The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:56 pm (I get the impression he's a 11-20 year old given he's DDL's kid, right?)

wat

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:15 pm I think we should do another GTH reading thing next time we have enough people around

Did we even use the last GTH for anything? Serious question.

And this is not just salt because I posted my GTH reads and got royally ignored by all the people who asked for them (though it also is). It's also my observation that the one starting the GTH exercise was MP. Is it an actual attempt at catching baddies or is it just smokescreen?

I'm here, still alive. Imma catch up now.

I just gotta say, Speed looks good to me because he is having me as his top civ read despite my craptastic vote tracking. I feel like if he was bad he would be slowly preparing to lynch me or something like that.

Actually you know what, I was suspecting Quin after the lynch and I see people wanna lynch him so I'll just sheep on that.

Later.

I'm here but I'm mega tired after traveling 800 km in two days.

I'll refrain from voting unless I need to vote to avoid being lynched. I don't trust my head to make hard decisions now.

Oh Monday and Tuesday will also be mega busy to me so apology if I fail to catch up and vote. I'll be back on Day 4.

Thing is, I've been playing 3 games at once the past few days and this one is #3 in order of priority, due to first come first serve.

So I have very little idea what's going on. It's just not in my mind.

i'm just posting my thoughts as they come.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:44 pm Right now I'm leaning on you being bad, mainly because how you both were taking your sweet time to vote for each other.
What scared you about that on Day 1?

You mean what made me vote wilgy?

I was thinking if one of you were bad they'd be more eager to save their skin instead of dinding the truth.

But I wasn't considering the scenario where you were both bad at the time.

However...

After I l started the Wilgy wagon you had zero votes, so maybe I'm being unfair to you since you didnt need a survival vote.

Right now I'm leaning on you being bad, mainly because how you both were taking your sweet time to vote for each other.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm Nice job! I knew my original paranoia was right. :P

I think this clears quite a few players and I think this sets up tomorrow's kybxh very nicely. I'd think quin due to mp refusing to lynch vote him and vice versa, this also pretty much clears LC and daisy into

It could make sense if we consider we now know MP's ISO on Quin was staged. Maybe he wanted to look like he was suspecting Quin before jumping on someone else, as he did (went went to an OMGUS on me very fast).

Tho maybe he also wanted to make the vote look more natural as I theorized at the time.

First paragraph means Quin is bad, second one means hes civ, in case it isn't obvious.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:54 pm Baddies are probably dunya, LC, and Daisy, I guess? I wish I had more time to play this cycle. Sorry to let you all down.

Bro you just defended your dissertation thingy. You are a winner. If you can't do other things because of that, it's fine. Relax, and rest, so you can come and play another day.

Ok I'm still not feeling great about this but between the options who already have a vote I think she's the best one. Also I have a headache right now so I don't want to ISO more people, sorry.

votes dunya

Dunya I see you said you read me as scum. But early on Day 1 you said I was a civ. What caused the change? Just the Wilgy vote?

Also kind of agree with Daisy on dunya apologizing for MP vote. Same point I made about chuck.

Ok I'm generally feeling good but Dunya's posts but I'm pinged that she came and started buddying me on my suspicion of MP and repeating the same arguments as me without actually voting for MP herself. Reeks of bandwagoning.

Someone sell me on this dunya case. I've been reading her very neutrally since day 1 and I'd like to form an opinion.

Ima go ISO her too.

So if we assume the theory that someone tried to save someone, the only one I could see being saved was MP, because he was the one leading anything by the point of the Wilgy lynch.

That's if the save theory actually holds ground tho. Personally I liked MP's reaction to being voted so I don't want to lynch him. If he wants out, I'd like him to be replaced instead. Assuming we have replacements for him and the other 2 inactives.

I think I'll reread the day end and see if I missed anything.

LC - NL (NL - 1)
MP - LC (NL - 1, LC - 1)
Speedchuck - dunya (NL - 1, LC - 1, dunya 1)
Quin- NL (NL - 2, LC - 1, dunya 1)
LC - DDL (NL - 1, LC - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
MP - DrWilgy (NL - 1, wilgy - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
MP - Daisy (NL - 1, daisy - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
speedchuck - Sig (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1)
DDL - Sig (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 2, DDL 1)
DDL - Quin (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, Quin 1)
MP - Kylemii (NL - 1, kyle - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, Quin 1)
Dr WIlgy - MP (NL - 1, kyle - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 1, Quin 1)
MP - NewTraditions (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 1, Quin 1)
Kyle - MP (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 2, Quin 1)
LC - MP (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1)
MP - NL (NL - 2, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1)
MP - Quin (NL - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 2)
MP - DDL (NL - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1, DDL 1)
Quin - MP (Sig 1, MP 4, Quin 1, DDL 1)
DDL - DrWilgy (Sig 1, MP 4, Wilgy 1, DDL 1)
speedchuck - wilgy (MP 4, Wilgy 2, DDL 1)
Quin - wilgy (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 1)
SD - DDL (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 2)
Quin - Dunya (MP 3, Wilgy 2, DDL 2, Dunya 1)
Quin - Wilgy (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 2)
Dr. Wilgy - DDL (MP 2, Wilgy 3, DDL 3)
Late and didn't count:
MP - Wilgy (MP 2, Wilgy 4, DDL 2)

Partial vote tally after each vote.

Missing dunyavotes and who knows who else's.

Correct me if I got anything wrong because this one is pretty easy to get wrong.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:04 pm Something that bugged me about the last day phase was the way MP was acting so panicked about getting lynched when he was in 2nd place to Quin

Something that bugged me part 2: was the way Quin pushed me to explain the ping of suspicion towards him and then Speedchuck used that as the definitive reference to discredit the case against Quin

He was leading the lynch when he came online. Also he had a zillion pages to catch up. So it makes sense if he was panicked.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:38 pm It's not the first time MP's pressure vote for Daisy has been called into question. The same thing that happened in this thread happened in another game (though to a lesser extent) in The Search for Quin. It was pretty well established in that game that pressure votes between them don't carry much weight, since significant others should well know eachother's availability. Yet he does it anyway here. While he had a back and forth about it with her in TSFQ, he doesn't respond in this game. I could see a baddie MP trying to cover his bases on Day 1 like this.

One thing that I've noticed is that arguing with MP over the point of applying his methods is futile. He is strongly believer in the more info = better reads concept, which I partially agree with. So he will put pressure votes in hopes of obtaining anything no matter how meaningful or meaningless it might be. And he did obtrain an angry reaction from Daisy, so it's not like the exercise was futile (what that reaction means is another story).

So I've been playing 3 games at once which means I put this one in the fridge. Will catch up now.

(though there doesn't seen to be many posts to catch up on)

I also have had a bad experience with CFDs in general, but I decided to do one for a change just to see if it could change my mind.

I remain more unconvinced than ever on CFDs.

first you apologize then after you try to give some reasoning, I also find it pingy for why you explain your CFD

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can feel bad for something but also explain my thought proccess so the people suspecting me for it know there is an explanation for it other than "DDL was bad and decided to get a civvie lynched".

Also my reason for it was half assed, and I don't deny it. With 10 minutes left and I being late for my dancing class, I decided to lynch someone at random. I just wanted to stop the lynches on MP and Quin which I wasn't happy with. My reason for suspecting MP was a huge tinfoil and the one for lynching Quin was one I was not exactly confident about two days later.

In retrospect, I maybe should have accepted it was Day 1 and took the risk with the Quin lynch, but hindsight is 20/20.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:58 pm
If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

That isn't my point. The point is that you were discussing whether you were feeling bad or not about Wilgy's flip even though he hadn't flipped yet.

Granted a lot of people did that and some of them are probably civ. But yours called the most of my attention, specially since you voted for him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:04 pm Thank you so much

I'm eating dinner but when I get back I'll get to work

Linki, DDL just give your thoughts on everyone

Ok.

Gonna try to write in a burst to make it natural. I don't actually have reads on half these people but I guess this is the point.

Dragon D. Luffy - CIV
dunya - CIV
Kylemii - CIV
Long Con - CIV
MovingPictures07 - CIV
NewTraditionalist - CIV
Quin - BAD
sig - CIV
Spacedaisy - BAD
SpankGangsta - BAD
speedchuck - BAD

Ok looks like I'm not part of the conversation so I'm coming back later.

Cya.

I think Speed voted after me, yes.

And the WIlgy one is the one where I mentioned the CFD

Didn't people invite me to a GTH?

I voted Sig > Quin > Wilgy

I don't have actual reads on half the people but I guess that's the point of it.

Ok I'll do the GTH thingy.

How do I do it? SOmeone asks me questions?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...

Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)

This is one hell of an apologizing when Wilgy hasnt flipped.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

What is a TMI

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:29 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)
Want to post a list of GTH reads for us?

Once I catch up because now I'm 5 pages behind.

Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

Beats me.

Im going to dancing classes now. Later.

Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

My time is up.

I'm sticking to Quin.

Not nearly as sure about it as I'd like, but this is day 1. Whatever.

I'm getting another dejavu. This isn't the first time I suspect MP out of no fucking where and he flips. I should remember for the future that this can happen.

If it helps you, I don't have any idea what i'm doing right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:14 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.
can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?
He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.
For all it's worth I'm actually reading LC as moderate civ now.
I'm sorry to ask all these questions if they're answered elsewhere, but what was your reasoning for this?

Gut feeling.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am I see nothing wrong with the cop claiming when they've got a red check. Why wouldn't they claim? I'd also like to add in if the watcher targets a player who ends up targeting someone who dies they should also claim it. We might have lost a powerful civ role, but one civ is worth one mafia member no matter what power the civ has.
One cop is more valuable than just "one civ".

Either way, I don't want to argue this. I'm more interested in the fact you are trying to get the cop to clim early rather than later. Mafia's #1 priority should be to find the cop, assuming there is one, so this is line with what mafia would want.
Nevermind, I presume this was your beef with sig.

Why does this behavior make you think sig was bad, though? I'm not seeing that and it's mildly concerning/confusing.

Isn't it explained? Mafia wants to find the cop. I saw it as a manipulative way to get the cop to claim.

But later I decided I was kind of tinfoiling and I have mislynched Sig before for saying stuff like this, so I backed away.

I feel better after seeing you try to CFD me. It's risky as fuck.

I think i'll stay on Quin.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

@Long Con What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?
I won't say I necessarily agree or disagree with it but I certainly don't like you asking the cop to claim.

I won't keep arguing, I've already made my point., I want to see what happens in the next half hour.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:11 pm I don't do post by post analysis anymore. I used to do it, then I lost 7 consecutive games as a civ in the Syndicate. It taught me where my strengths lie, and it's not at dissecting someone's ISO like a science project. I prefer to try to spot one little detail everybody is missing.
You're not me. I determined this to be the most fruitful use of my limited time. If you have a reason to think I'm being opportunistic, state it, otherwise, frankly, you're wasting my time and I'm done engaging you on this. My life is on the line and you're him-hawing suspicion of me but not giving me anything to work with. Either get in my face or out of my way.

Sorry the post was a stream of thought I didn't explain well.

I'm just saying I'm not paying much attention to what you are saying about Quin, specifically. Because everything is subjective and honestly believing it or not is like flipping a coin.

I'm suspicious of the fact, the coincidence, of you coming here with one hour left, ISOing the guy you have to vote for, and slowly deciding he is bad. It seems artificial.

Also I suspected him because he spent such a long time arguing about fake claiming it looked like blending.

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