The Syndicate

Golden wrote:Here are some sweet G-Banners

Not sure if I feel proud or embarrassed.

Who won MVP?

S~V~S wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I was pretty confident in SVS being civ until the following post. But I didn't read it until we got home from Austin, and neither did Austin. That said, I was pretty sure Epi was bad too, from the time just before I died on. I wouldn't have called Dom, but that is because frankly Dom, you are so far off your norm I couldn't figure you out and it wasn't like a meta change, I just chalked it up to real life stuff or something.

S~V~S wrote:I got stuck late at work.

Speedchuck, you are doing a super job of being sincere. I am having a hard time thinking you could be bad.

So at this time I am gonna vote for Sorsha, becasue I honestly don't think Epi or Dom are bad. If one of them is, it is more likely to be Dom, though. But I feel better about him than about Sorsha, I guess.

So I am gonna vote now, after I walk the dog I will eat in front of the computer.

I stayed away as much as possible after MP started giving out an assignment

I knew if I posted but didn't do it that would set him off.

Fear the dog pee.

Quin wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a bad G-Man, actually.

Fun times were had with baddie G-Man in Battlestar Galactica. I think that was the only time I've been bad in my two years here (aside from subbing in as an outed baddie role in Dom's Bullets Over Broadway game, which was an out-right hoot). S~V~S was my teammate in BSG and I agree with what Golden said about watching her play as a baddie.

My auto-suspicion of her has been renewed in full with this game.

Golden wrote:Truth needs no explanation, G-Man.

Foo on that. My roleplay and corny shenanigans shouldn't make up for the fact that I'm a piss-poor civvie.

For what reason did I deserve these accolades?

Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

I know, right?

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

this..

Golden wrote:

G-Man wrote:Fun fact: every single one of my game thread posts began with the letter F.

Fun fact - your legacy post called out as bad every living civilian that wasn't confirmed

Fits my meta as a lousy civvie perfectly.

Fun fact: every single one of my game thread posts began with the letter F.

Frankly, the civvies played like crap this game, so we deserved to lose. When I have the highest post count after four days, the civvies are in bad shape.

Figured out the code, I think. A G A C C D D F G G G F A A G F C D C Now if I can just get in that room, lock the Others out, and figure out which buttons match the tune.

Here's my chance. I'm going for it!



Gotta keep those lovin' good vibrations happening with her...

Faint transmissions keep coming through from you all everybody at the surface. Not sure how long I'll be able to slip away and send these messages out. It might be in your best interest to go back and look at reasons people had for voting for and away from DFaraday. Look for lame or poorly-constructed reasons for those votes. DFaraday was a third option on Day 1, so see how people reacted to him getting votes and when others pulled away.

I've never been good at this hero thing but my gut seems to think Sorsha and speedchuck might be the final baddies but I wouldn't rule out Epignosis without extreme scrutiny.

I can see the jamming equipment but I have to figure out the code to switch it off...

Found the underwater hatch. I'll try to do what I can to help you all everybody but there's two birds down here with guns. Being outnumbered and outgunned makes being heroic a tad difficult.

DAY 1
1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1

7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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DAY 2
1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 3
1. NUTELLA (Dom)
2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
3. QUIN (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. S~V~S (Epignosis)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2

1. NUTELLA (Dom)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

3. QUIN (speedchuck)

8. S~V~S (Epignosis)


NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 4
1. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
3. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
5. SPEEDCHUCK (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
6. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
7. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
8. DFARADAY (Dom)

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1. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
3. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
8. DFARADAY (Dom)

5. SPEEDCHUCK (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
6. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
7. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4



Gotta go. The gals are coming back to check on me. I'll try to send some more information up to the surface the next time they're distracted.

Fine greatest hits list, don't you think?

#5- The first time I saw myself on YouTube.

#4- Using a baddie pen-pal role to drive Long Con to the brink (if not past the edge) of sanity.

#3- My initial coward threat and the first time I called Golden a coward.

#2- The first time Sloonei called me his hero.

#1- The first time I met some of you after joining The Syndicate.

Taking a chance and voting for speedchuck. I'm sorry I didn't do more with my role. I'm sorry I couldn't do better. I'm sorry if I cost us the game.

*takes a deep breath and goes for a dive*


Got to keep those lovin' good vibrations happening with her...

Filed my taxes. Took way longer than I thought it would.

I still hesitate on S~V~S being bad because teammates would have told her to stop coming after me (if they were paying attention). Unless she was pulling a gambit to derail the thread on a G-Man witch hunt, I have a hard time reconciling it all. That leaves Sorsha, DFaraday, and speedchuck for me. Sorsha is an unknown in that she's barely been here. I've seen that out of her as a baddie before but lynching her comes down to guesswork. Speedchuck is more just a hunch and still a risky move. DFaraday is the logical choice but it almost feels too easy.

Quin wrote:G-Man, you're dying tonight. Try your best to get everything you can possibly think of into the thread, and we'll get you that win.

If we mislynch, I think the game is over automatically because I'm a goner. I don't have time to put anything in the thread now. We just have to hope we get a baddie with this lynch or the lynch fails, buying you all another day and me some time to ISO and theorize like hell.

#1- The first time I met some of you after joining The Syndicate.

I'm picking up good vibrations...

Sorsha wrote:Sorry for not being around. Packing and moving this weekend... voting DF though as I said yesterday

Feel free to offer your thoughts on voting for Sorsha too.

G-Man wrote:Five Reasons Sorsha Might Be Mafia:
1) She hid behind roleplay for just about all of Day 1. She did that when she was a baddie in Season 2.

2) She flaked out on the game for almost all of Day 2, save for one post. Baddies don't like to ask for replacements. It's tempting to try to coast to victory, which is easier to do in some of these Heist games, sadly.

3) She missed two votes in a row, which makes her impossible to evaluate, given how little she's posted.

4) On Day 3, she said she's try to catch up. On Night 3, she said she was still behind and needed to catch up. Was she really trying to catch up or just buying herself more time

5) I get Lazy Rotten Deborah vibes something fierce for her.



Five Reasons Sorsha Might Be Civvie:
1) Most of her absence can probably be explained by her focus on Survivor Mafia. (this is why I try not to play more than one game at a time)

2-5) Yeah, I got nothing.

#2- The first time Sloonei called me his hero.

Following me isn't the goal. Keeping our options open is. Tell me what you guys think about speedchuck.

G-Man wrote:Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Mafia:
1) He spent most of Day 1 posting but adding nothing of substance.

2) He mentions he'd almost rather force a tie than lynch either notsawyer or nutella on Day 2. Perhaps he knew and this was him playing 'uncertain civvie' as little too loosely?

3) The top half of his colorless rainbow was pretty spot-on.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) There's a lot of posts expressing his thoughts on the thoughts and theories of others but I feel like there's not enough expressing his own thoughts.


Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Civvie:
1) He's newer here and still trying to get used to all of our varying personalities.

2) I feel inclined to give a new guy the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes to a fault though.

3) He had a good, pointed question to S~V~S regarding her "second silly vote looks worse than the third" bit.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) n/a

#3- My initial coward threat and the first time I called Golden a coward.

On the wind that lifts her perfume through the air...

Fun indeed. That game was something I'll never forget (or live down).

This choice is exceedingly difficult. I wish more people were around to talk about this vote.

#4- Using a baddie pen-pal role to drive Long Con to the brink (if not past the edge) of sanity.

I hear the sound of a gentle word...

Faraday may be the most obvious choice but I'm trying to figure out if I want to vote for him or not. Low-hanging fruit and all that.

#5- The first time I saw myself on YouTube.

And the way the sunlight plays upon her hair...

For what little good it does, here's my current rainbow list:

G-Man, Quin

Dom, Epignosis

DFaraday, S~V~S, Sorsha, speedchuck


I- I love the colorful clothes she wears...

Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Mafia:
1) He spent most of Day 1 posting but adding nothing of substance.

2) He mentions he'd almost rather force a tie than lynch either notsawyer or nutella on Day 2. Perhaps he knew and this was him playing 'uncertain civvie' as little too loosely?

3) The top half of his colorless rainbow was pretty spot-on.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) There's a lot of posts expressing his thoughts on the thoughts and theories of others but I feel like there's not enough expressing his own thoughts.


Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Civvie:
1) He's newer here and still trying to get used to all of our varying personalities.

2) I feel inclined to give a new guy the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes to a fault though.

3) He had a good, pointed question to S~V~S regarding her "second silly vote looks worse than the third" bit.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) n/a

Five Reasons Sorsha Might Be Mafia:
1) She hid behind roleplay for just about all of Day 1. She did that when she was a baddie in Season 2.

2) She flaked out on the game for almost all of Day 2, save for one post. Baddies don't like to ask for replacements. It's tempting to try to coast to victory, which is easier to do in some of these Heist games, sadly.

3) She missed two votes in a row, which makes her impossible to evaluate, given how little she's posted.

4) On Day 3, she said she's try to catch up. On Night 3, she said she was still behind and needed to catch up. Was she really trying to catch up or just buying herself more time

5) I get Lazy Rotten Deborah vibes something fierce for her.



Five Reasons Sorsha Might Be Civvie:
1) Most of her absence can probably be explained by her focus on Survivor Mafia. (this is why I try not to play more than one game at a time)

2-5) Yeah, I got nothing.

Five Reasons S~V~S Might Be Mafia:
1) She contributed little but roleplay for most of Day 1 and defaulted to her meta of not approving of casting too many votes on one person for silly reasons.

2) She started the Llama train on Day 1, which sucked in a few other players familiar with her meta for not liking silly votes and they followed her lead.

3) Day 2 she came after me pretty hard, as if she was trying to build a case against me before she noticed I wasn't on the poll despite the OP, the game rules, and my absence from the Day 1 poll as well.

4) She glommed on hard to the "notsawyer overreacted to DFaraday and must be bad" theory. Her Day 2 vote is conspicuously late on the notsawyer train, coming before the nutella onslaught.

5) Her Day 3 vote is questionable considering it represents a sharp turn-around from her vote against notsawer's suspicion of DFaraday Day 2. Perhaps she was trying to line up at least one vote on a teammate to keep up appearances.



Five Reasons S~V~S Might Be Civvie:
1) Her coming after me on Day 2 as if she wanted to build a case against me doesn't make sense if she had BTSC with others. I think everyone else understood I was unlynchable so one of her teammates should have stepped in and told her to end that quest (unless her teammates were awol at the time).

2) She defended nutella pretty hard, which would have been a tad conspicuous when going back over her ISO after nutella's death.

3) I would expect S~V~S to come at me and my weirdness. It's part of our rapport with each other.

4) I always suspect her of being bad and the odds aren't typically with me on that.

5) n/a

Five Reasons Epignosis Might Be Mafia:
1) He hasn't been as engaged in this game as he was in other recent games.

2) He hasn't voted for anyone who got lynched yet.

3) He jumped the gun on trying to warn us away from voting for DFaraday with his whole "traditional" godfather line.

4) He tried to spook us into thinking lynching an impervious DFaraday today would end the game.

5) He was lazy early and is becoming belligerent when challenged.


Five Reasons Epignosis Might Be Civvie:
1) He had his ass handed to him in the last Heist game he played and seems to not think these sorts of games are worth as much effort as larger games.

2) He didn't jump all over DFaraday for playing differently.

3) He came up with his own wrong reasons for going after nutella, rather than just glomming onto mine.

4) His Day 2 and Day 3 votes were well-reasoned.

5) I always want to assume Epi is a baddie and I am wrong more often than not.

Five Reasons Dom Might Be Mafia:
1) He contributed nothing of value to Day 1, missed the vote, and then came back mid-Day 2 trying to contribute. Baddies hate to ask for replacements.

2) He was the third man in on the "something seems fishy about nutella" train and went along with Epi's linguistics line of attack.

3) His 'where is Sorsha?' sidebar may have been an attempt to setup a second civ train to go along with nutella's train.

4) His vote for nutella was lazy, as he was not caught up on the thread. Or was he?

5) He hasn't been useful or helpful since the Day 3 lynch. He could be sitting back and waiting for a civ train to develop so he can help end the game.


Five Reasons Dom Might Be Civvie:
1) He flaked out just about everywhere on the site when he flaked out on this game. That could point to RL overruling mafia.

2) He did at least come back Day 2 and try to contribute and strikes me as the kind of player who will try to continue on in a game as either civ or baddie.

3) The nutella argument that he latched onto didn't seem too artificial at the time.

4) He's asked numerous players for clarification on points. That tends to be a civvie trait in my book.

5) n/a

Five Reasons DFaraday Might Be Mafia:
1) Case and vote against notsawyer was based primarily on what he viewed as an overreaction and not responding fast enough to his questions. Neither of which are very substantive reasons for lynching someone.

2) This lovely little WIFOM sandwich.

3) Asking for an outline on the case against him during Day 3. He wants bullet points to refute, which makes it easy for a baddie to do. This potentially reveals a detachment from the game, as if he know he doesn't have to focus too much, just enough to avoid or shoot down suspicion.

4) This possibly garbage explanation for surviving the lynch.

5) His survival as a civvie is hard to reconcile with my role and Quin's role (assuming he is civvie) being present in the game. That's a lot of survival powers going up against a trio of vanilla baddies. Not very balanced. The only way to explain it is Golden the Coward felt bad about the civvies getting destroyed in Season 2 so he overpowered them this time to slant the game in our favor. If so, we really screwed that plan up good, didn't we?


Five Reasons DFaraday Might Be Civvie:

1) Quin might actually be a deep-cover baddie, leaving DFaraday as a legit civvie with a survival role.

2 - 5) Yeah... I'm having trouble coming up with any others.



linki: Epi- you didn't discuss any other possibilities, nor did you frame as "Golden has used a godfather role before where all the other teammates must die first." You went right into this:

Epignosis wrote:I went and looked back. Both previous installments have a "Mafia Godfather." I couldn't tell what the first one meant, but the second one couldn't be tracked or checked- it wasn't a traditional "Godfather."

So no, that doesn't look good for DF, but he may in fact be a traditional manner of "Godfather." If that's true, then it means you're wasting lynches on him while his cronies keep on keeping on.

You proclaim your idea to be the definition of a "traditional" godfather even though it seems that's not the case for the rest of us. Your post lacks the context of Golden's use of such a role in BSG.

Also, this post...

Epignosis wrote:If DF is a traditional Mafia godfather, and he gets the most votes, the game is over, and the civilians don't win.

...is flat-out wrong. If DFaraday gets the most votes today, AND has the impervious godfather role you ascribed to him, the game does not end today. It is currently 5-v-3. If DFaraday survives the lynch, I die tonight and then you have one final chance to get it right in a 4-v-3 on Day 5.

For reference purposes:

ALIVE:
DFaraday- Posts
Dom- Posts
Epignosis- Posts
G-Man- Posts
Quin- Posts
S~V~S- Posts
Sorsha- Posts
Speedchuck- Posts

DEAD:
thellama73- Posts
insertnamehere- Posts
notsawyer540- Posts
nutella- Posts
Spacedaisy- Posts

I'm going to make lists of reasons why each of you might be civvie or baddie.

For what reason, Epi, do you automatically default to DFaraday cannot be lynched until all his goons are? Why do you go there first instead of a one-time survival?

Epignosis wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm a civilian who has been lazy. That's what I've been.

From what happened to you in Blue vs. Red, I can't blame you if this is true and that's a big part of why I have you low on my list.

What happened to me?

Fell victim to some bad luck and led some well-intended lynches against all the wrong people. It was quite possibly the worst game of yours that I've seen, results-wise. You and Long Con tried and failed at just about every turn. I can see why you might pull back a little after a game like that.

On another note, it's Day 4 and I have no read whatsoever on Dom and that makes me nervous.

Epignosis wrote:I'm a civilian who has been lazy. That's what I've been.

From what happened to you in Blue vs. Red, I can't blame you if this is true and that's a big part of why I have you low on my list.

Quin wrote:I don't believe that a completely vanilla baddie team is balanced against three roles which can survive attempts on their life AND can kill. One of us is bad. G-Man is confirmed (and untouchable, anyway) which leaves me and DF.

So, go nuts.

For my money, I'll give you that your role (survive a brush with death and have a one-time kill shot) makes little to no sense for a baddie. But, given that the baddies have to contend with not being able to kill a confirmed civvie until Night 4, it's plausible but a stretch. Your "give a sh*t" argument doesn't matter much to me because every single one of us has had lousy participation at at least one point this game, myself included. The only nagging doubt in my mind is that I fed you the whole paralyzing spider bit. Would Golden the Coward have written about a paralyzing spider to mask a baddie one-shot kill as a civvie action? I have to say I doubt it because that would be cruel and misleading to the civvies. I questioned ties and I questioned your presence on the poll, so asking questions is important. I have to move forward assuming you are a civvie because it would be cruel for a host to write nutella's death in a misleading way. Vague I can tolerate. Misleading, not so much. If you are baddie, I will be partially vindicated by my early theory that a joint Nkki & Paulo role could cover for a baddie who can survive a brush with death.

Epignosis wrote:Why hasn't anyone commented on my case against S~V~S? That's where I'm voting today unless someone persuades me otherwise.

I have my concerns with S~V~S based on earlier points that I raised. My concern with following you in that direction is that you could be a baddie trying to lead us to one final mislynch. Your theory about DFaraday made me wonder. Most godfathers I recall running into in games either appear civvie when role-checked or they can survive one lynch attempt. Unless I'm oblivious to it, the first game I played where a baddie godfather couldn't die until all his lackeys are gone was Battlestar Galactica. Then again, that was a Golden game, so perhaps we should be wary of him recycling such a deliciously evil mechanic. So maybe you are a baddie bringing up the BSG-esque godfather for no reason just to scare us because DFaraday is vulnerable today and you're trying to end the game, or you are a baddie who is raising this point because it is true and you're still trying to steer us in the wrong direction to end it. The third option is you are a baddie that is telling the truth and pointing us at your other teammate to establish cred to fleece the rest of the civs on Day 5. You could be a civvie though and I have trouble making heads or tails of you.

Tea time, blokes.

Quin wrote:Tell me why killing Spacedaisy is helpful.

Felt worse about her than Epi and speedchuck. I'm still mulling you all everybody over in my head. This is LYLO after all.

Frankly, I think the mafia killing Spacedaisy is helpful. What do you all everybody think?

DAY 1
1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)
2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1

7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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DAY 2
1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)
3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 3
1. NUTELLA (Dom)
2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
3. QUIN (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. S~V~S (Epignosis)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2

1. NUTELLA (Dom)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

3. QUIN (speedchuck)

8. S~V~S (Epignosis)


NO VOTE:
Sorsha

speedchuck wrote:I'm still not sure I get the colors. Is it the number of votes on them?

Fact. Descending color order based on the number of votes (though I don't use the same color for people with the same number of votes to avoid confusion). Red is only used for the player who is lynched, hence why no one is in red for Day 3.

Fun fact: Barring a failed kill tonight or a non-lynch tomorrow, Day 4 is LYLO. You all everybody better be sure about your votes tomorrow.

And now without further ado...

DAY 1
1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)
2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)
7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)

1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1

7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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DAY 2
1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)
3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)

6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 3
1. NUTELLA (Dom)
2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
3. QUIN (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. S~V~S (Epignosis)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2

1. NUTELLA (Dom)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

3. QUIN (speedchuck)

8. S~V~S (Epignosis)


NO VOTE:
Sorsha

For what reason? Couldn't the baddies all be vanilla? They were in my games. Honestly, I thought Widmore would have counted as a non-vanilla role but I can't recall what the final determination on wincons was when it was hashed out. INH didn't have an active power but he also wasn't a regular civvie. Curiouser and curiouser. I hesitate to trust anyone rushing to judgement at this point.

Frick. Ah well, it could have been worse.

Fast-reading. Very busy night.

S~V~S wrote:

G-Man wrote:Functionality speaking, how does the element of surprise rather than baddie hunting help the civvies?

How does forcing artificial ties even after people try to save themselves by moving votes help the civvies?

Found out early on what happens if there is a tie. Also, the random factor could have resulted in a baddie getting lynched but we weren't that lucky.

Functionality speaking, how does the element of surprise rather than baddie hunting help the civvies?

Form a sentence explaining why you sat back for a whole day, contributing nothing, if you are a civvie.

Flick 'em at me, tough guy. I dare you.

Quin wrote:Hey speedchuck, why am I not Mr. Confirmed Townie right now? Lost doesn't have zombies.

Funny you should bring that up. You know who appeared to die in Season 3 but came back later? This guy:

Fill us in, Golden the Coward ! Why is Quin still on the poll?

Furthermore, did Dom ever claim or hint at his role? I still have him as my only ???

I suspect my vote will be bouncing around wildly tonight.

From what I can remember from the notes that went *bloop*, none of you look good. Here's a quick breakdown of what's still rolling around in my head:

DFaraday's D1 vote for speedchuck was almost a soft defense of Sorsha. He got a little punchy with notsawyer. He handed a WIFOM sandwich to Spacedaisy night 2. A little soft on brushing Sorsha's D1 vote as purely self-defense even though she never came back to move her vote like she said she might once votes shifted away from her. Also some soft defending of nutella.

Dom was utterly useless until most of the way through Day 2. He was a late adopter of the Nutella Seems Fishy movement. He kept pressure on nutella through Night 2 and asked one pointed question to speedchuck. Come Day 3, he's all about "Where's Sorsha?" with a little jab at nutella as well.

Epignosis is being snarky with the occasional forceful streak. Par for the course for him but it leaves me neutral.

nutella got more and more defensive as the focus grew on her. She threw out a few "I told you already"'s and "go back and read what I said"'s. More recently, when pressed she did something similar but also provided a link. I don't buy her explanations.

S~V~S may have been trying to set me up before she realized that I am off the chopping block. I expect her to push me, given my silliness early on but it's rare for her to overlook something like that. I'm reconciling my historical distrust of her with the notion that teammates would let her go down that road of pursuing me like that. Then again, quiet game is quiet, so maybe baddie chat is quiet too.

Sorsha started out with nothing buy roleplay and offered little through two days of play. Now I'm picking up Lazy Rotten Deborah vibes with one or two of her most recent posts. I've caught/suspected her doing this before as a baddie.

Spacedaisy might be using her business as a shield. I'm not questioning RL. I'm just saying it's convenient for baddies to be busy in a small game where they can sit back and let the civvies kill each other. She did that in Season 2, after all.

speedchuck is new to me. He's had some positives and some ponderings. Now and again he seems to be either distracted or taking things too easy. In a game with participation as crappy as this, it's hard to tell the difference.

FATE- I just lost my notes on six of my eight ISO's because my computer BSoD'd me in favor of a physical memory dump. This is why we should hit Ctrl + S more often.

Flying through these ISO's now. Just two to go.

I hope you all everybody realize that, barring a failed or abstained kill, we need to lynch our first baddie today or tomorrow or it's all over.

Four ISO's down and I'm seeing a pattern- lots of phoning it in this game.

Finished with two ISO's. Not going to post my thoughts until I have read you all, everybody!

For crying out loud.

G-Man wrote:S~V~S, technicolor vote analysis is all about looking at who voted, when, and how that might indicate teammate behavior. Technicolors are completely useless for SK hunting. The "red groups" you refer to are only in read red because those people voted for the person who got the most votes and/or got lynched on a given day. Each day has a new red group unless there is no lynch. My first takeaway is that, on Day 1, the baddies weren't interested in participating much in the EoD crazy that went down. I'll have to go back and check the timing of those votes but it makes sense for baddies to vote early- to mid- pack and let the civvies shoot themselves in the foot.

From the lynch result, we know that there was no effort to save Llama, as he was a civvie. Looking at the technicolors, the only person who might have benefited from gaining cred by helping Llama avoid the noose or by appearing to help Llama avoid the lynch is Epi. There's no save cred for DFaraday's vote for speechuck since his vote ended up being the first one in the tally after all the switching. DFaraday also gains nothing for his Day 2 vote on notsawyer since it was an early vote and for a civ. Epi gains a fraction of cred for starting the secondary train on nutella and that could grow stronger if nutella is lynched and flips mafia. Votes alone don't tell the whole story. We'll have to go back and look at posts to determine why they voted for the person they voted for and if there are any reasons they did not vote for any of the other people who got votes.