The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:If the detectives insist on vengeance, at least let me be lynched so I can defend myself and eventually have everyone proven wrong so I don't have to deal with smug posturing every time I read the thread post-death.

*...votes Bullzeye?*

Well I'd rather not die at all, but knowing how Llama was so sure of his contrived pseudopsychology case on me and the fact I voted for him, plus the fact I have a brain, I feel quite confident in my belief that I'm now a target of my own side. As soon as his role was revealed I told myself I was going down for it. I'm just trying to convince them not to kill me, if they do actually want me dead I'd rather they find reasons to try to lynch me so I can prove them wrong one way or another.

So in this post and a good deal of ones after you just freak out over the possibility of being offed when no one has said anything regarding you being a target. You put on an act of being spiteful for things that only may happen and are entirely self-interested, even going as far as to not help the side you claim to be on.

This is the mother of all preemptive defenses.

Sophie wrote:LC vs rabbit seems too....rogger rabbit.
rabbit is acting weird, though. Upon reading him go against LC, he seemed like he was under some kind of curse or kinda faking something, and this is coming from someone who usually thinks rabbit is a civvie. Yeah, i pretty much always thinks he is civvie, even if he is baddie. but i dont know, something seemed off in his posts.

but this is just an impression after a very fast read of the last 3 pages. beare with me, but ive been super busy today (election day here in BA) and my brother is coming to visit me tomorrow. add that to work and university and boyfriend and you got a picture. i will be reading and contributing as much as i can, but this is not gonna be a week with much free time for me. at least until next monday, cause first my brother comes, then my grandma turns 90 and we both travel to our natal city, so all in all is an insane week.

i will do my best to remain updated.

having said so, gotta go to sleep now, its super late, but will be back tomorrow to read and reread players that caught my attention. mainly epi and bullz, but also roxy, rabbit, lc and timmer. im not saying im necesarily suspicion of all of them, but some things said in the last pages caught my attention and i need to reread, go back, read again, and make my conclusions.

now to sleep its late

This seems an awfully long post for only slightly defending one person at the beginning then giving a long-winded explanation for not contributing more while posting names of people just to seem as if you might contribute more in the future.

S~V~S wrote:
Also, I know Soneji is new to our ways & polls. But where he plays, unvoting is the norm. So not sure why he would think it was OK to not so something of the sort here. At least announce his intentions.

I just didn't generally think much of it at the time. With my SVS vote going nowhere and it being late in the phase, my vote had more power choosing between Epig and Llama based on who I had more suspicion on. I don't see what difference it would have made to say who I was voting for, with how close they were. Who would it have influenced that already didn't vote themselves, to change off/switch? Unvoting/changing votes is the norm on NF yes but when we vote its done in a post. Announcing my vote change in that late stage didn't really even cross my mind given the oddity of the poll throwing me off.

Epignosis wrote:

Soneji wrote:-Llama talks in a manner that speaks of self-interest and nonchalance, traits that are more associated with mafia who have more knowledge and vested interest in their individual performance over that of a townie who should care more about the group.

I get that Soneji isn't from around here, but this is a strange thing to say given this setup. How do the Mafia here have more knowledge?

I had been under the impression that the mafia in some way knew each others identities but just couldn't talk to each other until the Blacksmith used her ability on them. Basically just delayed team chat between the mafia. It just seems rather unfathomable to me that mafia do not know each others identities, the whole basis of this game is founded upon town having only knowledge of their own roles mostly while mafia knows who they all are. Then you consider that if the mafia faction killer doesn't know who his teammates are he might hit one of them. As a player and as a host it just doesn't make sense in my mind.

Turnip Head wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What about you?

With Soneji I didn't like that he voted for Llama without posting about his vote, even though he was here posting at the time.

I am rather unused to this whole voting via poll thing and didn't think much of voting for Llama without saying something in-thread about changing my vote as I had already explained my suspicion on him. It was between two wagons at that point and I had given my thoughts on both Epig and Llama.

Okay, so what are your thoughts for today?

I am still suspicious of SVS like I was yesterday. Bullzeye and Sophie for the things I quoted above. Dharma also raised some flags with how I never really saw anything all that contributive from her while shes doing a fair deal of joking/mocking, that post where she mocked Epig's use of math is what set off that flag the most.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What about you?

With Soneji I didn't like that he voted for Llama without posting about his vote, even though he was here posting at the time.

I am rather unused to this whole voting via poll thing and didn't think much of voting for Llama without saying something in-thread about changing my vote as I had already explained my suspicion on him. It was between two wagons at that point and I had given my thoughts on both Epig and Llama.

Long Con wrote:

Soneji wrote:The S thing I can't make much comment on. I have no experience with an open role list where the important details of most roles abilities are layed out and revealed ala Wheel of Fortune. On NF we either have open role lists with certain abilities being hidden and only known to the player with the role/host or we have a closed set-up.

The most common thing on The Syndicate is an open role list with certain abilities being hidden. The "secret parts to be solved" is used here and there. I don't believe I've seen any games on this site where the entire role list was a secret, but I've realized since Thingyman came to us that several of our Mafia styles are a departure from the broader norm.

When I get around to hosting here you will see it more often. All three games I have hosted were closed set-up and its the norm on NF. Open set-ups only happened maybe 10% of the time on there.

Long Con wrote:

Soneji wrote:-Longcon's post on the indies is one of those flagstone posts mafia makes, that look contributive yet really say nothing of value. What he said about them was obvious to the general public on top of being rather pointless even if it wasn't.

I disagree that my post said nothing. I was responding to the post directly above - blindfaeth's last sentence said we would be "waiting to see who the Independents side with", and I saw that as an inaccurate way of looking at things. BF seemed to be viewing them as a group who could make decisions together, but since they don't have BTSC, there isn't really a concept of "seeing who they side with".

I don't think that's nothing, I think it's something worthwhile to bring up. And that was just my first two paragraphs, in the third I brought up the "S" of BTSC in the secret parts of the roles... and if you don't think that held any value, then we just have different views on the game, I guess.

I missed it being a response post as I skimmed through that post of BF's given interlaced quotes, its also not above your post using 20ppp . Its more understandable as a post clearing up a misconception. I wouldn't toss out the idea of some of the survivors playing pro-mafia but at this early junction its not an issue, which is rather what BF was saying.

The S thing I can't make much comment on. I have no experience with an open role list where the important details of most roles abilities are layed out and revealed ala Wheel of Fortune. On NF we either have open role lists with certain abilities being hidden and only known to the player with the role/host or we have a closed set-up.

Only up to page 24 at the moment but my thoughts so far:

-Llama talks in a manner that speaks of self-interest and nonchalance, traits that are more associated with mafia who have more knowledge and vested interest in their individual performance over that of a townie who should care more about the group.

-Longcon's post on the indies is one of those flagstone posts mafia makes, that look contributive yet really say nothing of value. What he said about them was obvious to the general public on top of being rather pointless even if it wasn't.

-Epi's hunt on Elo seemed rather silly to me and a long-winded, ill contrived distraction. Being suspicious based off of meta about out of game talk but only narrowing the list of who she could be to three of the six Old Rogues and a large number of other roles that the Old Rogues don't need to take care of to win is rather pointless. Its process of elimination gone out of whack.

-Ace made a good point about SVS giving a preemptive defense while passive aggressively accusing Epi.

I have never seen a game have a day 0 before. Map games are something I have played before though.