The Syndicate

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:11 am I'm not willing to gamble based on the idea that we might have been right about Juliet, no matter how probable it may be.

LOL, this is funny given what I just posted. Well, alright then. But I'm not bad. Why is it Golf?

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:07 am
golf wrote:1. 4 players left
2. 2 baddies and 2 civs.
3. They kill one during night, bringing it down to 2 to 1. Game over.
I want to be clear, avoiding this exact scenario is my #1 priority for today. In any other scenario we get a second chance if we get it wrong today, so I'm playing under the assumption that we have two left, because if we don't prepare ourselves for that then that's how we lose.

Preparing for the worst case scenario is great.

Here's the thing though. How probable is it that we have two mafia members left versus one? I don't think it's probable.

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:34 am 2 currently living and active mafia members is the worst case scenario and lynching Delta is the number one way to not be prepared for it.

It feels really sketchy that Golf and Hotel seem to be so against considering that the other might be mafia at such a crucial time in the game.

Since when am I not considering Golf as mafia? Why are you putting words in my mouth?

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:02 am
Golf wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:19 pmFrankly Alpha, I am concerned by the fact you are pushing this plan to vote someone other than Delta. I am inclined to think Delta is our last baddie, but if I am wrong I'm looking at you for deep wolf.
For clarification purposes, is this a real accusation or are you just saying this to make your theory seem more credible?

Why would this not be a real accusation?

Echo

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Golf wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:19 pm They were my posts from the wrong account. One was just saying I have some pretty serious concerns I wanted to get out there before the votes start coming in and telling you what my plans were so when I would be back to get them into the thread. And the second was :sighs: because I realized I posted from the wrong account.

Ok, here is my problem with trying to lynch someone we believe might be a baddie teammate with Delta.

1. Five players left.
2. At least one baddie, maybe 2.
3. Max 4 civs, possibly only 3.

Let's say Delta is bad and has a deep wolf teammate. What happens if we lynch the wrong person?

1. 4 players left
2. 2 baddies and 2 civs.
3. They kill one during night, bringing it down to 2 to 1. Game over.

Let's say Delta is civ and there is a deep wolf. What happens if we lynch the wrong person?

1. 4 players left
2. 1 baddie and 2 civs.
3. DELTA IS INACTIVE, so we should assume he won't vote! That brings it down to 1 baddie vote and 1 civ vote.
4. Deep wolf has set up a perfect mislynch of Delta, game over.

Let's say Delta is baddie and has no teammates alive. What happens if we vote the wrong person?

I won't go through the step by step here, basically best case scenario is we see no kill and so we go ahead and lynch Delta. Worst case is Delta comes in and submits some kind of kill or other and we are in the same position tomorrow as today, wondering if we should lynch an active player because we must have gotten the wrong one yesterday.

Let's say Delta is civ and we lynch him today. What happens?

1. 4 players left
2. 1 baddie, 3 civs (all active)
3. Baddie kills someone (giving us some kind of information to go on)
4. We go into the next day phase with 1 baddie vs. 2 civs (both active)

Our absolute best and I believe only option here is to vote Delta. We can't risk the first two scenarios by leaving a likely inactive player in the game.

Frankly Alpha, I am concerned by the fact you are pushing this plan to vote someone other than Delta. I am inclined to think Delta is our last baddie, but if I am wrong I'm looking at you for deep wolf.

I'm not feeling Delta as solo baddie... so unless there are two baddies (again, not feeling it, but possible), unfortunately I think it will be a mislynch. Nonetheless, this makes sense to me. I'm willing to vote Delta just because it makes 0 sense to leave an inactive player in LYLO because that's a death sentence.

Echo

Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:16 pm I'd like to hear perspectives on the Juliet/Golf relationship I examined.

Why is it believable? You lost me somewhere in there.

Echo

Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:14 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:42 am It's not me, unfortunately. Please don't throw away the game by voting me out.

I really am flabbergasted. I still think Golf is good, and so... it's natural to conclude that Delta is bad, but I agree that he's not a solo baddie. But then by POE that means either Alpha or Bravo is bad, and at that point I throw my hands up in the air.
If Delta is bad but not a solo baddie, that would imply that there was only one mafia member among Kilo, Echo, and Juliet. Do you believe that to be the case?

I don't think it's likely, no. It's distinctly possible, but I'm not feeling it.

Echo is confirmed bad, Juliet is pretty darn close. If Juliet wasn't bad, we're sitting pretty shaky as is.

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:07 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:42 amIt's not me, unfortunately. Please don't throw away the game by voting me out.
I think technically speaking even if we mislynch today we won't lose the game unless there's two remaining baddies.

Which.... if Hotel isn't part of it then it would have to be a Golf+Delta pairing. If we can be sure that the mafia isn't Golf+Delta, then I think Hotel is our best option for today.

Idk, I'm open to input.

Wait what

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:52 am
Hotel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:43 am
Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:13 am I don't mean to be a nervous November but.... The mafia kill choices don't seem to be kills made by a mafia that's nervous about losing.
All signs point to you or Bravo then, based on this, correct?
Well..... Not all signs as much as just the one sign. I looked back over Bravo's posts again and it eased my concerns. If Bravo is mafia then he's played an exceptionally good game.

What specifically eased your concerns? What concerns did you have?

Echo

HOTEL IN DA HOUSE

Echo

I guess if we have 2 mafia left it could be Delta and Golf, but... yeah, I don't think so.

I'm really busy this day cycle. I'll be back later.

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:13 am I don't mean to be a nervous November but.... The mafia kill choices don't seem to be kills made by a mafia that's nervous about losing.

All signs point to you or Bravo then, based on this, correct?

Echo

It's not me, unfortunately. Please don't throw away the game by voting me out.

I really am flabbergasted. I still think Golf is good, and so... it's natural to conclude that Delta is bad, but I agree that he's not a solo baddie. But then by POE that means either Alpha or Bravo is bad, and at that point I throw my hands up in the air.

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:10 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:08 pmI'm okay with voting Juliet as well, so I will go ahead and do that now, though I will admit I am rather nervous about it.
What is the cause of your nervousness?

Precisely the words that Golf stole from my mouth:

Golf wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:15 pm My concern is there isn't much opposition to thislynch. Unless she is a lone baddie left now or her team mate is bussing her.

Echo

I'm okay with voting Juliet as well, so I will go ahead and do that now, though I will admit I am rather nervous about it.

That said, I do agree with Bravo that POE is the way to go. The thing is: I'm feeling that most of the players currently in the game are town. Juliet, Foxtrot, and Delta were the only three I didn't feel compelled to read as particularly town, and now Foxtrot is gone, a choice which I can't wrap my head around.

I'd be fine lynching either Delta or Juliet, frankly. If that doesn't end the game though, I'm not sure what to do.

Echo

Foxtrot was killed? Weird. I don't get that at all.

Unfortunately, this Day cycle is going to be especially troublesome for my participation. Sorry, fellow players. I'll see what I can do though.

Echo

A rainbow:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie

Golf

Delta
Juliet

Foxtrot

Echo

Echo

Did I just say qualify instead of quantify? Jeeze. need more coffee.

Echo

Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:41 pm Echo and Hotel things

I see no mention of Hotel in Echo's posts.

Hotel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 pm Reads after quickly skimming the thread:

Town:
A
G
E

Mafia:
C
F

I'll vote to save G.
This is all I can find. Hotel liked Echo after a quick skim. Hotel qualified these as tone reads later. This isn't necessarily an issue, but it does beg expansion now. Please talk about these reads more if you could Hotel as they currently stand, even apart from just Echo.

Conclusion: the one data point doesn't inspire confidence. It doesn't terrify me either. This is inconclusive pending further dialogue.

Sorry, not sure what else I can do to qualify it, but I can try. My reads were really weak at that stage (and still sort of are I think, but whatever), I was just trying to force myself to commit to at least some things. Alpha seemed genuinely supatown, Golf seemed genuine (given I know who is behind the sock, the frustration regarding receiving negative attention as well as the setup's lack of flips rang true), and Echo seemed genuine (not knowing who is behind the sock, but I liked the "jabs" and attempts to generate discussion when reading through the beginning of the game).

Charlie (not knowing who was behind the sock but I think I have a solid idea now) seemed maybe insincere but I've since come to terms with that and don't have any particular concerns. and I felt wary of Foxtrot because they seemed insincere as well, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about them still. Need to ISO them probably.

Echo

Juliet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:58 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:43 pm Okay, voting Echo because why not. Need to finish catching up and then hopefully can provide some reads. This has been a tough setup to get my mind around.
What part are you having trouble getting your mind around?

The disguiser role is still somewhat confusing to me, but I'm taking your all's word for it and rolling with it. The lack of flips is very bizarre and I have no idea what to do with it. And maybe it's the sockpuppets too, but I've just been having trouble understanding pretty much anything so far.

Echo

Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:35 pm The search function isn't handling single letters on their own well, like when people just call each other by their letters instead of the phonetic term. It's possible I am missing things given that, so yell at me if that's the case.

Duly noted, I'll try to use only full names going forward. My bad.

Echo

Bravo, regarding your interaction analysis of Charlie and Echo, I think it seems pretty unlikely that they're teammates.

Echo

Alpha and Bravo are supatown. If either one is bad, we're doomed.

Echo

I voted Kilo as well FWIW.

Echo

Okay, voting Echo because why not. Need to finish catching up and then hopefully can provide some reads. This has been a tough setup to get my mind around.

Echo

Catching up now, apologies for the absence!

Echo

Now we play the waiting game.

Echo

Upon reflection I think C's avatar made him/her seem more detached. Lol.

Echo

Nevermind, guess it's over?

Echo

We only have like 1 minute until EoD though, right?

Echo

Golf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:58 pm He basically was saying India was suspicious because her response to me was, "Catch up with the thread" which ftr was pointless because I was completely caught up. I was simply stating the couple things that stood out to me. Right or wrong, that was how Juliet read to me at the time. Did I sum that up pretty accurately, Fox?

Oh, okay. I must have missed that. Entirely possible since I read things super quickly. I could vote "I" as well then. Either that or "K".

Echo

Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:56 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:53 pm I don't understand why I is suspicious. F, explain?
Your claim of who was good and bad had nothing behind it. It was empty.

I can work with it being tone as you described. What do you think triggered those tone reads?

Haha, I mean "I" the letter, not myself. But cool. FWIW I'm less sure about both of you since you've both posted recently and I've caught up than I was when I was reading posts. I just thought C seemed a bit nervous and detached in tone, and yours seemed supatown but in a fake way. I don't feel remotely confident in either of those assessments currently.

Echo

I also don't like how K parked their vote on G and just fucked off. I'll move there for now.

Echo

I guess I could move. I don't have strong thoughts at this stage.

Echo

Who are these non-letters? Get out of here with your lack of alphabetness!

Echo

I don't understand why I is suspicious. F, explain?

Echo

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:47 pm Huh, poll is still screwed up and showing Kilo at one vote but both Bravo and I show up as voting for Kilo so it should be two.

@Hotel can you explain why you suspect me and why you suspect Foxtrot?

Just aren't sure if either of you is genuine. Foxtrot seems a bit OTT in a disingenuous way, and your posting seems... detached, for lack of a better word.

Echo

Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:14 pm
Hotel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 pm Reads after quickly skimming the thread:

Town:
A
G
E

Mafia:
C
F

I'll vote to save G.
Why?

So far I've noticed empty posts from H and I

Hi.

Just tone reads really. I don't have any thoughts on I.

Echo

Alpha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:57 pm @Foxtrot what was the deal with your vote for India?

What's the deal with airplane food?

Oh, wait, wrong game.

Echo

Not sure what to think of J. Would prefer to avoid that but will vote there if necessary. I'll vote C for now.

Echo

Reads after quickly skimming the thread:

Town:
A
G
E

Mafia:
C
F

I'll vote to save G.

Echo

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:36 pm I switched my vote to a non-poster for now. @Hotel

I'm happy to lynch such a player today.

Not cool, man. Not cool.

Echo

LETTER H IS HERE BITCHES!

Gotta catch up, haven't had a chance to read anything yet. Will do that now.

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