities to begin with?

If Mew and Mewtwo are listed with abilities but cannot evolve, why wouldn't the first role description listed for Eloh be her first power? If someone is listed as 'normal' on the role list, I assume that to mean vanilla. How have you been interpreting it? That everyone starts as vanilla until they evolve?

Eh... yes?

You are either Mew or Mewtwo.

I'm just paying attention.

Is anyone suspicious of Dragon D. Luffy or DrWilgy? According to my spreadsheet, neither one has received a vote all game. There's been mentions of them but never any votes. Neverwhere hasn't received any votes either but her circumstances are different. DDL and Wilgy have plenty of content to comb through and haven't had as many things holding them back from the thread. Perhaps these folks haven't been high enough on our suspiciometers or perhaps we collectively latch onto other options that push them aside.

Thoughts?

Linki: well then. Hi there Wilgy. Any other thoughts on Dyslexicon, DDL, or Fred? What other specifics stand out to you?

I'm torn. Having a consensus lynchee or two is nice. Keeping our options spread wide open until the deadline has its merits too. Today just feels like it's too wide open. Four votes so far for four different people. Three of those four are likely to be around at the deadline to vote anywhere they need to out of self-preservation. Dyslexicon has been MIA for a while, so I have my doubts that he (she?) will be back. If so, then that's a fourth self-preservation vote in the mix. This EOD could descend into utter chaos if we don't get some clarity.

Does anyone have other player observations to share? The holiday makes it tough for us all to participate, so anything, no matter how small, may help.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:37 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:16 am Could that mean info-gathering/cop-esque?

Why are you assuming Elo's first role had abilities to begin with?

If Mew and Mewtwo are listed with abilities but cannot evolve, why wouldn't the first role description listed for Eloh be her first power? If someone is listed as 'normal' on the role list, I assume that to mean vanilla. How have you been interpreting it? That everyone starts as vanilla until they evolve?

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:52 pm Who the eff is dizzy?

It's a nickname some have been using for Dyslexicon. I'm going to look into a few other people before the deadline.

ISO'ing Neverwhere didn't get me very far. She's been away for a while and has some RL hang-ups. I could see that going either way, frankly, so she's still a null read.

I wonder if the baddies are trying to steer us on this lynch.

G-Man's Suss List, Which Was Called Dumb By Sprityo:

Fredwood
Neverwhere
Nutella
Sprityo
Tink

Sprityo's Preferred Lynch List:

Boo
Quin/Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Eloh
G-Man

People Sprityo Omitted From His List:

DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
MacDougall

Of my list called dumb by Sprityo, only three are left. Do we take Eloh's defense of Tink to mean she had information on her? Eloh's role started out as 'psychic.' Could that mean info-gathering/cop-esque? If we assume yes, that leaves just Fredwood and Neverwhere to consider from that group. I will have to ISO Neverwhere again to see what might be there. Fredwood left me feeling somewhat better about him after we went back and forth the other day. I could still see him as the indy though, as his assertiveness came across as equal parts 'desire to help' and 'desire to survive.'

We know that there is at least one active baddie left.

Dyslexicon hasn't logged into the site since a week ago.

Mac recently showed up, which would throw off the hunt for an inactive.

Quin/Dom not only sounds like a kinky sex fetish but also throws us off the inactive hunt.

Has anyone else rationalized civ status for other players? If so, let's hear it because we can whittle those lists down to fewer options for today and also start thinking past today.

It's too late at night for me to dig into this. I'll be back in the morning. Hopefully I can hop on the in-laws' wifi tomorrow at the picnic. I'd like to be around for as much discussion as possible.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:13 pm Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

I would recommend you start posting in Non-Player Blue, because you got replaced, bub.