The Syndicate

Guys, are you still sending evolution votes?

I was wondering if we could try to reveal who we voted for all game, and maybe try to use that to analyse each other.

Just an idea.

I can't either.

DDL
Boo
Wilgy
Gman
Quin
Neverwhere

That is the Inkay/Malamar rainbow list. The Mewtwo rainbow list is a work in progress.

Sounds like a plan.

*votes dizzy*

Night.

I need to save myself and Never doesn't seem like shes going anywhere.

But I think Gman is not mafia (maybe Mewtwo tho)

But following Dizzy's unexplained vote on Quin makes me feel dead inside.

What do I do

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:30 pm I'm expressing surprise at the notion that we may all actually vote finally. This game has been nightmare.

Also, Golden the Coward subbed into Economics and hit the ground running. His tenacity to read and understand made him seem good when we were trying to find the last baddie- him. Hitting a game mid-stream is great cover for a baddie because it takes forever to build up the kind of content required for people to form opinions about you. You also get the benefit of the doubt because you have to catch up on a deeper level. In other words, you may have earned a seat on the back burner as a baddie. By the time I caught on to Golden the Coward, we had maybe 10 minutes left to vote and I had posted in pics and memes all game, so I got lynched at Lylo and the baddies won.

To be fair my plan was to lynch you, then Golden (though I had a tinfoil suspicion on Jay I was struggling to fight)

But civs decided to lynch sanmateo, then you. And while I was reading sanmateo as civ and would have tried to protect him, Golden the Coward killed me in the previous night.

Golden the Coward

Holy shit that settles it.

*votes Quin*

(justkddnnp)

Boo, stop being 2015 me ffs.

The problem isn't that interaction. It's the lack of it before DF's first lynch.

Theres a guy at my other site called Nevermind, so don't mind if I call her that sometimes.

Guys what do you think of my case on Nevermind? So far only Never herself has talked about it.

I want to know why she voted for Quin.

Pride*

It's hard for someone to convince me that I'm wrong, but once they do (or when I realize it myself) I'm very quick to admit the mistake. That's why I'm always apologizing.

Proud is pointless when you know reality doesn't support your opinion.

Nutella's quote is indeed very specific.

Everything is wifom. That is why scumhunting is so hard. But someone intentionally using wifom arguments makes me sus.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:36 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:31 am
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:19 am I voted for Faraday the first time, I was not opposed to a Faraday lynch at all.

Also, if I were mafia this would be really shitty playing on my part. I went back and looked at the posts, I hadn't set out with intent to lynch anyone in particular,I just read the posts and looked at what they said. If I were mafia it would be pretty stupid of me to read your posts accusing me and then go after you so hard. That does nothing but draw attention to myself and make me look guilty.

If I were mafia it would make much more sense for me to post less, be subtle and go for someone other than you especially since no one really commented a whole lot on me after you made the posts accusing me.

It just doesn't make any sense. I am not the mafia.
That is a lot of wifom.
What is wifom?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

Basically any argument based on "would I do this if I were bad". Its hard to believe because you could do it just to be able to say that.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:19 am I voted for Faraday the first time, I was not opposed to a Faraday lynch at all.

Also, if I were mafia this would be really shitty playing on my part. I went back and looked at the posts, I hadn't set out with intent to lynch anyone in particular,I just read the posts and looked at what they said. If I were mafia it would be pretty stupid of me to read your posts accusing me and then go after you so hard. That does nothing but draw attention to myself and make me look guilty.

If I were mafia it would make much more sense for me to post less, be subtle and go for someone other than you especially since no one really commented a whole lot on me after you made the posts accusing me.

It just doesn't make any sense. I am not the mafia.

That is a lot of wifom.

Wilgy still looks good to me. His frustration at us not lynching Dizzy felt sincere.

Gman is hard to read, but that was that evolution slip, which felt honest rather than a master gambit. So he is either a normal type like he implied, or one of the Mews.

I believe our Malamar is either Never, Dizzy or Quin.

You say you were not opposed to lynching DF, but your actions indicate otherwise.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:42 am Also, we're talking about different things. Instead of in any way defending yourself, you're NO U ing. Badsville.

NO U did a "NO U" first. I said the votes made you look bad and you proceeded to vote me.

This was the first time DF ever mentioned, interacted with, or acknowledged the existance of Neverwhere.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:02 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:40 am I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

Voting me is not going to accomplish anything. It won't help the civ cause. If you're looking for the baddies, I'm thinking it's Wilgy and Neverwhere.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:05 am MOOOOOOOOM, LC broke the siiiiiite.

Gman's notes brought me back to these lists.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:40 pm If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like
Everyone above, has your list from before changed? how has it changed? has it narrowed down or widened? why?

DDL, DF, Hazelnut, you had all 3 chosen Gman. Why G-man in specific.

Sprityo, in regards to your list specifically, you and Jack were the only ones to list me. Why did you choose me? beyond that of "he's a doctor?" Am I still on that list? Why did you choose Dom and Mac as one only posted today, and the other is still out?

There are more players that I no idea what to think than players who I have thoughts on. I'd say the null and void atm are DF, Dom, Eloh, G-Man, Mac, Neverwhere, Sprit and Tink. From all of you, can you let me know which player you find the most interesting, and why?

And for now...

Adios muchachos.
He calls his view on Neverwhere "null and void" in this post. Later that day:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:18 pm
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:39 pmDr. Wigly pings me off a bit too. He seems helpful, but fishes for a lot of information and asks a lot of questions without giving much of his own opinion sometimes. I think he just reminds me a lot of me when I've been scum.
I like this. Information gain without use is just fluff, even if it brings discussion.

If you want my opinion, feel free to ask me. I'm at a point where I have too many nulls. These nulls make it hard for me to judge the active players.
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm If you all had to choose between the following five people for today's lynch, who would you vote for? Right now, I'm wavering between two of them, possibly a third.

-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink
Tink.
Here Wilgy commends Neverwhere for calling out Wilgy's commenting without really contributing. Incidentally, Wilgy doesn't actually address the concern, and in addition Neverwhere herself ends up playing that very way later in that game.

They then later both vote Eloh, but then after the lynch Neverwhere comments:

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:23 pm Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.
Could have just meant scum, could be a slip.

And then just recently there's this odd little exchange.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:26 pm It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.
Is he immortal in your head Quin?
Why poking fun?
A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.
Add to all of the above Wilgy's suspicious behavior on the day of Sprityo's lynch, his continued insistence on voting low posters except when it's convenient not to, and Neverwhere leaning really, really heavily on the newbie card, and I believe those are the baddies.

This was right after he survived the first lynch attempt.

If we are looking for a pattern, he also avoided Sprit like a plague.

Votes neverwhere.

I don't need to wait for you to post anything in order to look at the votes and say they make you look bad.

Your posts are a lesser piece of evidence compared to vote analysis.

boo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:33 pm I think I have to go ddl. I have never felt good about him, and I was trying to bait the kill to go after him, me, or Tink. If it was me or Tink, my thinking was it'd look bad on him. So... It's an entire gut feeling. I'm not loving it, and I could easily be swayed on switching it, but I just want to get it in, because I expect we might see the last baddie have a card left to play, and I don't want them or mewtwo doing something sneaky that goes unopposed.

Maybe mafia doesn't follow your advice on who to kill?

I have been on the suspect list of half the players for the whole game. While Tink is being called civ by most people for a long time. I think she is a better choice than me.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:00 am Well, I did attempt some helpful posts. It would be more helpful if people could give me some feedback on them. I said pretty much similar to Gman. I like that DDL didn't even acknowledge them either.

I suppose that is just how useless everyone has been viewing me all game lol.

I'm putting my vote on DDL for now.

I said that the last lynch made you look suspicious. That's it.

I shouldn't have to add a "but she made some helpful posts" every time I do that.

Specially since it's not hard for a baddie to do that. Sprityo and DF have made.a lot of helpful posts.

Or Mewtwo.

What is mean is, you are the same as nutella. Did your job, led a lynch on mafia, and died like a soldier. Congrats. MKaybe you get to live another night or maybe they save you till lylo, but you are not leaving the same by lynch unless we somehow decide this was some epic act of bussing from your part.

boo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:15 pm Gee, you jerks want to quit saying you have no interest in lynching me? With how uncreative these NKs have been, you're covering me in bright red paint with this stuff.

Or I'm baiting the baddie into targeting me cause you ain't gonna get me anyways?

Or it's the first and also the second?

Or neither?

Anyone else want some wine, drinking all alone is lonely.

Honestly if mafia needs to be reminded to kill you in the night, they are not paying attention. You are the most civ player in this game by a mile. That isn't even a matter of read, you were gunning for DF for like 3 days.

I like wine.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:16 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:48 am Lol, I gave DF at least one point thingy. Maybe two, don't remember. >_>

Town VIP. NÆT.
Does Epi ever use jesters in his games?

Because this is ridiculous.

If you are busy at least say so, but what you are doing is tasteless and downright disrespectful to the people playing the game.
Um. Sorry. I don't mean to be disrespectful. I think it was obvious that I'm extremely busy.

It's cool. I think I overreacted a little too. Sorry.

I'm not lynching Boo unless it's lylo with three players and the other one is a revived civ.

I just lost a match to a Minimize, Z-Stockpile Muk who used Power of Alchemy to copy boosts from its Moody Smeargle partner.

The sky is the limit for trolling in this game.

If I was making a pokemon mafia game I'd go wild with abilities. Some of them are so trollish.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:48 am Lol, I gave DF at least one point thingy. Maybe two, don't remember. >_>

Town VIP. NÆT.

Does Epi ever use jesters in his games?

Because this is ridiculous.

If you are busy at least say so, but what you are doing is tasteless and downright disrespectful to the people playing the game.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:24 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.
Add this to the list of people who looked bad last night.

Specially since in the previous night, Quin was the last one to vote DF.
And DF didn't die. An unnecessary aversion to lynching a teammate if I'm bad.

Sorry, you didn't get it.

The post I quoted was the reason you are suspicious.

The last sentence I wrote was to defuse any possible "but I voted DF!" argument.

If you are bad, voting DF then is a pretty meaningless act. It doesn't help you but neither costs you anything.

boo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:09 am Ddl and tink are the only two I'll add to ruling out beyond myself. But even for them... I dunno. The fact there's no obvious action from the indie makes me say it isn't an LMS, but I have no idea what to expect for that win con, and I don't know if it's at odds with the civs. I'd rather hunt down the last baddie and see if that ends it though, for sure. If it doesn't... I'd come back to them. But for now.

What if

It's an LMS and they can only kill if all mafia are eliminated.

Ive seen this before in a game from Epi.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.

Add this to the list of people who looked bad last night.

Specially since in the previous night, Quin was the last one to vote DF.

Though Gastly vs Meowth is more like a neutral one since they are immune to each other. Maybe scratch that one.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:53 pm I've got a question for DDL, since he's knowledgeable in Pokemon. You theorized that the types might somehow determine tiebreakers in lynches. Check your fancy Poke-Chart and tell me if this jives.

On Day 1, three people tied for first place. They were Jack, Tony, and Timmer. Tony was lynched and flipped Gible. Jack flipped Charmander and Timmer flipped Bulbasaur.

If you put Gible, Charmander, and Bulbasaur together in Thunderdome, does Gible lose?

Also, on Day 2, Timmer and Boo were tied. Timmer was Bulbasaur. The following base Pokemon are still alive (though some have probably evolved by now): Pidgey, Snover, Torchic, Igglybuff, Riolu, Mew, Inkay, Gastly, Mewtwo. Assuming Boo was still his base Pokemon at the time, which of those base Pokemon could have beaten Bulbasaur?

Apply the same scenario to Day 3 when we got Sprityo. Sprityo was Meowth. He tied with Tink and lost. Which of the base Pokemon left could have beaten Meowth?

Actually what I was theorizing was that types could affect how abilities worked on each player. Dont remember the tiebreaker thing. Though it is an interesting idea.

(And I know that whole chart by memory, no need to check

)

As for the questions:

Gible beats Charmander. Charmander beats Bulbasaur. Gible ties with Bulbasaur. So I'd bet on Gible winning.

All of those except Igglybuff (grass kind of sucks)

Torchic, Riolu, Gastly.

Or is this Trance something other than an ability name.

Havent watched the anime in ages...

Tink wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:57 am When Inkay evolves, he's very powerful and he basically can trance people to do what he wants, like maybe stop people from lynching him.

Id be more worried if his ability was Contrary, not Trance.

I can think of a lot of powerful ways Id interpret that one.

Never did vote for DF in the previous night tho.

But where they already expecting to have DF survive the lynch? That is critical here.

If Wilgy is a civ, Gman and Never look terrible from the last lynch.

I want to lynch Never.

Also holy shit Gengar. Mafia surely has been feeding each other powers.

I spent the day on an anime festival. Might be able to catch up and think about the game before the day is over but don't count on it.

Gonna start where I was last time.

DF.

I believe in being practical.

Well it does look like DF wasn't defending himself that hard.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:40 am Guys

Vote me plz
Y tho?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:49 amOr we have a civ governor who made a terrible decision.
Explain.

Because I want to evolve.

Because we learned nothing and gave mafia an extra night kill.

Imo someone surviving a lynch just makes them more likely bad.

Unless it's a civ role that passively tanks a lynch, which is possible but pretty op.

Or we have a civ governor who made a terrible decision.

Guys

Vote me plz

(I'm kind of sounding arrogant here but I'm just really amazed no one has noticed this post from DF before)

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