The Syndicate

@drcaonus, replace me too. I'm still at work and had a min to check but this just disgust me beyond words.

I'm on break but if people are thinking silver is scum I will bet you right fucking now she's town. If anyone is gonna fight me on that I will bet right now. I'm mobile so I'll speak later proeper

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I just realized... There's no cop in this game.

Sorry leetic, I lied.
Yo MM, got any reads or thoughts for me (and the thread)?
Yes, Silverwolf is scum.

How about them apples?

shes not scum shes town

i havent beena le to sleep but im not in a mood to make porper posting

ok got it up and working but im hella tired. so either tommorw moring or night i can get tot his

just arrived at hotel, however computer is being stupid. If need to
Mobile post I will...

also can you clarify on "your delivery" i dont understand the context there.

i wont be around to respond to anyhtig said to me till later

that being said, im about to go on a 4 hr drive, silver will be in touch with me

the context is that we are dating IRL.

thats all im going to say on the matter, we don't use it as reason in game and we don't want it to become one.

everything said so far has been game context related or past game reference.

MP, i will be driving by the time you read this so i cant respond proper, but i feel like your taking an oppsing stance not becasue you think it but becasue your scum for it.

you and silver did the same dance in champ game, i feel like the way your going about it is not so much an "agree to disagree" but more "ME RIGHT YOU WRONG"

when i get that vibe form people i will auto scum read it outside of guts itself and poke them till a middle ground is reached, it may look like im doing the same and maybe i am but you have to realzie if you are to say "well what about XYZ as comermis" i would probally be more then ahpyp to agree as its middlegrounds

MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:@MP, let me chatch up and ill respond to that post proper.

I will be gone rather soon cus i got a 4 hr drive ahread of me and 3 10 hr shifts for the next 3 days. im not goign to be here as much as i liek so im posting what i can
That's fine, take your time. I'm going to leave again myself because I still have plenty of work. I'm not going to keep this circle discussion going though, so if I don't see any productive way to continue this upon my return, I'm abandoning it. It's just been difficult to do so because now I already have both you and Silver as likely people voting for me for reasons I cannot discern.

silver said you were being overly defensive.

i have guts, does that mean im gonna vote park you? no

MovingPictures07 wrote:ika, I'm not trying to make anything personal, so I sincerely apologize if you feel this conversation is getting personal. You'll have to forgive me for getting frustrated because I feel as though if anyone ever questions you or Silverwolf, then they start getting scumread by either or both of you, because I've seen it happen in other games, and it's happening to me right now. You've said you had a "gut" scum read on me and you've not elaborated on it in the slightest, then Silver comes in and gives me the same thing, when all I've done is come in here and contribute and honestly express my opinions. I'm not trying to tell you how to play; I've said this. And I can't interact or gain any insight from you if all you do is throw out "gut" reads.

Look, i will speak slighty on both of our behalfs but silver cna respond to this herself on this matter. You have every right to quesiton us both, im not going to try to stop that, but when we get wrong scum read for what are improper reasons (ie turf wars) we will defend regardless of alignment. defending each other is jsut a second nature thing to us. if you noticed when i was scum silver did it a lot less, when i was scum i did it even more then how im porb doing it right now.

if we think the ohter is being attacked we will defend the other, if you are asking a genral question we wouldnt respond, have you noticed how silver only defened me to you and nobody elses convo? thats cus they are speaking in a normal tone, when i see your post (and i bet silver sees the same) i see an agresion to near attack form it. so silver will jump likewise i do the same

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bullshit. We're all playing the game and I'm allowed to give any opinion about anyone I want. I've had a certain experience with you, which seemed relevant to the conversation, so I provided it. Now you're discrediting me, ika. Stop discrediting me.

YOu can say whatever you like, im just stagi a fact that silver probally knwos me better then i knwo myself. so yes i have the rights to say your wrong on that front

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I'm NOT DISCREDITING YOU. Stop it. Read what I'm saying and engage me in conversation. Stop telling me and everyone else that I'm doing things that I'm not doing. I don't care how you "normally" play; I was giving an observation based on my experience with you so far. Anyone can change up the "way they play" at will, so I don't put any stock in what you say you normally do. Only what I observe you "normally" do, and even then hardly any stock can be put in that. People should be judged based on their behavior in the current game.

Your reads are baseless. You've stimulated no constructive conversation with them, in my opinion, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell me how to play.

1) people shout but people still use meta and all outside sourced and old games and stuff of the sort, is that a bad thign to do? using refrences to stuff?

i have gotten people to interact with me and have gotten sevral more reads off it. Likehow sig is using the same fallcious reaosn that we are both scum for in thred fighing. im not saying how to play either, im saying i have gut reads so im sharing them to get interactions generated, i was asking if you knwo something better to do?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you can see her doing it as scum, then how on earth can you say it's a town read?

You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?

ok let me tell you something out right, silver is the least predcitple person you can encaounter.

there is so much more then just "predicting" what she does as town and scum. i read what she post and look at the very mindset it comes from, i look at her agenda, i talk to her in game to sort her. it has 0 things to do with predcitibilty.

our very interactions in itself is what leads me to read her

pedit: again, let me respond to everything first, i will say that i am willing to lsiten to a lot of thing but when people go "NO" (how im perciving how your acting right now) im just gonna go full stop to it all.

agree to disagree is one thing, but how your acting and saying is "im wrong your right" and if thats the path you take i will fight the same

@MP, let me chatch up and ill respond to that post proper.

I will be gone rather soon cus i got a 4 hr drive ahread of me and 3 10 hr shifts for the next 3 days. im not goign to be here as much as i liek so im posting what i can

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I'm not responding to this. Get over yourself.

you didnt even read it did you, ive gotten over myself a long time ago but you have not. so hipcrtical of you to say such thing

MovingPictures07 wrote:
"Perfectly valid reason"? Are you serious? ika has given literally no basis for any of his "reads". It'd be like if I came in and said Silverwolf is bad and ika is good, then when people asked I shrugged, and then someone else tried to argue that my reads were worthless, and you came in and defended me that I had "perfectly valid reason". What? No I don't. Neither does ika.

your not refuting her point on this you knwo that right? my reasons of gut is vaild in itself.

as for the dicredit posts: the why you phrased it is directing it to everyone else at the same time

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Also, MP you haven't played that many games with ika compared to me. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to read him or not read him.
You don't have any authority yourself.

she has full authority unlike you.

insertnamehere wrote:Can we address the fact that the baddies are probably sitting back and laughing their asses off right now?

MP played the same in champion, he was scum, i could see the other baddies doing such thing, but im not ruling out MP

MovingPictures07 wrote:Silverwolf, I've respectfully tried to get answers from him regarding his various reads, to which he's said "gut", so I said JUST THAT -- that I'd not put any stock in those reads if he cannot provide any elaboration, even if it is barely anything, in what I believe was a respectful manner -- and now you and I are both scum reading me for it. So it affects my survival in this game.

this is what i call bullshit, your survival is not needed. a game can be won, alaive or dead, the argument of that is fallicious.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?
I'd prefer not to have yet another game where this discussion is had. It gets really, really old.
It's his fault the discussion happens every game.

says the person who provoked the entire converstation.

if you have a god damn problem dake this to MOD.

ill adress all of this shit but seriously, YOUR THE OWNER OF THE SITE, you tell me that people have problem with me, POT MEET KETTLE

i have been utterly civil in this entire convo and you are the one basicly making personal.

Silverwolf wrote:
ika wrote: SIlver: got any more reads?
I don't except leaning scum on MP and slight town on you. I'm usually pretty slow to develop reads right out of the gate and need to get into a game for awhile before I can do that.

I'm not sure I'm deserving of a townread right now from you or anyone. I've hardly even gotten into this game yet.

ok. silver is now super town. i would never see her make the underlined as scum. she would of been super happy with me town reading her as scum

insertnamehere wrote:
ika wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?
you cna ignore me all you like, i will jsut provoke you untill you respond
I was trying to patch things up, and not get you to provoke me.

I feel like this entire game has just gone off the rails, and has become about subjective opinions on how to play mafia instead of actually trying to find out who's bad.

well saying "well if you talk on guts, im gonna ignore you" its a good way to get me to provoke someone.

i can understand not taking gut reads into much account but disregarding it entirely nad basically putting a perosn on "ignore" for it is another

Silverwolf wrote:Also, MP you haven't played that many games with ika compared to me. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to read him or not read him.

^this very much

if anything wll send me to normal to IRATE RAGE is something like this. the only one who can ever say such things about em is silver herself. i can says oem people can understand me on a baseline but to have the audacity to say "ika does this as town and scum" is only a silverwolf thing

that also being said i now am town reading silver much more. i know if she was scum she would try to buddy me on only a few points, the fact shes going through length to defend me full shows me that she is wanting to work with me.

SIlver: got any more reads?

leetic wrote:So, caught up a little. It's a lot of people accusing MP, MP being defensive, the two users with wolf avatars talking to each other, and more. Personally, I don't think those two wolf guys are scum together, because if they were, wouldn't they use the factional chat? Or does that work differently here?

im still wating for the day where we both roll scum

rabbit8 wrote:Are you upping your post count be replying to every post with a new post, Ika?

Multi-quote?

its easir for me to do post by post cus theres no buttion for multi quote

insertnamehere wrote:After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?

you cna ignore me all you like, i will jsut provoke you untill you respond

MovingPictures07 wrote:ika, I have no desire to get into a back and forth with you regarding how the game should be played because I don't think any one person could ever proclaim in truth to know what that is. But it's clear we play in the exact opposite manner possible. My questions are in an attempt to understand where your reads are coming from and if you can't give me literally any post or even very small reason why your gut reacted a certain way I just won't be able to put any stock in your opinions. It's not discrediting. You could be either alignment, and so could anyone. I can only uncover who is mafia by attempting to uncover who is lying and I can't uncover whether you are lying when everything is based on "gut". There is no basis by which I can judge your thought process because you're not letting me in. I say all of this to explain where I'm coming from, not to discredit you or your opinions. Everyone is not out to "discredit" you if they disagree with you.

So I know I and others would appreciate if you come to reads going forward if you can at least provide some semblance of a reason so we can start to understand how your mind is coming to these conclusions.

And i have never really ever once said "my way is right" if you read throy dicussion i have made sevral thing that are opinionated. i dare you to quote me where i once have said in this game "your way of playing is wrong"

i have jsut stated how i play, doesnt eman im right or wrong in that sense. do i take more thoughts on what i think and what silver will think if shes town? yes i will.

if your trying to understand then you need to either:
A) jsut listena nd figure it out
B0 play more games with em

im not some cagey person that tries to hide reads, its clear its guts so what more can i say then that?

leetic wrote:So, this started? Well, reading over this. This is certainly more active than games I'm used to, so forgive me if I'm a little behind. insertnamehere has been a little pushy on ika, so he's a slight scumread.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Frankly I see no reason to throw out any reads just yet, even slight ones.
Why not? Reads are what you can use to gather information after a flip, at least that's the norm where I come from. Furthermore, they give you something to talk about, and read others further.

got any other reads? no need to be afraid about the activity

MovingPictures07 wrote:rabbit (and anyone else wondering), everything ika has said and done is characteristic of practically every game I've spectated or played with him. There's no reason to town or mafia read him yet, at least in my opinion.

but theres every reason to discredit me and act like you dont know how i normally play?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Frankly I see no reason to throw out any reads just yet, even slight ones.

why? what good do you get by witholding reads? its night 0 i got nothing better to do but share reads

MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.
i agree. im gonging to give silver a small town read right now
For what reason? Can't a town or mafia easily make this observation?

sure they can, but you should already know i know what silver woudl and wont do. notice how i said "small town read" its cus i can see her doing it as scum i am still catching up

rabbit8 wrote: Not much. I haven't played in a year. Need some time to digest the players I don't know and the ones I do, before devouring them.

For me the game is 50/50 gut/logic.

I like you. your funy

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.
I don't deal well with baseless accusations. And I'm a bit overly stressed right now. I hope I don't come across offensively because that's never my intention. I just did not sign up for this game to be lynched for next to no real reason; that's happened enough to me over the years and the wound is still there.

well, welcome to mafia. ill be blunt on this issue:

it doesn't matter i you got a wound about day 1 lynch or not. its a game of mafia and if for fun and enetertianment. if you can't deal with being a day 1 lynch then maybe you shouldnt play?

i have had my own set of "always being lynched day 1" too, even worse, i would be blatantly right on people then bluntly ignored then and left alive for endgame. thats a fate much worse then day 1 "policy lynch"

ive had that as well where i would be gone and only come back to be turbo lynched, ive had that 3 seprate time, 2 of witch where i called out the scum accurately and then went on to see town lose.

So fankly i dont give a damn about your wound, and if you take offense to this then sorry but not sorry, thats mafia for you and thats the blunt truth i have for you on that said issue

MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null
For what reason? Nonsense.

"Guts" you say. Unless you can back up any of your assertions with reasoning (such as "this post made me feel good about so and so because...", even if the reason is very minuscule), then I won't be treating your early reads with any weight, with all due respect.
congradulations you did scum tactic 101, discrediting. you should know by my games i have played here already this is how i always play
I don't give a shit how you say you always play. Stop it with that. I am not discrediting you, only explaining why I think your current "reads" aren't worth putting stock in, at least from my perspective.

You don't know everything. I'm allowed to disagree with your methods as town.

i bolded the main things that vaildates me on discrediting. if you said "well i am not going to" i would beg to differ but the second bolded states "i think your reads arent worth putting in" witch in turn is a genral statement and not yourself

insertnamehere wrote:
ika wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.
and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.
So, your strategy in mafia is to ignore logic completely and just go purely on vague, subjective emotion?

If this was the GOP, that may work. (EDGY POLITICAL REFERENCE) But mafia has always been 4/5ths logic and 1/5th gut reactions. Getting rid of logic only leaves you with a 1/5 of a shot at being right.

do you have proff to show that its 4/5 logic or are you jsut makign it up?

it depedns how i feel on what im gonna do with logic. 9/10 times i say "screw it" cus logic itself is subjective and can be wrong

rabbit8 wrote:

I might, I might not. I have no idea. I have never played with a lot of players in this game.
Why are you offering to link to past games if you don't care?

I play more of a gut game too. I like your style so far.

cus its open for interpritation onw hat people think, im glad i have another gut user. what do your guts say right now

Silverwolf wrote:This is very typical of ika's town play. He tends to hyper post a lot as town and ask people to vote him if they suspect him. It's not a solid townread, but it's an indication he's playing as town right now. I realize it's far too early to have that set in stone.
How often does he throw out the this is my town game in the first 3 pages?

prob almost alwyas

insertnamehere wrote: Is everyone else supposed to immediately treat your gut as gospel and vote with you? Because if this is your entire strategy, I honestly am not sure why any of us should pay attention to you. If you think that just voting based on whims and fancies is a good way to play mafia, then cool. Play how you want to play. But don't expect anyone else to take you seriously.

Did i ever say such thing? if so plz quote me where i said such thing, otherwise you should know the answer to that yourself.

As for people taking me seriously, i think i'm well known enough that people will still listen, i know silver will for sure.

wow lots happened while at work. im gonna ctach up and respond as i go

insertnamehere wrote:
ika wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.
and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.
So, your strategy in mafia is to ignore logic completely and just go purely on vague, subjective emotion?

If this was the GOP, that may work. (EDGY POLITICAL REFERENCE) But mafia has always been 4/5ths logic and 1/5th gut reactions. Getting rid of logic only leaves you with a 1/5 of a shot at being right.

not really? thats jsut an opion of how mafia should be. i mean if you look at last hesit game it wasnt really "logic" that won, it was jsut a cop having more clears then the scum cna eliminate, do we call that logic?

i dont caare about odds overall, my guts work more then my logic.

that baing said, if you wanted to talk on tecnhcial stuff, everony rght now has a 6.67& chance of being scum and this number never changes

insertnamehere wrote:
Ooh, now ika's getting super aggressive. Funny how that can be turned around.

To be honest, I don't really have any solid reasons to think you, MP, or anyone else is scum right now. I'm just hoping to stave off a randomized witch hunt.

CONGRATULATION YOU HAVE NOW UNDERSTOOD MY TOWN GAME!

that beign said, nothing in the game is really random, why do you think its going to be like that?

also im heading to work

pedit: HIIIIIIIIIII SILVER!

insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.

and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.

rabbit8 wrote:
ika wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null
For what reason? Nonsense.

"Guts" you say. Unless you can back up any of your assertions with reasoning (such as "this post made me feel good about so and so because...", even if the reason is very minuscule), then I won't be treating your early reads with any weight, with all due respect.
congradulations you did scum tactic 101, discrediting. you should know by my games i have played here already this is how i always play
This is how you always play?

Never like seeing this defense thrown out so early.

No guts, no glory, though.

then you can start by voting me when thats possible

i can link the game si have plaed here and prove that i really dont care anyways

or to better say, how about 90% of how i am.

i alwasy say screw logic

insertnamehere wrote:FUN SCUM TACTIC:

Early on, go after a civilian based on a subjective "read." Hopefully, the civilian will get super defensive, and you can use that as an impetus to lynch them. This tactic is a great way to bait civilians. Then, you can get your baddie friends to pile on, saying that they also subjectively believe that person to be fishy and scum. Hopefully, this convinces a few other civilians.

With this tactic, you can successfully eliminate logic from the game of mafia.

so.... what MP is doing about me then?

Dyslexicon wrote:Apparently this started. And I don't really have the time to play. But not to worry. I'm totallt not scum. No need for further inquiries. I'm innocent as a duck.

Also, can we policy lynch MP? Please and thank you.

why are you saying it spolicy lynch do you not belive he i scum?

Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.

i agree. im gonging to give silver a small town read right now

Goldy wrote:Yo! I'm in front line.
Fighting in frontline is better than any other option I think if it really helps to kill a titan, while doing nothing is most scummy thing but on other side helping to evacuate people is much likely neutral thing.

I've slight scum read on insertnamehere but I don't know what's up with sig? Though this is my first time here so I don't know much about everyone play style or regular things.
I'll try to help as much I can.

Well, if you see me typoing a lot thats normal.

If you have any questions let me know

Silverwolf wrote:OK, so we vote on helping evacuate which I think is not really a good choice because it doesn't force anyone to take a hard stand.

Or support the front lines or stay here and hide. I'm not familiar enough with the show to know which one of these is the best. Who is familiar enough to know this and what do you think?

somone said anyone who sayed was eaten iirc, so im rpob gonna die if it has any real things to say :P

i just noticed that the people have their roles revelaed now...

DrWilgy wrote:
ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null
Fight me Ika! Sig and I are team titans! I'll eat you before you lynch my Sig!

...

How effective would a lynch be on a titan?

you already claimed scum so i dont need to, i will just quote you where you claimed that

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ika wrote:ill thorw mtal to town pile too
Thanks. Lunch MP with me then, would you?

He's proven to be dangerous mafiabaddyscummuffinsockface.
I will not be the subject of a policy lynch, thank you.

quote me where i ever said i am pulling a polcy lynch on you? nice misrepresntaiton

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