The Syndicate

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am The two things bothering nutella the most:

The fact we killed a mafioso.

And the fact we have a confirmed civ.

This reads... somewhat manipulative to me. Can you talk about this, DDL? I didn't get this interpretation, but then again I also realize I have different eyes right now.

Yes.

The motivation tell works and I've been lynched as mafia/lynched mafiosos based off it.

When someone is bad they are more likely to say things that show contempt for the civilian faction or lack of belief in their ability to win.

That seemed like that to me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:27 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:36 am So anyone wants to lynch the "lololololol lets tie the day 1 poll" crew?

Starting with MP and nutella.

Especially MP, who hopped his vote about 5 times before settling on Sig.

What was the underlying logic for this?

MR was being lynched and you started hopping your vote everywhere. Then you and nutella started going about tieing the viote poll which is one of the most anti-town things that happen in this site. Seemed likely that one of you was trying to save MR.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:03 am Catching up. This is gonna be a lazy ass catch up full.of skimming cuz I don't have patience for that anymore.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:11 pm Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.

This post pings me a little because feels like Hyena is trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people.

Hey DDL, can you explain this one to me some more?

Seemed like a possible scum Hyena was trying to dorect the town away from voting for anyone outside of those 3. Which is good plan is juliets is town.

I also think we should reveal who we are teamed with.

Cuz mafia can reveal that to each other in their BTSC. So that's an info only townies are lacking.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:06 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:03 pm Ngl, I think this is something (3 votes being being majority right now) that you'd catch on to pretty quickly, Nanook. Especially since I'm pretty sure I recall people talking about teams sharing one vote? Did you talk to DDL before you voted?

There’s no hammer so majority doesn’t matter, dude. If DDL has a problem with my vote he can talk it out with me. He’s been around since I made it and hasn’t complained, so I assume he’s fine with it.

I had actually failed to notice the shared vote thing until now.

But I'm fine with it.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:56 am @TonyStarkPrime and @Jackofhearts2005 I'm Von Miller. Look him up if you don't know him, he's a good guy. I am town and not scum. You had 3 townies you were deciding among last night. I'm sorry nutella was voted off, I tried to tell people I thought she was town from the point where she answered my suspicion even though I had to vote for her. I didn't have as strong a feeling about MP7, I tried to make sure that's really what we were agreed on before I did it. I should have just voted Sloonei.

I will be happy to answer all questions and I will try my best to find who is bad. I don't think it's Nanook or Jack so I'll go from there.

I have zero belief the flavor of the roles has anything to do with alignment.

Also Jack exists and he played like a steaming pile of horseshit Day 2 so my gut says blame him. But he is sort of confirmed? Unless mafia played a ridiculous gambit. Meh.

Caught up on Day 2, not sure when/if I'll read Night 2.

Really sorry about nutella/MP. I actually secret voted Sloonei, but I did help push the case on MP so whatever.

Right now I feel like reassessing everything I had in mind.

I barely remember why I read speedchuck town to begin with and while I don'yt have specific reasons to read him mafia, I'm super paranoid about him again. Could vote.

I still want to lynch the Sloonei slot somewhat, especially since I feel there was a push away from it yesterday. Though this makes me feel like shit since the Sloonei slot is now MP and I already helped push a mislynch on MP.

juliets continues to be inescrutable, but I feel slight more good about her than bad.

Feeling pretty good about Hyena overall, though there is some paranoia here because he is giving me some heavy TH vibes, and TH is a master at looking like an innocent bunny even if he's bad. Point is, Hyena looks like a lovable person to the point it might be enough to hide a bad role card. But he's done some townie things all game so w/e.

WIlgy is meh. DOn't entirely buy the argument about the derp. Could lynch.

Mostly feel good about nanook cuz he's been much more productive than in the game where he was bad, also mindmelding with him a little. That said, I'm trying to be objective her cuz Nanook can fake emotion like a boss. I'll continue to be paranoid.

Feel more good than bad on TSP though he had too little posts to make me confident.

Bottomline is, I don't know what the flying fuck I'm doing.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 pm From a scum perspective you usually want to be in communication with your mates if you're going to bus them. Usually. Wilgy was, if scum, setting up a bus without talking to his teammates about who died. I actually feel pretty good not lynching there.

No, I think the argument would be that he knew MR died and was faking not knowing and making up an organic looking scumread of him to look good. But that seems extremely far fetched imo.

I feel like we clear people on this basis so often in this site that it's bound to explode on our faces sooner or later and that is going to be epic.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:13 pm Let's look at Juliets, MP, and nutella from a practical perspective. If we were to lynch two of them, which would give us the best path forward?

This feels like Sloonei is beaing stealthly removed from the lynch pool.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:51 pm Alright, here's how I'm feeling right now. There's enough resistance against MP7's wagon that I still seriously think he's scum, but there's enough suspicion on him now where if I died tonight, I don't think I'd be too worried about people letting him slip by a couple more days. I think I'm okay with going somewhere in {Nutella, Jules, Sloonei}. Initially, I thought we'd have a better chance at hitting (at least) one wolf by going for Nutella+Jules, but Jack, who I'm strongly townreading is suggesting Nutella+Sloonei is more likely to hit a wold than the former.

I like this post. Scum hyena doesn't have a motivation to defuse the MP case and invite people to look elsewhere.

Catching up. This is gonna be a lazy ass catch up full.of skimming cuz I don't have patience for that anymore.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:11 pm Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.

This post pings me a little because feels like Hyena is trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people.

This reminds me of Firefly Mafia where TH was bad and nutella was his #1 fan all game (she was civ).

Being wrong on nutes is likely to make me aim all the ammo onto MP though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 pm I mean I don’t particularly think they are, but being wrong on nutes isn’t gonna make me go “oh it must be Juliet then!”

It won't for me, either.

I mean if you don't want to lynch MP argue that if/when it comes down to it. I'm not even sure if it will.

Lynching nutella has nothing to do with that.

Been agreeing with almost everything he says since day 1.

Also iirc he pulled that "do a dumb case early to bait reactions" thing he loves to do as a townie.

I townread chuck

Ok caught up finally.

As much as I agree Jack's idea of lynching both MP and nutella is sexy af, I still prefer one of Sloonei or WIlgy. Because using that shot on a lurker is optimal, because it's way easier to get a consensus and because there's still a chance we are full of shit right now.

Right now I wanna vote Sloonei. I'm picking him over Wilgy cuz I'm tired of policy lynching Wilgy in this site.

MP looks kind of bad but his homungous effort looks okay. There's a good chance nutella is just playing him. Or vice-versa. There's no way they are both civ though, that interaction doesn't feel natural in 1000 years.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:10 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:31 am And just before that moment:

MR (4) – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook (3) – LC, sig, 112
Sig (3) – juliets, TSP, Jack
Jack (2) - nutella, MP7

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:12 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:31 am And just before that moment:

MR (4) – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook (3) – LC, sig, 112
Sig (3) – juliets, TSP, Jack
Jack (2) - nutella, MP7

Nook is not w/w with either Nutella or MP7. If they were scumbuddies they wouldn't tie the vote - they'd just keep the status quo or find an excuse to join my wagon. There's no more than one wolf in that grouping, and maybe none. (I'm also assuming MP7 and Nute aren't wolfing together in that last minute vote switch situation.)

This is a bit of an odd series of posts if the team is Radishes/Nutella/MP because he's basically calling out a save attempt.

That said, he uses this analysis to say that MP and Nutella aren't teamed and that they aren't aligned with Nanook, which means that if Nanook is mafia, we shouldn't be looking at MP and Nutella.

So at first I read this as a good look for Nutella and MP but the more I look at it, the more I find it's a bad one.

There is so much wine in this analysis by MR I'm almost ignoring it out of principle.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:40 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:31 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm
Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

You weren't even online during the night phase.

Ok turns out I jumped the gun and MP has quite a few posts in the night phase.

Sorry [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

Still not caught up but I wasn't gonna miss that cue.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:23 am Not to get all hubrisy with my reads again but I really think I'm right lol. I look at the player list and feel like I have legitimately good reasons to believe most of them are town to the point that I think if we lynch juliets and the correct one of wilgy/sloonei, that's just game over we win. I keep wanting to second guess that because i really shouldn't be so confident in all the town reasons after what happened with MR, but most of them are based on much more substantial evidence now and I'm left with an easy POE. It can really be that simple sometimes, right?

Yes.

It's very simple.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Let's do this.

One thing that got to me is how easily she dropped her suspicion on me once I called her out on her mindmelding theory being wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:07 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:37 pm Nutella is kind of tricky to put a finger on.

At start, she felt like the genuine waffly ball I'm used to. But then she started going viscerally against me all day, in my town reads, scum reads and my own alignment. This risks clouding my perspective.

I think I can kind of udnerstand what is causing this, though. Nutella is one of the people in this site whose playstyle approaches mine the most. I think she was expecting to mindmeld with me, and in failing to do so, decided it's because I'm bad.

I think this is an unfair way to judge me though. Just because I play like nutella does doesn't mean I'll arrive at the same conclusions as she does. In fact, I recall the opposite happening way more often. Usually nutella is this waffly ball that is saying things I don't really agree with, even if I believe she believes in them.

Well, either that or she is bad and I let my empathy trick me into trusting her. Whatever.

This is fair. And I'm vibing slightly more with you now (there was one other post I liked) so you may move up in my estimation.

She was arguing on the basis of "DDL's playstyle is similar to mine so he should be trusting MR like I do!"

And I called BS on that, but at the same time, tried to reach out to nutella and use that to read has as a civ.

I feel like a civ nutella might kept pushing though, or at least reverted to her normal state of being on the fence. But a baddie nutella could have felt disarmed by my post, and would have backed down like she did here. It doesn't feel like she really believed in that mindmelding theory of hers.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:56 am Like unflipped associative reads aside, Juliets is null. I read those posts and they don’t even move my Juliets needle. They give you a confident scumread on her. That smells to me.

I think Hyena believes his MP read even if it’s wrong.

I’m inclined to think Nutella doesn’t believe her Juliets read.

In the event I find myself shaken by flips not going how I plan on them going, I lose confidence. So if I was in Nutella’s shoes and I did find those posts suspicious, I’d be like “Sooooo maybe Juliets is scum. Idk. It’s the best I’ve got” not “I am confident in my scumread of Juliets so I’m keeping all the townreads I have even though I just lost my shit over an incorrect townread.”

It doesn’t feel like an actual town mindset.

Supposing Nutella is scum with MP. MP comes charging in. Nutella gives out an easy townread and then pushes on one of the null quartet off flimsy shit. That may not be what we’re seeing but that scenario feels consistent with Nutella’s actions and mindset in a way her being town doesn’t.

Or she’s scum and MP isn’t and figures she isn’t getting the lynch, accepts her pocket and shifts elsewhere. Also not necessarily the case but consistent.

This is the most conficent nutella I've seen in years, imo.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.

I couldn't tell that from your posts.

It seems the two of you are BFFs.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:18 am MP makes a good point though, if you think the way I locked MR town makes sense as a way I would treat a mafia teammate, I don't know what to say about your nutellameter lmao. If it's that beyond repair you might not be able to trade it in for anything better than a glorfindar.

pocketing*

I hate the nutella/MP interactions with every fiber of my being.

There are like 20 different possibilities for pocking in each page of it.

If they are both town I'll eat my hat.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:17 pm 112 suspected MP7:

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:30 pm MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

You weren't even online during the night phase.

The two things bothering nutella the most:

The fact we killed a mafioso.

And the fact we have a confirmed civ.

Nutella seems really bothered by town winning this game.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

As much as I hate to admit, this is probably true. Like, you could have pulled that as a gambit but if that's the case you deserve to win lol. I really really really want to think you are bad here because you're being so boneheadedly wrong about me, but I have to take the role thing into account and it just makes a hell of a lot more sense if you're town.



Juliets is bad though trust me. I did my homework.

Why do you hate to admit it?

It's fantastic that we have a confirmed townie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.

Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

Man.

Feels like I've never mindmelded with Jack before this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

I actually agree with this. Either that or the wilgy slot. The secret lynch is basically a vig, in the sense that it doesn't give us many useful reactions from its lynch since they are not posting.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:54 pm I'm absolutely mentally and emotionally obliterated, but I'm here to catch up at least.

Oh, boy...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:42 pm Hmm LC is quite compatible with MR. I could be wrong about him too.

I see it differently, my original case on MR was that he spend 5 posts coming up with new and exciting ways to set himself up to vote LC later.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:39 pm DDL's outdated catchup posts are going to be fun to read

Time for me to catch up more and post less.

I'm still 300+ behind though so imma finish cathing up before I vote.

So anyone wants to lynch the "lololololol lets tie the day 1 poll" crew?

Starting with MP and nutella.

Especially MP, who hopped his vote about 5 times before settling on Sig.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.

Can I still say "I told you so?"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:24 pm

Master Radishes has been assassinated. He was People Who Feel Compelled to be on Tik Tok.

Like those who copy different dance moves, you may steal any person’s role during the Day, but you must use it that Night. You may not elect to refrain from using it. You need the attention. You will die without the attention.

You are mafia.

Carry on.

Fucking awesome.

And this is really a scum role. I hate those TikTok pyramid posts.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:28 pm @nutella can you tell me why you're so convinced about Tony? Or point me to where you explained it, if I've just missed it?

When he countered the idea that alex jones would necessarily be anti-town. Suggested to me that he has a town role that isn't obviously flavorfully "good" and definitely seemed like something scum would never say there in any situation.

Okay, just that then?

I get the thought process, but I don't agree it's something scum would never do. If he had been the first person to respond, yeah, but two others had just posted 'scum' and '3P'. There was an opening to say 'town', and it's an amusing and/or contrarian response that's well within Tony's wheelhouse IMO.

I need to ISO him too though, since - DDL may not believe this - I've been wrong on my D1 reads before.

You are awfully personal about this game.

It's silly.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:05 am Feeling a bit better on MR, since the "In Depth Analysis on OMG Why You People Suck" he spent the night making feels more like something a civ would do than a baddie. He seems to be taking it personally. Though to be fair it does seem he'd make that effort even if he was not one of the people being lynched, so whatever.

Not sure where this nutella wagon even came from, it's very sudden.

I'm not super strong on the Hyena case bu I agree him following me on my placeholder poison lynch is bad. Could vote.

What? I don't really care about the poison vote anymore. Hyena following you on the MR vote was bad. Talk to me about that?

It's not great either.

But I have a little voice in my head saying those obviously scummy things Hyena is doing come from a guy we barely know who likes to be quirky instead of a scum player trying to look civ.

Too scummy to be scum, maybe.

TSP is basically absent from the game even if he is posting.

TSP tends to feel like he's playing a parallel game most of the time but I think he interacts more than this?

Could lynch too.

juliets' big moment of scumhunting this game was justifying her vote on Sig after Sig flipped.

I know it's juliets and she doesn't reallly... hunt. But I'm not sure how else we are supposed read her, assuming we can even read her.

Wouldn't mind killing Nanook tbh.

He feels A LITTLE more scumhunting than last game, but the idea of letting Nanook fool me two consecutive times seriously irks me.

I already know the man can fake emotion like a top tier mafia player. I'm not giving him a civ read for cheap.

Feeling a bit better on MR, since the "In Depth Analysis on OMG Why You People Suck" he spent the night making feels more like something a civ would do than a baddie. He seems to be taking it personally. Though to be fair it does seem he'd make that effort even if he was not one of the people being lynched, so whatever.

Not sure where this nutella wagon even came from, it's very sudden.

I'm not super strong on the Hyena case bu I agree him following me on my placeholder poison lynch is bad. Could vote.

Feel bad for the hosts for losing such a cool role on day 1.

Also LOL Sig.

You know this is a good result. If he flips bad I'm closer to winning, if he flips civ I get to make fun of this town for mislynching Sig again.