Nachomamma8 wrote:I hope that Epi's scum game is half as good as he says it is!!
Why exactly would you wish this, if you were town? You can like a challenge but in the end its a competition where you want to emerge victorious, there is no well-wishing to be had.
While you gave the reasoning of Christmas prep for your dropoff in contribution, you've gone from full scale analysis to majority fluff.
Epignosis wrote:Long Con wrote:Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, so I read everything. I voted east because I wanted to and am satisfied to see it winning.
That was a lot of pages of discussing Snow Dog's statement about not reading his role card. I thought not reading one's role card would be a foolish personal decision but it wouldn't be a scum tell in my mind. And I didn't find anything particularly useful in the back and forth to help identify any scum either, it seemed a lot more about playstyle influenced conversation than anyone trying to manipulate anything. I think the people who we should look at are probably the people who were reading it and not commenting or committing to any stance. They are the ones much more likely to be scum, because scum love letting civs go after each other over stupid playstyle arguments, it saves them a lot of work.
Just my two cents. Going to work now. Third shift, fun fun fun...
Spacedaisy's point of view here mirrors my own.
So, who are those people?
There are many such people. However, it helps to remove some of the names from consideration for Day 1. New Jack City losing his shit over Snow Dog strikes me as earnest and genuine, for instance (plus I wouldn't vote for him today anyway).
Did either Mafia really think no one was going to come in (like I did) and explain the Island Monkey business and show that Snow Dog shouldn't be lynched Day 1 for such a ludicrous reason? Of course they didn't. I will thus likely be voting someone who stood on the sidelines while that uproar was taking place rather than vote for one of the combatants.
MM stirred the pot on Snow Dog and then left it to boil. MM was on Monkey Island, so I question his reaction to Snow Dog's little joke.
Long Con wrote:One counterpoint I would make is that it was just Day 0, so it's not as strong a viewpoint as it would be were it a later, meatier game day.
What exactly is not as strong a viewpoint?
In regards to the bolded, if they saw it coming, it would be easy for one of them to act first and try to gain town cred by playing the voice of reason. I'm not much of the opinion that mafia would avoid talking about the Snow Dog situation given it was day 0 and the likelihood of a SD lynch happening D1 were very slim(Wilgy didn't get lynched in Monkey Island).
Mafia can like letting civs go at each other but they also like putting easy suspicion on aggressive townies.
Zebra to me this game comes off as trying to push certain angles where none exist really. Snow Dog's claim of not reading his role naturally came off as a joke to anyone in Monkey Island but Zebra argued for what he did as some baiting tactic, with a catch-all pass to be scummy if you can claim or have it claimed that you were just luring out mafia.
Golden wrote:First read - zebra is town. I love the way he is deconstructing DDL and Jacks arguments around Snow Dog, despite the much easier route being to do what I did and say 'Snow was not 'lying', he was just engaging in referential banter'.
The easy route doesn't allow you to paint people as scum. For all the angles Zebra expects DDL and Jack to have considered, at a time when no decision or claim can even be close to final, she overlooks angles herself like culture clash and approaches their statements as definitive in terms of Snow Dog being their day one lynch.
I'll be voting Zebra for now.