The Syndicate

Not as busy now as I was these past few days so will get to work here after I'm off of actual work.

Locked inside my room, sad and alone as if I'm Jeb Bush here.

I'll be back in a bit to do d2 and d3. For now will put my vote down on Sloonei :

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

It's considerably easy for me to forget this place exists at times, especially when I have things actually going on in my life. Did a d1 more thorough read, and will be doing reads of d2 and this day phase before day end. Thankfully majority of posts were on d1.



112

112 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:51 am Juliets seems towny by my meta of her. She doesn't use contractions and writes pretty bluntly sometimes, so she always looks kinda sketch, but I'd lean town on her right now owing to the complicatedness of her Sloonei read- I think she's being genuine when she says she doesn't know how to read him well and is concerned with being fooled again. She says she's reading him more as town now, but it's an early back-and-forth type read and those tend to come from townies more often than wolves; wolves are more inclined to stick with an early read throughout a greater duration of the round and don't flip-flop so soon. I think she's showing true uncertainty.

Regarding Sloonei, I can see him as a wolf personally. His questions don't seem to go anywhere and he's forcing the humour a bit.

It seems someone not using contractions is a scum ping for you, but you failed to point out the specific Sloonei post responding "I do not know." when pressed about who was scum. Your take on Sloonei here is just one line at the bottom, after a whole paragraph spent on a townread, to just say that you could see him as a wolf. Not that you specifically read him as one, so it seems like you're only giving a thumbs up to others push there, while distancing yourself from it. Is he your packmate?

112 throughout d1 was rather measured, but didn't strongly push anything except Dizzy for 3p stuff, and then Wilgy for a reaction to Dizzy stuff, neither of which look good.

DrWilgy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:03 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:50 pm I would love to hear some impressions or leans or whatever you're comfortable with at this point. I don't have any impression of you right now except I like you and Jack is funny. Please give me something to work with.

You are good.
112 is good but I'm not as sure as I'm not used to them.
Sloonei is likely bad and in contrast Epi is likely good.
I'm open to Dad being added to my list of nicknames.
Jack being mia is nbd for the moment.
Nanook is somewhat sketchy.
I'm not going to pretend that I can ever read LC.

Does this satisfy you Jules or do you have any questions. Do my thoughts raise any questions?

Solid opening reads list from Wilgy, with 112 being the only difference up to this post.

I mindmelded with Wilgy quite a bit even outside this post, and liked where they pushed. Their wagon d1 was extremely suspect with Sloonei pushing back on their suspicion but not Epi's(Wilgy an easier target), and MP7's flopping on the slot. I don't see any good reasoning why they were a wagon that day.

Dyslexicon

Openly outed as 3p, and seemed genuinely bummed about it. Outside of the gambit of them being actually just scum claiming indie here which feels unlikely, worry would be that they're truly anti-town, but truly anti-town indies make themselves apparent eventually through actions.

Funnygurl555

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:09 pm scirrus seems alright but im wary of giving em a town read

Think this post is a good look for FG as it went against the consensus townread on Scirrus. Most scum would just let that be and not rock the boat.

FG didn't give much analysis d1, but their little agreements here and there along with a few stray thoughts of their own read good.


Long Con

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:24 pm Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.

That's a Day 2 problem.

This MP quote reminded me of this MP quote:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

Wilgy was pretty clear in what he was saying, and MP tries to deflect it... it's straw-mannish. "If you can't define my *scum strategy* in a way that I accept, your accusation isn't valid." Dislike.

This along with other late LC posts d1 pinged me for shading MP while not trying to lead a wagon there. Eventually put a vote on MP7 after being pressed about that, not inspiring. Almost certainly not w/w with MP7 though which is a good get out of this. Good feels that he ended on Sloonei/townread Wilgy.

M Plus 7

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:16 pm I absolutely hate that 4-person wagon on Sloonei. It's static. It's not pushing the game forward in any way. If there's one reason to ever lynch Mac here, that'd be one. I understand Epi's vote being there, but I'd encourage those voters to at least more actively consider other options.

If Sloonei is scum and I'm actively now arguing to avoid his lynch d1, then lol, but if he is scum I'm confident we can catch him with strong town play.

I don't remember town!you being this peeved about "static wagons" as you say in the practice game we played together. Rather there was tunneling on a group of players, and that was a rather consistent group that you helped push. You specifically led tunnel wagons onto Drago and cayvie there. If Sloonei wagon is right, why does it matter if it's static? What pushes the game truly forward for town are scum flips. There were other people being talked about, it's not like the game came to the consensus that Sloonei was the lynch and no one else should be looked at.

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.


MacDougall

Mac's d1 was just him asking where to sheep, almost nothing to go off of here except Sloonei vote and maybe the MP7 connection potentially. The park on Sloonei after asking for a sheep and getting one with MP7 is a bit eyebrow raising if Sloonei is town, IIRC they talked about being anti-Sloonei d1 lynch in a prior game.

NANOOK

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:05 pm I’m going to hard align with Jules cause I feel like she gets scumread early for pretty silly reasons every game I’ve played with her so far

Quoting this to note if NANOOK defends juliet's slot during d2 lynch of them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:45 pm (Also I kinda think they’re scummy but I have to do some homework to see if that holds up but also I don’t want to cause that’s work)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:26 pm I no longer have a 112 scumread, someone tell me a better place to vote

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:30 pm Juliets/nova/112 are off the table for me, Epi and sloonei probably too. Probably scirrus too actually.

Someone sell me on a vote outside that group please, I don’t want to do more work

There were no new 112 posts between these two posts, barely any posts at all. What was the progression here?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:37 pm You sold me a jack vote it is

This was in response to 112's suggested votes, in combination with the above I'm thinking that NANOOK/112 is unlikely, as that is just a very strange sequence of posts to have regarding/interactiing with one's packmate.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:46 pm Let’s say it’s nine cause ten is fucking ridiculous tbh

Currently I have Jules/nova/112/Epi/sloonei/scirrus on my no kill list, so that’s 7/9 including myself.

Who wants to stand up and be townread?

Isn't this just like...everyone who had actually posted so far that d1?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:15 am

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:00 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:45 pm (Also I kinda think they’re scummy but I have to do some homework to see if that holds up but also I don’t want to cause that’s work)

what pinged you originally?

I had it in my head that a dive right in opening was sort of scummy for 112, but then I reread their opening 15ish posts in coronavirus mafia (their most recent on site town game AFAIK) and they dove right in there too, so it made the initial read meaningless.

Thank Scirrus for pressing you on this. It does feel funny that you'd go meta searching this early in a game, before you actually press them about your initial suspicion, to at least get some discussion going and get a feel for them in this game. Don't get the feel you're w/w though, and hard to see wolfy motivation on your end here. If you were trying to buddy a town!112 then I'd think you'd bring up the meta stuff earlier.

Scirrus

Scirrus had great threadflow throughout d1, a consistent presence in discussion that didn't seem to have any wolfy motives at all. Uncertain about things at times, but never hedgy/fence sitting. Has solid reads/progressions throughout.

Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:03 pm Sloonei, who is bad?

I do not know

The use of "do not" instead of "don't" here makes this feel forced. Scum use contractions less often when asked pressing questions compared to townies.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:25 pm We’re all very proud of your number two.

When Epi continues to press, Sloonei tries some forced humor.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:35 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:17 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:48 pm I don't even disagree, but I'm not dying to burn him at the stake quite yet. I need to interact with him. Sloonei

yes hi. im in two games right now and my brain only has room for one. i've barely read this thread beyond the couple of things i've talked about. but i can answer specific questions if you have any.

I understand. What do you make of Epi's handling of you in particular?

Epi does things early in games for his own reasons a lot. I felt like he was willfully ignoring the context of that one post he was focused on, but I don’t necessarily view that as a bad thing coming from Epi.

Why is it ever not a bad thing if one is willingly ignoring context to hard push a scumread? Sometimes people go harder than they would at a post to get reactions, but that is clearly not what Epi was doing given all his posts up to this point. It was a real read, that Sloonei thinks Epi was intentionally misrepresenting but he's too scared to call Epi scum for it.

Sloonei's d1 was almost entirely forced humor and weak resistance to his lynch, outside of when he saw a viable target to lynch in his stead in Wilgy.

TonyStarkPrime/Nova

I liked nova's start giving some naked reads to get things going, and they had some good pushback onto 112. TSP has been kind of random d1 as they said they'd be early, the juliets push was very meh, and don't like their ending on Wilgy. They brushed off the Sloonei wagon in their second post in a way that I could see town doing, given it could seem to be an overreaction if just skimming stuff. Overall like the nova part more than the TSP part of this slot.




Reads coming out of d1 :


Good

Wilgy
Scirrus
funnygurl
NANOOK

Null

TSP
Mac

Bad

Long Con(not w/w with MP7)
MP7(not w/w with LC)
112
Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:54 pm @Soneji when and why did you vote for me?

When was a bit more than an hour ago. Why is because your n0 push onto juliets post felt forced. Like I'm as prone as anyone to tunneling onto what I consider fake townie signaling posts but I didn't get that vibe at all from juliets post there. Then you followed that up with the rest of your posts for the rest of the game being weak defenses with some forced humor and AtE.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:30 pm @Long Con who should I be voting for today if not you?

Obviously MP comes to mind. How do you feel about Epignosis' case on Soneji?

I didn't know Epignosis had a case on soneji.

Slooneji strikes again!

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:22 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:13 pmLong Con has more bite in his pushback against MP7, but the lack of a vote onto MP7 is concerning.

MP has no votes. My vote will more likely go to whichever actual Lynch candidate I find most suspicious.

Considering how often CFD's happen, if you really cared you could try to make it happen, but it starts with you voting them and then getting others on that case. If you're just aiming for self-preservation then say so.

For those more familiar, is LC one of those people allergic to voting in general?

Have had to put this game on the far back burner due to extra workload as my city reopened+multiball priority, no walls today I'm afraid. When I do make them walls you know that they'll be the best walls, the huge walls.

I did skim read most of the game for general impressions, and Slooeni looks like a good lynch as his push on juliets n0 was rather forced, and since then he's just been weakly defending himself with a lot of AtE. Long Con has more bite in his pushback against MP7, but the lack of a vote onto MP7 is concerning.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:20 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:05 am Hi, I'm Nova and I hate vaseline. AMA

Why do you hate vaseline?

I always figured he consumed some as a kid and has sworn it off ever since.

I will be disappointed if Ted Cruz isn't revealed to be the Zodiac Killer.