The Syndicate

Unlovesome as I thought the letter U would be, it actually turned out to be a fun challenge. It certainly provided for more variety than I anticipated.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:31 pm @G-Man what does "shit/fuck split" mean btw I laughed about it in spec

Uh oh. You missed the explanation earlier.

Basically when two baddies realize the game is lost, one goes “oh shit” and tries really hard to save their chances while the other goes “aw fuck” and just gives up.

That’s what I thought was the dynamic between Tony and Lime, but I was only half right.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:27 pm Did you play Upick1 G?

I was a bastard mason in a trio of masons, which was technically a 3p so you're not totally wrong

Upick? No. I did not play that one.

Undergirding my initial freak out on Falcon for claiming backup mason is the fact that I recall from my earliest mafia communities (perhaps incorrectly) that ‘masons’ were 3p roles that act like what is now called a ‘cult leader’ with their own independent wincon.

Perhaps it’s because I never heard BTSC-partner townies referred to outright as masons, or perhaps it’s because my brain thinks it remembers something different about the term from another point in time.

Undeniable fact- at the tail end of the lock-down, part of me was considering the possibility that DDL was the mafia half of a corrupt masonry kind of like what I did in Red vs Blue.

Uberplanning for every possible scenario of rule-breaking and modkill is infeasible. If we have to set an expectation for hosts to plan around every negative possibility, it’s time to close shop. I’d rather hold players to be better (like we do) than to ask the impossible of a host.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:28 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:25 pm I don't get it, doesn't LC's death put us at 3v2?

Day ending modkill, nk can't be blocked

Why is the modkill day ending?

Literally never seen a modkill work like that before.

Different people do it differently

Personally I tend to make it case by case. In this case a non-game ending modkill would've rewarded town, and town shouldn't get rewarded for being modkilled at f6

Hmm ok you have a point.

Kind of wish there was more notice for this, though.

Ultimately the rules were followed. A town player broke the rules and they were punished. I don’t know how the night power interactions would have played out, but I’d have voted Lime almost for sure on D6. If this defeat stings, it’s probably just because we were stripped of the chance to lose it ourselves the normal way.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:07 pm Yep, sorry about the modkill. Usually I prefer to replace, but in this situation I don't see how a replacement doesn't confirm LC's frustration (and alignment) as town.

Unfortunately, I didn’t see Lime’s attitude as frustrated townie. Tony was playing like the “Oh Shit” teammate who was trying to keep hope alive against all odds, while Lime seemed to have the “Aww Fuck” mindset of a baddie who realizes the game is toast and loses interest. Sure enough, it was Nanook, deepest in the POE playing it cool like the Fonz.

Unpleasant finish to an otherwise interesting game. I only had 5% doubt that it was TonyStarkLime. Well played Nanook.

Ugly Day 4 was ugly…

Tony: Doesn’t embrace Wilgy’s death clearing me. Is this to keep the POE as wide as possible? In the same post he also formulates a possible connection to me (to be used against me if he flips?). Jumps onto Nanook after I vote there as placeholder. He continues to offer POE pairings that include me. He is determined to keep me in the mix. Tries to sell the G-Man/Nanook pairing as more likely because of Wilgy’s flip. Refuses to consider me clear due to Wilgy’s flip even to the end of the phase. Says he needs to ISO but still seeing sprityo and Nanook as the next two flips. Still wants more info to reach a verdict on me.

Falcon: Points out splints’s takes on players, but she only opined on 3. Sprityo is dead town now. She leaned mafia on Tony and town on Lime Coke. Classic splitting the difference on her teammates? Or did she not comment on teammate Nanook to keep him out of the spotlight?

Nanook: Possibly hinting at his role by saying that killing him is the only realistic way town loses. Pretty straightforward approach to the day. Not trying to sell or defend any working theories. His stance on chopping his D4 POE of three in any particular order is unhelpful in the moment but enlightening in hindsight. Oh shoot- I’m mind-melding a bit with Nanook’s late D4 content. Send help.

Lime Coke: Expresses RL bogging him down and not being in the right mental state to engage in the game. Pops in late and puts Tony at the top of his POE of three.

Based on skimming today’s content, I’m feeling pretty comfortable with the idea that D4 was a Shit/Fuck split and the game is solved.

Using the time afforded to us by the host, even though the picture seems to be clearing up (which of course freaks me out and makes me nervous of being overconfident and wrong).

DAY 3:

Lime Coke- Heh. Right out of the gate he jumps to ‘probably’ clear Tony based on splints sus of him. Also his POE is complete temperature-of-the-room mischop bait. Sheeps the masons and votes Dolby.

Tony: Returns to his steadier gameplay now that he’s not under the gun.

Nanook: Barely active. Normally not a good look. Still pretty compelling for the other two though.

Upon re-reading the first two game days in full, I've made some observations:

DAY 1:
-Lime Coke started the game pretty punchy and was quick to challenge folks as to whether they could read him one way or the other. There were also a few posts that, in retrospect, look like they could be a little too knowing.

-Nanook is about as prickly as I remember him being.

-Tony is such an at-the-radar player that I get a null read.

-I see the point at which DDL eases up on his pursuit of Falcon after the latter claimed backup mason. This is just another piece that helps me feel at peace with their masonry claim.



DAY 2:
-Nanook suggesting NAA didn't have a mason partner made me

-Tony was quick to embrace Falcon as mason-legit after NAA's flip. Makes sense, but it's also a little loud for him considering his D1. He also became more talkative once he racked up some votes. This is curious.

-Lime Coke seemed more cautious/intentional D2. Kept a decent-sized mischop player salad available for his POE.


Going to pick up from there tomorrow. As of right now, I lean toward the two remaining baddies being Lime Coke and Tony.

Unflappability is not one of my qualities. I need to ISO the POE again. I’m not buying into any claims today.

Useful result for the baddies. I wouldn’t be surprised if they abstained from the kill to fake us out. The POE remains three, though this result could be manufactured to make those in the POE turn on those outside of it.

A mischop still loses us the game at this point.

My POE remains Lime Coke, Nanook, and Tony. The townie among those three knows the path to victory. Please help sell it to us.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:49 am Gman for those of us who know urist this is clearly a troll setup. You are correct that normally mafia don't have a roleblocker with nothing to block, but town dont normally have a mason with no partner but two backup masons. So.

Ugh. If I’d have known that then I wouldn’t have signed up for this game. As someone who got raked over the coals for false advertising, I probably have no room to complain, but nothing indicated to me until now that this game was a farce. I was expecting something straightforward. I got tricked.

Utilitarianism time. Since no one has countered the DDL-Falcon masonry claim by stating they were masons with NAA, I have to go all-in on a DDL-Falcon masonry to generate the clearest path to victory.

Let me throw another nugget into the mix. If I’ve come across like a bumbling idiot this game, it’s because I am. This game’s OP asserts that there are at least five vanilla townies. We’ve already lost four:

-Gavial
-sig
-Dolby
-DrWilgy

I am vanilla town as well.

Here’s the fun part- Fingersplints was a one-shot baddie roleblocker. This implies that there is a role in the game that she can block. Masons don’t seem to apply. This means that at least one town power role still exists inside the POE of Lime Coke, Nanook, sprityo, and Tony.

There has to be at least one town power role left or else the host indirectly lied to splints through her role card by making her believe her role could impact the game. I mean sure, this game may have featured a partnerless mason, but a blocker with no one to block? Hardly “Normal” if you ask me.

So we assume there to be a power role in the mix. Do not claim! Right now, the mafia have to kill outside the POE to keep their chance at winning viable. Worst case scenario- we mischop that town power role and have LYLO tomorrow. Best case scenario- we chop baddie #2 and the last baddie is forced to kill outside of the remaining POE or else make the game an auto-win for town.

This is the way.

Ultimately, I was trying to use this NAA post to my advantage to either confirm or contradict the DDL-Falcon masonry claim.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:57 am @Dolby
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@sig
@sprityo
@TonyStarkPrime

This probably contains most / all of the mafia.

Falcon claimed to be backup mason D1. Also in D1, NAA listed Falcon in his POE.

What I was hoping for was that DDL would claim to have had mason BTSC with NAA on D1 and then Falcon got brought into that BTSC chat as the backup. That would have given me 100% trust in the DDL-Falcon masonry because NAA had Falcon but not DDL in his POE. After all my pressing, I didn't get the confirmation that I was looking for.

So now it's back to the drawing board.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

Yeah, but I claimed backup mason before NAA flipped.


How do I do that as Maf?



Also, I never fake claim. Ever

Understandable move for a baddie to make an early claim like that because it 1) allows for a teammate to glom on and use it as a screen later via mason misdirection, and 2) the backup mason status is hard for anyone to refute unless a primary mason (or in this case the mason-enabling role) actually knows the identities of the backups. It's a claim that sticks your neck out there with minimal likelihood that it can be fully contradicted.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:26 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

Under this premise, you are also suggesting that NAA did not have a BTSC partner in his mason chat prior to death?

He did not

Unmodified mason is not a possible role for NAA in light of both responses by DDL and Falcon.

According to the MafiaScum Wiki that this game is based on, a "Normal" mason is as follows:

A Mason group is a set of players who can communicate (via a shared Private Topic), and who know that every member of the group is Town. In Normal games, Masons are absolutely 100% Town; just as with the Mafia's private communication, it is up to the moderator whether the Private Topic is usable both Day and Night, or at Night only (although an Encryptor in the masonry will of course allow it to be used at any time regardless of the decision).

It is possible for multiple independent masonries to exist in the same game. A masonry must contain at least two players (as players know their own alignment and can already talk to themselves).

A solo mason with no partner, whose death creates a new masonry, isn't a mason at all. They are simply an enabler. If this is a "Normal" game, then I would expect it to follow the "Normal" structure for a "Normal" role. If NAA was this enabling role, then either his classification as a mason is incorrect and misleading or this game's classification as "Normal" is incorrect and misleading.

As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:36 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

He didn't. He could have had, the rules allow for it. But Urist only made one regular mason role.

Meaning town got super lucky since mafia's first NK was aimed at a role that needed to die to become useful.

Until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or Falcon was a fellow mason?

@falcon45ca- until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or DDL was a fellow mason?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

Under this premise, you are also suggesting that NAA did not have a BTSC partner in his mason chat prior to death?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:05 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:39 pm Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

Town @Lime Coke POE of 3:
-Nanook
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @sprityo POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-Tony


Town @TonyStarkPrime POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-sprityo


Given those respective POE's, I'd like each of the four of you to put your POE of 3 into a preferred chop order.

i don't accept the "if" statement and that's technically wolfy but I also just flat don't accept it

Unsure what you mean here. Are you saying that you don't yet accept a world where DDL and Falcon are not masons? Or do you not yet accept a world where they are masons?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:00 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:39 pm Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

Town @Lime Coke POE of 3:
-Nanook
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @sprityo POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-Tony


Town @TonyStarkPrime POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-sprityo


Given those respective POE's, I'd like each of the four of you to put your POE of 3 into a preferred chop order.

No

Underlying reasons for this decision?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

Town @Lime Coke POE of 3:
-Nanook
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @sprityo POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-Tony


Town @TonyStarkPrime POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-sprityo


Given those respective POE's, I'd like each of the four of you to put your POE of 3 into a preferred chop order.

Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Uncanny gambit by Wilgy. Lucky for me, I have tomorrow off, so I can do some ISO work. Voting Nanook for now. Don’t want to forget that it was the train that lost yesterday.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:27 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:09 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:04 am I also wish to keep it interesting since there is no harm in splitting the vote here 4:5. Only 5 is needed afterall

Unless the mafia has a double-voter that hasn’t presented itself yet because we’ve been all Soul Asylum with our votes up to now.

There’s always the chance that Wilgy is mafia and making safe-ish fake peeks on players to appear slightly helpful while misdirecting us. If so, well played sir.

Im sadly uniformed of what Soul Asylum is

Ubiquitous early to mid-90s tune- “Runaway Train.” The music video actually helped locate a few missing persons (though one such reunion resulted in a child going back to an abusive family).

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:04 am I also wish to keep it interesting since there is no harm in splitting the vote here 4:5. Only 5 is needed afterall

Unless the mafia has a double-voter that hasn’t presented itself yet because we’ve been all Soul Asylum with our votes up to now.

There’s always the chance that Wilgy is mafia and making safe-ish fake peeks on players to appear slightly helpful while misdirecting us. If so, well played sir.

Using the last few hours to keep it interesting.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:52 pm We should probably not worry about wilgy today

What are your thoughts? Wilgys info doesn't sway you one way or the other?

It sways me to thinking g man is a green check

Undulate my way all day.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:40 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:46 pm Soooooo leaves

Dolby
Nanook
Spirit

As my POE

Usher me into the looney bin if this is a bad idea, but what if we all agree to vote for two people in the poe and see what happens? Basically keep it majority-capable while also potentially dangling some bait out there to see if the baddies are desperate enough to nibble?

I feel like everyone voting for the same person gets us nowhere informationally. Same kind of goes with a majority train and a few other votes spread around willy-nilly.


For instance, given your poe of three, I’m content to vote either Nanook or sprityo. I’m not feeling a Dolby vote yet, but I want to poke around sig’s ISO and D2 to see if those D1 feels of mine still hold.

I don't hate this idea.

I'd yeet sprityo, dolby, and 3rd spot is a tie between you and nanook.

Use me as bait once we catch baddie #2, not now.

Useless, this idea is. There’s really no such thing as bait when just one baddie remains. Derp 2.0

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:46 pm Soooooo leaves

Dolby
Nanook
Spirit

As my POE

Usher me into the looney bin if this is a bad idea, but what if we all agree to vote for two people in the poe and see what happens? Basically keep it majority-capable while also potentially dangling some bait out there to see if the baddies are desperate enough to nibble?

I feel like everyone voting for the same person gets us nowhere informationally. Same kind of goes with a majority train and a few other votes spread around willy-nilly.


For instance, given your poe of three, I’m content to vote either Nanook or sprityo. I’m not feeling a Dolby vote yet, but I want to poke around sig’s ISO and D2 to see if those D1 feels of mine still hold.

I don't hate this idea.

I'd yeet sprityo, dolby, and 3rd spot is a tie between you and nanook.

Use me as bait once we catch baddie #2, not now.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:46 pm Soooooo leaves

Dolby
Nanook
Spirit

As my POE

Usher me into the looney bin if this is a bad idea, but what if we all agree to vote for two people in the poe and see what happens? Basically keep it majority-capable while also potentially dangling some bait out there to see if the baddies are desperate enough to nibble?

I feel like everyone voting for the same person gets us nowhere informationally. Same kind of goes with a majority train and a few other votes spread around willy-nilly.


For instance, given your poe of three, I’m content to vote either Nanook or sprityo. I’m not feeling a Dolby vote yet, but I want to poke around sig’s ISO and D2 to see if those D1 feels of mine still hold.

Unloading my vote after re-reading so I can go to bed and maybe check on the game once before the flip while I'm at work tomorrow.

The winning POE is DDL, Falcon, Nanook, and sprityo.

So natch, [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

Unable to move while my wife watches This Is Us on the lone over-the-air digital channel prone to flaking out. Perfect cover for catching up!

I see that I have a vote and that there is a chop-capable train on splints. I can't wait to learn why for both.

Unceasing apologies for missing so much of the current phase. Yesterday was a mess for me. I have a two-hour meeting after dinner tonight, but I will catch up, share thoughts, and place my vote once said meeting is over. Good luck to the rest of you and sorry once again for not carrying my own weight today.

Un voto por favor?

Undoing my derp vote and switching to Gavial. If we don’t get 7 votes on Gavial, then there will be no chop. Assuming the mafia kills tonight, there will be 12 of us left, requiring 7 votes again to create a 50% +1 majority for a D2 chop. The mafia won’t kill any of the folks people are eyeballing in order to increase the odds of a mischop. A no-chop D1 will leave us in the exact same spot we’re in now, but perhaps making it a little bit harder to ensure a majority for the D2 chop.

Seeing no viable alternative wagon to even make this a competitive EOD, I’m switching to Gavial so we at least inject some information after a bit of a ho-hum D1.

Let’s get two more vote on this wagon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:27 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:26 am Those of us in Western Hemisphere time zones have been catered to in the vast majority of games though, so I can live with an inconvenient schedule in a small game like this.

As much as I sympathize with the concept of Timezone Justice, I don't like the idea of losing this game because the town is all sleeping when it needs to be awake.

Usually games are lost because the town is figuratively sleeping. For the town to lose because we’re literally sleeping is at least an amusing change of pace.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:57 am Gavial fake claimed and we're gonna fail to yeet him because this game has majority rule and has its EoD set at a time nobody is online.

Awesome.

Unless the SOP/EOP times will change, I am all but guaranteed to miss at least the last 12 hours of each phase due to sleep and work Monday through Friday. This is an anomaly for a Sunday too, since my church moved this morning’s service to online only due to an overnight system bringing ice.

Those of us in Western Hemisphere time zones have been catered to in the vast majority of games though, so I can live with an inconvenient schedule in a small game like this.

Unforced error on my part, really. I remember seeing the link to “normal” game explanation wiki page in the sign-up thread. I just didn’t read through the list of “normal” roles carefully enough to notice masons are somehow considered “normal.”

“Normal”

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:46 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm Ah, I don't really see a reason to not reveal this...game away if ya don't like the play.


There are masons in this game.


I know this cuz I'm a backup Mason, I become one should one of them die


The primary masons need not reveal themselves tho, I figure the backups life is worth less

Unless I have sorely misread the tea leaves over the last year or so, all the kvetching I’ve seen from MU folks about “bastard” elements in games suggests to me that masons would not be a part of anything considered “normal” from an MU standpoint. You can die for this, thanks.

This game uses MafiaScum rules, not MU though.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Uh, well, derp all over my face then I guess. It’s shameful that I often confuse MU and MS with each other since I hail from neither.

I was operating on the assumption that masons were a third-party element. Since the game says it sports three mafia and ten town roles, a 3p mason element made no sense. But now I see that masons are on the MS ‘normal’ list for town only. Weird to me, but TS also rarely uses the mason element anymore.

Nothing to see here, folks! Just a washed-up has-been hack of a mafia player who excels and opening his mouth just wide enough to get his foot in there.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm Ah, I don't really see a reason to not reveal this...game away if ya don't like the play.


There are masons in this game.


I know this cuz I'm a backup Mason, I become one should one of them die


The primary masons need not reveal themselves tho, I figure the backups life is worth less

Unless I have sorely misread the tea leaves over the last year or so, all the kvetching I’ve seen from MU folks about “bastard” elements in games suggests to me that masons would not be a part of anything considered “normal” from an MU standpoint. You can die for this, thanks.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:38 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:09 am Upon reading the game thread, I am not impressed with the game state so far. There seems to be a fair amount of know-it-all-ism, leading to early assumptions and flimsy towncore construction. Either that or I'm still just a horrible D1 player and most of you are just fishing.

Dolby seemed constructive in his efforts. There's too much one-off posting going around, but he isn't afraid to multi-quote and build.

Falcon has almost maxed out his post count for the phase. I don't like that.

I will never be able to refer to Lime Coke as LC. Sorry.

It is good to see DDL back in the arena.

Can you elaborate? What's the towncore you speak of?



Don't worry about my post count, I know what I'm doing...

Unscrupulous members of this game might strategically burn up their post count early so as to manipulate EOD by way of making others think twice about voting for them since they are out of posts and unable to defend themselves.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:33 pm I think it's between sprityo, DDL and TSP for me.

Unpalatable "chop the Syndicate regulars/OG" player salad. You might as well throw my name on that list too. Why didn't you? Is it because you think I'm useful as a mischop later for my low-posting tendencies? Or do you feel I'm not worth mentioning/considering for that same reason?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:38 pm G-man's entry, while constructive, felt lacking in conclusion. Falcon maxing out posts felt bad, but what of those posts? What was drawn from them.

Gaviel's entry was far weaker than normal, but I'm unsure if that's AI. Gav went absolutely nuts in Akemi as scum. I've also seen him go absolutely nuts as town. Good shit buddy, I can't read you :')

G-Man, Sprit, DDL are all good options for D1 I feel. Everyone else gets town vibes except LC and Gav as I defined earlier.

My entry had a solid conclusion- I went to sleep.

I am a good D1 or D2 mischop option, but only if my demise can inject some information into the thread. I'm not sure I'm at that point yet for D1.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:14 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:09 am Upon reading the game thread, I am not impressed with the game state so far. There seems to be a fair amount of know-it-all-ism, leading to early assumptions and flimsy towncore construction. Either that or I'm still just a horrible D1 player and most of you are just fishing.

Dolby seemed constructive in his efforts. There's too much one-off posting going around, but he isn't afraid to multi-quote and build.

Falcon has almost maxed out his post count for the phase. I don't like that.

I will never be able to refer to Lime Coke as LC. Sorry.

It is good to see DDL back in the arena.

Like this post.

I like that you like me, because I generally like you too, but I haven't decided yet if we should make friendship bracelets and be each others' trust-fall partners this game.

Upon reading the game thread, I am not impressed with the game state so far. There seems to be a fair amount of know-it-all-ism, leading to early assumptions and flimsy towncore construction. Either that or I'm still just a horrible D1 player and most of you are just fishing.

Dolby seemed constructive in his efforts. There's too much one-off posting going around, but he isn't afraid to multi-quote and build.

Falcon has almost maxed out his post count for the phase. I don't like that.

I will never be able to refer to Lime Coke as LC. Sorry.

It is good to see DDL back in the arena.

Unfortunately, this game began at noon my time. Being the old fart that I am, I was at work. Tonight I was at a game night with friends. Now it is time for bed. Sorry to miss the first chunk of the day. I haven’t read anything yet and won’t until tomorrow morning. I will do what I can this weekend to make the most of my availability.