The Syndicate

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:54 pm Honestly sig is objectively the scummiest still to me but fndanfdafgiajpkao;wfsjmgosgvae

Come on, MP.



Don't resist it.

I haven't even talked about him all day and barely no one did though, so this is dumb.

Tempted to vote Jack just to prevent him from bragging he's unlynchable.

I don't particularly feel nanook

Sig I could lynch but Sig day 1 is.... eh.

Think I'm gonna stay here.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm I don't like DDL asking me to elaborate on reads I've given.

Why?

I'm not even asking you to elaborate, I'm asking you to say if you think MR is good or bad.

Cuz you said both in quick succession and then "I was joking" so I don't even know which one was the joke.

I have no idea what 112 is thinking or saying or doing.

Is she always that unescrutable?

Nutella is kind of tricky to put a finger on.

At start, she felt like the genuine waffly ball I'm used to. But then she started going viscerally against me all day, in my town reads, scum reads and my own alignment. This risks clouding my perspective.

I think I can kind of udnerstand what is causing this, though. Nutella is one of the people in this site whose playstyle approaches mine the most. I think she was expecting to mindmeld with me, and in failing to do so, decided it's because I'm bad.

I think this is an unfair way to judge me though. Just because I play like nutella does doesn't mean I'll arrive at the same conclusions as she does. In fact, I recall the opposite happening way more often. Usually nutella is this waffly ball that is saying things I don't really agree with, even if I believe she believes in them.

Well, either that or she is bad and I let my empathy trick me into trusting her. Whatever.

Though this is just an hypothesis, because so far you haven't even begun to try to control the thread the way Jay does, even when he's bad. You posted a lot, then had a meltdown and now are kind of lost, I think.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:13 pm I... need to be head out again, but I'll be back and will try to be less posty next time while still actively solving, and I do apologize for bringing the thread down and not better solving because this has been a not great start.

Personally I'd rather you continue to post like crazy. I'm probably going to skim it but it's nice to get a good fell of the posts.

I'm trying to see if I can read you the way I read Jay, which is checking if he is actually controlling the direction of the thread or just doing busywork.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:38 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I still think he's mildly suspicious tbh, but he is actively contributing and I want to pressure elsewhere before this EoD.

What else you got?

Nothing I particularly feel like lynching, tbh.

Just a few civ reads I already mentioned. Nutella, 112 and I guess speedchuck.

Solving by POE is of course a thing. Is there anyone else you'd prefer not to lynch against the field?

I'm not taking notes. I guess Hyena is fine? Nanook looks a little better than in the game he was scum too, but not much.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:11 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:02 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:40 pm "MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now."

This is also just... I can't even. It's like he still doesn't know how I play this game all these years later.

I can't speak for others but I couldn't describe your playstyle if you pointed a gun to my head, other than with "posts a lot". You stopped playing not along after I started playing here.

Maybe I'm just an idiot and expect too much of people then.

There are people who know you from way back than 2015, though. Maybe they could describe you better.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:43 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:38 am DrWigly's entrance was fishy and I agree with Nute's quick wit about calling him on it.

Hyena is a tricky player but I think is deserving of the benefit of the doubt at least until LyLo (or later this round, your call).

Hey 112, I believe I spoke to Wilgy and said his NAI entrance is always something like "I'm (not) a doctor / X and whatever", so can you talk to me about why you think it was fishy if there is a point otherwise?

mostly i didn't like his tone lol

that's all i go by when i don't have meta on page 1

i didn't think anything of you saying his normal entrance has something to do with being a doctor or not

I still don't know if you were joking about trusting or suspecting MR.

Where do you stand on him right now? Please elaborate with at least 20 words.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:38 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:36 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 am So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

Would you say that's different than LC normally?

Not sure yet. LC eventually becomes more engaging, maybe he will get there, maybe it's still to soon for it. He is not my favorite lynch target though, just was the one I had some feeling about wanting to lynch this morning, but now I'm feeling MR more.

Imo he's been a hell of a lot more engaging than you, lol. At least until you got more involved today.

Hypocrisy is a staple of the town's playbook.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:03 pm Also his read of me and 112 is fake af. Like. That cannot be a real take.

I don't recall even explaining the take tbh.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:02 pm My point is, if MP is scum, he'll be dangerous if we don't catch him early and nip the powerwolf potential in the bud. Yes, it could be argued that if I turn out to be wrong it's a net worse loss for thread productivity, but if we don't solve his slot I'll be nervous about it all game and I just know that nobody else will be on board with it after a point. It's a... sacrifice I'm willing to make.

You can always count on me to consider starting a surprise MP lynch later on, if he becomes suspicious. I don't cultivate townreads permanently.

The key is later on, though. I don't want to lynch someone as fun as MP on day fucking 1, after not playing with him for 4 years.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:40 pm "MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now."

This is also just... I can't even. It's like he still doesn't know how I play this game all these years later.

I can't speak for others but I couldn't describe your playstyle if you pointed a gun to my head, other than with "posts a lot". You stopped playing not along after I started playing here.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:39 pm Now I know sig is one of the most often mislynched players on our site, but let's talk about this post some more:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:38 pm Not a fan of Nanook/Nutella interaction. But, on their own they're Null.
Radish is my first civ lean, not only was his joke funny, but he doesn't seem bad.
Speed seems okay.
MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now.
Hyena seems so excited that it's tiring.
Juliet seems like her normal self
LC is a bit off, which probably means he's civ.
112, DDL, Wilgy no clue.
TSP is a gut ping.

I just did a quick skim will probably dig in a bit more later tonight.

linki: Heeeeey

What do people think of this? Is it a reasonable set of perceptions based on thread happenings?

It feels kind of unimpressive.

I expect Sig to start unleashing crazy tinfoil theories at some point.

If he fails to, lynch him.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:38 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I still think he's mildly suspicious tbh, but he is actively contributing and I want to pressure elsewhere before this EoD.

What else you got?

Nothing I particularly feel like lynching, tbh.

Just a few civ reads I already mentioned. Nutella, 112 and I guess speedchuck.

How about me?

You lean civ so far but not strongly.

You post a lot, say interesting things, but I tend to second guess myself when someone seems too likable.

You are basically Turnip Head, and it takes a while for me to form an opinion on Turnip Head.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I still think he's mildly suspicious tbh, but he is actively contributing and I want to pressure elsewhere before this EoD.

What else you got?

Nothing I particularly feel like lynching, tbh.

Just a few civ reads I already mentioned. Nutella, 112 and I guess speedchuck.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 am So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

Would you say that's different than LC normally?

Not sure yet. LC eventually becomes more engaging, maybe he will get there, maybe it's still to soon for it. He is not my favorite lynch target though, just was the one I had some feeling about wanting to lynch this morning, but now I'm feeling MR more.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

No. I don't like this coming from you. I thought we had similar styles and you understood the concept of uncertainty in reads. This is a really, really, really bad look on you.

There's uncertainity in reads and there is a string of 3 posts that could be interpreted as both reading LC good or bad. If you are uncertain, be clear about your uncertainity, don't use misleading language.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

Which one wasn't serious, the townread or the vote?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

You play however you want.

I'll just vote you if I don't like it.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I wasn't expecting this.

You went from early MR accuser to biggest MR defender and now back to voting him. What changed?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:09 pm And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

To be fair he did the same thing in the other game I played with him. Where, admitelly, he was bad. But it seemed like he as being honest about his opinion on scumhunting.

Nanook doesn't believe in scumhunting early game. He would rather spend the first few days meme'ing and spamming the thread until some scum randomly dies, where he will then employ hard logic and wagonomics to puzzle who the remaining scum is.

I expect him to start yelling at us for not following his specific wagonomics strategy about... 3 days from now.

There is also a 50% chance he will yell at me in a few minutes for not being accurate enough in my description of his thought proccess. He tends to be touchy about that too.

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:52 pm Actually I just need the energy to get up from the couch and go to my PC ake some quotes, cuz I already know who I wanna vote for.

vote first quote later? :P

In the Syndicate? Are you insane?

I'll come here an hour later to 3 votes on me and 5 notifications asking me to explain it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:49 pm

I don’t really feel like I know his game as either alignment tbh but I do really dislike his Jules push. It’s just...bad. Pushing people for how they normally play is one of my pet peeves though so idk.

You just watched me play a very distinctive scumgame sir. Is it my town game you're missing?

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

Actually I just need the energy to get up from the couch and go to my PC ake some quotes, cuz I already know who I wanna vote for.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:09 pm No reason to kill the slot just for not showing up, he probably didnt know it started, and replacements happen when needed so I will just give it time. Besides if we want to angleshoot, there's the argument that if he had a scum team he'd be more likely prodded to join the thread.

Agree.

Need to find somewhere else to place my vote now.

Someone sell me on TSP cuz I haven't seen anything more than the usual TSP.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 am [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

I think his exhaustion is more likely due to rolling mafia than anything else. He says he's not as interested and doesn't know why he signed up, which in my experience is more of a wolf tell than a town one.

He also threw his vote away one someone I'm not sure has posted.

You should be sure, because I said the person hasn't posted in the same post where I made the vote.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:20 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:08 am Nanook is playing pretty much exactly how he did last game where he was my strongest town read but turned out to be scum.

Which may say less about him and more about my lack of ability to read him, tbh.

DDL which game was that? Nanook seems the same to me as the other games I've played with him where he's been civ but I don't think I've ever seen scum Nanook.

The Wire.

Also I suppose I gotta leave this MP joke wagon before someone tries to turn it into a real one.

[VOTE: Poison Chan] aubergine

Placeholder on non poster.

So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

Ok I'm caught up

Sorry for disappearing but truth is I'm pretty much retired from mafia rn so the idea of putting a lot of effort in it makes me want to cry inside. Not sure why I signed up.

But I did sign up and you guys are making this worthwhile by making a gazillion hilarious post, so I guess I'll try to at least stay caught up.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

Why does this feel like angle shooting

Nanook is playing pretty much exactly how he did last game where he was my strongest town read but turned out to be scum.

Which may say less about him and more about my lack of ability to read him, tbh.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:43 pm Spew is one of those things that Serious Mafia Players talk about as if it’s meaningful.

It isn’t.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this post but I love it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:02 pm WTF is "stilted"?

I love how people are asking those questions so I don't feel like it's my vocabulary being limited it's just that people are being fancier than usual with words.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:39 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 am Voting MP7 cuz who knows when the next chance to do that will be

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

DDL, I don't understand this vote. Is there any further explanation?

It's a joke.

Voting MP7 cuz who knows when the next chance to do that will be

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Hi.

No Day 0 is kind of weird.