The Syndicate

20

i was ther person who said life sucks

Silverwolf wrote:Soneji-I'd like to publicly thank you for your kind comments in scum chat. Before anyone complains, I only got access out of concern for ika and only temporarily. I understand why it wasn't released and I thank the hosts for their consideration of ika and your kind comments as well.

Hearing the reason for sivlerwolf as well i can understand why it wasnt revealed, i had a full mental breakdown in there, i do not mind if it was revealed but i beilve i said it earlier, when i made that scum post blaming silver i broke down cus it was so much a "not me" post to make to her. even now i am still upset at it. i ended up lashing out at epi and ohter for it too.

Like i said, if i ever make thta kind of post to silver its 100% scum. its not like me to use emotional manipulation to my advantage town or scum most time.

oh one final thing, when people complain about a game or a mechanic and how it was imbalanced or unfair, just look at my sig and remember that host cant jsut go "ok change" we have to abide by what we made

Soneji wrote:Considering how much more focused pressure happened after the Prisoner arrived and the masterful bus Epi and I pulled, I don't think I could say this was an underwhelming win. Maybe from your perspective as you've been dead for quite awhile.

This game was really draining on me. I'm used to 24/24 with no talking at night. 48/24 with night posting is a killer, though I think it while generally pro-town is also somewhat pro-mafia as town loses it focus.

I didnt see the rest of it after my arrest. i think we all did well overall but i feel like it (FMPOV) was a lot of jsut town eating itself

Soneji wrote:Even we're locked out of the topic now Ika, its lost to the abyss. We won though, aren't you happy?

ehhh, not entirely. while i did break a lot of old meta as silver metnioned. i feel like the win was very...... underwhelming?

a lto of the town got focused in itself when silver was the only oen to really say "hey stop the T v T and focus lurkers"

its very much my thinking as well, when theres a lot fo "1v1" going on i will more then not go and say "hey lets do something else"

as for the fuz bus, it was my full intention to have him offed in attempts for town cred as saw, it got me like 3 more days. if i was lynched, i could easily see fuzz off next

that being said clearing prsioner now

ok a few things:

first: i would like to still see the BTC topic of mafia, i would also like to know why it wasnt released, i wasactualy hoping for it to be released to to what happened to me in there

second: the post i made to silver and quoted later as prisoner is indeed 100% scum claiming from me, i would never in all my life make that post as town.

moreso when silver responded how she did, i had a RL meltdown where i was crying and lashed out a bunch in the scum topic. how i reacted to epi was 100% non-alignment indicative. its how i will act regardless of my alignement, i will not myslynch silver one bit.

third: iirc i asked in the scum topic what happens in a donvdonvcop situation and last i heard, everone would win?

finally: i do have one small issue and thats scums not baing able to put in the nk for each other, while i can understand the situation to forsaken scum actions if they are nto around, i think we sould at least be able to submit a nomal arrest.

if i had it my way silver would of been arrested n1

i got more to say but i need to make more post in ricoets game i will fix prisoner soon

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I just ate.

What did you eat?

I made pizza with Highland brewery's Gaelic Ale as a base for the crust. We had onions, sweet peppers, tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese on top.

god damn silver was saying she had pizza earlier to me. why does everoyne have to make me crave pizza

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Black Rock wrote:He's in love. You sacrifice yourself for love, right?
I mean I wouldn't, I would hang LC before I'd "let" him win.

Yes i would 100% sac myself reagless of alignment for silver.

and yes i very much do love her. If we didnt have the long distance sperating us right now we would probally already be married. back when i was depressed cronicly to a point where i was sucidal she was the only one that stayed with me and supported me and stopped me form doing it. that is only one of the many reasons why she is so amazing and special to me

*cries*

I love you silverwolf you are the most amazing thing that i have ever known!

*hugs*

Don't you mean person and not thing?

Yes......

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I just ate.

OMG, I totally needed that laugh

I... cant.... stop.... laughing....

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Black Rock wrote:He's in love. You sacrifice yourself for love, right?
I mean I wouldn't, I would hang LC before I'd "let" him win.

Yes i would 100% sac myself reagless of alignment for silver.

and yes i very much do love her. If we didnt have the long distance sperating us right now we would probally already be married. back when i was depressed cronicly to a point where i was sucidal she was the only one that stayed with me and supported me and stopped me form doing it. that is only one of the many reasons why she is so amazing and special to me

*cries*

I love you silverwolf you are the most amazing thing that i have ever known!

*hugs*

Black Rock wrote:He's in love. You sacrifice yourself for love, right?
I mean I wouldn't, I would hang LC before I'd "let" him win.

Yes i would 100% sac myself reagless of alignment for silver.

and yes i very much do love her. If we didnt have the long distance sperating us right now we would probally already be married. back when i was depressed cronicly to a point where i was sucidal she was the only one that stayed with me and supported me and stopped me form doing it. that is only one of the many reasons why she is so amazing and special to me

Turnip Head wrote: I call Silver town too and I listen to her reads like I listen to everyone's. But this isn't Follow the Leader, we're not a pack of lemmings. Everyone is going to bring their own perspective to each lynch.

I understand that but right now FMPOV silver has been the most accurate and most town read so to me shes should be the most listened to. i mean right now most people have been doign everythign else and silver has been fighting that for a while and she so far has been accurate on those so i put more stock into it

Turnip Head wrote:ika should we listen to Silverwolf today?

If i call her town you should lsiten to her reads even after she is killed. there ahev been games where town have won based ont eh single fact they lsitend to her reads.

I havent said much after last night cus i still feel like shit about the post i made to silver that night. Sometimes you have to take a few myslynches to get all the scums. TBH i lost all motivation to kinda play after last night and i would rather be lynched then sit here waiting about a circular discussion.

Even though silver is wrong on me, do not give her shit about it and continue to listen to her. I trust her reads more than i trust my own

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Thanks everyone for telling me I suck at this game.

I really feel welcome here.

I don't think you suck. But you've spent the entire game telling everyone else they suck. Stop that.

Quote her where she said people suck.

S~V~S wrote:You want us to listen to you, but you don't want to listen to us.

She would listen if you guys are willing to listen to her first. YOu guys are both doing a "NO YOU" type argument where both sides want to be heard but neither is willing to yield.

FMPOV I see this more on you guys then silver. She's the new player, shes the one who wants to be ear. I see everyone else (the site players) kinda joiing up against the solo person and it upsets me as well.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I really wish town would stop defending him because it's annoying the shit out of me.

This. This right here. This is shit town play. I don't give a shit anymore. You're being condescending, and I don't like it. We're defending Epignosis because we think you're wrong. If you don't listen to our reasons for thinking you're wrong, then that's your problem. Jesus H. Christ.

But the thing is you're speaking like a sith to her, you're not taking any revaluations on it, you're not considering her POV either. What happens to listening to the town core?

Epignosis wrote:Would ika kill you in a Mafia game or leave you alone?

If i wa scum on here first time with her i might leave her jsut so she can get accomidated to site, once we get used to it i would kill her n1 unless she is town reading me and makeing the game fun

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Meahwhile, ika is farting around in the interrogation room while his head is being noosed. SW, please get him in here.

I can try but he has a mind of his own.

indiglo-I'm pretty sure he's not pooping cuz I'm pretty sure he can't format mobile and wouldn't take his computer in the bathroom.

You should know i would take my computer into the bathroom if i needed to poo. I must of never done it with you yet

I havent been posting much cus i still feel bad about the post i directed at silver.

I dont get why ppl are defedning epi either. his entire posts are about how im playing. why should silver see his POV if she thinks he is scum?

She is callign him scum, so she has no bearing to try to see it, its twising at it wrost and thats why my votes still ont here

Silverwolf wrote:snip

oh so you did.....

well im logging of i feel like shit for that post i made wehn i reread it and im not really in a mood to play or post anymore

to the first part iirc, you didnt answer me directly so i did the same. if i am wrong my bad

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote: You asked me if I was town or not and I answered. You even defended doing that. So why didn't you answer when I asked if you were scum or not?

Cus i thought it was self implied that you knew the answer to it too

How would I know that answer to that?

Now, look at this post again. Is this a town post you would make?

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I swear, we could absolutely know ika's alignment right now if SW would just take a hard 100% stance. It'd be plain as day. Come on, let's stop farking around and do it.

I'm 100% certain he's scum.

Those wanting me to vote him-all good things come to those who wait.

Im disappointed in you silver, i thought you knew me better than that. No im not scum and if you are 100% convinced of it im am greatly saddened that you are 100% convinced of this. I expected better then this form you.....

This myslynch is going to be 100% on you

pedit: yes she is wrong

No, town me would not make that kind of post. I am town so looking back and realizing how manipulative it is, i am sorry. I didn't realize how manipulative it looked at first. This kind of post is something i would never make towards you town/scum/3rd party. I didn't realize how bad it was and reading it again is really making me feel guilty that i made this kind of post.

Silverwolf wrote: You asked me if I was town or not and I answered. You even defended doing that. So why didn't you answer when I asked if you were scum or not?

Cus i thought it was self implied that you knew the answer to it too

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

sig wrote:Next time you level up you should invest a few more points on your sarcasm tree.


Also your being super scummy.

and here you are still nto voting me....

ika? You here? I have a question for you.

yes im here my love

Silverwolf wrote:

sig wrote:I highly doubt you're right about him. Sw went from saying she was certain he was scum to him being town in one post. That by itself is scummy, if Ika isn't mafia on his own then both are since they are either acting way to orchestrated or one is scum tricking the other. Ika's post reeks of mafia manipulative behavior. But meh he was never my top guy. I'd like to lynch Nero I gave my thoughts on him before he seems to be playing his same scum game as before. Joining wagons or just tunneling on one member. Contradicting himself and going back and forth on lynches.

The paranoia is strong with this one.

that made me smile

sig wrote:Next time you level up you should invest a few more points on your sarcasm tree.


Also your being super scummy.

and here you are still nto voting me....

sig wrote:

ika wrote:

sig wrote:I highly doubt you're right about him. Sw went from saying she was certain he was scum to him being town in one post. That by itself is scummy, if Ika isn't mafia on his own then both are since they are either acting way to orchestrated or one is scum tricking the other. Ika's post reeks of mafia manipulative behavior. But meh he was never my top guy. I'd like to lynch Nero I gave my thoughts on him before he seems to be playing his same scum game as before. Joining wagons or just tunneling on one member. Contradicting himself and going back and forth on lynches.

If you think im scum back it up with a vote.

Yes master. Tell me while you get all whiny if I vote for you like you did when everyone else did or just switch to me like you did when Epi suspected you.

Your still not voting me, this shows an ulterior motive

sig wrote:I highly doubt you're right about him. Sw went from saying she was certain he was scum to him being town in one post. That by itself is scummy, if Ika isn't mafia on his own then both are since they are either acting way to orchestrated or one is scum tricking the other. Ika's post reeks of mafia manipulative behavior. But meh he was never my top guy. I'd like to lynch Nero I gave my thoughts on him before he seems to be playing his same scum game as before. Joining wagons or just tunneling on one member. Contradicting himself and going back and forth on lynches.

If you think im scum back it up with a vote.

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I swear, we could absolutely know ika's alignment right now if SW would just take a hard 100% stance. It'd be plain as day. Come on, let's stop farking around and do it.

I'm 100% certain he's scum.

Those wanting me to vote him-all good things come to those who wait.

Im disappointed in you silver, i thought you knew me better than that. No im not scum and if you are 100% convinced of it im am greatly saddened that you are 100% convinced of this. I expected better then this form you.....

This myslynch is going to be 100% on you

pedit: yes she is wrong

Silverwolf wrote:ika-How can you say you are gonna flip town but also say my scumread on you is correct?

I dont think i have ever said your read was right or wrong, are you 100% sure on it?

pedit: yes it does, it alwasy will too

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you are bad.

nope. im gonna flip town

Oh okay. So Silverwolf is wrong about you, and the 100% streak will end? That stinks.

nope

What we have here, ika, is a paradox. You can't have both. Either you're bad and the streak lives on, or you're town and the streak dies.

or that she has not yet reached a conclusion

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you are bad.

nope. im gonna flip town

Oh okay. So Silverwolf is wrong about you, and the 100% streak will end? That stinks.

nope

S~V~S wrote:So you are bad.

nope. im gonna flip town

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:Silver can read me accurately.

Do you ever plan to change that? If you're bad, don't you ever want to win? Or is the ultimate success being read correctly by your girlfriend?

You sound like the Lone Ranger.

Maybe one day. My goal with silver is alwasy as follows:

if i am town: show her i am and read her as town if she is too
if i am to ever draw scum: be able to fool her to a point where she is convinced im town

winning isnt everythign i never said i was town or scum and my flip will show people are lookign to much into what i am saying.

i play to challange my intellect, i play to have fun, i play to do something in my free time.

Just do me a favor and listen to silver after my flip.

Silverwolf wrote:ika-No one is gonna have 100% read on someone unless they are scum.

stool pidgond can have a 100% read on someone

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:Silver can read me accurately. She is struggling with her read on em as well. if she were to be certain of it then i would answer.

As long as silver has some reservations about me, the question at hand cant be answered

HOLY PEDIT PPL LET ME TYPE

She says you are currently a scum read for her. Not an absolute 100% certainty, but a scum read. Is she incorrect to call you a scum read? Quit dodging the question and answer it, or you're going to effing die.

Until she reaches a 100% conclusion i refuse to comment

pedit: i trust that shes town and i trust her abilty to reach the right conclusion in the end. she neevr said to expctively vote me so powers to you

S~V~S wrote:Should we call Silvers bluff and lynch ika?

Go for it and lose another town

Quin wrote: \_(:T)_/

Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough

But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika

wow.......

im very tempted to vote back based on this now

pedit: i cant answer defenitvly if there is nothign put in stone. silver siad 70% last i hear and then she herself admitted to have troube reading and has reservatiosn on it. SO she has no conclusoin made yet. when she reaches it i will answer but i dont rush her thinking

Silver can read me accurately. She is struggling with her read on em as well. if she were to be certain of it then i would answer.

As long as silver has some reservations about me, the question at hand cant be answered

HOLY PEDIT PPL LET ME TYPE

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I love that I am being told by both of you how the game is played. I'm just Prisoner 509378, what do I know?

You know what the prison life is like, you could tell me about that.

More on topic, mafia is an ever evolving game that has no real clear defined "right" or "wrong" i think there is optimal plays on stuff but i never try to ever insinuate that there is a "right" way to play. if you have somethign in spcific i said feel free to tell me and i cna clarify

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:ika, would you rather get lynched to prove SW right than survive?

if silver said "im 100% sure ika is scum lynch him" i would say yes. if she has any doubt i say no and let her continue her poing and prodding on me

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:That's fine. The fact that people are agreeing with it is supremely frustrating to me. I know ika and have experience with him and it's really, really annoying when people who don't know either of us say I don't.

Nobody is saying you don't know him or have playing experience with him. They're saying that your read is not infallible and on its own power is not enough motive to lynch him.

ika himself seems to be arguing against that which should confirm that he is a baddie.

not exactly, im telling him off cus its how we are. me and silver liek to draw our own conclusions on our own. we dont like being baby held on reading each other.

im saying if she scum reads me let her push it and reach it herself

And finally meta is not shit, i have gotten more reads right on meta alone then some shit like "logic"

everyone has a meta, everyone has a trait that they follow, meta may not be absoulte but it is a baseline i use and i haev actualy gotten sucm lynched off it before so i disagree entrely. meta is not shit at all, it can be the most powerful or detrmental tool.

people who shit on it dont knwo how to use it is my 2 cents

Epignosis wrote:
Going to use "sarcastic orange" for once in my life:

I don't think Turnip Head is good. I don't think Turnip Head is bad. So I should vote for him. Nah.

"I think he's town so I disagree."

But I don't (necessarily) think you're "town." I questioned SilverWolf's ability to read you. That's precisely what I called into question. "I think he's town so I disagree" wouldn't have accomplished my purposes. Whether she likes it or not, Silverwolf can't read you as well as she says she can. That's important for the civilians to know, and I'm sorry I didn't go about that business sooner.

Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.

She can, you haev no evidence or experice to disprove your claim, you have not played with me, you dont know my playstyle, you knwo nothing about of me so i dont belive your town/scum read whateevr on me is genuine and that you knwo it form a scum perspective

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset

Counting to 5 and leaving the game thread when you get upset is definitely an excellent habit to develop.

For me it's 100

for me its 17 :P

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset

i didnt want to strip quote so answers in yellow im sick of the cile ebing made.

draconus or epi are my votes today

Epignosis wrote:My controller ran out of batteries during sudden death. I blame Simon.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

I don't have a "town read" on you though.

so your scum reading me? then you should have no problem voting me

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

not this at all. want to knwo a pro tip about my meta? im a heavy busser and silver knwos that i will vote with her even if its a scum buddy so if she thinks its scum and i were to eb scum, its a moot point to try to devine that.

ika, if everyone knows what you do when you are bad, then shouldn't you...you know...vary it up?

not really, i change some here and there form time to time but most times i enjoy people knowing my metas so i can challange it

Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.

It's scum 101.

I don't see why I have to think you're bad to think you're wrong.

its the discredintg on it is the thing, there is 0 town motivation ebhind it. you can easly jsut say "i think hes town so i disagree"

ika wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.

PIssing me and silver off. When he is using persoanl relationship reasons to discredt it (as silver jsut pointed out with his post) i will have a problem regardless of my alginemt

No. The moment someone comes in and says she can read someone well because of their relationship is the moment she invites scrutiny on that claim. Well, she's being scrutinized. If you don't want your relationship called into question, don't make it part of the game.

I still don't get your beef with it. Jesus. I never said you guys didn't love each other.

my beef is that the reason we can read is more then jsut the relationsship, its our histroy, out metas, our very playstelys and how we interact. when you narrow it to the relatipnship itself we get pissed. you could of mention the interactions, the plays we have made, hell most of what we have actualy said it more meta based then relationship based so.....

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

No, not this.

I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.

And this tells me you're prone to recency bias as well.

Is ika bad or not?

Why or why not?

ill let silver answer

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

You know nothing about Epignosis. Nothing. He has this effect on people are new to him. It happened to me too.

I understand your perspective of him. I think you're wrong, primarily because I understand exactly why he did everything from a town point of view. I share it with him.

No. This is very similar to how several people i have played with act. this is nothing new at all. Its very much how he goes about it.

I have people who are unreadable to me, but silver have been able ot read those people before time and again. so i find this to be nothign new to me or her