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by Echo
Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:12 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:09 am
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.
:rolleyes:

Sure dude, whatever.
Delta wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm
Juliet wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm
Charlie wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.
So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.
Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine
Delta's response to Bravo's vote was to pay it absolutely no mind and roll eyes. Is that really how a civ responds to that sort of accusation?

Ultimately Delta and Bravo voted together on Juliet, which had the added effect of saving Bravo.

I think Bravo is OG wolf and Delta is the disguised.
by Echo
Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Okay Bravo's day 2 needs some cracking.
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:01 am [VOTE: Delta] aubergine
The above came after Bravo tried to coerce me into not lynching Delta during the end stages of day 1. Opens day 2 going hard after Delta. I do not believe that justification for the vote, I believe the vote was part of a strategy.

Especially given the rest of it.
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:19 pm
Echo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:38 pm
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:35 pm
Echo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm I don't like voters on either of the main two wagons and we need to consolidate now.

Right now I am want to just execute Foxtrot.
Why Foxtrot?
Foxtrot is the only player who is really not putting forth what can't be described at least somewhat as a genuine effort to solve the game, in a game in which activity is critical to our potential to win, given we cannot solve it in any other way other than to read posts.
This is lame.
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 pm Is Foxtrot over-doing it? :ponder:
Questions my Foxtrot vote, calls me lame and then immediately doubles back on it. In isolation a decent civvy tinfoily looking thing, but again I struggle to believe that they sincerely didn't like/understand my rationale. This is part two of a greater part of the day that I'd define as "Bravo failing to hold true to themselves and just putting their opinion where it needed to be to control the outcome".
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:21 pm
Delta wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm
Juliet wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm
Charlie wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.
So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.
Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine
Ha!
Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:22 pm I'm uncomfortable.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine
These posts are gross. I get the desire to self preservation vote, but the need to add the "I'm uncomfortable" justification is ew.

Not open and shut but Bravo doesn't seem to care about the roof imo.
by Echo
Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:50 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX [NIGHT 2]

That's fair. It is only 7 pages of content.
by Echo
Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX [NIGHT 2]

When I said I didn't like voters on either of the wagons, there was one voter on each wagon that I did not like. Kilo on the Juliet wagon and Foxtrot on the Bravo one. I didn't mean I didn't like everyone on both wagons.

I appreciate that you are trying but I also can't help but resent being accused on the basis of a non flip. I would hope you intend to do these interaction analysis's on everyone rather than just presuming that Juliet was Mafia and then stomping based on that assumption. If that is the intention then fine.
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:52 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta + Charlie, what is your feelings towards Kilo?
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:52 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

It's fairly brazen for Mafia to try something like that on. In this game where meta is out the window, where flips are out the window and info can't be disseminated I'm not sure I'd do anything other than post a bit more than average and sheep people.
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Bravo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:35 pm
Echo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm I don't like voters on either of the main two wagons and we need to consolidate now.

Right now I am want to just execute Foxtrot.
Why Foxtrot?
Foxtrot is the only player who is really not putting forth what can't be described at least somewhat as a genuine effort to solve the game, in a game in which activity is critical to our potential to win, given we cannot solve it in any other way other than to read posts.
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

I don't like voters on either of the main two wagons and we need to consolidate now.

Right now I am want to just execute Foxtrot.
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Charlie wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:27 pm also alpha may be my strongest civilian read right now for reasons
I think that Alpha might be the disguiser and that said disguiser has yet to actually activate.
by Echo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Alpha wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:06 pm I am dropping the weird voice for one post. This is important and I am unsure about it.

Echo has claimed to believe that there are possibly two kills in the game. He/she/they/it has argued about this, asked for proof, and badgered people about the answers.

The rules at the beginning of the game do not make this clear. I checked. They don't. But mafia would know one way or another by day two, and Echo supposedly didn't.

Why did Echo not ask the host?

Echo's ignorance is not genuine. If they wanted to know, they could have easily asked privately. And further, I'd say that if they have any conception of game balance, they would already know the answer. And even further, this setup was played on this site before. So we are faced with two options:

Echo is pleading ignorance for a hard townread. It is a scum gambit.
Echo is prodding others to see why they assumed there would only be one kill. It is a town gambit, and a nearly useless one for the reasons stated above.

I would like a response from Echo. If the ignorance is genuine, why not ask the host? If it's not, what do you hope to accomplish?
I didn't ask the host because I assume that he left that particular thing ambiguous for a reason. I also wanted to use it as a discussion point to create more content from. ie. I am quite sure that you are now being town read by Charlie because of this... I have yet to determine whether I agree with him. I have a theory about you.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Historically this engagement makes Delta a civilian. I can't recall ever having a little hissy fit shit fight with a wolf, at least not near as often as it occurs with civilians.

So that being said, who do you have suspicion of [mention]Delta[/mention]?
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:28 pm I believe we would have seen two kills if that were the case. Also, it would be OP in a game this small to give the mafia two kills
Hence why I am asking this question Delta. There are other ways a second kill does not appear. Quite basic and ordinary civilian roles exist to prevent Mafia kills.

I never even remotely entertained the notion that there was only one kill until this flip and nobody batted an eyelid. I was entirely under the impression the disguiser kill was an additional one.

I'm not sure that it's OP either. It's not a large Mafia team.

At any rate, I was asking for feedback and I have at least received yours, you don't think it was likely to be an additional kill, cool, I'd like others input.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:22 pm And I answered you and you want to get into an argument of semantics. You don’t like my answer, fine. But I’m not arguing at length over stuff that doesn’t get us anywhere. You can go argue with someone else. It is nonsense to argue the meaning of the word misrepresentation. If I think you are bad you will have no question about it. I have no problems putting my reads in the thread.

I have not quoted the wrong thing. That was what you asked me to show you.
Ugh.

It is not nonsense to question the motivations of using pointed commentary to describe how I have behaved when there are less pointed ways of describing it. This is analysing your behaviour in a very ordinary way. "Why did he choose to use this descriptor". It's very basic and ordinary scum hunting, not some horrible encroachment on your peace and tranquility.

I was asking the question of why you would say I am misrepresenting you as opposed to pointing at that I am misunderstanding you. There are ways to describe what I did from your perspective, many of them, and you chose the most provocative and accusatory way to describe it, which contrasts with the fact that you do not suspect me. It's a valid concern.

I will not be pushed around by someone over simply doing my civilian duty. Pull your head in.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm
Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm
sprityo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm
Charlie wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated
Correct
ooooooh. thanks.
I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.
This doesn't clarify whether the disguiser kill occurs in addition to or instead of the factional kill.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:20 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm
Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm
sprityo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm
Charlie wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated
Correct
ooooooh. thanks.
I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.
I presume you've quoted the wrong thing here?

I am questioning you. This is not a "meaningless fucking argument", this is me trying to analyse your motivations and roles. Avoiding assisting me does not assist a civilian outcome.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:13 pm Why do we need to tell you that when the host has already confirmed that it works another way.
Show me where please.
Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:14 pm Dude stop putting words in my mouth, when I think you are mafia I will call you out as such. You think cubs can’t misrepresent someone unintentionally? Bias make sure us read things certain ways sometimes and can lead to misrepresentation.
Misrepresentation is an accusation. "Being wrong" is the benign form of this.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:08 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:49 pm
Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:40 pm
Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:59 pm
Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.
Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?
Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.
The only person that could have possibly been the one conducting such "shady shit" is myself. Yet Delta has rationalised that even though my ultimate move was to vote for Golf, who Delta has determined was a civilian, this somehow clears me.

It is questionable logic. I understand it, but I am not sure that it is a civilian minded progression.

Choosing to exercise discretion on their own analysis however, is, I am want to trust Delta at this time.
Misrepresentation there bud. I didn’t clear you. But your actions at lynch end look much less suspect to me if I am correct about Golf. That doesn’t make you civ, it just means I let go of something I found suspicious in light of other factors after I ISOed Golf.
So you think I am Mafia then? You accuse me of misrepresenting you. I must be Mafia?
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.
Can someone tell me why this is an incorrect thing to have expected?
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Kilo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 pm Because they are both true, imo.

Day 1 reads are unreliable. Especially civ ones. Sorry Echo, it's just the truth. We have to stay paranoid for people who changed the way they post, even if in slight ways.

But we also have to come up with some reason to vote. And the Day 1 stuff is there to analyse, can't run away from it. And besides, the very nature of the ability should make baddie reads more reliable than civ ones, since only civs will be swapped.
Kilo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 pm Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.
The fact that you felt the need to make this second post after the first is enough reason to lynch you today. You clearly became self conscious of having that first post analysed and tried to get in front of it. This is something that nets Mafia A LOT.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:56 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Kilo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:02 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.
I dunno I find Hotel's roleplay style very easy to mimic.

I would think it's harder when it's a normal person's way of talking.
I wasn't analysing their role play I was analysing their grammar and sentence structuring.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:52 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:14 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:52 pm I think we can all agree that India was the disguiser. That is very obvious as that kill makes no sense otherwise.

India-scum had managed two whole posts. So expect the new version of India to muster the same amount of energy, if not less, as the challenge has now become even greater.
Alternative hypothesis: India-scum planned on shapeshifting all along and laid low on Day 1 to conceal their personality. Day 2 they are free to be any person they feel comfortable replicating.
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.
But if we follow the first hypothesis, Foxtrot is a very easy target. Maybe too easy and too obvious.
Foxtrot doesn't have to be the disguiser to be bad.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:04 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 pm
Kilo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?
I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.
it is hyperbolic. there is a need to reset some reads. there is no need to throw day 1 out the window.
And the "so... I guess" is the way Mafia introduce thoughts they aren't confident in introducing to the game. I would expect a civilian who genuinely feels this way to say something more like "I think day 1 reads are unreliable now." It reads like someone trying to put a negative thought into the gamethread in the hopes a civilian picks it up and agrees with it.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:05 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:03 pm
Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:02 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:58 pm
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?
Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?
Possible Delta > Juliet?
I do not understand the question.
Juliet had not yet voiced a concern about how Bravo handled the lynch train. Delta had. I am posing the question as to where there is logic in thinking that Delta was the disguiser and chose Juliet's skin.
Wouldn't Delta need to be dead for that to work?
Of course, ignore me.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:02 pm
Echo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:58 pm
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?
Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?
Possible Delta > Juliet?
I do not understand the question.
Juliet had not yet voiced a concern about how Bravo handled the lynch train. Delta had. I am posing the question as to where there is logic in thinking that Delta was the disguiser and chose Juliet's skin.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Kilo wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?
I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?
Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?
Possible Delta > Juliet?
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta appears to be the same person that they were from before.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Charlie has exhibited extremely similar posting habits to their Day 1. I do not think Charlie is the one whose skin has been taken, which is a surprise as it is who I would have chosen.

Perhaps Charlie is playing the vocal deepwolf role while the disguiser just lurks.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

I think we can all agree that India was the disguiser. That is very obvious as that kill makes no sense otherwise.

India-scum had managed two whole posts. So expect the new version of India to muster the same amount of energy, if not less, as the challenge has now become even greater.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:49 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:40 pm
Delta wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:59 pm
Hotel wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.
Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?
Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.
The only person that could have possibly been the one conducting such "shady shit" is myself. Yet Delta has rationalised that even though my ultimate move was to vote for Golf, who Delta has determined was a civilian, this somehow clears me.

It is questionable logic. I understand it, but I am not sure that it is a civilian minded progression.

Choosing to exercise discretion on their own analysis however, is, I am want to trust Delta at this time.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Juliet wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:35 pm
Charlie wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:46 pm [VOTE: Juliet] aubergine for now. at least one mafioso is a consistent, unchanging identity (possibly but probably not Golf). as such i will begin with my chief suspicion.
Guide me through your logic here Charlie. How am I more likely to be mafia?
This is not the response I expect of a civilian at least 75% of the time. Some civilians are capable of this, but not most.
by Echo
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.
by Echo
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:34 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

One down? Where does it say that? Am I blind or are the flips not telling us who has flipped?
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Well Golf is being lynched so Hotel's got nothing to worry about.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:27 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:26 pm
Echo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:23 pm Hotel vote Golf to cover their escape route.
I do not know why I should do that.
Well you can't now because the day is ended.

It would have been because at that stage it was either Golf or me getting lynched and me getting lynched would have sucked.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:24 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Never mind. Thank you for your help Bravo.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Hotel vote Golf to cover their escape route.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:22 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Switching to Golf.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Bravo seems rather perturbed by the notion of Delta being lynched. Noted.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Bravo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:19 pm Do you see anything suspicious in Delta's post? Or is it default?
Foxtrot and India ping me more than Delta. They have zero votes on them.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Basically as it was before then Golf's only avenue if they show up is to vote me into a tie.

In this situation, Golf or Delta can choose to vote for either me, and my response will be to vote THEM into a tie. Or they can vote for Delta. I am quite okay with Golf or Delta (and very not okay with my own lynch).

Should they just not show up, then the logical thing for me to do is to vote for Golf.

If they both show up and they both vote me and cause my lynch, well that'll be up to the civilians to solve whether they did so for good or bad reasons once I flip.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Bravo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:15 pm
Echo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:13 pm
Bravo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 pm How is that relevant? Voting Delta isn't going to help your concerns of Golf having an avenue to tie the lynch.
If the lynch ends 2 v 2 v 2 then I have a less chance of being mislynched.
That is assuming Golf doesn't show up. Why are you assuming he's not going to show up if the votes stay the them? While at the same, dreading that he'll show up if you put it 3 v 2 v 1, which would guarantee you not being mislynched.
If he doesn't show up, I will switch back to golf in time in order for Golf to be lynched instead of me.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

I have also now given Golf the chance to vote for Delta instead of me out of self preservation. I am more comfortable here.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Bravo wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 pm How is that relevant? Voting Delta isn't going to help your concerns of Golf having an avenue to tie the lynch.
If the lynch ends 2 v 2 v 2 then I have a less chance of being mislynched.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

we can't*
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

I think Golf is suspicious but unless we get more people in here we can put Golf into a lynching position that doesn't give them the avenue of tying with me.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

There is now less than half an hour until end of day and there is very little effort. This game is in dire health. I implore civilians to lift.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

So Golf is now in a position where if they self preservation vote, the day becomes Golf vs. Echo.

After re-analysing the thread, while I suspect Golf, there are several others that have contributed less. I have particular concerns about India, Delta and Foxtrot. They have offered nothing.

We cannot win this game if they are civilians and are continue putting forth this effort. If we lynch Golf (or Echo) and they flip civilian, there is a strong chance that we will lose this game. As strange as it sounds, in a low effort game it is imperative that we don't lynch players who are civilian and putting forth efforts. Therefore I would prefer we lynch one from the aforementioned pile as opposed to Golf. We can solve Golf, as Golf has at least made a commitment to playing the game.

India and Foxtrot has zero votes. Delta has a vote from Hotel. So I will switch to Delta.
by Echo
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 722
Views: 17341

Re: Phenon: Origins REDUX

Delta wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:57 pmWord
Delta wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:18 am Probably just a recycled sock puppet from the that game and he didn’t change the avatar.
Delta has done nothing, they can die.

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