The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:We need more votes first.

Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, and Bernie Sanders can all relate. :P

So who won MVP & roleplay?

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I knew you were bad Epi. You know why? You didn't once suspect me. Come on man, you can call me as bad better than anyone else, so I knew you were off.

Almost everybody was bad, apparently.

I don't see how this was a balanced game at all. Or Mafia.

This all boiled down to luck: Who got night killed.

And it all came down to a coin flip.

Might as well have played craps.

I don't see how three civilians were supposed to have a chance against 9 mafia.

We would have needed the baddie teams to pick each other apart through both the lynches and the NK's. It wasn't impossible for we civvies to win, just improbable. I don't mind the chaotic setup though. It was fun even though I lost. There's no shame in losing against such unfriendly odds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:G-Man knew he'd survive a lynch, so he tried to get lynched Day 1 to prove it. Sloonei knew he'd survive a nightkill, so he went hardcore civ mode to draw the opening nightkill to go into Day 2 with little damage. Unfortunately, Sloonei drew two nightkills, and G-Man wound up being lynched a second time somehow.

I wouldn't go so far as to say I was willing to get lynched to prove I could survive a lynch. I was just willing to take the chance on a con flip exposing me so I could fulfill my personal wincon of voting for four different people during the same day and ending as the solo vote on one person.


Can we get a breakdown of all the killings? I'd like to know which team targeted which players.

And now I will break with the 12-word shtick. I achieved my personal wincon Day 1 since that was going to be the best day to pull it off. That's about the only thing I have to feel good about with this game.

For those who weren't in the dead thread, my shenanigans were subtle. In honor of the twelve zodiac signs, I self-imposed a posting limitation. Each one of my posts in this thread contains exactly twelve words.

Wow, three baddie teams of three and just three devastatingly charming civvies?

Epignosis wrote:Well now I'm trying to save myself.

And not just for marriage this time.

Well that'll teach me not to play this game on a smartphone. It takes too long to scroll to the top of the page. I hope I have Hillary Clinton's luck on this looming coin flip.

I feel better about Llama than Epi so my vote is for SD. There is something about the ladies this game that gives me pause

I'm back now after splitting my thumb open while assembling Lilah's swing. Sorsha is not helping her case any with her ebb and flow. I'll wait five or so minutes before placing my vote on someone.

DrWilgy wrote:G-Man, I saw myself on players that you wpuld be down to lynch. Do you actually find my suspect or am I just a non-trustworthy dude?

If It's neither of those... Is it because my logic doesn't make sense?

Right now I am interested in voting for Epi, Nero, or SD. I will reevaluate my feelings on you during the night via ISO.

Quin wrote:I'll skip Epi (and Nero) since they're already in the hot seat and have already given me what I'm looking for in their defences.

G-Man, why are you a bad lynch?

I suspected you might skip over Epi and proceed directly to me. I have been a nexus of conversation this game, which is different. I'm not usually the top poster in a game but I'm content. I tried a different approach this game and it's been very informative. The fact that you guys didn't run straight at me speaks volumes. You could have made me an easy lynch but something prevented that. That something is the persistent inkling that what I say makes sense. You sense at least a grain of truth in what I say. Listen to that small voice that is whispering to you, "trust him."

My evening itinerary is dinner, bottle, bath time, story, and tuck in. The first two are complete and I'll return after completing the others.

sig wrote:I'd prefer Daisy over Epi and Nero today. I really don't have a firm grasp on either of them, but I feel more sure that Daisy is bad. G-man made some good points on her and I really disliked her response to his ISO.

What does everyone think of Quin?

I'm very neutral on Quin and still trying to figure him out. Sloonei was a civvie and vouched for Quin's early behavior and posts. That leads me to cut Quin some slack because I like Sloonei.

Sorsha wrote:Good to know. Looking at your iso's it's kinda hard to tell who your top suspects are g-man. Some of your reads are kinda wishy-washy, who are you looking at for a lynch today?

Bullzeye, DrWilgy, Epignosis, Nerolunar, Sorsha, or Spacedaisy would suit me just fine.

Sorsha wrote:Linki- I didn't play biblical g-man so I don't get your reference

Deborah kept saying she was busy but would try to catch up. She did this for most of the game and drove me nuts. That and her vote history had me constantly thinking she was bad. I tried a few times to get a lynch train on her. After I died, the other civvies finally saw what I saw there. They lynched her and she flipped baddie, which provided me with catharsis.

Sorsha wrote:Sorry I haven't been around. I was sleeping. I'm here now, going to read some stuff.

This reminds me so much of Deborah from Biblical Mafia it hurts.

Epignosis wrote:I also have to wonder what's keeping me from getting laid.

I think it has something to do with your priorities in life. Maybe if you stopped playing games online, you might meet some people. Getting outside will also help rid you of your pasty white complexion. Unless you are into goth girls, who might find your complexion attractive. Then there is the whole action figure collection thing to deal with. There's only a niche group of girls who squee for toy collectors.

Spacedaisy wrote:

G-Man wrote:Finishing up ISO's on those players I did not get to yesterday:

Spacedaisy was similarly absent for most of D1 until the deadline approached. She blames prep work on her upcoming game to justify her absence. She did give us one substantial post that can be picked apart. She changed her vote to me because Wilgy's claim made her nervous. During N1 she commented on other posts, giving no concrete personal thoughts. She's another one that I am concerned about hiding behind a smokescreen.

This is questionable recapping. While I was largely absent Day 0 and 1, I did participate as much as I was able and gave my own solid reasons for my votes and my thoughts on various people. Then in N1 I became much more vocal with my "personal thoughts" basically discussing my concerns about the fact you and Llama were both appearing to claim the same role ability. I became more active because we got most of the leg work done on the game, now we are just waiting to fill it. There is no smokescreen.

Let's let other players review your posts and see what they think.

thellama73 wrote:Wow, busy day. Sorry I haven't been around guys.

I am sympathetic to the votes on Nero, because I have a theory.

My theory is this, and this is what my theory is. Ahem. The theory that I have (which is mine) is that hosts are more anxious about replacements when the absent player is mafia than when they are civ. Especially in a game like this, an absent baddie would be deadly to the mafia cause. They would need a replacement immediately. Much less urgent with the civs, because there are more of us. Nero replaced in fantastically quickly. Just sayin'.

Interesting, because I thought it took a long time to replace Bubble. Looking back, I see that it took our hosts roughly 12 hours. Day 1 was already halfway over, and Nero posted an hour later. Not necessarily a quick transition but I haven't hosted in a while.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

NIGHT 1 ENDS

Sloonei was walking home from work. He lived a normal life, and worked a normal job, because he was just a normal human being. He's not very adventurous and lives in his comfort zone. Sloonei is a Taurus afterall

But on this day, Sloonei encountered a strange creature.

"hOI!!!!!! i'm tEMMIE!!" it said.

Out of curiosity, I googled this Temmie creature from the night post. Does anyone here know anything about this strange video game called Undertale? If so, do you think that Temmie's presence is clue of sorts? Or are the hosts throwing out random stuff to keep us guessing?

sig wrote:linki: Who do you plan to vote for G-man?

Right now I can't see myself voting for you, Quin, or Llama. That still leaves me with plenty to sort out by the deadline.

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Under the condition that G-Man is bad
Bad: G-Man, Sig, Llama

Under the condition that G-Man is civ
Bad: Epi, Bullzeye, and Llama

DrWilgy wrote:Llama in regards to you being on both of my lists, you are the most easily swappable one on the situation where G-Man is bad. I could also see G-Man, Sig, Quin or Nero, following you as "most likely temmie."

So... Will you play my game?

Can you explain why don't you suspect SVS, Sloonei, Sorsha, or Spacedaisy?

DrWilgy wrote:In a world where you are bad - Sorsha and Daisy I'm hesitant on based on your interactions with them.

In a world where you are good - a Epi, Bullzeye, Llama team just makes sense. Epi saved Bullzeye, Llama was hesitant to vote change, but considered it. Llama also put Epi high on his greenlist when like you pointed out, Epi has very little non fluff content.

I'm currently giving SVS and Sloonei a green tone read, but I need to double check them.

I had almost forgotten that DrWilgy had SVS as a green read. Considering that she gave us nothing to go on, I wonder why. Llama and I were suspicious of her and, turns out, rightly so.

DrWilgy, please elaborate (with specifics) why you gave SVS a green read.

Finishing up ISO's on those players I did not get to yesterday:

Sorsha showed up with somewhere around eight hours left in Day 1. She calls out Bullzeye's random vote but puts little thought into hers. She based it on her ability to read DrWilgy, who voted me. She commented on SVS's absence Day 1 and I'm curious about that. She has contributed one post to Day 2 as of right now.


Spacedaisy was similarly absent for most of D1 until the deadline approached. She blames prep work on her upcoming game to justify her absence. She did give us one substantial post that can be picked apart. She changed her vote to me because Wilgy's claim made her nervous. During N1 she commented on other posts, giving no concrete personal thoughts. She's another one that I am concerned about hiding behind a smokescreen.


I've been at TS for a year yesterday but Llama still eludes me. I usually think he is bad but I have regularly been wrong. He seems to be playing his typical snarky, obscure game so far. I have no read on him but haven't felt threatened by him.

The three kill attempts have me worried that we have indie baddies. SVS's posts and missing vote leave no breadcrumbs for tracking down teammates.

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Okay I have read the thread and here are some thoughts:

C-man is almost the only one trying to engage discussion. I wonder why people don´t follow up on it and try to get some thoughts circulating.

Wonders why people don't try to get some thoughts circulating.

Has seven posts.

And three of those call G-Man's alignment into question, essentially restating the same idea without considering fresh evidence. That last one sounds bitter that G-Man didn't get lynched and could possibly come out looking good for it.

You know what else I noticed? Take this how you want, but Bubbles never popped in saying how good she was, which is like, her trademark. I realize she didn't post at all, but that's a minor thing to consider.

A major thing to consider is how I'm gonna get a girlfriend.

Nero is walking a very fine line right now in my book. More participation is necessary and I'm mulling over his posts you mentioned. He could just be warning everyone about giving me a free pass. He could also be trying to entice people to vote for me. The former could be either honest civvie thinking or subtle baddie strategy. The latter's more of a transparent baddie ploy for lazy leftovers voting.

thellama73 wrote:I am a bit surprised by the lack of attention SVS paid to this game. Usualy she is more invested as a baddie. I'm seeing a similar indifference from Epi and I think that's part of what's making me suspect.,

I believe her about being busy at work because I can relate. What pinged me most was how little she contributed on Day 0. She didn't engage in any relevant discussion, spending her time poo-pooing hippie-bashing. I can't remember how emotional a player she normally is in games. Maybe it was a false trigger but I'm glad I was right.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Epignosis for now. His game smells awfully fishy to me.

He is very busy with his Batman game but I have concerns. Hosting can be used as a cover for low or fluffy participation. I need to do a lot more thinking and re-do some ISO's.

thellama73 wrote:RIP Sloonei.

But look whose rainbow list is 100% accurate so far.

My GTH reads are similarly 100% accurate so far, which is encouraging.

Rest in peace Sloonei and burn in hell SVS (figuratively I mean). Does this mean we're dealing with some kind of 9-1-1-1 scenario here?

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:I can think of a very strategic reason for Llama to lie.

Would you like to share it with the class?

Well, I'm starting to come up with something myself, but it doesn't necessarily speak mafia to me.

I'd rather wait until after the night post to share my idea.

I can think of a very strategic reason for Llama to lie.

Bullzeye wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

G-Man wrote:I just thought it worth mentioning since people are giving Epi heat. His vote helped to save Bullzeye but it wasn't the last word. No one has yet asked me why I didn't try saving myself. You would all be wondering that one had I actually been lynched.

hey, why this?

If I had died, you guys would have wondered about my vote. I am highlighting the fact that it's treated as a non-issue today. Did nobody notice my vote or is it because I didn't die?

All other points of discussion are valid and I apologize for derailing.

It pretty much is a non-issue. You knew you weren't going to die - that explains why you didn't save yourself. You probably deliberately allowed yourself to be lynched in hopes of gaining civ cred upon surviving.

No, I did it because I was not sure you were bad. I'd rather advance game discussion than force a tie-breaker I'm unsure about. The more we discuss, the deeper the baddies lie and dig their graves.

Sloonei wrote:

G-Man wrote:I just thought it worth mentioning since people are giving Epi heat. His vote helped to save Bullzeye but it wasn't the last word. No one has yet asked me why I didn't try saving myself. You would all be wondering that one had I actually been lynched.

hey, why this?

If I had died, you guys would have wondered about my vote. I am highlighting the fact that it's treated as a non-issue today. Did nobody notice my vote or is it because I didn't die?

All other points of discussion are valid and I apologize for derailing.

I just thought it worth mentioning since people are giving Epi heat. His vote helped to save Bullzeye but it wasn't the last word. No one has yet asked me why I didn't try saving myself. You would all be wondering that one had I actually been lynched.

Nerolunar wrote:

G-Man wrote:Fun fact: I changed my vote after Epi voted for me. I could have voted for Bullzeye and forced a tie-breaker but didn't.

This pinged me.

Are you saying that letting yourself get lynched and surviving clears you of being mafia?

No but I am surprised that this little fact has been overlooked.

Fun fact: I changed my vote after Epi voted for me. I could have voted for Bullzeye and forced a tie-breaker but didn't.

S~V~S fluffs Day 0 away on defending hippies and simple, short responses. She disappears for the entirety of Day 1 and misses the vote. During night phase, she says she thought days were 48 hours long. She also says that an important opportunity came up at her work. I cannot fault her for the latter but the former is fishy. I remember never fully trusting S~V~S before I went on mafia hiatus. She is a crafty player and that can get her lynched early. I'm on the fence for now and look forward to more participation.

Sig had some good input on ratios and lobbied for roleplaying awards. He has terrible grammar but is willing to engage in relevant discussion. He's not afraid to ask questions and follows up for clarification's sake. He seems like a straight-shooter with a level head on his shoulders. This probably makes me susceptible to getting fleeced by him, if bad.

Sloonei claims another mafia game is a distraction for him early on. He defends Quin by explaining that his behavior is normal for him. I like his willingness to use a pressure vote to obtain reactions. He was somewhat critical of Llama's gut-read rainbow list, which is fine. He reiterated that another game is stealing most of his focus D1. He doesn't by Sorsha's read on DrWilgy as justification for her vote. I have liked Sloonei since the first game we played in together. This makes it hard for me to view him as a baddie. When he's bad, he usually slips somehow and gets called on it. So far I have not seen anything that resembles a Slooeni slip.

Doing some ISO's is taking more time than I anticipated it would. Here are my impressions of the first few players I have ISO'd:

Bullzeye posts a lot of fluff, randomizes a vote and takes off. He then gets huffy about some of us finding random votes sketchy. Lastly, he also backtracks on his "quiet game" claim when called out. He's contradictory but also feels like he's too easy of a target.

DrWilgy posts some fluff but tries to engage in some worthwhile discussion. He tries to get some people to play some baddie association games. He needs to see an eye doctor because he is seeing things. He overanalyzes my post and thinks he sees nefarious frameworks being constructed. He provides us with his gun-to-head reads and asks us to reciprocate. Otherwise, he responds well to questions and is very difficult to read.

Epignosis posted meager amounts of substance with a fluffy mountain of fluff. He's really embracing the roleplaying aspect of the game, which yields fluff. Perhaps we really just didn't have anything to go on Day 1. Or perhaps Epi is currently too tied up with his Batman game. That could explain his apparent detached manor or intended to look so.

Nero subbed in and found Llama suspicious but isn't as suspicious now. That is all I have on him, which is a little frustrating.

Quin pings others by stating his preference for Day 1 no-lynch options. He comments on RVS (unfavorable opinion) and then engages in some roleplay. He thinks DrWilgy roleclaimed as doctor but I don't think I agree. Asks Epi what convinced him to vote for me before the deadline. I like his various attempts to engage and interact outside of roleplay.

DrWilgy wrote:Under the condition that G-Man is bad
Bad: G-Man, Sig, Llama

Under the condition that G-Man is civ
Bad: Epi, Bullzeye, and Llama

DrWilgy wrote:Llama in regards to you being on both of my lists, you are the most easily swappable one on the situation where G-Man is bad. I could also see G-Man, Sig, Quin or Nero, following you as "most likely temmie."

So... Will you play my game?

Can you explain why don't you suspect SVS, Sloonei, Sorsha, or Spacedaisy?

Sloonei wrote:Bullzeye is claiming that randomized votes are not uncommon, but where I come from they sre so rare that to do it once would pretty much be a death sentence. Can anyone back him up on that?

I thought random voting was out of favor but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Bullzeye wrote:I don't see how there's a larger chance at all, all I did was randomize a vote on day one in a small, quiet game. People are acting like I microwaved their families..

Day 0 and 1 may have lacked substance but it wasn't quiet. I think 6.5 pages of posts by lynch #1 is pretty vocal. Maybe not for full games, but for a heist game it's good. We're running about even with Arrested Development's post count at the moment. I don't necessarily want you lynched yet but you're not making sense. I'm at work but I will run some ISO's during lunch hour.

DrWilgy wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Quin wrote:interesting. a lynch-proof?

Sadly, my immunity to lynches is limited to only the first one.

DrWilgy wrote:A no lynch in a Heist?

Does this help explain how bold and cavalier my posting was today?

Depends G-Mizzle muh nizzle,
What did you learn from your bold and cavalier posting? Is there anything you would like to expand upon from your notes?

Linki - Do you think Epignosis saved Bullzeye?

They are just two of my three most suspicious players right now. I will analyze the votes and posts tomorrow before the night post. Unfortunately, my gun-to-head reads are more guesswork than they are wily intuition. Right now, however, it is time for me to head to bed.

DrWilgy wrote:Upupupupu!!
GTH reads everyone! Now before I beat you with a tomato covered Sorsha!

Under the condition that G-Man is bad

This a fool's errand because I am a good little civvie Pisces.

DrWilgy wrote: Under the condition that G-Man is civ

Under this worthwhile endeavor, I am suspicious of Bullzeye, Epignosis, and SVS. More thorough review is needed to solidify these quick, crude suspicions though.

Quin wrote:interesting. a lynch-proof?

Sadly, my immunity to lynches is limited to only the first one.

DrWilgy wrote:A no lynch in a Heist?

Does this help explain how bold and cavalier my posting was today?

I find it most curious just how fluffy Epignosis has been today.

The opening posts say that ties are broken with a coin flip.

I find Bullzeye's vote to be lazier than Sorsha's vote for me.

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.

Not really, but I would rather lynch a baddie so let's discuss before you gotta jet!

What do you mean not really? This is a response. Unfortunately I've not been able to commit the attention I was hoping to give this game today. Tell me what your strategy is on this Day 1, if you don't mind.

I don't think I would generally respond to pressure votes.

You should play my game. Everyone who can should before the day ends. If the day ends, you posted and didn't play my game then... well

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.

Looking over this, I actually really don't like this post G-Man. 1st of all, you can go back and compare to Daisy's other games. 2nd, you just finished Arrested Development with her.

Reading this post and the portion that I've bolded either means you aren't willing to double check a Meta that you are willing to base a vote on, or you are prepping yourself for an easy "oops, I guess I just forgot" when/if she's lynched as a civvie. Both of which screams bad sauce.

Linki - *Wilgy gives Sorsha a big hug! Now they both smell like tomatoes*

My favorite professor's advice: past performances are not indicative of future results.

Then why even mention the part that I bolded if you aren't trying to use that "forgotten" memory as a reference?
G-Man

I played mafia with SD for a few years before my hiatus. Having been away, I've forgotten how some of the old gang play. That's what I was getting at with my initial post, good sir. In Arrested Development she at least posted on-topic, helping me trust her. So far it's been mostly fluff and it seems a little under-the-radar. Why are you so quick to defend her if I may ask?